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wma31 : 12/3/2019 3:11 pm
Per their official Twitter.
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RE: And as for Rivera, no interest here  
BleedBlue : 12/3/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14701772 Go Terps said:
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Nothing against him, but he isn't fixing this team's issues.


what a shock. who do you want to be the next head coach? jesus for the love of god i hope it happens so you can stop constantly crying.
if someone handed you a million cash you would probably bitch that it wasnt in singles
RE: And as for Rivera, no interest here  
CY2020 : 12/3/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14701772 Go Terps said:
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Nothing against him, but he isn't fixing this team's issues.


Ron Rivera is the favorite to become next Giants HC.

He's a Defensive Head Coach who is committed to complementary football. That fits Gettleman's vision. He worked under Gettleman in Carolina, so they would work well together.

Rivera just makes too much sense for NYG.
Bleedblue  
Go Terps : 12/3/2019 5:41 pm : link
You feel like being a Giants fan is similar to someone handing you a million dollars in cash?
RE: And as for Rivera, no interest here  
bw in dc : 12/3/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14701772 Go Terps said:
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Nothing against him, but he isn't fixing this team's issues.


Per FMiC, Rivera and DG worked well together.

Does that change your mind? ;)
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ryanmkeane : 12/3/2019 5:45 pm : link
Not really sure if I’d be totally stoked with Rivera but what I think I know is a few things: he would be about 178 times better than Shurmur, he’s got championship level experience, he can lead a locker room, and he’s not a pussy. All that being said, he hasn’t exactly lit it up in Carolina. But he’s been fairly good and has got them contending for the division title nearly every single season.
RE: RE: And as for Rivera, no interest here  
Go Terps : 12/3/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14701783 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14701772 Go Terps said:


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Nothing against him, but he isn't fixing this team's issues.



Per FMiC, Rivera and DG worked well together.

Does that change your mind? ;)


I'd rather have the guy that fired Rivera calling the shots here.
Couple of points if the new HC is Rivera...  
JohnF : 12/3/2019 5:51 pm : link
1) Hard Knocks (I'm presuming the Giants win that honor) is going to be interesting.

2) It makes the return of OBJ to the Meadowlands VERY interesting. Perhaps the Giants can give away 25,000 bats as "souvenirs" that day, similar to Yankee Bat Day!

Of course, that could be dangerous:

Impact of Yankee Stadium Bat Day on blunt trauma in northern New York City
RE: Bleedblue  
BleedBlue : 12/3/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14701780 Go Terps said:
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You feel like being a Giants fan is similar to someone handing you a million dollars in cash?


lol/. no my point is youre never happy...you consistently bitch and moan about every choice. i have never ONCE heard you say that was a smart move. you consistently never have ANYTHING positive to say.
RE: RE: Bleedblue  
Go Terps : 12/3/2019 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14701793 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14701780 Go Terps said:


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You feel like being a Giants fan is similar to someone handing you a million dollars in cash?



lol/. no my point is youre never happy...you consistently bitch and moan about every choice. i have never ONCE heard you say that was a smart move. you consistently never have ANYTHING positive to say.


What is there that's positive to say about this team?

The Giants have been, objectively, one of the worst organizations in the NFL since 2013. That's not an opinion...it's a fact.

We both want the team to be better and compete, so we're not all that different in that way. The difference is that you are more willing to kid yourself into thinking things that will make you believe the Giants are doing well. I can't do that, I'm sorry. When I see a plane crash into a mountain, I don't tell myself the passengers are all OK.
Rivera is a coach  
ajr2456 : 12/3/2019 6:14 pm : link
that will keep you in purgatory. Good enough to be competitive but never be bad - but not good enough to win in today's NFL.
RE: Rivera is a coach  
beatrixkiddo : 12/3/2019 6:18 pm : link
In comment 14701817 ajr2456 said:
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that will keep you in purgatory. Good enough to be competitive but never be bad - but not good enough to win in today's NFL.


Which sadly would be a huge improvement over our last two coaches.
RE: RE: Rivera is a coach  
ajr2456 : 12/3/2019 6:20 pm : link
In comment 14701822 beatrixkiddo said:
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that will keep you in purgatory. Good enough to be competitive but never be bad - but not good enough to win in today's NFL.



Which sadly would be a huge improvement over our last two coaches.


While true, they need to hit a home run not a triple. They have to be ready to compete by the time Barkley is due for his next contract.
RE: RE: Perry Fewell named interim  
compton : 12/3/2019 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14701421 Anakim said:
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Bwahahahaha. I mean he has experience as an interim HC, but bwahahahahaha


What's so funny? Is he any worse that who is coaching the current Giants?
Ugh  
AndyMilligan : 12/3/2019 6:26 pm : link
I think he's an uninspired choice which means this is exactly what will happen
Wait, he doesn't know how to win in today's NFL?  
Britt in VA : 12/3/2019 6:31 pm : link
He was 15-1 and in the Superbowl a couple years ago? WTF?

And if that was all Cam Newton, which is undoubtedly the next response, why isn't Cam Newton doing that every year?
RE: This is simple-  
christian : 12/3/2019 6:33 pm : link
In comment 14701691 Sean said:
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If you want to retain Gettleman, you’ll love the idea of Rivera.

If you want to fire Gettleman, you’ll want no part of Rivera.


Or, stated differently, if you feel football operations are fundamentally broken in the Meadowlands, two guys from the current school of thinking don't portend change.
christian & Sean  
Go Terps : 12/3/2019 6:36 pm : link
Exactly. Rivera's fine as a head coach, but simply replacing Shurmur isn't going to turn things around. Shurmur is a very poor coach, but he isn't the problem with this team.
Only on BBI  
Chef : 12/3/2019 6:40 pm : link
can we have at 220 and counting post on the potential of Ron Rivera, an in season fired head coach, of Carolina, becoming the next coach of the Giants. This is how bad and desperate the Giants Fan base have become...so sad...
I'm down for hiring Rivera just to watch the meltdown some posters  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/3/2019 6:42 pm : link
would have here. Regardless, I'd be onboard with Rivera, I think he could be our Coughlin.
RE: Only on BBI  
Britt in VA : 12/3/2019 6:43 pm : link
In comment 14701844 Chef said:
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can we have at 220 and counting post on the potential of Ron Rivera, an in season fired head coach, of Carolina, becoming the next coach of the Giants. This is how bad and desperate the Giants Fan base have become...so sad...


Some think he got a raw deal. If you believe Fatman and the buzz on Gettleman's surprise firing, Richardson is a more meddling owner that you believe Mara to be.

That said, good coaches meet bad ends. Happens all the time. A lot of guys didn't want a retread in Coughlin for the same reasons.

This is a guy that has been successful at every stop. He's 58. Lots of time to grow and evolve.
RE: Only on BBI  
Chris684 : 12/3/2019 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14701844 Chef said:
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can we have at 220 and counting post on the potential of Ron Rivera, an in season fired head coach, of Carolina, becoming the next coach of the Giants. This is how bad and desperate the Giants Fan base have become...so sad...


Only on BBI can we have morons acting like Ron Rivera is a “failed” head coach.

Oh no, he was fired!

There is a long list of coaches even better than him that have been fired but I guess they’re failures too.

There's nothing wrong with a retread  
Go Terps : 12/3/2019 6:55 pm : link
The problem with hiring Rivera is it means Gettleman is still here, and the archaic structure that's actually the problem remains.

The incompetence doesn't leave with Shurmur, and Rivera probably isn't good enough to overcome it either.

If we're hiring Rivera to come in and rebuild the organization as a CEO-type head coach, I'm all ears. He seems like a smart guy. If we're bringing him in to work with Gettleman in the same silo'd head coach/GM roles, then we'll be a little better than we are now but that's it.
RE: RE: Only on BBI  
Chef : 12/3/2019 6:57 pm : link
In comment 14701849 Britt in VA said:
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can we have at 220 and counting post on the potential of Ron Rivera, an in season fired head coach, of Carolina, becoming the next coach of the Giants. This is how bad and desperate the Giants Fan base have become...so sad...



Some think he got a raw deal. If you believe Fatman and the buzz on Gettleman's surprise firing, Richardson is a more meddling owner that you believe Mara to be.

That said, good coaches meet bad ends. Happens all the time. A lot of guys didn't want a retread in Coughlin for the same reasons.

This is a guy that has been successful at every stop. He's 58. Lots of time to grow and evolve.


I agree and I understand.. I would not be opposed to the prospect of Rivera.. but holy shit... yes Shurmur is getting canned, he must.. but this calamity, in this thread proves just how bad the Giants have become... an absolute joke.. and deservedly right...
RE: RE: Only on BBI  
Chef : 12/3/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14701855 Chris684 said:
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can we have at 220 and counting post on the potential of Ron Rivera, an in season fired head coach, of Carolina, becoming the next coach of the Giants. This is how bad and desperate the Giants Fan base have become...so sad...



Only on BBI can we have morons acting like Ron Rivera is a “failed” head coach.

Oh no, he was fired!

There is a long list of coaches even better than him that have been fired but I guess they’re failures too.


Cocksucker, point out where I said he was a failed head coach?
Rivera seems like he is getting canned because the new owner  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/3/2019 6:59 pm : link
wants to get his own guy in there. They've had issues at QB the last few years now with Cam's declining health. Him getting fired may be serendipitous for us.
Wouldn’t be against hiring him  
ron mexico : 12/3/2019 7:03 pm : link
At least we know he should last more than two years.
Wait. 3 winning seasons in 9 years w Cam as the QB  
map7711 : 12/3/2019 7:03 pm : link
And this is our guy? When did he become such a great coach? Where they hell did this come from?
From my buddy who is a panther fan  
BleedBlue : 12/3/2019 7:03 pm : link
a friend of mine is a die hard and he thionks rivera would be perfect for us obviously because of DG. he isnt "happy" today with the firing, but he understands the new owner wants a different guy.

he said he liked RR and felt a lot of what was going on was blamed on him but he thinks thats BS. he isnt an overly knowledgable fan, but he is realistic and feels winning with allen isnt an easy task. he posted on facebook about it and his friends who are also fans seemed pretty split on the firing. several did agree that it might have been a timing thing and thjat RR isnt at fault for this year. ALL of them on the post agreed norv has done a great job. my buddy feels we would be lucky to have both.

just figured id pass it along.
Rivera (with Norv Turner) would be a very good fit for the Giants.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/3/2019 7:06 pm : link
I want to do a larger search, but Rivera would very much be among my leading candidates. 90% of the complaints I see here are from people who think anyone without a Super Bowl win isn't a good coach, hence the Jim Fassel nonsense on BBI.
Resume  
Britt in VA : 12/3/2019 7:07 pm : link
2x AP Coach of the year
15-1 season and Superbowl appearance
3 Division Titles in 8 years
4 playoff appearances in 8 years.

Defensive Coordinator for an awesome Chicago Bears Defense and a Superbowl Appearance there.
Defensive Coordinator for the Chargers which was a good enough showing to get him a head coach job.

This guy has the credentials. And whether you love or hate Dave Gettleman, they've worked together, think highly of each other, and collaborated for a 15-1 Superbowl Campaign.

C'mon guys, this is a godsend right now. A touched by the hand of godsend if you will :)
It's like the football gods throwing us a bone, here....  
Britt in VA : 12/3/2019 7:08 pm : link
This was meant to be!
Personally, I’m not even arguing  
Chris684 : 12/3/2019 7:10 pm : link
that the Giants SHOULD hire him.

I’m arguing that it’s laughable there are people who don’t think Rivera is a really solid head coach worthy of consideration for other openings across the league.
RE: I've happen to watch a decent amount of Panther games over the years  
NINEster : 12/3/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14701515 Eli2020 said:
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I felt Cam Newton was both a catapult and handicap to Rivera. They essentially had to dumb down their entire scheme to mimic what Cam ran at Auburn. The problem with that is it doesn't allow for adapatability or many in-game adjustments, and relies heavily on winning 1-on-1 battles. If you don't have the talent on the field, it doesn't work.

That being said, the team's been a few plays away from being an over .500 team with a no-name rookie QB. Even with McCaffrey, that's still pretty impressive. Give him an elite OC, and QB that we believe Jones to be and he will do damage in a division that's been mediocre in comparison to what the NFC South has been over the past decade.

Is he better than Belichick? No. But he can definitely beat him, and that's what you need in today's NFL.


Rivera is 2-0 against Belichick winning in 2013 and 2017, home and then away.
RE: Rivera (with Norv Turner) would be a very good fit for the Giants.  
adamg : 12/3/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14701874 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I want to do a larger search, but Rivera would very much be among my leading candidates. 90% of the complaints I see here are from people who think anyone without a Super Bowl win isn't a good coach, hence the Jim Fassel nonsense on BBI.


Indeed. I'm on board for this.
I understand some of the reservations about Rivera  
Matt M. : 12/3/2019 7:16 pm : link
when we talk about being of the same school of thought as the GM, who some view as a negative. What I don't get are the blanket comments that suggestRivera is not a winning coach. He has a winning record, won 3 straight division titles, and went to a SB. He may not be your choice, but a loser he is not.
RE: While we’re at it..  
NINEster : 12/3/2019 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14701747 Chris684 said:
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What did Greg Roman ever do before Lamar Jackson started tearing up the league?

Who here wanted to hire him after his San Francisco or Buffalo tenures?

Also, if he’s such a genius, why do the Ravens need analytics guys phoning down to Harbaugh what plays to run?

Roman feels like he could be the next Adam Gase.


Roman knows running really well. He could give Kyle Shanahan a run for the money there possibly.

The issue is he never understood passing concepts very well.

If you go all in on him without having the type of players and QB the Ravens have, it would be a mistake.

The 49ers had quite a bit of offensive talent, but even as much of a running team as they were didn't run it like the Ravens do now.
I don't get the fascination w/ Harbaugh  
ColHowPepper : 12/3/2019 7:19 pm : link
He took a lucrative package, a sinecure for his mid-life, and made UMich a kind of meh top 15 college competitor with all the jewels recruits could want.

Now, those who kiss his arse want to see him take another six or seven digit sinecure to re-create himself into the Giants' Saviour? No fuggin way

Same with Garrett, Jerrah's garbage who has lived off the talented careers of his OC and DC.
RE: christian & Sean  
christian : 12/3/2019 7:24 pm : link
In comment 14701841 Go Terps said:
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Exactly. Rivera's fine as a head coach, but simply replacing Shurmur isn't going to turn things around. Shurmur is a very poor coach, but he isn't the problem with this team.


The Giants must conduct a thorough analysis of the football operations. Inclusive of ownership input, general management, operations, strategy etc.

It takes virtually no acumen to know if you're on the verge of the 3rd coach in 4 years something more than coaching is wrong.

Rivera is a better coach than Shurmur, and the Giants will win more games if he's the coach. Rivera is not a good enough coach to beat what's rotten in the building.
Also, just for some extra perspective....  
Britt in VA : 12/3/2019 7:25 pm : link
Ron Rivera's team has made the playoffs 4 out of the last 6 years. He was coach of the year TWICE in that span.

He can't win in today's NFL? Are you f-cking kidding me?
I wonder if Dallas would be interested in Rivera  
Sean : 12/3/2019 7:27 pm : link
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RE: I wonder if Dallas would be interested in Rivera  
Britt in VA : 12/3/2019 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14701899 Sean said:
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That's why we've gotta move now!

Seriously, if the Giants don't make this move, then I'll think they're incompetent.

This is the move. Make it.
RE: RE: I wonder if Dallas would be interested in Rivera  
BleedBlue : 12/3/2019 7:31 pm : link
In comment 14701900 Britt in VA said:
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That's why we've gotta move now!

Seriously, if the Giants don't make this move, then I'll think they're incompetent.

This is the move. Make it.


NO WAY they do it before seasons end. i do expect them to interview him though once shurmur gone
RE: RE: I wonder if Dallas would be interested in Rivera  
christian : 12/3/2019 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14701900 Britt in VA said:
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That's why we've gotta move now!

Seriously, if the Giants don't make this move, then I'll think they're incompetent.

This is the move. Make it.


You believe the Giants should hire a head coach who was literally just fired, without doing a thorough evaluation of management and ownership's role in the current, deep mess the team is in?

I mean, you are pretty good at predicting the ridiculous things the Giants do, so I suspect you are right.
RE: I wonder if Dallas would be interested in Rivera  
Go Terps : 12/3/2019 7:32 pm : link
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Dave Dameshek's most recent Athletic podcast includes an interview with a Dallas beat writer, and they discussed who could potentially replace Garrett. He seemed to think Jones will go for big air...even suggesting he should start by approaching Belichick. But beyond that he cited a couple interesting connections to college coaches...Lincoln Riley and Chris Peterson. Apparently Riley got to know Jones during recruiting for his grandson, a QB at Arkansas (Jones's alma mater). As for Peterson, Dallas has a recent history of drafting Boise State guys: Moore, Lawrence, Scandrick, Van Der Esch...there's a connection there.
Don’t we want a coach  
Metnut : 12/3/2019 7:33 pm : link
who was able to pull off back to back winning seasons at least once?
RE: I wonder if Dallas would be interested in Rivera  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/3/2019 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14701899 Sean said:
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I doubt that's sexy enough for Jerry. He'd be in the Lincoln Riley/Jim Harbaugh/Urban Meyer neighborhood.
If Dallas is interested in Rivera (which I doubt),  
Go Terps : 12/3/2019 7:34 pm : link
he'd be a fool to pick NYG over them. And he doesn't seem like a fool to me.
Time for DG and Rivera to saddle up again  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/3/2019 7:34 pm : link
immediately fire Sumer tommorrow and hire Riverboat Ron.
RE: That's really the perfect slogan for the Giants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/3/2019 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14701613 Greg from LI said:
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They should put it up in huge letters on the outside of the stadium:

NEW YORK GIANTS FOOTBALL: IT COULD BE WORSE


LMAO
Terps, I'm surprised you don't love this move....  
Britt in VA : 12/3/2019 7:38 pm : link
This guy Lamar Jackson'd the league before Lamar was even a thing.
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