bro...oi swear youre a fan of a different team....
what makes you think jones isnt capable? you just LOVE being fucking negative. seriously, how does anyone tolerate you in real life
Goddammit, bw, PICK UP THOSE POM-POMS!!!!
Hey Troll from LI, why dont you tell us how you really feel about Ron Rivera, for the seventh time on this thread. And, just in case you don't approve, do you have a different solution? Just a warning, I wouldn't support you as HC, in case you were going to suggest that...
It's like if we're not going to get Belichick, we shouldn't hire anyone.
No one is claiming Rivera is an elite HC. What he is is a very good HC who is 13 games above .500. That warrants a good look see. I'm not saying we should hire him today, but he should warrant consideration. Abso-fucking-lutely. We could do a whole lot worse.
I bet a lot of you would be saying the same damn thing if Andy Reid shook loose. "He never won a Super Bowl!" "He would be shit without an MVP like Mahomes!"
I agree with this.
And I'd include Garrett in this discussion. He has his warts but people talk about him like he's Richie Kotite. He's had a damn good run in Dallas. I would take very seriously the candidacy of both of these guys.
Hey Troll from LI, why dont you tell us how you really feel about Ron Rivera, for the seventh time on this thread. And, just in case you don't approve, do you have a different solution? Just a warning, I wouldn't support you as HC, in case you were going to suggest that...
Well, since you asked so nicely, I think Ron Rivera is a mediocre coach who rode an incredible Cam Newton season to a 15-1 record that distorts his actual track record.
BTW, sparky, since you're a 2018 registrant, you might want to rethink calling anyone else a troll.
is the Ernie Zampese offense. Which requires a lot of timing throws outside the hashes. And of the longer, intermediate variety...
Do we trust Jones to make those throws?
bro...oi swear youre a fan of a different team....
what makes you think jones isnt capable? you just LOVE being fucking negative. seriously, how does anyone tolerate you in real life
How is that negative? It's a possible issue.
Those type of throws aren't really Jones's strength. Those long outs which require zip and really good timing.
Thus far, Jones seems better suited for throws between the hashes, short timing routes, and go routes where he can put air under the ball.
Now, assuming all of this worked out and Norv was part of the package, maybe Turner makes adjustments and it's less of an issue. But traditionally that type of throw has been part of Turner's playbook.
potential connection going. In 1993, the Giants had their top 2 choices as Tom Coughlin and Dave Wannstedt. Coughlin stayed at Boston College because at that point, he had given 2 years to the program and felt that to be fair he needed to stay at least 3 years (he jumped to Jacksonville in 1994 to set up the football operations which didn't play a game until 1995). Wannstedt was the Cowboys DC and was the hot candidate. But he saw the dynasty that Jimmy Johnson had and didn't want to compete in division with him, so he went to Chicago.
That left Dan Reeves, with a fairly impressive resume, with the noticeable faux pas of getting blown out in Super Bowls with John Elway. But with him looking for a job, the Giants looking for a coach, they were both kind of standing around eyeing each other, until Frank Gifford played match maker. It was fun for 1993 when Reeves won the Coach of the Year and was a Mark Jackson drop from home field advantage in the playoffs.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Giants will reach out to some higher profile candidates- Harbaugh, Rhule, etc. But at the end, they will look over at Rivera, who Gettleman knows and his teams have been generally competitive and for a stretch flirted with a perfect season in 2015.
I do like the idea of getting a defensive guy in here, something which hasn't happened since Parcells.
I want the Giants to explore all options, but as I said above, I see the Reeves/ Rivera parallel. Right down to giving up on a coach we all know can't do the job after 2 years (Ray Handley).
and Gettleman worked very well together. They actually have a very similar personality, which I'm sure is just something a lot of you are looking to latch onto as a negative.
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
BTW, still waiting on that different solution part.
Different solution? Greg Roman, Kris Richard, David Saleh....hell, Matt Rhule wouldn't be my choice but I'd rather roll the dice on him than go the predictably mediocre route and have Mr. Magoo bring in his coach from Carolina.
and Gettleman worked very well together. They actually have a very similar personality, which I'm sure is just something a lot of you are looking to latch onto as a negative.
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
comparisons are off base. He failed because he wanted control of the roster, urged to have a lot of mediocre Broncos brought here, and then threw everyone else under the bus when he failed.
and Gettleman worked very well together. They actually have a very similar personality, which I'm sure is just something a lot of you are looking to latch onto as a negative.
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
I hate the sonofabitch, but if they wanted to bring in Bud Foster as DC I could live with it. Beamer's entire career was made possible by Foster's defenses.
That was just shooting the shit, BTW. The reason Foster is retiring is due to serious health issues, and he's got more skeletons in his closet than Jeffrey Dahmer, which is why he never got a head coaching offer - a big no-no for Giants' coaches.
and Gettleman worked very well together. They actually have a very similar personality, which I'm sure is just something a lot of you are looking to latch onto as a negative.
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
Interesting idea. I could get behind this, especially if Turner was part of the deal. How would Gruden suit as a fallback for OC?
I have a hard time calling a 9 year stint as HC with a plus .500 career record, SB appearance, and 2x AP Coach of the year award a "failed head coach".
Some of you are out of your minds.
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I have a hard time calling a 9 year stint as HC with a plus .500 career record, SB appearance, and 2x AP Coach of the year award a "failed head coach".
Other than the 2 time coach of the year part, you just described Jim Fassel. Ol' Jimmy only won that once.
I have a peculiar inability to find joy in a pathetic 2-10 franchise. A real odd duck, I is.
its not about finding joy in a 2-10 team. its are you ever happy with ANY move. you say kris richard....if we took him and he sucked, you would probably say jesus mara never makes a good move. you ALWAYS find something to bitch about. ALWAYS. fact is rivera is strong where we are weak, it wouldnt be a horrible hire. we could do worse (shurmur and mcadoo)
is that the Panthers had been referred to here pre-Gettleman in overwhelmingly positive ways. From building a strong LB corps, to having a QB who had done things nobody had seen before.
Then we get Gettleman, and you'd swear that franchise is like the Browns or something. I used to have to provide the counter-point that the Panthers weren't so great and would often get shit for it. Yet many of those same posters soured on Carolina in one instant - hiring Gettleman. Short memories.
6-10, 11-5, 7-9, 5-7. Never had back-to-back winning seasons in Carolina despite being the coach their for 9 full years.
I think Cam Newton playing at an MVP level really made Rivera. I hope he's not a candidate to come to NY just because he has some tie to Gettleman (who should in no way be the GM of this team going forward).
Agreed on all points.
Tend to agree. I wouldn't hate Rivera, but he's not my first choice, and I'm concerned that he'd get more consideration than is warranted because of his connection to DG.
comparisons are off base. He failed because he wanted control of the roster, urged to have a lot of mediocre Broncos brought here, and then threw everyone else under the bus when he failed.
Rivera isn't going to do that.
Fatman,
Fair point on the specifics as to why Reeves was fired. I was more going along the lines that the Giants went for a guy in Reeves with a solid NFL resume after both sides realized they needed each other (for a while at least)
I do agree with you that on the surface, Rivera could be the hire the Giants hoped to get out of Reeves, until Reeves sunk himself for clashing with Young even though he agreed to work under that system as a condition of taking the job.
Rivera shouldn't have the same issue because he worked well with Gettleman before, and I defer to your specific knowledge on how they worked as this was in your backyard.
Honestly, I think Rivera was tossed out because the new owner wants to come in and make his own imprint on the team. That's how a lot of coaches come loose, ownership changes. Rivera had the Panthers competitive using a backup QB but he's had a target on his back since last year. The Panthers actually did Rivera a favor by letting him get his name out there now and look for a job. So maybe the comparison should be Coughlin getting fired in Jacksonville and everyone knew he'd end up with the Giants. If Gettleman stays and has the say in the next coach, Rivera seems like a natural fit.
BTW, still waiting on that different solution part.
Different solution? Greg Roman, Kris Richard, David Saleh....hell, Matt Rhule wouldn't be my choice but I'd rather roll the dice on him than go the predictably mediocre route and have Mr. Magoo bring in his coach from Carolina.
1. Who is David Saleh?
2. Greg Roman and Kris Richard have no HC experience and are therefore also dice rolls. I would take Rivera's proven success over them in a heartbeat.
3. Yes I registered in 2018 but have been lurking since 2004.
I always said Fassel was somewhat better than average as HC Â
So on that we agree. I just threw that out there as a barb because so many people *COUGH-Gene-COUGH* speak of him as if he were the mutant offspring of Allie Sherman and Ray Handley.
Handles these situations! Don’t wait till the end of the season? If the coach sucks ass and can’t hack it, you fire him. Period. And no to Riviera, we don’t need another has been.
The last has been we had was Coughlin.
McAdoo and Shurmur were never was.
A lot of people though Gruden would be a has been and are now praising what is happening in Oakland.
I'm tired of fooling around with coordinators. Give me a real head coach in here again.
Point taken.. but if you can’t muster a win against the Washington Redskins this year, your not the answer.. It’s probably the reason he got fired before the actual season ended...
you're not going to win games in the NFL with Kyle Allen as your QB. doesnt matter who the coach is
and many years exp as a HC does he have? These guys are dice rolls. trust me, my number one choice is rhule, but maybe i am wrong too....maybe someone who has won in the NFL should be the guy especially with a young team.
Rivera would go a long way in fixing our defense thats for sure
That tends to be a more judicious choice for teams who are not a total dumpster fire. Robert* Saleh will almost certainly be a HC somewhere in 2020. And even then, it is frequently a complete catastrophe. Spagnuolo really looked like HC material, but his "brilliance" turned out to be Strahan/Tuck/Umenyiora. Greg Roman's "innovation" may be little more than an extension of a top 5 NFL Head Coach's acumen & competence, a la McDaniels to Belichick.
And the Giants are a dumpster fire. A truly pathetic, rudderless, circus of a team for basically 7 years now. They should favor a known floor candidate.
Which is not to say Rivera is a great choice, but he does possess a base level of HC ability. Personally, I lean toward Jim H. But I don't think the "hot coordinator" route is one the Giants should take, given the degree of their inveterate, virtual across the board failure as an NFL team at present.
I hate the sonofabitch, but if they wanted to bring in Bud Foster as DC I could live with it. Beamer's entire career was made possible by Foster's defenses.
That was just shooting the shit, BTW. The reason Foster is retiring is due to serious health issues, and he's got more skeletons in his closet than Jeffrey Dahmer, which is why he never got a head coaching offer - a big no-no for Giants' coaches.
You missed my joke in the Knicks thread about you only calling Frank "Frenchie" because Beamer is the only Frank in your heart.
But yeah, who do you want as the HC of the Giants?
Rivera is the coaching equivalent of DG and Bettcher bringing as many ex Panthers and Cardinals as possible. Familiarity doesn't guarantee success. I'd like to see the Giants really hire an up and coming DC as HC.
Didn't win Super Bowl with undrafted QB this season. Â
So on that we agree. I just threw that out there as a barb because so many people *COUGH-Gene-COUGH* speak of him as if he were the mutant offspring of Allie Sherman and Ray Handley.
Hah - I always liked Fassel.
I'd be okay with hiring Rivera - but I don't want another charade of an interview process like when we hired DG.
That tends to be a more judicious choice for teams who are not a total dumpster fire. Robert* Saleh will almost certainly be a HC somewhere in 2020. And even then, it is frequently a complete catastrophe. Spagnuolo really looked like HC material, but his "brilliance" turned out to be Strahan/Tuck/Umenyiora. Greg Roman's "innovation" may be little more than an extension of a top 5 NFL Head Coach's acumen & competence, a la McDaniels to Belichick.
And the Giants are a dumpster fire. A truly pathetic, rudderless, circus of a team for basically 7 years now. They should favor a known floor candidate.
Which is not to say Rivera is a great choice, but he does possess a base level of HC ability. Personally, I lean toward Jim H. But I don't think the "hot coordinator" route is one the Giants should take, given the degree of their inveterate, virtual across the board failure as an NFL team at present.
Well, given that statement, I'd ask you: of what value is predictable mediocrity? Rivera is a functional head coach, unlike Shurmur, and might be able to scratch out 6 or 7 wins from this roster. Does that actually do anything to improve their long-term prospects?
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bro...oi swear youre a fan of a different team....
what makes you think jones isnt capable? you just LOVE being fucking negative. seriously, how does anyone tolerate you in real life
Goddammit, bw, PICK UP THOSE POM-POMS!!!!
Hey Troll from LI, why dont you tell us how you really feel about Ron Rivera, for the seventh time on this thread. And, just in case you don't approve, do you have a different solution? Just a warning, I wouldn't support you as HC, in case you were going to suggest that...
No one is claiming Rivera is an elite HC. What he is is a very good HC who is 13 games above .500. That warrants a good look see. I'm not saying we should hire him today, but he should warrant consideration. Abso-fucking-lutely. We could do a whole lot worse.
I bet a lot of you would be saying the same damn thing if Andy Reid shook loose. "He never won a Super Bowl!" "He would be shit without an MVP like Mahomes!"
I agree with this.
And I'd include Garrett in this discussion. He has his warts but people talk about him like he's Richie Kotite. He's had a damn good run in Dallas. I would take very seriously the candidacy of both of these guys.
Well, since you asked so nicely, I think Ron Rivera is a mediocre coach who rode an incredible Cam Newton season to a 15-1 record that distorts his actual track record.
BTW, sparky, since you're a 2018 registrant, you might want to rethink calling anyone else a troll.
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is the Ernie Zampese offense. Which requires a lot of timing throws outside the hashes. And of the longer, intermediate variety...
Do we trust Jones to make those throws?
bro...oi swear youre a fan of a different team....
what makes you think jones isnt capable? you just LOVE being fucking negative. seriously, how does anyone tolerate you in real life
How is that negative? It's a possible issue.
Those type of throws aren't really Jones's strength. Those long outs which require zip and really good timing.
Thus far, Jones seems better suited for throws between the hashes, short timing routes, and go routes where he can put air under the ball.
Now, assuming all of this worked out and Norv was part of the package, maybe Turner makes adjustments and it's less of an issue. But traditionally that type of throw has been part of Turner's playbook.
BTW, still waiting on that different solution part.
That left Dan Reeves, with a fairly impressive resume, with the noticeable faux pas of getting blown out in Super Bowls with John Elway. But with him looking for a job, the Giants looking for a coach, they were both kind of standing around eyeing each other, until Frank Gifford played match maker. It was fun for 1993 when Reeves won the Coach of the Year and was a Mark Jackson drop from home field advantage in the playoffs.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Giants will reach out to some higher profile candidates- Harbaugh, Rhule, etc. But at the end, they will look over at Rivera, who Gettleman knows and his teams have been generally competitive and for a stretch flirted with a perfect season in 2015.
I do like the idea of getting a defensive guy in here, something which hasn't happened since Parcells.
I want the Giants to explore all options, but as I said above, I see the Reeves/ Rivera parallel. Right down to giving up on a coach we all know can't do the job after 2 years (Ray Handley).
Don't 99% of coaches fail at their last job? Isn't that why it's their last job?
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
BTW, still waiting on that different solution part.
Different solution? Greg Roman, Kris Richard, David Saleh....hell, Matt Rhule wouldn't be my choice but I'd rather roll the dice on him than go the predictably mediocre route and have Mr. Magoo bring in his coach from Carolina.
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
Me too.
Rivera isn't going to do that.
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and Gettleman worked very well together. They actually have a very similar personality, which I'm sure is just something a lot of you are looking to latch onto as a negative.
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
Me too.
NOOO we need to lose out....
I'll ask nicer than that guy, but I'm curious about this myself, Greg. Who do you want as the next HC of the Giants?
I mean, aside from Frank Beamer :)
They "worked very well together..."
Gee, who would have guessed...
Well, in that case, what the Giants will lack in talent, they'll make up for with arrogance.
They "worked very well together..."
Gee, who would have guessed...
You are also looking at a guy who hates the Panthers, yet still respected Rivera.
Unlike the guy who once spoke of Snyder glowingly....
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at a surprise appearance form the leader of the DGFC and his call to hire Rivera.
They "worked very well together..."
Gee, who would have guessed...
You are also looking at a guy who hates the Panthers, yet still respected Rivera.
Unlike the guy who once spoke of Snyder glowingly....
bw and greg hate everything. im surprised they are able to find any joy in their daily lives
I hate the sonofabitch, but if they wanted to bring in Bud Foster as DC I could live with it. Beamer's entire career was made possible by Foster's defenses.
That was just shooting the shit, BTW. The reason Foster is retiring is due to serious health issues, and he's got more skeletons in his closet than Jeffrey Dahmer, which is why he never got a head coaching offer - a big no-no for Giants' coaches.
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
I have a hard time calling a 9 year stint as HC with a plus .500 career record, SB appearance, and 2x AP Coach of the year award a "failed head coach".
Some of you are out of your minds.
Other than the 2 time coach of the year part, you just described Jim Fassel. Ol' Jimmy only won that once.
its not about finding joy in a 2-10 team. its are you ever happy with ANY move. you say kris richard....if we took him and he sucked, you would probably say jesus mara never makes a good move. you ALWAYS find something to bitch about. ALWAYS. fact is rivera is strong where we are weak, it wouldnt be a horrible hire. we could do worse (shurmur and mcadoo)
Then we get Gettleman, and you'd swear that franchise is like the Browns or something. I used to have to provide the counter-point that the Panthers weren't so great and would often get shit for it. Yet many of those same posters soured on Carolina in one instant - hiring Gettleman. Short memories.
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6-10, 11-5, 7-9, 5-7. Never had back-to-back winning seasons in Carolina despite being the coach their for 9 full years.
I think Cam Newton playing at an MVP level really made Rivera. I hope he's not a candidate to come to NY just because he has some tie to Gettleman (who should in no way be the GM of this team going forward).
Agreed on all points.
Tend to agree. I wouldn't hate Rivera, but he's not my first choice, and I'm concerned that he'd get more consideration than is warranted because of his connection to DG.
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Come at me bro.
Rivera is 'fine' to me. Low floor. He'd be fine, but uninspiring.
Rivera isn't going to do that.
Fatman,
Fair point on the specifics as to why Reeves was fired. I was more going along the lines that the Giants went for a guy in Reeves with a solid NFL resume after both sides realized they needed each other (for a while at least)
I do agree with you that on the surface, Rivera could be the hire the Giants hoped to get out of Reeves, until Reeves sunk himself for clashing with Young even though he agreed to work under that system as a condition of taking the job.
Rivera shouldn't have the same issue because he worked well with Gettleman before, and I defer to your specific knowledge on how they worked as this was in your backyard.
Honestly, I think Rivera was tossed out because the new owner wants to come in and make his own imprint on the team. That's how a lot of coaches come loose, ownership changes. Rivera had the Panthers competitive using a backup QB but he's had a target on his back since last year. The Panthers actually did Rivera a favor by letting him get his name out there now and look for a job. So maybe the comparison should be Coughlin getting fired in Jacksonville and everyone knew he'd end up with the Giants. If Gettleman stays and has the say in the next coach, Rivera seems like a natural fit.
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on this website I make up for with common sense.
BTW, still waiting on that different solution part.
Different solution? Greg Roman, Kris Richard, David Saleh....hell, Matt Rhule wouldn't be my choice but I'd rather roll the dice on him than go the predictably mediocre route and have Mr. Magoo bring in his coach from Carolina.
1. Who is David Saleh?
2. Greg Roman and Kris Richard have no HC experience and are therefore also dice rolls. I would take Rivera's proven success over them in a heartbeat.
3. Yes I registered in 2018 but have been lurking since 2004.
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Handles these situations! Don’t wait till the end of the season? If the coach sucks ass and can’t hack it, you fire him. Period. And no to Riviera, we don’t need another has been.
The last has been we had was Coughlin.
McAdoo and Shurmur were never was.
A lot of people though Gruden would be a has been and are now praising what is happening in Oakland.
I'm tired of fooling around with coordinators. Give me a real head coach in here again.
Point taken.. but if you can’t muster a win against the Washington Redskins this year, your not the answer.. It’s probably the reason he got fired before the actual season ended...
you're not going to win games in the NFL with Kyle Allen as your QB. doesnt matter who the coach is
and many years exp as a HC does he have? These guys are dice rolls. trust me, my number one choice is rhule, but maybe i am wrong too....maybe someone who has won in the NFL should be the guy especially with a young team.
Rivera would go a long way in fixing our defense thats for sure
You mean Robert Saleh? - ( New Window )
And the Giants are a dumpster fire. A truly pathetic, rudderless, circus of a team for basically 7 years now. They should favor a known floor candidate.
Which is not to say Rivera is a great choice, but he does possess a base level of HC ability. Personally, I lean toward Jim H. But I don't think the "hot coordinator" route is one the Giants should take, given the degree of their inveterate, virtual across the board failure as an NFL team at present.
to be fair, he's been in a division with a hall of fame QB (Brees), hall of fame coach (Sean P) and a potential Great (matt ryan)
we can't finish over 500 and we play in a division with the Redskins!!
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I mean, aside from Frank Beamer :)
I hate the sonofabitch, but if they wanted to bring in Bud Foster as DC I could live with it. Beamer's entire career was made possible by Foster's defenses.
That was just shooting the shit, BTW. The reason Foster is retiring is due to serious health issues, and he's got more skeletons in his closet than Jeffrey Dahmer, which is why he never got a head coaching offer - a big no-no for Giants' coaches.
You missed my joke in the Knicks thread about you only calling Frank "Frenchie" because Beamer is the only Frank in your heart.
But yeah, who do you want as the HC of the Giants?
This is what a lot of you sound like. So ridiculous.
Hah - I always liked Fassel.
I'd be okay with hiring Rivera - but I don't want another charade of an interview process like when we hired DG.
Sure, whatever. Anyways, thanks for engaging with a 2018er!
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It would be fitting to hang it on the side of the tuna can that Meh Life is.
And the Giants are a dumpster fire. A truly pathetic, rudderless, circus of a team for basically 7 years now. They should favor a known floor candidate.
Which is not to say Rivera is a great choice, but he does possess a base level of HC ability. Personally, I lean toward Jim H. But I don't think the "hot coordinator" route is one the Giants should take, given the degree of their inveterate, virtual across the board failure as an NFL team at present.
Well, given that statement, I'd ask you: of what value is predictable mediocrity? Rivera is a functional head coach, unlike Shurmur, and might be able to scratch out 6 or 7 wins from this roster. Does that actually do anything to improve their long-term prospects?