I think he's probably the best we'll be able to land if Gettleman is still in charge and on shaky ground. With the number of NFL openings likely to be available this season the Giants aren't exactly the belle of the ball.
Norv couldn't get it done with McCaffery and the backup, Allen. I am not convinced he is as good as his reputation.
CMC is DOMINATING the NFL. if they had a QB with experience they would be VERY good....it happens. barkl;ey would be utilized
Oh I see now. 14 carries for 44 yards against the Redskins. Just what the Giants need for the underperforming Barkley.
bad games happen. this isnt fucking madden. CMC leads the league in yards from scrimmage...how does that not prove norv uses him correctly? norv would be great for barkley
Ron Rivera is a good and decent human being, who is an above-average NFL coach. There have actually been times I’ve thought his goodness and decentness held him back (i.e. keeping Mike Shula around for too long).
Handles these situations! Don’t wait till the end of the season? If the coach sucks ass and can’t hack it, you fire him. Period. And no to Riviera, we don’t need another has been.
The last has been we had was Coughlin.
McAdoo and Shurmur were never was.
A lot of people though Gruden would be a has been and are now praising what is happening in Oakland.
I'm tired of fooling around with coordinators. Give me a real head coach in here again.
Point taken.. but if you can’t muster a win against the Washington Redskins this year, your not the answer.. It’s probably the reason he got fired before the actual season ended...
But did Rivera and Gettleman get along down in Carolina?
DG didn't hire Rivera, but he also didn't fire him. Seems like there was always an equal respect for each other to do their job.
Ron is my choice as I think DG will survive any purge. Knowing that he can work with DG and he is a defensive minded coach is a plus. If Ron can drag Norv along to do what he has done with CMC what should be done with Barkley, all the better.
Handles these situations! Don’t wait till the end of the season? If the coach sucks ass and can’t hack it, you fire him. Period. And no to Riviera, we don’t need another has been.
The last has been we had was Coughlin.
McAdoo and Shurmur were never was.
A lot of people though Gruden would be a has been and are now praising what is happening in Oakland.
I'm tired of fooling around with coordinators. Give me a real head coach in here again.
Point taken.. but if you can’t muster a win against the Washington Redskins this year, your not the answer.. It’s probably the reason he got fired before the actual season ended...
The Eagles just got beat by Miami. Sh-t happens, any given Sunday.
Norv couldn't get it done with McCaffery and the backup, Allen. I am not convinced he is as good as his reputation.
CMC is DOMINATING the NFL. if they had a QB with experience they would be VERY good....it happens. barkl;ey would be utilized
Oh I see now. 14 carries for 44 yards against the Redskins. Just what the Giants need for the underperforming Barkley.
bad games happen. this isnt fucking madden. CMC leads the league in yards from scrimmage...how does that not prove norv uses him correctly? norv would be great for barkley
And what were Barkley's numbers last year? Regardless of the HC and OC, both of these RBs are outstanding. Panthers are 5-7. What were the Giants last year when Barkley had such great numbers?
I've happen to watch a decent amount of Panther games over the years Â
I felt Cam Newton was both a catapult and handicap to Rivera. They essentially had to dumb down their entire scheme to mimic what Cam ran at Auburn. The problem with that is it doesn't allow for adapatability or many in-game adjustments, and relies heavily on winning 1-on-1 battles. If you don't have the talent on the field, it doesn't work.
That being said, the team's been a few plays away from being an over .500 team with a no-name rookie QB. Even with McCaffrey, that's still pretty impressive. Give him an elite OC, and QB that we believe Jones to be and he will do damage in a division that's been mediocre in comparison to what the NFC South has been over the past decade.
Is he better than Belichick? No. But he can definitely beat him, and that's what you need in today's NFL.
The guy who is going to transform your franchise & bring a winning culture (Bill Parcells the most obvious example who did it with multiple teams), but they simply do not grow on trees. Obviously.
Then there's the "hot coordinator" route. It can work (McVay, Payton) but there are way, way more examples of miserable failures (a million to enumerate, but McAdoo and Spags are two Giants fans know well).
So the arguable next best option is to select a high floor/stabilizing type guy. Not sexy, but your Grudens, McCarthy, Jim Schwartz, Fox, and yes Ron Riviera. The relative expanses of their ceiling are uncertain, but you know they at least "belong" in the NFL holding a clipboard which is more than one can say for the 2019 NYG coaching staff.
The Giants are in such catastrophically bad shape, such a rudderless dumpster fire of a franchise, that there is a strong argument to be made that a fundamental stabilization should be paramount. When a plane is nose-diving, you avert catastrophe before worrying about climbing once more.
I don't see easy answers. This is way, way worse than Fassel to Coughlin. But those seemingly exasperated at every HC suggestion would do well to remember that once Shurmur is gone (and dear God he should be), a choice actually does need to get made. And someone out there is, if not ideal, still the least bad option. It may very well be a boring "stabilizer" type.
Handles these situations! Don’t wait till the end of the season? If the coach sucks ass and can’t hack it, you fire him. Period. And no to Riviera, we don’t need another has been.
The last has been we had was Coughlin.
RE: I've happen to watch a decent amount of Panther games over the years Â
I felt Cam Newton was both a catapult and handicap to Rivera. They essentially had to dumb down their entire scheme to mimic what Cam ran at Auburn. The problem with that is it doesn't allow for adapatability or many in-game adjustments, and relies heavily on winning 1-on-1 battles. If you don't have the talent on the field, it doesn't work.
That being said, the team's been a few plays away from being an over .500 team with a no-name rookie QB. Even with McCaffrey, that's still pretty impressive. Give him an elite OC, and QB that we believe Jones to be and he will do damage in a division that's been mediocre in comparison to what the NFC South has been over the past decade.
Is he better than Belichick? No. But he can definitely beat him, and that's what you need in today's NFL.
To follow your logic, does it suggest that Rivera and Turner would apply what they did with the Panthers and feature/ emphasize Barkley with a 1 on 1 matchup goal? Hey, the Panthers have/had Newton and McCaffery and the Giants have Jones and Barkley. Seems the same, n'est ce pas?
playoffs 4 of the last 7 years including a SB appearance. They are 4-7 currently playing a second year UDFA at qb. Guess the owner didn't like losing to the Redskins and Atlanta.
It's like if we're not going to get Belichick, we shouldn't hire anyone.
No one is claiming Rivera is an elite HC. What he is is a very good HC who is 13 games above .500. That warrants a good look see. I'm not saying we should hire him today, but he should warrant consideration. Abso-fucking-lutely. We could do a whole lot worse.
I bet a lot of you would be saying the same damn thing if Andy Reid shook loose. "He never won a Super Bowl!" "He would be shit without an MVP like Mahomes!"
RE: I think some of you guys have too lofty of expectations Â
It's like if we're not going to get Belichick, we shouldn't hire anyone.
No one is claiming Rivera is an elite HC. What he is is a very good HC who is 13 games above .500. That warrants a good look see. I'm not saying we should hire him today, but he should warrant consideration. Abso-fucking-lutely. We could do a whole lot worse.
I bet a lot of you would be saying the same damn thing if Andy Reid shook loose. "He never won a Super Bowl!" "He would be shit without an MVP like Mahomes!"
playoffs 4 of the last 7 years including a SB appearance. They are 4-7 currently playing a second year UDFA at qb. Guess the owner didn't like losing to the Redskins and Atlanta.
Does this mean when the Giants take that L to Washington on December 22, the next day Shurmur will be given his papers?
Probably not since it will be 2 days before Christmas.
In that case, give Shurmur his papers after the L to Miami.
I'm not saying he's a no-brainer, but I would absolutely do my due diligence on him.
Only on BBI.
Norv couldn't get it done with McCaffery and the backup, Allen. I am not convinced he is as good as his reputation.
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That would be an exciting combination. I'd love to see what Norv could do with Jones.
And Barkely, like CMC is used now
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Norv couldn't get it done with McCaffery and the backup, Allen. I am not convinced he is as good as his reputation.
CMC is DOMINATING the NFL. if they had a QB with experience they would be VERY good....it happens. barkl;ey would be utilized
Outside of that one fluke 15-1 season when Newton was MVP, Rivera is a sub-.500 coach
Exactly.
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Norv couldn't get it done with McCaffery and the backup, Allen. I am not convinced he is as good as his reputation.
CMC is leading league in yards from scrimmage, by a lot
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Norv couldn't get it done with McCaffery and the backup, Allen. I am not convinced he is as good as his reputation.
CMC is DOMINATING the NFL. if they had a QB with experience they would be VERY good....it happens. barkl;ey would be utilized
Oh I see now. 14 carries for 44 yards against the Redskins. Just what the Giants need for the underperforming Barkley.
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heck ya !
Norv couldn't get it done with McCaffery and the backup, Allen. I am not convinced he is as good as his reputation.
CMC is DOMINATING the NFL. if they had a QB with experience they would be VERY good....it happens. barkl;ey would be utilized
Oh I see now. 14 carries for 44 yards against the Redskins. Just what the Giants need for the underperforming Barkley.
bad games happen. this isnt fucking madden. CMC leads the league in yards from scrimmage...how does that not prove norv uses him correctly? norv would be great for barkley
Ron Rivera is a good and decent human being, who is an above-average NFL coach. There have actually been times I’ve thought his goodness and decentness held him back (i.e. keeping Mike Shula around for too long).
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Handles these situations! Don’t wait till the end of the season? If the coach sucks ass and can’t hack it, you fire him. Period. And no to Riviera, we don’t need another has been.
The last has been we had was Coughlin.
McAdoo and Shurmur were never was.
A lot of people though Gruden would be a has been and are now praising what is happening in Oakland.
I'm tired of fooling around with coordinators. Give me a real head coach in here again.
Point taken.. but if you can’t muster a win against the Washington Redskins this year, your not the answer.. It’s probably the reason he got fired before the actual season ended...
DG didn't hire Rivera, but he also didn't fire him. Seems like there was always an equal respect for each other to do their job.
Ron is my choice as I think DG will survive any purge. Knowing that he can work with DG and he is a defensive minded coach is a plus. If Ron can drag Norv along to do what he has done with CMC what should be done with Barkley, all the better.
SIGN ME UP!!!!!
Shurmur is Pussy Pat
Cam Newton has horribly regressed, so theres that
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Handles these situations! Don’t wait till the end of the season? If the coach sucks ass and can’t hack it, you fire him. Period. And no to Riviera, we don’t need another has been.
The last has been we had was Coughlin.
McAdoo and Shurmur were never was.
A lot of people though Gruden would be a has been and are now praising what is happening in Oakland.
I'm tired of fooling around with coordinators. Give me a real head coach in here again.
Point taken.. but if you can’t muster a win against the Washington Redskins this year, your not the answer.. It’s probably the reason he got fired before the actual season ended...
The Eagles just got beat by Miami. Sh-t happens, any given Sunday.
Fewell was named interim HC for Panthers, whoa buddy
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heck ya !
Norv couldn't get it done with McCaffery and the backup, Allen. I am not convinced he is as good as his reputation.
CMC is DOMINATING the NFL. if they had a QB with experience they would be VERY good....it happens. barkl;ey would be utilized
Oh I see now. 14 carries for 44 yards against the Redskins. Just what the Giants need for the underperforming Barkley.
bad games happen. this isnt fucking madden. CMC leads the league in yards from scrimmage...how does that not prove norv uses him correctly? norv would be great for barkley
And what were Barkley's numbers last year? Regardless of the HC and OC, both of these RBs are outstanding. Panthers are 5-7. What were the Giants last year when Barkley had such great numbers?
That being said, the team's been a few plays away from being an over .500 team with a no-name rookie QB. Even with McCaffrey, that's still pretty impressive. Give him an elite OC, and QB that we believe Jones to be and he will do damage in a division that's been mediocre in comparison to what the NFC South has been over the past decade.
Is he better than Belichick? No. But he can definitely beat him, and that's what you need in today's NFL.
This is a match meant to be.
Just an FYI - they won one of those division titles with a scintillating 7-8-1 record.
SIGN ME UP!!!!!
Remind me, who's their QB?
Win % as a HC .546% (Shurmur is .279%)
Do it today.
Shula and Bettcher have to go too.
And what, pray tell, do you base that comment on?
is a game-changer.
The guy who is going to transform your franchise & bring a winning culture (Bill Parcells the most obvious example who did it with multiple teams), but they simply do not grow on trees. Obviously.
Then there's the "hot coordinator" route. It can work (McVay, Payton) but there are way, way more examples of miserable failures (a million to enumerate, but McAdoo and Spags are two Giants fans know well).
So the arguable next best option is to select a high floor/stabilizing type guy. Not sexy, but your Grudens, McCarthy, Jim Schwartz, Fox, and yes Ron Riviera. The relative expanses of their ceiling are uncertain, but you know they at least "belong" in the NFL holding a clipboard which is more than one can say for the 2019 NYG coaching staff.
The Giants are in such catastrophically bad shape, such a rudderless dumpster fire of a franchise, that there is a strong argument to be made that a fundamental stabilization should be paramount. When a plane is nose-diving, you avert catastrophe before worrying about climbing once more.
I don't see easy answers. This is way, way worse than Fassel to Coughlin. But those seemingly exasperated at every HC suggestion would do well to remember that once Shurmur is gone (and dear God he should be), a choice actually does need to get made. And someone out there is, if not ideal, still the least bad option. It may very well be a boring "stabilizer" type.
Do we trust Jones to make those throws?
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Handles these situations! Don’t wait till the end of the season? If the coach sucks ass and can’t hack it, you fire him. Period. And no to Riviera, we don’t need another has been.
The last has been we had was Coughlin.
That being said, the team's been a few plays away from being an over .500 team with a no-name rookie QB. Even with McCaffrey, that's still pretty impressive. Give him an elite OC, and QB that we believe Jones to be and he will do damage in a division that's been mediocre in comparison to what the NFC South has been over the past decade.
Is he better than Belichick? No. But he can definitely beat him, and that's what you need in today's NFL.
To follow your logic, does it suggest that Rivera and Turner would apply what they did with the Panthers and feature/ emphasize Barkley with a 1 on 1 matchup goal? Hey, the Panthers have/had Newton and McCaffery and the Giants have Jones and Barkley. Seems the same, n'est ce pas?
Absolutely. He'll win a few more games than Shurmur and the team most likely will remain mired in 6-10/7-9 mediocrity for a while.
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Three division titles, a Super Bowl appearance and a 15-1 record is underachieving?
Just an FYI - they won one of those division titles with a scintillating 7-8-1 record.
Bazinga!
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vibe here...and wouldn't be shocked to see it happen and they bring Rivera in.
Absolutely. He'll win a few more games than Shurmur and the team most likely will remain mired in 6-10/7-9 mediocrity for a while.
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At least Perry Fewell's defense won a Super Bowl
Do we trust Jones to make those throws?
bro...oi swear youre a fan of a different team....
what makes you think jones isnt capable? you just LOVE being fucking negative. seriously, how does anyone tolerate you in real life
what makes you think jones isnt capable? you just LOVE being fucking negative. seriously, how does anyone tolerate you in real life
Goddammit, bw, PICK UP THOSE POM-POMS!!!!
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bro...oi swear youre a fan of a different team....
what makes you think jones isnt capable? you just LOVE being fucking negative. seriously, how does anyone tolerate you in real life
Goddammit, bw, PICK UP THOSE POM-POMS!!!!
greg, i understand you are also a miserable piece of shit always, but can you let him answer as to why he is also always negative
No one is claiming Rivera is an elite HC. What he is is a very good HC who is 13 games above .500. That warrants a good look see. I'm not saying we should hire him today, but he should warrant consideration. Abso-fucking-lutely. We could do a whole lot worse.
I bet a lot of you would be saying the same damn thing if Andy Reid shook loose. "He never won a Super Bowl!" "He would be shit without an MVP like Mahomes!"
No one is claiming Rivera is an elite HC. What he is is a very good HC who is 13 games above .500. That warrants a good look see. I'm not saying we should hire him today, but he should warrant consideration. Abso-fucking-lutely. We could do a whole lot worse.
I bet a lot of you would be saying the same damn thing if Andy Reid shook loose. "He never won a Super Bowl!" "He would be shit without an MVP like Mahomes!"
i agree
Does this mean when the Giants take that L to Washington on December 22, the next day Shurmur will be given his papers?
Probably not since it will be 2 days before Christmas.
In that case, give Shurmur his papers after the L to Miami.
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Three division titles, a Super Bowl appearance and a 15-1 record is underachieving?
Just an FYI - they won one of those division titles with a scintillating 7-8-1 record.
Bazinga!
That might win the NFC East at this point.