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Why I think Shurmur will be back

Josiah31 : 12/3/2019 1:15 pm
Yes, I know, Shurmur has had questionable decisions he has made in the course of games, however, I don’t believe it’s enough to fire him after two seasons. Regardless of what the Giants may have tried having us believe, the fact of the matter is we didn’t have the horses this year. Jones,Slayton, Lawrence, Baker, Ballantine, Love, x man, and Conally before injury all have played major snaps. The rest of the team is mostly 2-3 year players. To expect Shurmur to win even 5 games this year isn’t being honest with our situation. We really can’t say with any certainty that it is Shurmur causing us to lose all these games. It’s more then likely inexperienced players getting in their lumps. This was a 3 year rebuild. First year we had to dismantle a shit show. Give Gettleman another solid draft and some money to spend this offseason and see where we are at. If we suck next year, let’s bust out the guillotine.
Look at Pittsburgh  
Joey in VA : 12/3/2019 1:17 pm : link
They traded A. Brown, let Le'Veon Bell go to the jets and lost Roethlisberger for the season, then his drafted QB backup shits the bed. They then turn to a duck calling champion and still manage to win games. THAT IS COACHING, they are down to their 3rd string QB, Ju Ju has been hurt as has Conner and they still find a way. Shurmur has more than enough to win more than 2 god damn games and he and fat ass can't get it done. They get torched weekly.
I was with you until you said DG is the guy to fix it  
V.I.G. : 12/3/2019 1:18 pm : link
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I agree with Joey  
cjac : 12/3/2019 1:19 pm : link
there is some talent on this team

they are being outcoached week after week.

mostly in the 4th Q
Here's the problem  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/3/2019 1:19 pm : link
I have zero confidence that Shurmur can turn this around -- absolutely zero. If you have conviction I think you have to stick with it.
And the other thing is  
cjac : 12/3/2019 1:20 pm : link
we are going into the 12th game and the team is worse than it was in the 4th game.

if you're going backwards at this point in the season its all on coaching.
They should have beaten  
buddyryansux10 : 12/3/2019 1:20 pm : link
the Cardinals, Lions, Jets and Bears. Those losses were coaching.
The fan base has been very loud  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 12/3/2019 1:21 pm : link
And outspoken, at this point they have no choice.

He’s not the guy to lead this team anywhere!!

Mara’s will not bring him back with all social media being this negative.
Da fuck? What the fuck are you talking about?  
Anakim : 12/3/2019 1:21 pm : link
"We really can’t say with any certainty that it is Shurmur causing us to lose all these games."


Ummm. Clock mismanagement? Wasting challenges? Making the most of inopportune times to call timeouts? Questionable playcalls throughout the game, but ESPECIALLY in the fourth quarter?
Josiah31...  
M.S. : 12/3/2019 1:23 pm : link

...your words:

"This was a 3 year rebuild. First year we had to dismantle a shit show."

One problem:

It turns out that the so-called "shit-show" of Year One that "had to (be) dismantle(d)," is WAY BETTER than Year Two (this season).

That is why Shurmur is gone.

Depend upon it.
You can’t sell this at 7-21  
Sean : 12/3/2019 1:23 pm : link
McAdoo was fired after a 13-15 record, there is no selling a Shurmur return (or Gettleman for that matter).
RE: Look at Pittsburgh  
Josiah31 : 12/3/2019 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14701206 Joey in VA said:
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They traded A. Brown, let Le'Veon Bell go to the jets and lost Roethlisberger for the season, then his drafted QB backup shits the bed. They then turn to a duck calling champion and still manage to win games. THAT IS COACHING, they are down to their 3rd string QB, Ju Ju has been hurt as has Conner and they still find a way. Shurmur has more than enough to win more than 2 god damn games and he and fat ass can't get it done. They get torched weekly.


I think Pittsburg is the exemption and not the rule. It’s certainly not how you would draw it up. Also, we have played 500 more snaps out of rookies then all other teams (including Pit). Pit has more veteran players to overcome the younger players they played as well. We are just very young.
RE: Look at Pittsburgh  
TyreeHelmet : 12/3/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14701206 Joey in VA said:
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They traded A. Brown, let Le'Veon Bell go to the jets and lost Roethlisberger for the season, then his drafted QB backup shits the bed. They then turn to a duck calling champion and still manage to win games. THAT IS COACHING, they are down to their 3rd string QB, Ju Ju has been hurt as has Conner and they still find a way. Shurmur has more than enough to win more than 2 god damn games and he and fat ass can't get it done. They get torched weekly.


Bingo. I'm so sick of the excuses this coach and franchise love putting out there. This team is getting worse not better.
He gets outcoached on a weekly basis  
kinard : 12/3/2019 1:26 pm : link
Whether its a rookie coach (LeFluer, Kingsbury) or even mediocre coaches like Garrett and Nagy, we're at a coaching disadvantage every game we play.

Are we supposed to believe he can match up with Pederson? Not a chance.
"Give Gettleman another solid draft and some money to spend..."  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/3/2019 1:26 pm : link
Wouldn't "another" imply there has been one yet? I don't know how anyone can be certain his drafts have been solid so soon, the 2019 class are all still rookies and the 2018 class that looked solid as rookies have regressed across the board this season,

And giving him some money to spend sounds a little bit dangerous given how he's done in FA so far.

There are times when I think some fans genuinely don't realize how much wishful thinking is baked into their POV.
RE: RE: Look at Pittsburgh  
Anakim : 12/3/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14701223 TyreeHelmet said:
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They traded A. Brown, let Le'Veon Bell go to the jets and lost Roethlisberger for the season, then his drafted QB backup shits the bed. They then turn to a duck calling champion and still manage to win games. THAT IS COACHING, they are down to their 3rd string QB, Ju Ju has been hurt as has Conner and they still find a way. Shurmur has more than enough to win more than 2 god damn games and he and fat ass can't get it done. They get torched weekly.



Bingo. I'm so sick of the excuses this coach and franchise love putting out there. This team is getting worse not better.


It honestly makes me angry that people defend this shitshow. Young players, rookies, blah blah blah. Look at the product. Look at his decision-making. Can anyone give me one justifiable reason why Shurmur should be brought back? Forget the dozens of negatives against him. Give me one reason why he should be brought back (his contract doesn't count).
RE: Look at Pittsburgh  
bw in dc : 12/3/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14701206 Joey in VA said:
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They traded A. Brown, let Le'Veon Bell go to the jets and lost Roethlisberger for the season, then his drafted QB backup shits the bed. They then turn to a duck calling champion and still manage to win games. THAT IS COACHING, they are down to their 3rd string QB, Ju Ju has been hurt as has Conner and they still find a way. Shurmur has more than enough to win more than 2 god damn games and he and fat ass can't get it done. They get torched weekly.


Tomlin has done a terrific job. And so have Kevin Colbert and Keith Butler. How good was the investment in Fitzpatrick?

They aren't playing with Pouncey, either, who has been suspended.

If he wins 9 games with this team, it's one of the best coaching jobs I've seen since Parcells guided the Jets to an 8-8 record in '98 with Ray Lucas playing QB... ;)
RE: RE: Look at Pittsburgh  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/3/2019 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14701222 Josiah31 said:
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I think Pittsburg is the exemption and not the rule. It’s certainly not how you would draw it up. Also, we have played 500 more snaps out of rookies then all other teams (including Pit). Pit has more veteran players to overcome the younger players they played as well. We are just very young.


No I don't think so -- Gardner Minshaw goes on a winning streak, Miami tosses everything out the window and turns their season around, Drew Brees goes down and yet the Saints keep winning -- Drew Lock hasn't played a single down of professional football and pulls off a win, there are too many examples of teams this year that had the rug pulled out from under them and they still were able to perform.

The Giants can't get out of their own way -- they trip over each other -- the Coach trips over himself in full leadership of this -- and the team continues to regress

F that

Identify a single game in which Shurmur was the better coach  
rsjem1979 : 12/3/2019 1:31 pm : link
The Giants ARE definitely a young team. They are also a team that has not improved one bit as the season has progressed.

Allowing him to coach this team for another year is wasting another year.
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Josiah31 : 12/3/2019 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14701226 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Wouldn't "another" imply there has been one yet? I don't know how anyone can be certain his drafts have been solid so soon, the 2019 class are all still rookies and the 2018 class that looked solid as rookies have regressed across the board this season,

And giving him some money to spend sounds a little bit dangerous given how he's done in FA so far.

There are times when I think some fans genuinely don't realize how much wishful thinking is baked into their POV.


When has Gettleman had money to spend? Most of his signings have been rental players that don’t hurt the cap long term. With the exception of Soldier and Tate. Tate has been pretty good. Gettleman gets a lot of crap for Soldier, but ole Patriots wanted him back too. We just offered slightly more guaranteed money. No one new he was going to regress that bad.
Pat Shurmur has an undeniable, factual record of losing  
Ben in Tampa : 12/3/2019 1:34 pm : link
You can't sit there and say "Well give him another year, he's proven he can turn things around before"

He hasn't. He can't. The same coaching issues that got him canned in Cleveland still exist here.

Remember in 2006 when the Giants were a friggin PLAYOFF team and it wasn't a given Tom Coughlin would be back? Well, Coughlin was a proven winner and they gave him more time.

Fast forward to 2019 and the Giants have won 7 games under Shurmur. Has the bar dropped so low that we have to waffle over an all-time losing head coach getting a third year?
RE: Pat Shurmur has an undeniable, factual record of losing  
Josiah31 : 12/3/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14701237 Ben in Tampa said:
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You can't sit there and say "Well give him another year, he's proven he can turn things around before"

He hasn't. He can't. The same coaching issues that got him canned in Cleveland still exist here.

Remember in 2006 when the Giants were a friggin PLAYOFF team and it wasn't a given Tom Coughlin would be back? Well, Coughlin was a proven winner and they gave him more time.

Fast forward to 2019 and the Giants have won 7 games under Shurmur. Has the bar dropped so low that we have to waffle over an all-time losing head coach getting a third year?


Which roster that he coached do you think should of had a winning record?
The Redskins have a better record than us..  
Sean : 12/3/2019 1:43 pm : link
Have higher standards.
The only path I see to Shurmur  
Dnew15 : 12/3/2019 1:44 pm : link
keeping his job is to sweep PHI.

That would be huge for this franchise moving forward.

If I'm Shurmur - I'm coaching those two games like they are my super bowl.
RE: The only path I see to Shurmur  
cjac : 12/3/2019 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14701255 Dnew15 said:
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keeping his job is to sweep PHI.

That would be huge for this franchise moving forward.

If I'm Shurmur - I'm coaching those two games like they are my super bowl.


How about coach all 4 games like they are the super bowl.

Even if he wins all 4 though I think he's beyond bringing back.
2020  
LT56GOAT : 12/3/2019 1:49 pm : link
The answer is Mike McCarthy at Coach
Schumer decent OC not HC (game mgmt, creativity, plans)

McCarthu will make DJ the next AR. McCarthy sees Barkley as Emmit/Sanders runners (space, edge, screen pass) not how he is being used today the HB Dive play annoys everybody he is not Elliott/Peterson. DG gets another chance.

Dont hire Dallas coach if he cant win that team he will be in cellar with Giants

Sad part of Green Bay game how AR mocked franchise in NC
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Gatorade Dunk : 12/3/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14701233 Josiah31 said:
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Wouldn't "another" imply there has been one yet? I don't know how anyone can be certain his drafts have been solid so soon, the 2019 class are all still rookies and the 2018 class that looked solid as rookies have regressed across the board this season,

And giving him some money to spend sounds a little bit dangerous given how he's done in FA so far.

There are times when I think some fans genuinely don't realize how much wishful thinking is baked into their POV.



When has Gettleman had money to spend? Most of his signings have been rental players that don’t hurt the cap long term. With the exception of Soldier and Tate. Tate has been pretty good. Gettleman gets a lot of crap for Soldier, but ole Patriots wanted him back too. We just offered slightly more guaranteed money. No one new he was going to regress that bad.

When has Gettleman had money to spend? 60% of the league-leading dead money on the Giants cap this season is due to contracts Gettleman signed, not Reese. And we're carrying forward potential dead money (and at a minimum, additional bonus allocation) into 2020 and 2021 due to restructures that were required after the massive dead money that Gettleman generated with piss poor FA decisions.

If you want to give him a pass, fine. But at least be fucking informed about it.
Shurmur  
pjcas18 : 12/3/2019 1:52 pm : link
is a ridiculously stupid coaching decision by Bruce Arians and a shanked gimme FG from being 1 - 11.

He's not coming back.
If he comes back  
Dave in PA : 12/3/2019 1:53 pm : link
It will be because he’s only 40% of the way through his contract and ownership doesn’t want to pay him to be OC for another team. I think he gets fired, but it’s far from certain.
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Josiah31 : 12/3/2019 1:56 pm : link
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Wouldn't "another" imply there has been one yet? I don't know how anyone can be certain his drafts have been solid so soon, the 2019 class are all still rookies and the 2018 class that looked solid as rookies have regressed across the board this season,

And giving him some money to spend sounds a little bit dangerous given how he's done in FA so far.

There are times when I think some fans genuinely don't realize how much wishful thinking is baked into their POV.



When has Gettleman had money to spend? Most of his signings have been rental players that don’t hurt the cap long term. With the exception of Soldier and Tate. Tate has been pretty good. Gettleman gets a lot of crap for Soldier, but ole Patriots wanted him back too. We just offered slightly more guaranteed money. No one new he was going to regress that bad.


When has Gettleman had money to spend? 60% of the league-leading dead money on the Giants cap this season is due to contracts Gettleman signed, not Reese. And we're carrying forward potential dead money (and at a minimum, additional bonus allocation) into 2020 and 2021 due to restructures that were required after the massive dead money that Gettleman generated with piss poor FA decisions.

If you want to give him a pass, fine. But at least be fucking informed about it.


Yes. I know we have a ton of dead cap. Gettleman cut bait with bad signings. It happens. Trading Odell as the right move. We got something for him and the cap will be fixed after this season.
If the Giants win all their remaining games,  
81_Great_Dane : 12/3/2019 1:56 pm : link
score 30+ points in each, every game is a blowout and they play lights-out in all three phases of the game, MAYBE there's an argument to bring Shurmur back. And that's not going to happen.

The big argument against Shurmur is that nobody's been getting better, and some guys have regressed as they've spent more time under his coaching. So if he could turn that around, that argument goes away.

However he's amassed a body of work with the Giants, and it's pretty grim. Even a surge at the end, in what amounts to garbage time, doesn't erase all that suckitude.
Lets not forget  
Chip : 12/3/2019 1:58 pm : link
We are playing a lot of rookies and undrafted free agents. This team was dismantled and now we are beginning to put it back together with these kids who need to learn how to play in the NFL. Next year will be the first year that DG has had any cap space and with the a very high draft pick like Chase we can turn it around. I personally would prefer to keep Shurmur unless we can find an experienced coach like Tomlin or Payton.
RE: Shurmur  
Scooter185 : 12/3/2019 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14701265 pjcas18 said:
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is a ridiculously stupid coaching decision by Bruce Arians and a shanked gimme FG from being 1 - 11.

He's not coming back.


Yup, that missed FG is the difference between being tied for last in the league with the Bungles
thought Spielmann made an excellent point during GB game  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2019 2:01 pm : link
I've been tuning in and out to Giants' games, mostly out, but happened to catch the fumbled handoff in Q3 that cost them a shot at 3rd and short.

Spielmann ranted, he said Shurmur acknowledged that Scott hasn't even practiced at the position much/at all this week: why would you put a guy who has no familiarity in a key spot? Pretty bad, assuming Spielmann was correct
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Justlurking : 12/3/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14701226 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Wouldn't "another" imply there has been one yet? I don't know how anyone can be certain his drafts have been solid so soon, the 2019 class are all still rookies and the 2018 class that looked solid as rookies have regressed across the board this season,

And giving him some money to spend sounds a little bit dangerous given how he's done in FA so far.

There are times when I think some fans genuinely don't realize how much wishful thinking is baked into their POV.


Gettleman is a fucking disaster. He hired Shurmur. His drafting prowess is laughable. They drafted 2nd and he took a RB! Hernandez is OK. BJ Hill stinks and was taken one spot ahead of Fred Warner who is making the pro bowl. Lauletta isnt on the team. Oh shit I forgot Lorenzo Carter probably bc i havent seen him make a play all season.

This draft looks just like one of Reese's. (2017- Engram, Tomlinson, Gallman qb not on team) 1 or 2 players and a bunch of guys who Giants fans completely overrate who are going to be working as bouncers at 1 Oak soon. Enough with the excuses. Nothing has changed. Same exact player personnel department. These two bozos need to go ASAP and the rest of player personnel needs to be completely revamped. BURN. IT. DOWN.
RE: Lets not forget  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/3/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14701276 Chip said:
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We are playing a lot of rookies and undrafted free agents. This team was dismantled and now we are beginning to put it back together with these kids who need to learn how to play in the NFL. Next year will be the first year that DG has had any cap space and with the a very high draft pick like Chase we can turn it around. I personally would prefer to keep Shurmur unless we can find an experienced coach like Tomlin or Payton.

He could have had cap space this year, except he decided it was a more productive use of his resources to spend his salary cap room on getting rid of players and taking on dead money - more than half of which was due to contracts that he signed, not Reese.

I don't get how you can defend DG if you're not even paying attention to what moves he makes. Actually, strike that - it's probably the only way you can defend DG.
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Gatorade Dunk : 12/3/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14701271 Josiah31 said:
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Wouldn't "another" imply there has been one yet? I don't know how anyone can be certain his drafts have been solid so soon, the 2019 class are all still rookies and the 2018 class that looked solid as rookies have regressed across the board this season,

And giving him some money to spend sounds a little bit dangerous given how he's done in FA so far.

There are times when I think some fans genuinely don't realize how much wishful thinking is baked into their POV.



When has Gettleman had money to spend? Most of his signings have been rental players that don’t hurt the cap long term. With the exception of Soldier and Tate. Tate has been pretty good. Gettleman gets a lot of crap for Soldier, but ole Patriots wanted him back too. We just offered slightly more guaranteed money. No one new he was going to regress that bad.


When has Gettleman had money to spend? 60% of the league-leading dead money on the Giants cap this season is due to contracts Gettleman signed, not Reese. And we're carrying forward potential dead money (and at a minimum, additional bonus allocation) into 2020 and 2021 due to restructures that were required after the massive dead money that Gettleman generated with piss poor FA decisions.

If you want to give him a pass, fine. But at least be fucking informed about it.



Yes. I know we have a ton of dead cap. Gettleman cut bait with bad signings. It happens. Trading Odell as the right move. We got something for him and the cap will be fixed after this season.

Do you know why he had to cut bait with bad signings? Because he made bad signings.

"It happens" isn't a good enough excuse if this rebuild is ever going to be successful.
RE: RE: Lets not forget  
Justlurking : 12/3/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14701315 Gatorade Dunk said:
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We are playing a lot of rookies and undrafted free agents. This team was dismantled and now we are beginning to put it back together with these kids who need to learn how to play in the NFL. Next year will be the first year that DG has had any cap space and with the a very high draft pick like Chase we can turn it around. I personally would prefer to keep Shurmur unless we can find an experienced coach like Tomlin or Payton.


He could have had cap space this year, except he decided it was a more productive use of his resources to spend his salary cap room on getting rid of players and taking on dead money - more than half of which was due to contracts that he signed, not Reese.

I don't get how you can defend DG if you're not even paying attention to what moves he makes. Actually, strike that - it's probably the only way you can defend DG.


LOL - GETTLEMAN HAD NO CAP ROOM BECAUSE OF ALL THE BAD MOVES HE MADE. LETS GIVE HIM ANOTHER CHANCE TO SIGN MORE BAD CONTRACTS AND MAKE DEAD MONEY TRADES.

What's the definition of insanity again?
RE: Look at Pittsburgh  
Gettledogman : 12/3/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14701206 Joey in VA said:
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They traded A. Brown, let Le'Veon Bell go to the jets and lost Roethlisberger for the season, then his drafted QB backup shits the bed. They then turn to a duck calling champion and still manage to win games. THAT IS COACHING, they are down to their 3rd string QB, Ju Ju has been hurt as has Conner and they still find a way. Shurmur has more than enough to win more than 2 god damn games and he and fat ass can't get it done. They get torched weekly.


Tomlin is one of the best coaches and they wanted to fire him this year.. Pittsburgh has and always has a Defense. Giants haven't had a D since Spags the last year we went to playoffs. Pittsburgh usually has one of the best OLs in the game too, Giants haven't had a top OL since beg 2011.
RE: RE: Look at Pittsburgh  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/3/2019 2:23 pm : link
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They traded A. Brown, let Le'Veon Bell go to the jets and lost Roethlisberger for the season, then his drafted QB backup shits the bed. They then turn to a duck calling champion and still manage to win games. THAT IS COACHING, they are down to their 3rd string QB, Ju Ju has been hurt as has Conner and they still find a way. Shurmur has more than enough to win more than 2 god damn games and he and fat ass can't get it done. They get torched weekly.



Tomlin is one of the best coaches and they wanted to fire him this year.. Pittsburgh has and always has a Defense. Giants haven't had a D since Spags the last year we went to playoffs. Pittsburgh usually has one of the best OLs in the game too, Giants haven't had a top OL since beg 2011.

It's too bad your hero couldn't assemble an OL if you handed him Anthony Muñoz and Orlando Pace in their prime.
Pittsburgh still has a veteran OLine  
bc4life : 12/3/2019 2:32 pm : link
and have had the same system in place for a while.
On defense they have Heyward, Watt, Bush, & Dupree, Barron, Fitzpatrick and Hayden.

Think Shurmur is a goner. But the talk about Steelers having limited talent is overstated. Look at the comparison on defense.
There weren't great expectations this year....  
Chris684 : 12/3/2019 2:56 pm : link
I think any reasonable fan could have gotten behind 7 or 8 wins, maybe a big win against Dallas, Philly or a better team along the way, and in general, progress toward an even more successful 2020.

We have gone backwards. Not one step back, it's felt more like 2 or 3 steps back.

Shurmur would have a better case to make for year 3 without the Cleveland stint on his resume. However, his record speaks for itself. It's awful and it provides no hope.

It's time.
mara said he needed to see improvement.  
japanhead : 12/3/2019 3:16 pm : link
. the team has taken a very obvious step backwards, they look completely unprepared and overmatched every week. shurmur is slow to react. not by a few plays.. like weeks slow.. it's been really bad.

love how he said "i'm built for this" prior to losing to the jets, and then continuing to lose. guy is a joke. i'd be surprised if he got a coordinator job after this.
week in and week out we here the  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 12/3/2019 3:34 pm : link
TV analysts say how poorly coached and prepared the team is.
RE: Look at Pittsburgh  
V.I.G. : 12/3/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14701206 Joey in VA said:
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They traded A. Brown, let Le'Veon Bell go to the jets and lost Roethlisberger for the season, then his drafted QB backup shits the bed. They then turn to a duck calling champion and still manage to win games. THAT IS COACHING, they are down to their 3rd string QB, Ju Ju has been hurt as has Conner and they still find a way. Shurmur has more than enough to win more than 2 god damn games and he and fat ass can't get it done. They get torched weekly.

When you have that D and that OL - you can still win.
When you have our D and our OL - you cannot - even with Tomlin

Not to say we couldnt be better. but 1-3 games better.
Not playoffs with this shit roster.
Don’t think he’s coming back  
jeff57 : 12/3/2019 4:02 pm : link
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RE: Pittsburgh still has a veteran OLine  
Josiah31 : 12/3/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14701349 bc4life said:
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and have had the same system in place for a while.
On defense they have Heyward, Watt, Bush, & Dupree, Barron, Fitzpatrick and Hayden.

Think Shurmur is a goner. But the talk about Steelers having limited talent is overstated. Look at the comparison on defense.


Exactly. There’s no coach winning with our roster.
YES!!!!  
micky : 12/3/2019 4:39 pm : link
Continuity. Stick to the course. They are extremely, extremely young. Shurmur needs to be extended. It's not his fault.

Any fan complaining about this or that and want people fired don't know anything about football. Behind the scenes this is an incredible team waiting to win a championship. Fans are blind and over reactionary. This team is built to win a championship soon. As soon as they take it out from behind the scenes. Getts has done an incredible job to turn this org around from where it was a year ago. Just look behind the scenes. So enough with the the firings etc etc. Extend both getts and Shurmur ..keep team as is now as they are built to win it all now
RE: Look at Pittsburgh  
djstat : 12/3/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14701206 Joey in VA said:
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They traded A. Brown, let Le'Veon Bell go to the jets and lost Roethlisberger for the season, then his drafted QB backup shits the bed. They then turn to a duck calling champion and still manage to win games. THAT IS COACHING, they are down to their 3rd string QB, Ju Ju has been hurt as has Conner and they still find a way. Shurmur has more than enough to win more than 2 god damn games and he and fat ass can't get it done. They get torched weekly.
Joey, I agree with you on the coaching in Pitt, but they also have like seven first round draft picks on defense playing. THeir defense is scary good. Their offense makes enough plays to beat Cleveland and Bengals.
I saw a lot of player frustration with play calls and decisions in the  
Ivan15 : 12/3/2019 4:59 pm : link
Packers game. You can say he doesn’t have good personnel to work with and you can say he got stuck with some coaches he would not have chosen.
But his first job is to make decisions on the field and, because he chose to, make play calls. He has failed. The Giants will play out the string because no one wants to fire another HC in season again.
he's  
peteschweaty : 12/3/2019 4:59 pm : link
17-44 as a head coach...currently rolling through an 8 game losing streak likely to be 9 unless they can beat a desperate eagle team...how could any rational human being bring him back?

right it's mara...sorry.
Shurmur = Hard Knocks  
Reale01 : 12/3/2019 6:52 pm : link
The only time the Giants have been relevant the past three years has been in training camp. Let's maximize that period of optimism and hope with an appearance on Hard Knocks!

We can shift our focus away from football once the season starts.

Unfortunately, we need to keep Shurmur to make this happen.
I’ve never had less confidence in coaching across the board  
mattlawson : 12/3/2019 8:15 pm : link
The GM - I’m not so sure yet.
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