Yes, I know, Shurmur has had questionable decisions he has made in the course of games, however, I don’t believe it’s enough to fire him after two seasons. Regardless of what the Giants may have tried having us believe, the fact of the matter is we didn’t have the horses this year. Jones,Slayton, Lawrence, Baker, Ballantine, Love, x man, and Conally before injury all have played major snaps. The rest of the team is mostly 2-3 year players. To expect Shurmur to win even 5 games this year isn’t being honest with our situation. We really can’t say with any certainty that it is Shurmur causing us to lose all these games. It’s more then likely inexperienced players getting in their lumps. This was a 3 year rebuild. First year we had to dismantle a shit show. Give Gettleman another solid draft and some money to spend this offseason and see where we are at. If we suck next year, let’s bust out the guillotine.
they are being outcoached week after week.
mostly in the 4th Q
if you're going backwards at this point in the season its all on coaching.
He’s not the guy to lead this team anywhere!!
Mara’s will not bring him back with all social media being this negative.
Ummm. Clock mismanagement? Wasting challenges? Making the most of inopportune times to call timeouts? Questionable playcalls throughout the game, but ESPECIALLY in the fourth quarter?
...your words:
"This was a 3 year rebuild. First year we had to dismantle a shit show."
One problem:
It turns out that the so-called "shit-show" of Year One that "had to (be) dismantle(d)," is WAY BETTER than Year Two (this season).
That is why Shurmur is gone.
Depend upon it.
I think Pittsburg is the exemption and not the rule. It’s certainly not how you would draw it up. Also, we have played 500 more snaps out of rookies then all other teams (including Pit). Pit has more veteran players to overcome the younger players they played as well. We are just very young.
Bingo. I'm so sick of the excuses this coach and franchise love putting out there. This team is getting worse not better.
Are we supposed to believe he can match up with Pederson? Not a chance.
And giving him some money to spend sounds a little bit dangerous given how he's done in FA so far.
There are times when I think some fans genuinely don't realize how much wishful thinking is baked into their POV.
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They traded A. Brown, let Le'Veon Bell go to the jets and lost Roethlisberger for the season, then his drafted QB backup shits the bed. They then turn to a duck calling champion and still manage to win games. THAT IS COACHING, they are down to their 3rd string QB, Ju Ju has been hurt as has Conner and they still find a way. Shurmur has more than enough to win more than 2 god damn games and he and fat ass can't get it done. They get torched weekly.
Bingo. I'm so sick of the excuses this coach and franchise love putting out there. This team is getting worse not better.
It honestly makes me angry that people defend this shitshow. Young players, rookies, blah blah blah. Look at the product. Look at his decision-making. Can anyone give me one justifiable reason why Shurmur should be brought back? Forget the dozens of negatives against him. Give me one reason why he should be brought back (his contract doesn't count).
Tomlin has done a terrific job. And so have Kevin Colbert and Keith Butler. How good was the investment in Fitzpatrick?
They aren't playing with Pouncey, either, who has been suspended.
If he wins 9 games with this team, it's one of the best coaching jobs I've seen since Parcells guided the Jets to an 8-8 record in '98 with Ray Lucas playing QB... ;)
I think Pittsburg is the exemption and not the rule. It’s certainly not how you would draw it up. Also, we have played 500 more snaps out of rookies then all other teams (including Pit). Pit has more veteran players to overcome the younger players they played as well. We are just very young.
No I don't think so -- Gardner Minshaw goes on a winning streak, Miami tosses everything out the window and turns their season around, Drew Brees goes down and yet the Saints keep winning -- Drew Lock hasn't played a single down of professional football and pulls off a win, there are too many examples of teams this year that had the rug pulled out from under them and they still were able to perform.
The Giants can't get out of their own way -- they trip over each other -- the Coach trips over himself in full leadership of this -- and the team continues to regress
F that
Allowing him to coach this team for another year is wasting another year.
And giving him some money to spend sounds a little bit dangerous given how he's done in FA so far.
There are times when I think some fans genuinely don't realize how much wishful thinking is baked into their POV.
When has Gettleman had money to spend? Most of his signings have been rental players that don’t hurt the cap long term. With the exception of Soldier and Tate. Tate has been pretty good. Gettleman gets a lot of crap for Soldier, but ole Patriots wanted him back too. We just offered slightly more guaranteed money. No one new he was going to regress that bad.
He hasn't. He can't. The same coaching issues that got him canned in Cleveland still exist here.
Remember in 2006 when the Giants were a friggin PLAYOFF team and it wasn't a given Tom Coughlin would be back? Well, Coughlin was a proven winner and they gave him more time.
Fast forward to 2019 and the Giants have won 7 games under Shurmur. Has the bar dropped so low that we have to waffle over an all-time losing head coach getting a third year?
He hasn't. He can't. The same coaching issues that got him canned in Cleveland still exist here.
Remember in 2006 when the Giants were a friggin PLAYOFF team and it wasn't a given Tom Coughlin would be back? Well, Coughlin was a proven winner and they gave him more time.
Fast forward to 2019 and the Giants have won 7 games under Shurmur. Has the bar dropped so low that we have to waffle over an all-time losing head coach getting a third year?
Which roster that he coached do you think should of had a winning record?
That would be huge for this franchise moving forward.
If I'm Shurmur - I'm coaching those two games like they are my super bowl.
That would be huge for this franchise moving forward.
If I'm Shurmur - I'm coaching those two games like they are my super bowl.
How about coach all 4 games like they are the super bowl.
Even if he wins all 4 though I think he's beyond bringing back.
Schumer decent OC not HC (game mgmt, creativity, plans)
McCarthu will make DJ the next AR. McCarthy sees Barkley as Emmit/Sanders runners (space, edge, screen pass) not how he is being used today the HB Dive play annoys everybody he is not Elliott/Peterson. DG gets another chance.
Dont hire Dallas coach if he cant win that team he will be in cellar with Giants
Sad part of Green Bay game how AR mocked franchise in NC
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Wouldn't "another" imply there has been one yet? I don't know how anyone can be certain his drafts have been solid so soon, the 2019 class are all still rookies and the 2018 class that looked solid as rookies have regressed across the board this season,
And giving him some money to spend sounds a little bit dangerous given how he's done in FA so far.
There are times when I think some fans genuinely don't realize how much wishful thinking is baked into their POV.
When has Gettleman had money to spend? Most of his signings have been rental players that don’t hurt the cap long term. With the exception of Soldier and Tate. Tate has been pretty good. Gettleman gets a lot of crap for Soldier, but ole Patriots wanted him back too. We just offered slightly more guaranteed money. No one new he was going to regress that bad.
When has Gettleman had money to spend? 60% of the league-leading dead money on the Giants cap this season is due to contracts Gettleman signed, not Reese. And we're carrying forward potential dead money (and at a minimum, additional bonus allocation) into 2020 and 2021 due to restructures that were required after the massive dead money that Gettleman generated with piss poor FA decisions.
If you want to give him a pass, fine. But at least be fucking informed about it.
He's not coming back.
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Wouldn't "another" imply there has been one yet? I don't know how anyone can be certain his drafts have been solid so soon, the 2019 class are all still rookies and the 2018 class that looked solid as rookies have regressed across the board this season,
And giving him some money to spend sounds a little bit dangerous given how he's done in FA so far.
There are times when I think some fans genuinely don't realize how much wishful thinking is baked into their POV.
When has Gettleman had money to spend? Most of his signings have been rental players that don’t hurt the cap long term. With the exception of Soldier and Tate. Tate has been pretty good. Gettleman gets a lot of crap for Soldier, but ole Patriots wanted him back too. We just offered slightly more guaranteed money. No one new he was going to regress that bad.
When has Gettleman had money to spend? 60% of the league-leading dead money on the Giants cap this season is due to contracts Gettleman signed, not Reese. And we're carrying forward potential dead money (and at a minimum, additional bonus allocation) into 2020 and 2021 due to restructures that were required after the massive dead money that Gettleman generated with piss poor FA decisions.
If you want to give him a pass, fine. But at least be fucking informed about it.
Yes. I know we have a ton of dead cap. Gettleman cut bait with bad signings. It happens. Trading Odell as the right move. We got something for him and the cap will be fixed after this season.
The big argument against Shurmur is that nobody's been getting better, and some guys have regressed as they've spent more time under his coaching. So if he could turn that around, that argument goes away.
However he's amassed a body of work with the Giants, and it's pretty grim. Even a surge at the end, in what amounts to garbage time, doesn't erase all that suckitude.
He's not coming back.
Yup, that missed FG is the difference between being tied for last in the league with the Bungles
Spielmann ranted, he said Shurmur acknowledged that Scott hasn't even practiced at the position much/at all this week: why would you put a guy who has no familiarity in a key spot? Pretty bad, assuming Spielmann was correct
And giving him some money to spend sounds a little bit dangerous given how he's done in FA so far.
There are times when I think some fans genuinely don't realize how much wishful thinking is baked into their POV.
Gettleman is a fucking disaster. He hired Shurmur. His drafting prowess is laughable. They drafted 2nd and he took a RB! Hernandez is OK. BJ Hill stinks and was taken one spot ahead of Fred Warner who is making the pro bowl. Lauletta isnt on the team. Oh shit I forgot Lorenzo Carter probably bc i havent seen him make a play all season.
This draft looks just like one of Reese's. (2017- Engram, Tomlinson, Gallman qb not on team) 1 or 2 players and a bunch of guys who Giants fans completely overrate who are going to be working as bouncers at 1 Oak soon. Enough with the excuses. Nothing has changed. Same exact player personnel department. These two bozos need to go ASAP and the rest of player personnel needs to be completely revamped. BURN. IT. DOWN.
He could have had cap space this year, except he decided it was a more productive use of his resources to spend his salary cap room on getting rid of players and taking on dead money - more than half of which was due to contracts that he signed, not Reese.
I don't get how you can defend DG if you're not even paying attention to what moves he makes. Actually, strike that - it's probably the only way you can defend DG.
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Wouldn't "another" imply there has been one yet? I don't know how anyone can be certain his drafts have been solid so soon, the 2019 class are all still rookies and the 2018 class that looked solid as rookies have regressed across the board this season,
And giving him some money to spend sounds a little bit dangerous given how he's done in FA so far.
There are times when I think some fans genuinely don't realize how much wishful thinking is baked into their POV.
When has Gettleman had money to spend? Most of his signings have been rental players that don’t hurt the cap long term. With the exception of Soldier and Tate. Tate has been pretty good. Gettleman gets a lot of crap for Soldier, but ole Patriots wanted him back too. We just offered slightly more guaranteed money. No one new he was going to regress that bad.
When has Gettleman had money to spend? 60% of the league-leading dead money on the Giants cap this season is due to contracts Gettleman signed, not Reese. And we're carrying forward potential dead money (and at a minimum, additional bonus allocation) into 2020 and 2021 due to restructures that were required after the massive dead money that Gettleman generated with piss poor FA decisions.
If you want to give him a pass, fine. But at least be fucking informed about it.
Yes. I know we have a ton of dead cap. Gettleman cut bait with bad signings. It happens. Trading Odell as the right move. We got something for him and the cap will be fixed after this season.
Do you know why he had to cut bait with bad signings? Because he made bad signings.
"It happens" isn't a good enough excuse if this rebuild is ever going to be successful.
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We are playing a lot of rookies and undrafted free agents. This team was dismantled and now we are beginning to put it back together with these kids who need to learn how to play in the NFL. Next year will be the first year that DG has had any cap space and with the a very high draft pick like Chase we can turn it around. I personally would prefer to keep Shurmur unless we can find an experienced coach like Tomlin or Payton.
He could have had cap space this year, except he decided it was a more productive use of his resources to spend his salary cap room on getting rid of players and taking on dead money - more than half of which was due to contracts that he signed, not Reese.
I don't get how you can defend DG if you're not even paying attention to what moves he makes. Actually, strike that - it's probably the only way you can defend DG.
LOL - GETTLEMAN HAD NO CAP ROOM BECAUSE OF ALL THE BAD MOVES HE MADE. LETS GIVE HIM ANOTHER CHANCE TO SIGN MORE BAD CONTRACTS AND MAKE DEAD MONEY TRADES.
What's the definition of insanity again?
Tomlin is one of the best coaches and they wanted to fire him this year.. Pittsburgh has and always has a Defense. Giants haven't had a D since Spags the last year we went to playoffs. Pittsburgh usually has one of the best OLs in the game too, Giants haven't had a top OL since beg 2011.
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They traded A. Brown, let Le'Veon Bell go to the jets and lost Roethlisberger for the season, then his drafted QB backup shits the bed. They then turn to a duck calling champion and still manage to win games. THAT IS COACHING, they are down to their 3rd string QB, Ju Ju has been hurt as has Conner and they still find a way. Shurmur has more than enough to win more than 2 god damn games and he and fat ass can't get it done. They get torched weekly.
Tomlin is one of the best coaches and they wanted to fire him this year.. Pittsburgh has and always has a Defense. Giants haven't had a D since Spags the last year we went to playoffs. Pittsburgh usually has one of the best OLs in the game too, Giants haven't had a top OL since beg 2011.
It's too bad your hero couldn't assemble an OL if you handed him Anthony Muñoz and Orlando Pace in their prime.
On defense they have Heyward, Watt, Bush, & Dupree, Barron, Fitzpatrick and Hayden.
Think Shurmur is a goner. But the talk about Steelers having limited talent is overstated. Look at the comparison on defense.
We have gone backwards. Not one step back, it's felt more like 2 or 3 steps back.
Shurmur would have a better case to make for year 3 without the Cleveland stint on his resume. However, his record speaks for itself. It's awful and it provides no hope.
It's time.
love how he said "i'm built for this" prior to losing to the jets, and then continuing to lose. guy is a joke. i'd be surprised if he got a coordinator job after this.
When you have that D and that OL - you can still win.
When you have our D and our OL - you cannot - even with Tomlin
Not to say we couldnt be better. but 1-3 games better.
Not playoffs with this shit roster.
On defense they have Heyward, Watt, Bush, & Dupree, Barron, Fitzpatrick and Hayden.
Think Shurmur is a goner. But the talk about Steelers having limited talent is overstated. Look at the comparison on defense.
Exactly. There’s no coach winning with our roster.
Any fan complaining about this or that and want people fired don't know anything about football. Behind the scenes this is an incredible team waiting to win a championship. Fans are blind and over reactionary. This team is built to win a championship soon. As soon as they take it out from behind the scenes. Getts has done an incredible job to turn this org around from where it was a year ago. Just look behind the scenes. So enough with the the firings etc etc. Extend both getts and Shurmur ..keep team as is now as they are built to win it all now
But his first job is to make decisions on the field and, because he chose to, make play calls. He has failed. The Giants will play out the string because no one wants to fire another HC in season again.
right it's mara...sorry.
We can shift our focus away from football once the season starts.
Unfortunately, we need to keep Shurmur to make this happen.