when we are excited about the idea of hiring a coach who failed in his last job.
explain "failed"
some say Belichick has failed because he's had shitty drafts and shitty free agent signings. and although they play in the worst division in football AND has the the greatest QB off all time, has only won 6 superbowls out of the 20 years brady's been there
He also couldn't win the Super Bowl with 9 or 10 Pro Bowlers, including the 2015 NFL MVP.
Yeah man, it's tough to win a Super Bowl, I guess. I can't say for sure because I've never been a coach, but it seems like it's a hard thing to do.
Boy is it fucking exhausting reading posts from you and Go Terps everyday. Rather go through 100 2-14 seasons that live with either of you miserable fucks
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He also couldn't win the Super Bowl with 9 or 10 Pro Bowlers, including the 2015 NFL MVP.
PLAYERS PLAY. the pro bowlers play like pre schoolers...everyone blames the coach for EVERYTHING. cam not jumping on a fumble is RR fault? the OL getting OWNED by von miller is RR fault>? the players play dude
and Gettleman worked very well together. They actually have a very similar personality, which I'm sure is just something a lot of you are looking to latch onto as a negative.
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
you're here too so you hear the noise. not saying i want Ron (cause I'd rather have someone offensive minded)....
but Panther fans had unrealistic expectations with Cam out.
Luke looks slower this year. Olsen is slower. They really miss the leadership of Thomas Davis. Shaq Thompson is just a whole bunch of potential. WRs are inexperienced
and Gettleman worked very well together. They actually have a very similar personality, which I'm sure is just something a lot of you are looking to latch onto as a negative.
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
His defense stinks this year...
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He also couldn't win the Super Bowl with 9 or 10 Pro Bowlers, including the 2015 NFL MVP.
Yeah man, it's tough to win a Super Bowl, I guess. I can't say for sure because I've never been a coach, but it seems like it's a hard thing to do.
Boy is it fucking exhausting reading posts from you and Go Terps everyday. Rather go through 100 2-14 seasons that live with either of you miserable fucks
finally someone agrees with me on this. him and terps are fucking UNBEARABLE
RE: RE: RE: Didn't win Super Bowl with undrafted QB this season. Â
Boy is it fucking exhausting reading posts from you and Go Terps everyday. Rather go through 100 2-14 seasons that live with either of you miserable fucks
Christ, you're not going to start sobbing again, are you?
RE: Didn't win Super Bowl with undrafted QB this season. Â
Boy is it fucking exhausting reading posts from you and Go Terps everyday. Rather go through 100 2-14 seasons that live with either of you miserable fucks
Christ, you're not going to start sobbing again, are you?
You just called someone that signed up in 2018 a troll, yet you're bringing up something from 2009.
It's like me making a jorts joke about you. Joke is a decade old. Get some new material.
standard of a "failed" coach would have eliminated Coughlin. Would have eliminated Pete Carroll and Bill Belicheck.
Would have eliminated Marv Levy. Andy Reid. Jon Gruden. Bruce Arians.
exactly....rivera is BY FAR better than mcadoo and shurmur. he is less of a risk than rhule, fleck, richard, or any other hot young coach or coordinator. i want rhule, but i dont think rivera is a bad hire
it really shouldn't have anything to do with the GM.
Rivera could be a solid choice no matter who the GM is. Gettleman never hired him in Carolina. You bring his strength in D in and pair it with Norv to get more production out of Barkley and that could be a winning combination with DG or with a different GM.
Somehow this will probably get warped into being the "familiar Giants way" if Rivera is hired.
but everyone keeps talking about Norv coming in to run the O. What kind of contract does Norv have? Couldn't the new HC want Norv to stay on and run the O in Carolina?
and Gettleman worked very well together. They actually have a very similar personality, which I'm sure is just something a lot of you are looking to latch onto as a negative.
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
is underselling Rivera. He is a reasonably capable NFL HC. This is known.
Would Roman or Salah be even that? Unknown. I'd be more inclined to gamble on them if the Giants were not in catastrophically bad shape with arguably ZERO elite players on the roster. But they could be completely useless as head coaches just like [insert the scores of examples of good OC/DC failing miserably as head coaches].
The point is that a choice does need to be made once Shurmur is gone (God willing...) And there are no "gotta have him" candidates out there. Even if Cowher wanted back in, he hasn't coached in 13 years.
A known floor candidate is the least bad option for the 2019/20 NYG given how bad things are. Not an argument for Rivera specifically (nor would he be my choice), but focus should be on that "type", not the hot coordinator.
I think he's probably the best we'll be able to land if Gettleman is still in charge and on shaky ground. With the number of NFL openings likely to be available this season the Giants aren't exactly the belle of the ball.
You might think that the Giants don't look like the Belle of the Ball but there is nothing like winning in NY -- the rewards are much more lucrative than most other places and the Giants are one of the premier teams in Sports.
when we are excited about the idea of hiring a coach who failed in his last job.
Belichick failed at his last job before the Pats.
Coughlin failed at his last job before the Giants.
Jon Gruden failed at his last job before the Bucs.
Just a few examples off top of my head.
Not comparing RR to them, but your point isn't valid.
when we are excited about the idea of hiring a coach who failed in his last job.
Belichick failed at his last job before the Pats.
Coughlin failed at his last job before the Giants.
Jon Gruden failed at his last job before the Bucs.
Just a few examples off top of my head.
Not comparing RR to them, but your point isn't valid.
I thought Belichick did just fine in his 1 day as HC of the NYJ.
when we are excited about the idea of hiring a coach who failed in his last job.
Belichick failed at his last job before the Pats.
Coughlin failed at his last job before the Giants.
Jon Gruden failed at his last job before the Bucs.
Just a few examples off top of my head.
Not comparing RR to them, but your point isn't valid.
I thought Belichick did just fine in his 1 day as HC of the NYJ.
when we are excited about the idea of hiring a coach who failed in his last job.
Belichick failed at his last job before the Pats.
Coughlin failed at his last job before the Giants.
Jon Gruden failed at his last job before the Bucs.
Just a few examples off top of my head.
Not comparing RR to them, but your point isn't valid.
Excellent point. And in keeping with Gettleman's stated philosophy of building to run, and stop the run, Rivera fits the bill and he and Gettleman know they can work together. I tend to be in the keep DG camp. So I sincerely hope RR comes over and brings Norv. Now I am NOT excited to see a certain former DC back in NY, but we will see.
we could do a lot worse than Rivera. Solid. Experienced. Has a Coughlin-like feel to it. Won't excite most of the fan base, but sometimes the new shiny toy can also backfire.
I'm torn on it. I'm to the point that anything but Shurmur sounds good to me.
but everyone keeps talking about Norv coming in to run the O. What kind of contract does Norv have? Couldn't the new HC want Norv to stay on and run the O in Carolina?
this is a good point. if rivera were hired it is not an automatic that norv would be coming here.
but, those saying rivera couldn't win the SB with 9-10 pro-bowlers. come on now. we know cam choked that game away.
cam is mentally soft, always has been. now, after going vegan, he is physically soft too.
i'd date rivera over either of mccarthy, garrett, saleh. probably roman. only guy who interests me more is ruhle.
What did Greg Roman ever do before Lamar Jackson started tearing up the league?
Who here wanted to hire him after his San Francisco or Buffalo tenures?
Roman is a run-first offensive coordinator. In every year he ran San Francisco's offense, they were 8th, 4th, 3rd, and 4th. He built an offense around the players they had and maximized the passing and running talent of the QB.
And he's doing the same thing in Baltimore now.
RE: If I was the Giants GM, Rivera would be on the sidelines Monday night Â
Boy is it fucking exhausting reading posts from you and Go Terps everyday. Rather go through 100 2-14 seasons that live with either of you miserable fucks
The miserable thing is being a Giants fan. The only thing that divides us is our tolerance for delusion.
Some of you pom-pom types act like we are the reason the team sucks. It's like blaming the weatherman when it rains.
explain "failed"
some say Belichick has failed because he's had shitty drafts and shitty free agent signings. and although they play in the worst division in football AND has the the greatest QB off all time, has only won 6 superbowls out of the 20 years brady's been there
You're welcome! Maybe you can spend another 14 years thinking of something interesting to say.
He also couldn't win the Super Bowl with 9 or 10 Pro Bowlers, including the 2015 NFL MVP.
You mean like Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll or Tom Coughlin
I believe they were all fired at one point, or at many points.
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He also couldn't win the Super Bowl with 9 or 10 Pro Bowlers, including the 2015 NFL MVP.
Yeah man, it's tough to win a Super Bowl, I guess. I can't say for sure because I've never been a coach, but it seems like it's a hard thing to do.
Boy is it fucking exhausting reading posts from you and Go Terps everyday. Rather go through 100 2-14 seasons that live with either of you miserable fucks
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He also couldn't win the Super Bowl with 9 or 10 Pro Bowlers, including the 2015 NFL MVP.
PLAYERS PLAY. the pro bowlers play like pre schoolers...everyone blames the coach for EVERYTHING. cam not jumping on a fumble is RR fault? the OL getting OWNED by von miller is RR fault>? the players play dude
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
you're here too so you hear the noise. not saying i want Ron (cause I'd rather have someone offensive minded)....
but Panther fans had unrealistic expectations with Cam out.
Luke looks slower this year. Olsen is slower. They really miss the leadership of Thomas Davis. Shaq Thompson is just a whole bunch of potential. WRs are inexperienced
And Kyle Allen is some trash
Not sure what Ron couldve done different
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
His defense stinks this year...
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He also couldn't win the Super Bowl with 9 or 10 Pro Bowlers, including the 2015 NFL MVP.
Yeah man, it's tough to win a Super Bowl, I guess. I can't say for sure because I've never been a coach, but it seems like it's a hard thing to do.
Boy is it fucking exhausting reading posts from you and Go Terps everyday. Rather go through 100 2-14 seasons that live with either of you miserable fucks
finally someone agrees with me on this. him and terps are fucking UNBEARABLE
Christ, you're not going to start sobbing again, are you?
This is what a lot of you sound like. So ridiculous.
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Boy is it fucking exhausting reading posts from you and Go Terps everyday. Rather go through 100 2-14 seasons that live with either of you miserable fucks
Christ, you're not going to start sobbing again, are you?
You just called someone that signed up in 2018 a troll, yet you're bringing up something from 2009.
It's like me making a jorts joke about you. Joke is a decade old. Get some new material.
you wear jorts greg? ah makes sense now lol
Would have eliminated Marv Levy. Andy Reid. Jon Gruden. Bruce Arians.
Would have eliminated Marv Levy. Andy Reid. Jon Gruden. Bruce Arians.
exactly....rivera is BY FAR better than mcadoo and shurmur. he is less of a risk than rhule, fleck, richard, or any other hot young coach or coordinator. i want rhule, but i dont think rivera is a bad hire
If you want to fire Gettleman, you’ll want no part of Rivera.
Enough of these labels. We need a great coach. Who cares what his mindset is as long as he comes in here and kicks ass.
Rivera is probably about average. Not a knock as there are a lot of bad HCs out there. We can do worse and we can possibly do better.
If you want to fire Gettleman, you’ll want no part of Rivera.
eh thats not necessarily true. id be fine if we part with DG, but i still think riveras strengths would fix our biggest weakness
Rivera could be a solid choice no matter who the GM is. Gettleman never hired him in Carolina. You bring his strength in D in and pair it with Norv to get more production out of Barkley and that could be a winning combination with DG or with a different GM.
Somehow this will probably get warped into being the "familiar Giants way" if Rivera is hired.
Outside of that one fluke 15-1 season when Newton was MVP, Rivera is a sub-.500 coach
People are desparate, that's how bad its gotten. Even jump for a hc step up from shumey. Desparation. Not smart
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and Gettleman worked very well together. They actually have a very similar personality, which I'm sure is just something a lot of you are looking to latch onto as a negative.
Fun fact - the Panthers have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. Even Rivera couldn't do it with Cam.
I'm torn on him, but he does seem to have strengths right now in places we have weaknesses. He's an excellent defensive mind. He's been good at developing talent and developing coaches. And bringing in Norv elevated CMC's game. We could use a boost on D and in utilizing Saquon.
I don't often support bold moves, but I'd fire Shurmur and hire Rivera now.
Me too.
Me 3
but he had rodgers....you gave rivera shit for having an MVP...so does mccarthy get a knock?
yea but rodgers>>>>>>>cam and it isnt even close...
I dont want mccarthy, i want rhule but as mentioned i dont think rivera is a bad hire
Would Roman or Salah be even that? Unknown. I'd be more inclined to gamble on them if the Giants were not in catastrophically bad shape with arguably ZERO elite players on the roster. But they could be completely useless as head coaches just like [insert the scores of examples of good OC/DC failing miserably as head coaches].
The point is that a choice does need to be made once Shurmur is gone (God willing...) And there are no "gotta have him" candidates out there. Even if Cowher wanted back in, he hasn't coached in 13 years.
A known floor candidate is the least bad option for the 2019/20 NYG given how bad things are. Not an argument for Rivera specifically (nor would he be my choice), but focus should be on that "type", not the hot coordinator.
You might think that the Giants don't look like the Belle of the Ball but there is nothing like winning in NY -- the rewards are much more lucrative than most other places and the Giants are one of the premier teams in Sports.
the facts are that all three of them have had teams that folded when the pressure was on the line
Belichick failed at his last job before the Pats.
Coughlin failed at his last job before the Giants.
Jon Gruden failed at his last job before the Bucs.
Just a few examples off top of my head.
Not comparing RR to them, but your point isn't valid.
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when we are excited about the idea of hiring a coach who failed in his last job.
Belichick failed at his last job before the Pats.
Coughlin failed at his last job before the Giants.
Jon Gruden failed at his last job before the Bucs.
Just a few examples off top of my head.
Not comparing RR to them, but your point isn't valid.
I thought Belichick did just fine in his 1 day as HC of the NYJ.
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when we are excited about the idea of hiring a coach who failed in his last job.
Belichick failed at his last job before the Pats.
Coughlin failed at his last job before the Giants.
Jon Gruden failed at his last job before the Bucs.
Just a few examples off top of my head.
Not comparing RR to them, but your point isn't valid.
I thought Belichick did just fine in his 1 day as HC of the NYJ.
Haha
If you want to fire Gettleman, you’ll want no part of Rivera.
I think this is probably true. From a Gettleman standpoint, it seems too good to be true.
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when we are excited about the idea of hiring a coach who failed in his last job.
Belichick failed at his last job before the Pats.
Coughlin failed at his last job before the Giants.
Jon Gruden failed at his last job before the Bucs.
Just a few examples off top of my head.
Not comparing RR to them, but your point isn't valid.
Shurmur failed at his last job before the Giants.
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If you want to fire Gettleman, you’ll want no part of Rivera.
Who here wanted to hire him after his San Francisco or Buffalo tenures?
Also, if he’s such a genius, why do the Ravens need analytics guys phoning down to Harbaugh what plays to run?
Roman feels like he could be the next Adam Gase.
I'm torn on it. I'm to the point that anything but Shurmur sounds good to me.
this is a good point. if rivera were hired it is not an automatic that norv would be coming here.
but, those saying rivera couldn't win the SB with 9-10 pro-bowlers. come on now. we know cam choked that game away.
cam is mentally soft, always has been. now, after going vegan, he is physically soft too.
i'd date rivera over either of mccarthy, garrett, saleh. probably roman. only guy who interests me more is ruhle.
That being said, I'm kind of hoping for a clean sweep from the head on down.
Would have eliminated Marv Levy. Andy Reid. Jon Gruden. Bruce Arians.
Bingo.
Who here wanted to hire him after his San Francisco or Buffalo tenures?
Roman is a run-first offensive coordinator. In every year he ran San Francisco's offense, they were 8th, 4th, 3rd, and 4th. He built an offense around the players they had and maximized the passing and running talent of the QB.
And he's doing the same thing in Baltimore now.
Yep.
I get the point.. but that is really low class. Something Jerry Jones would do.
The miserable thing is being a Giants fan. The only thing that divides us is our tolerance for delusion.
Some of you pom-pom types act like we are the reason the team sucks. It's like blaming the weatherman when it rains.