exactly. these clips are an example of staggering regression this year vs last year despite improved talent on the OL and it is staggering. Shurmur has more problems than he can solve and the entire team must see how futile his efforts are.
These aren't even cherry picked plays over an entire game, which can happen to any team probably, they are the first freaking series and as basic as it gets.
on the opening series without picking up 5 yards. It's embarrassing.
I thought prior to the 3rd down play that Pat is a fool if they turn around and hand off as opposed to a QB sneak to get the 3/4 of a yard necessary. Pat instead tried to fool GB (or orchestrate a mismatch) with a 3 WR package, but Mike Pettine isn't stupid.
Pat is a failure as a coach, a play caller, this, that, and the other.
Base on Zeitler’s stance. His base is so wide and he is probably losing power by doing that.
I've been saying for weeks that someone or something is tipping off when its a run. against the bears safeties were just flying up to the LOS. If i notice it sitting on my fucking couch, how can these freaking morons not self scout and figure out what the tell is. And listen, its not like we can block anything anyway, so it doesnt matter, but for jiminys sake if we could at least fool someone maybe it would result in a big play.
Isn’t it usually the center’s job to call blocking assignments? Â
the coach, on the first day said, we arent running a play until the O line, tight ends, and backs, can recognize the defensive front and know who to block. We did walkthroughs for 3 days before we ever ran a full play. And if you got it wrong after that, you went to the bench until you didnt make any more mistakes. Watching this absolute crap going on week after week is maddening. It's literally blocking and tackling. The simplest form of fucking football.
RE: RE: Also you can tell the first play is a run play Â
Base on Zeitler’s stance. His base is so wide and he is probably losing power by doing that.
I've been saying for weeks that someone or something is tipping off when its a run.
Is it tipping or just being too predictable? When they're under center, they run the ball at the 5th highest percentage in the league. When they're in the shotgun, they pass at the 8th highest percentage in the league. Since they're in the shotgun at the 9th highest percentage in the league, it seems pretty easy to figure out.
anyone is ripping into these guys "in the room" during film sessions?
I mean - you're right - it's unwatchable and it's simple stuff. It's not like we're talking about traps and counters and some of the more tricky OL stuff.
It's literally picking the right guy and standing in front of them.
Halapio has absolutely no resume to suggest he's an NFL player Â
a real O Line coach is another thing we need. Hunter has players here and they are unprepared to play on game day, plain and simple.
The sad part is Shurmur and Gettlemen love Halapio. Shurmur was an All American Center in college so you would think he would know a good center or a the very least would know a good O Line coach.
This video is the exact opposite of what NYG football should look like. Sad.
RE: To not know what you are doing or who to block at this point of the Â
Last night the Seahawks used another O line guy to block and we use a double tight end and both get their ass’s handed to them. Look at 82 & 83. The Seahawks show run and say stop us. The week before last Cross and Banks on the post game said this exact same thing. Double up and at least get through the first level. We can even get back to the line of scrimmage
The more I believe that the Mara's will clean house, GM and coaching staff. All of it gone.
I think the Mara's hire a proven NFL head coach and new GM and I think they are all in place within say 15 days of the end of the season. I say this because I don't doubt they are already looking and lining up candidates.
Whoever is hired has a good situation:
-plenty of cap space
-ability to cut veterans who didn't fit and create more space
-QB of the future in Daniel Jones as I think he has the tools
-young core to develop
The NY Giants job would be a great gig for the right staff. I hate "starting over from scratch" but sometimes it is a must.
I'm praying we do get the #1 pick somehow and trade down creating more draft choices and/or players even. There is HOPE.
We have idiots on this site that liked "Pio" too Â
Players who played OL for us the last few years are now seemingly doing ok (not great, but serviceable) for other teams and there can be no bigger indictment on our coaching.
This is laughable. I mean seriously VJ 8th grade shit here.
RE: RE: Halapio has absolutely no resume to suggest he's an NFL player Â
but this brain trust has insisted on giving him a scholarship every year to be mediocre.
I think this may be the most damning indictment of both the GM and HC. BOTH kept waxing on and on about how good Halapio is. WTF?!
Smug-ass DG in his January 2018 presser laughing at the media saying, "You're all sleeping on 'Pio. Don't sleep on Pio now. I'm telling you guys." Clown.
RE: The more I see this stuff and read here on BBI Â
The more I believe that the Mara's will clean house, GM and coaching staff. All of it gone.
I think the Mara's hire a proven NFL head coach and new GM and I think they are all in place within say 15 days of the end of the season. I say this because I don't doubt they are already looking and lining up candidates.
Whoever is hired has a good situation:
-plenty of cap space
-ability to cut veterans who didn't fit and create more space
-QB of the future in Daniel Jones as I think he has the tools
-young core to develop
The NY Giants job would be a great gig for the right staff. I hate "starting over from scratch" but sometimes it is a must.
I'm praying we do get the #1 pick somehow and trade down creating more draft choices and/or players even. There is HOPE.
If they need to, allow DG to just step aside "for health reasons" if he needs to save face. Whatever. But let's get on with it already.
but this brain trust has insisted on giving him a scholarship every year to be mediocre.
I think this may be the most damning indictment of both the GM and HC. BOTH kept waxing on and on about how good Halapio is. WTF?!
Smug-ass DG in his January 2018 presser laughing at the media saying, "You're all sleeping on 'Pio. Don't sleep on Pio now. I'm telling you guys." Clown.
Actually -- this is why Shurmur will get fired and Gettleman won't -- Halapio would be a better player and prove Gettleman was right to keep him if he was getting better coaching
Halapio was doing a reasonable job at the beginning of the season
Sy's comments from the Cowboy game
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Jon Halapio has been highly-touted by Pat Shurmur, a former center himself, for a couple years now. And besides one pressure from a very unorthodox stunt where DE DeMarcus Lawrence looped all the way to the center of the line, he was dominant. Halapio was clearing inside running lanes by himself and perhaps the most impressive block of the entire game came from him 10+ yards downfield near the sideline on a screen-type pass to Engram. He tossed his man multiple yards into the air, which allowed another few yards of gain. He was the highest-graded NYG lineman.
Anyone really liking Pio. I remember some fans saying he should be given time to show what kind of a player he is which certainly is reasonable. If anyone was touting Pio on here it was very few
Why is a different question, but to me there is no question that the OL looked more prepared earlier in the season than they do now.
I remember at the beginning of the season being impressed at times with the quality of OL play and feeling like while there was a lot of room to improve, they were no longer a bottom five in the league type of unit.
The errors I'm seeing on the OL now look very similar to the errors seen under every other regime with whatever players here over the years.
Chris Spielman on at least 2 occasions this season has mentioned what a great center Shurmur was. And its the worst position on the team, that tells you something
RE: RE: RE: RE: Halapio has absolutely no resume to suggest he's an NFL player Â
but this brain trust has insisted on giving him a scholarship every year to be mediocre.
I think this may be the most damning indictment of both the GM and HC. BOTH kept waxing on and on about how good Halapio is. WTF?!
Smug-ass DG in his January 2018 presser laughing at the media saying, "You're all sleeping on 'Pio. Don't sleep on Pio now. I'm telling you guys." Clown.
Actually -- this is why Shurmur will get fired and Gettleman won't -- Halapio would be a better player and prove Gettleman was right to keep him if he was getting better coaching
Halapio was doing a reasonable job at the beginning of the season
Sy's comments from the Cowboy game
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Jon Halapio has been highly-touted by Pat Shurmur, a former center himself, for a couple years now. And besides one pressure from a very unorthodox stunt where DE DeMarcus Lawrence looped all the way to the center of the line, he was dominant. Halapio was clearing inside running lanes by himself and perhaps the most impressive block of the entire game came from him 10+ yards downfield near the sideline on a screen-type pass to Engram. He tossed his man multiple yards into the air, which allowed another few yards of gain. He was the highest-graded NYG lineman.
and then from there he went backwards
He likely looked good because in the first two games Eli called the blocking assignments. After Eli got benched Halapio had to do it. Identifying the Mike and calling the blocking assignments is hugely important and Halapio sucks at it.
Anyone really liking Pio. I remember some fans saying he should be given time to show what kind of a player he is which certainly is reasonable. If anyone was touting Pio on here it was very few
There were quite a few who pinned Halapio's injury and exit on a decline in OL performance, and had him penciled in as an upgrade for this year. Apparently, the GM was of like mind.
Taking a flyer on Halapio isn't the end of the world, so long as you have a backup plan. When that backup plan is Pulley, well, you got what you paid for.
Last night the Seahawks used another O line guy to block and we use a double tight end and both get their ass’s handed to them. Look at 82 & 83. The Seahawks show run and say stop us. The week before last Cross and Banks on the post game said this exact same thing. Double up and at least get through the first level. We can even get back to the line of scrimmage
Did you see Simonson get rag-dolled on the first clip in Baldy's Breakdown? To begin with, he didn't know his assignment, but then he comes off the ball tentatively and gets tossed. Didn't stand a chance... not an NFL-caliber player.
Smith actually looked serviceable as a blocker. I'd like to see more of that. To me, he looks like a younger, cheaper, more athletic Rhett Ellison. Smith could make Ellison expendable ($5m total savings).
then its coaching, not talent
then its coaching, not talent
exactly. these clips are an example of staggering regression this year vs last year despite improved talent on the OL and it is staggering. Shurmur has more problems than he can solve and the entire team must see how futile his efforts are.
These aren't even cherry picked plays over an entire game, which can happen to any team probably, they are the first freaking series and as basic as it gets.
I thought prior to the 3rd down play that Pat is a fool if they turn around and hand off as opposed to a QB sneak to get the 3/4 of a yard necessary. Pat instead tried to fool GB (or orchestrate a mismatch) with a 3 WR package, but Mike Pettine isn't stupid.
Pat is a failure as a coach, a play caller, this, that, and the other.
You see more and more of these
Running game coordinators
Passing game coordinators
it might be something more necessary now with the CBA practice time rules...
Saquon says they look great in practice. He could be full of shit, but they're facing the Giants' defense, so they could look like the '88 Niners too.
Well the quote i like more is
"It's hard to watch, its hard to watch"
Oh yeah Baldy, how would feel if you were a fan, or even worse, a season ticket holder......
I've been saying for weeks that someone or something is tipping off when its a run. against the bears safeties were just flying up to the LOS. If i notice it sitting on my fucking couch, how can these freaking morons not self scout and figure out what the tell is. And listen, its not like we can block anything anyway, so it doesnt matter, but for jiminys sake if we could at least fool someone maybe it would result in a big play.
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Base on Zeitler’s stance. His base is so wide and he is probably losing power by doing that.
I've been saying for weeks that someone or something is tipping off when its a run.
Is it tipping or just being too predictable? When they're under center, they run the ball at the 5th highest percentage in the league. When they're in the shotgun, they pass at the 8th highest percentage in the league. Since they're in the shotgun at the 9th highest percentage in the league, it seems pretty easy to figure out.
I mean - you're right - it's unwatchable and it's simple stuff. It's not like we're talking about traps and counters and some of the more tricky OL stuff.
It's literally picking the right guy and standing in front of them.
The sad part is Shurmur and Gettlemen love Halapio. Shurmur was an All American Center in college so you would think he would know a good center or a the very least would know a good O Line coach.
This video is the exact opposite of what NYG football should look like. Sad.
the way I see it is they are getting worse -- that's what's got me all in an uproar - and this is why I blame coaching
Great team you've assembled here, Mara. You should be real proud.
I think this may be the most damning indictment of both the GM and HC. BOTH kept waxing on and on about how good Halapio is. WTF?!
I think the Mara's hire a proven NFL head coach and new GM and I think they are all in place within say 15 days of the end of the season. I say this because I don't doubt they are already looking and lining up candidates.
Whoever is hired has a good situation:
-plenty of cap space
-ability to cut veterans who didn't fit and create more space
-QB of the future in Daniel Jones as I think he has the tools
-young core to develop
The NY Giants job would be a great gig for the right staff. I hate "starting over from scratch" but sometimes it is a must.
I'm praying we do get the #1 pick somehow and trade down creating more draft choices and/or players even. There is HOPE.
This is laughable. I mean seriously VJ 8th grade shit here.
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but this brain trust has insisted on giving him a scholarship every year to be mediocre.
I think this may be the most damning indictment of both the GM and HC. BOTH kept waxing on and on about how good Halapio is. WTF?!
Smug-ass DG in his January 2018 presser laughing at the media saying, "You're all sleeping on 'Pio. Don't sleep on Pio now. I'm telling you guys." Clown.
I think the Mara's hire a proven NFL head coach and new GM and I think they are all in place within say 15 days of the end of the season. I say this because I don't doubt they are already looking and lining up candidates.
Whoever is hired has a good situation:
-plenty of cap space
-ability to cut veterans who didn't fit and create more space
-QB of the future in Daniel Jones as I think he has the tools
-young core to develop
The NY Giants job would be a great gig for the right staff. I hate "starting over from scratch" but sometimes it is a must.
I'm praying we do get the #1 pick somehow and trade down creating more draft choices and/or players even. There is HOPE.
If they need to, allow DG to just step aside "for health reasons" if he needs to save face. Whatever. But let's get on with it already.
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but this brain trust has insisted on giving him a scholarship every year to be mediocre.
I think this may be the most damning indictment of both the GM and HC. BOTH kept waxing on and on about how good Halapio is. WTF?!
Smug-ass DG in his January 2018 presser laughing at the media saying, "You're all sleeping on 'Pio. Don't sleep on Pio now. I'm telling you guys." Clown.
Actually -- this is why Shurmur will get fired and Gettleman won't -- Halapio would be a better player and prove Gettleman was right to keep him if he was getting better coaching
Halapio was doing a reasonable job at the beginning of the season
Sy's comments from the Cowboy game
and then from there he went backwards
then its coaching, not talent
It's both.
Some guys you just cant teach or force them to apply what theyve learned.
I remember at the beginning of the season being impressed at times with the quality of OL play and feeling like while there was a lot of room to improve, they were no longer a bottom five in the league type of unit.
The errors I'm seeing on the OL now look very similar to the errors seen under every other regime with whatever players here over the years.
Maybe the right play was to keep him at RG.
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but this brain trust has insisted on giving him a scholarship every year to be mediocre.
I think this may be the most damning indictment of both the GM and HC. BOTH kept waxing on and on about how good Halapio is. WTF?!
Hey, Shurmur used to play center! Back off!
Chris Spielman on at least 2 occasions this season has mentioned what a great center Shurmur was. And its the worst position on the team, that tells you something
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In comment 14701108 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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but this brain trust has insisted on giving him a scholarship every year to be mediocre.
I think this may be the most damning indictment of both the GM and HC. BOTH kept waxing on and on about how good Halapio is. WTF?!
Smug-ass DG in his January 2018 presser laughing at the media saying, "You're all sleeping on 'Pio. Don't sleep on Pio now. I'm telling you guys." Clown.
Actually -- this is why Shurmur will get fired and Gettleman won't -- Halapio would be a better player and prove Gettleman was right to keep him if he was getting better coaching
Halapio was doing a reasonable job at the beginning of the season
Sy's comments from the Cowboy game
Quote:
Jon Halapio has been highly-touted by Pat Shurmur, a former center himself, for a couple years now. And besides one pressure from a very unorthodox stunt where DE DeMarcus Lawrence looped all the way to the center of the line, he was dominant. Halapio was clearing inside running lanes by himself and perhaps the most impressive block of the entire game came from him 10+ yards downfield near the sideline on a screen-type pass to Engram. He tossed his man multiple yards into the air, which allowed another few yards of gain. He was the highest-graded NYG lineman.
and then from there he went backwards
He likely looked good because in the first two games Eli called the blocking assignments. After Eli got benched Halapio had to do it. Identifying the Mike and calling the blocking assignments is hugely important and Halapio sucks at it.
There were quite a few who pinned Halapio's injury and exit on a decline in OL performance, and had him penciled in as an upgrade for this year. Apparently, the GM was of like mind.
Taking a flyer on Halapio isn't the end of the world, so long as you have a backup plan. When that backup plan is Pulley, well, you got what you paid for.
Did you see Simonson get rag-dolled on the first clip in Baldy's Breakdown? To begin with, he didn't know his assignment, but then he comes off the ball tentatively and gets tossed. Didn't stand a chance... not an NFL-caliber player.
Smith actually looked serviceable as a blocker. I'd like to see more of that. To me, he looks like a younger, cheaper, more athletic Rhett Ellison. Smith could make Ellison expendable ($5m total savings).