Nothing against him, but he isn't fixing this team's issues.
what a shock. who do you want to be the next head coach? jesus for the love of god i hope it happens so you can stop constantly crying.
if someone handed you a million cash you would probably bitch that it wasnt in singles
Nothing against him, but he isn't fixing this team's issues.
Ron Rivera is the favorite to become next Giants HC.
He's a Defensive Head Coach who is committed to complementary football. That fits Gettleman's vision. He worked under Gettleman in Carolina, so they would work well together.
Not really sure if I’d be totally stoked with Rivera but what I think I know is a few things: he would be about 178 times better than Shurmur, he’s got championship level experience, he can lead a locker room, and he’s not a pussy. All that being said, he hasn’t exactly lit it up in Carolina. But he’s been fairly good and has got them contending for the division title nearly every single season.
1) Hard Knocks (I'm presuming the Giants win that honor) is going to be interesting.
2) It makes the return of OBJ to the Meadowlands VERY interesting. Perhaps the Giants can give away 25,000 bats as "souvenirs" that day, similar to Yankee Bat Day!
You feel like being a Giants fan is similar to someone handing you a million dollars in cash?
lol/. no my point is youre never happy...you consistently bitch and moan about every choice. i have never ONCE heard you say that was a smart move. you consistently never have ANYTHING positive to say.
You feel like being a Giants fan is similar to someone handing you a million dollars in cash?
lol/. no my point is youre never happy...you consistently bitch and moan about every choice. i have never ONCE heard you say that was a smart move. you consistently never have ANYTHING positive to say.
What is there that's positive to say about this team?
The Giants have been, objectively, one of the worst organizations in the NFL since 2013. That's not an opinion...it's a fact.
We both want the team to be better and compete, so we're not all that different in that way. The difference is that you are more willing to kid yourself into thinking things that will make you believe the Giants are doing well. I can't do that, I'm sorry. When I see a plane crash into a mountain, I don't tell myself the passengers are all OK.
If you want to retain Gettleman, you’ll love the idea of Rivera.
If you want to fire Gettleman, you’ll want no part of Rivera.
Or, stated differently, if you feel football operations are fundamentally broken in the Meadowlands, two guys from the current school of thinking don't portend change.
Exactly. Rivera's fine as a head coach, but simply replacing Shurmur isn't going to turn things around. Shurmur is a very poor coach, but he isn't the problem with this team.
can we have at 220 and counting post on the potential of Ron Rivera, an in season fired head coach, of Carolina, becoming the next coach of the Giants. This is how bad and desperate the Giants Fan base have become...so sad...
I'm down for hiring Rivera just to watch the meltdown some posters Â
can we have at 220 and counting post on the potential of Ron Rivera, an in season fired head coach, of Carolina, becoming the next coach of the Giants. This is how bad and desperate the Giants Fan base have become...so sad...
Some think he got a raw deal. If you believe Fatman and the buzz on Gettleman's surprise firing, Richardson is a more meddling owner that you believe Mara to be.
That said, good coaches meet bad ends. Happens all the time. A lot of guys didn't want a retread in Coughlin for the same reasons.
This is a guy that has been successful at every stop. He's 58. Lots of time to grow and evolve.
can we have at 220 and counting post on the potential of Ron Rivera, an in season fired head coach, of Carolina, becoming the next coach of the Giants. This is how bad and desperate the Giants Fan base have become...so sad...
Only on BBI can we have morons acting like Ron Rivera is a “failed” head coach.
Oh no, he was fired!
There is a long list of coaches even better than him that have been fired but I guess they’re failures too.
The problem with hiring Rivera is it means Gettleman is still here, and the archaic structure that's actually the problem remains.
The incompetence doesn't leave with Shurmur, and Rivera probably isn't good enough to overcome it either.
If we're hiring Rivera to come in and rebuild the organization as a CEO-type head coach, I'm all ears. He seems like a smart guy. If we're bringing him in to work with Gettleman in the same silo'd head coach/GM roles, then we'll be a little better than we are now but that's it.
can we have at 220 and counting post on the potential of Ron Rivera, an in season fired head coach, of Carolina, becoming the next coach of the Giants. This is how bad and desperate the Giants Fan base have become...so sad...
Some think he got a raw deal. If you believe Fatman and the buzz on Gettleman's surprise firing, Richardson is a more meddling owner that you believe Mara to be.
That said, good coaches meet bad ends. Happens all the time. A lot of guys didn't want a retread in Coughlin for the same reasons.
This is a guy that has been successful at every stop. He's 58. Lots of time to grow and evolve.
I agree and I understand.. I would not be opposed to the prospect of Rivera.. but holy shit... yes Shurmur is getting canned, he must.. but this calamity, in this thread proves just how bad the Giants have become... an absolute joke.. and deservedly right...
can we have at 220 and counting post on the potential of Ron Rivera, an in season fired head coach, of Carolina, becoming the next coach of the Giants. This is how bad and desperate the Giants Fan base have become...so sad...
Only on BBI can we have morons acting like Ron Rivera is a “failed” head coach.
Oh no, he was fired!
There is a long list of coaches even better than him that have been fired but I guess they’re failures too.
Cocksucker, point out where I said he was a failed head coach?
Rivera seems like he is getting canned because the new owner Â
wants to get his own guy in there. They've had issues at QB the last few years now with Cam's declining health. Him getting fired may be serendipitous for us.
a friend of mine is a die hard and he thionks rivera would be perfect for us obviously because of DG. he isnt "happy" today with the firing, but he understands the new owner wants a different guy.
he said he liked RR and felt a lot of what was going on was blamed on him but he thinks thats BS. he isnt an overly knowledgable fan, but he is realistic and feels winning with allen isnt an easy task. he posted on facebook about it and his friends who are also fans seemed pretty split on the firing. several did agree that it might have been a timing thing and thjat RR isnt at fault for this year. ALL of them on the post agreed norv has done a great job. my buddy feels we would be lucky to have both.
just figured id pass it along.
Rivera (with Norv Turner) would be a very good fit for the Giants. Â
I want to do a larger search, but Rivera would very much be among my leading candidates. 90% of the complaints I see here are from people who think anyone without a Super Bowl win isn't a good coach, hence the Jim Fassel nonsense on BBI.
2x AP Coach of the year
15-1 season and Superbowl appearance
3 Division Titles in 8 years
4 playoff appearances in 8 years.
Defensive Coordinator for an awesome Chicago Bears Defense and a Superbowl Appearance there.
Defensive Coordinator for the Chargers which was a good enough showing to get him a head coach job.
This guy has the credentials. And whether you love or hate Dave Gettleman, they've worked together, think highly of each other, and collaborated for a 15-1 Superbowl Campaign.
C'mon guys, this is a godsend right now. A touched by the hand of godsend if you will :)
It's like the football gods throwing us a bone, here.... Â
I’m arguing that it’s laughable there are people who don’t think Rivera is a really solid head coach worthy of consideration for other openings across the league.
RE: I've happen to watch a decent amount of Panther games over the years Â
I felt Cam Newton was both a catapult and handicap to Rivera. They essentially had to dumb down their entire scheme to mimic what Cam ran at Auburn. The problem with that is it doesn't allow for adapatability or many in-game adjustments, and relies heavily on winning 1-on-1 battles. If you don't have the talent on the field, it doesn't work.
That being said, the team's been a few plays away from being an over .500 team with a no-name rookie QB. Even with McCaffrey, that's still pretty impressive. Give him an elite OC, and QB that we believe Jones to be and he will do damage in a division that's been mediocre in comparison to what the NFC South has been over the past decade.
Is he better than Belichick? No. But he can definitely beat him, and that's what you need in today's NFL.
Rivera is 2-0 against Belichick winning in 2013 and 2017, home and then away.
RE: Rivera (with Norv Turner) would be a very good fit for the Giants. Â
I want to do a larger search, but Rivera would very much be among my leading candidates. 90% of the complaints I see here are from people who think anyone without a Super Bowl win isn't a good coach, hence the Jim Fassel nonsense on BBI.
Indeed. I'm on board for this.
I understand some of the reservations about Rivera Â
when we talk about being of the same school of thought as the GM, who some view as a negative. What I don't get are the blanket comments that suggestRivera is not a winning coach. He has a winning record, won 3 straight division titles, and went to a SB. He may not be your choice, but a loser he is not.
He took a lucrative package, a sinecure for his mid-life, and made UMich a kind of meh top 15 college competitor with all the jewels recruits could want.
Now, those who kiss his arse want to see him take another six or seven digit sinecure to re-create himself into the Giants' Saviour? No fuggin way
Same with Garrett, Jerrah's garbage who has lived off the talented careers of his OC and DC.
Exactly. Rivera's fine as a head coach, but simply replacing Shurmur isn't going to turn things around. Shurmur is a very poor coach, but he isn't the problem with this team.
The Giants must conduct a thorough analysis of the football operations. Inclusive of ownership input, general management, operations, strategy etc.
It takes virtually no acumen to know if you're on the verge of the 3rd coach in 4 years something more than coaching is wrong.
Rivera is a better coach than Shurmur, and the Giants will win more games if he's the coach. Rivera is not a good enough coach to beat what's rotten in the building.
Seriously, if the Giants don't make this move, then I'll think they're incompetent.
This is the move. Make it.
You believe the Giants should hire a head coach who was literally just fired, without doing a thorough evaluation of management and ownership's role in the current, deep mess the team is in?
I mean, you are pretty good at predicting the ridiculous things the Giants do, so I suspect you are right.
RE: I wonder if Dallas would be interested in Rivera Â
Dave Dameshek's most recent Athletic podcast includes an interview with a Dallas beat writer, and they discussed who could potentially replace Garrett. He seemed to think Jones will go for big air...even suggesting he should start by approaching Belichick. But beyond that he cited a couple interesting connections to college coaches...Lincoln Riley and Chris Peterson. Apparently Riley got to know Jones during recruiting for his grandson, a QB at Arkansas (Jones's alma mater). As for Peterson, Dallas has a recent history of drafting Boise State guys: Moore, Lawrence, Scandrick, Van Der Esch...there's a connection there.
what a shock. who do you want to be the next head coach? jesus for the love of god i hope it happens so you can stop constantly crying.
if someone handed you a million cash you would probably bitch that it wasnt in singles
Ron Rivera is the favorite to become next Giants HC.
He's a Defensive Head Coach who is committed to complementary football. That fits Gettleman's vision. He worked under Gettleman in Carolina, so they would work well together.
Rivera just makes too much sense for NYG.
Per FMiC, Rivera and DG worked well together.
Does that change your mind? ;)
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Nothing against him, but he isn't fixing this team's issues.
Per FMiC, Rivera and DG worked well together.
Does that change your mind? ;)
I'd rather have the guy that fired Rivera calling the shots here.
2) It makes the return of OBJ to the Meadowlands VERY interesting. Perhaps the Giants can give away 25,000 bats as "souvenirs" that day, similar to Yankee Bat Day!
Of course, that could be dangerous:
Impact of Yankee Stadium Bat Day on blunt trauma in northern New York City
lol/. no my point is youre never happy...you consistently bitch and moan about every choice. i have never ONCE heard you say that was a smart move. you consistently never have ANYTHING positive to say.
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You feel like being a Giants fan is similar to someone handing you a million dollars in cash?
lol/. no my point is youre never happy...you consistently bitch and moan about every choice. i have never ONCE heard you say that was a smart move. you consistently never have ANYTHING positive to say.
What is there that's positive to say about this team?
The Giants have been, objectively, one of the worst organizations in the NFL since 2013. That's not an opinion...it's a fact.
We both want the team to be better and compete, so we're not all that different in that way. The difference is that you are more willing to kid yourself into thinking things that will make you believe the Giants are doing well. I can't do that, I'm sorry. When I see a plane crash into a mountain, I don't tell myself the passengers are all OK.
Which sadly would be a huge improvement over our last two coaches.
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that will keep you in purgatory. Good enough to be competitive but never be bad - but not good enough to win in today's NFL.
Which sadly would be a huge improvement over our last two coaches.
While true, they need to hit a home run not a triple. They have to be ready to compete by the time Barkley is due for his next contract.
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Bwahahahaha. I mean he has experience as an interim HC, but bwahahahahaha
What's so funny? Is he any worse that who is coaching the current Giants?
And if that was all Cam Newton, which is undoubtedly the next response, why isn't Cam Newton doing that every year?
If you want to fire Gettleman, you’ll want no part of Rivera.
Or, stated differently, if you feel football operations are fundamentally broken in the Meadowlands, two guys from the current school of thinking don't portend change.
Some think he got a raw deal. If you believe Fatman and the buzz on Gettleman's surprise firing, Richardson is a more meddling owner that you believe Mara to be.
That said, good coaches meet bad ends. Happens all the time. A lot of guys didn't want a retread in Coughlin for the same reasons.
This is a guy that has been successful at every stop. He's 58. Lots of time to grow and evolve.
Only on BBI can we have morons acting like Ron Rivera is a “failed” head coach.
Oh no, he was fired!
There is a long list of coaches even better than him that have been fired but I guess they’re failures too.
The incompetence doesn't leave with Shurmur, and Rivera probably isn't good enough to overcome it either.
If we're hiring Rivera to come in and rebuild the organization as a CEO-type head coach, I'm all ears. He seems like a smart guy. If we're bringing him in to work with Gettleman in the same silo'd head coach/GM roles, then we'll be a little better than we are now but that's it.
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can we have at 220 and counting post on the potential of Ron Rivera, an in season fired head coach, of Carolina, becoming the next coach of the Giants. This is how bad and desperate the Giants Fan base have become...so sad...
Some think he got a raw deal. If you believe Fatman and the buzz on Gettleman's surprise firing, Richardson is a more meddling owner that you believe Mara to be.
That said, good coaches meet bad ends. Happens all the time. A lot of guys didn't want a retread in Coughlin for the same reasons.
This is a guy that has been successful at every stop. He's 58. Lots of time to grow and evolve.
I agree and I understand.. I would not be opposed to the prospect of Rivera.. but holy shit... yes Shurmur is getting canned, he must.. but this calamity, in this thread proves just how bad the Giants have become... an absolute joke.. and deservedly right...
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can we have at 220 and counting post on the potential of Ron Rivera, an in season fired head coach, of Carolina, becoming the next coach of the Giants. This is how bad and desperate the Giants Fan base have become...so sad...
Only on BBI can we have morons acting like Ron Rivera is a “failed” head coach.
Oh no, he was fired!
There is a long list of coaches even better than him that have been fired but I guess they’re failures too.
Cocksucker, point out where I said he was a failed head coach?
he said he liked RR and felt a lot of what was going on was blamed on him but he thinks thats BS. he isnt an overly knowledgable fan, but he is realistic and feels winning with allen isnt an easy task. he posted on facebook about it and his friends who are also fans seemed pretty split on the firing. several did agree that it might have been a timing thing and thjat RR isnt at fault for this year. ALL of them on the post agreed norv has done a great job. my buddy feels we would be lucky to have both.
just figured id pass it along.
15-1 season and Superbowl appearance
3 Division Titles in 8 years
4 playoff appearances in 8 years.
Defensive Coordinator for an awesome Chicago Bears Defense and a Superbowl Appearance there.
Defensive Coordinator for the Chargers which was a good enough showing to get him a head coach job.
This guy has the credentials. And whether you love or hate Dave Gettleman, they've worked together, think highly of each other, and collaborated for a 15-1 Superbowl Campaign.
C'mon guys, this is a godsend right now. A touched by the hand of godsend if you will :)
I’m arguing that it’s laughable there are people who don’t think Rivera is a really solid head coach worthy of consideration for other openings across the league.
That being said, the team's been a few plays away from being an over .500 team with a no-name rookie QB. Even with McCaffrey, that's still pretty impressive. Give him an elite OC, and QB that we believe Jones to be and he will do damage in a division that's been mediocre in comparison to what the NFC South has been over the past decade.
Is he better than Belichick? No. But he can definitely beat him, and that's what you need in today's NFL.
Rivera is 2-0 against Belichick winning in 2013 and 2017, home and then away.
Indeed. I'm on board for this.
Who here wanted to hire him after his San Francisco or Buffalo tenures?
Also, if he’s such a genius, why do the Ravens need analytics guys phoning down to Harbaugh what plays to run?
Roman feels like he could be the next Adam Gase.
Roman knows running really well. He could give Kyle Shanahan a run for the money there possibly.
The issue is he never understood passing concepts very well.
If you go all in on him without having the type of players and QB the Ravens have, it would be a mistake.
The 49ers had quite a bit of offensive talent, but even as much of a running team as they were didn't run it like the Ravens do now.
Now, those who kiss his arse want to see him take another six or seven digit sinecure to re-create himself into the Giants' Saviour? No fuggin way
Same with Garrett, Jerrah's garbage who has lived off the talented careers of his OC and DC.
The Giants must conduct a thorough analysis of the football operations. Inclusive of ownership input, general management, operations, strategy etc.
It takes virtually no acumen to know if you're on the verge of the 3rd coach in 4 years something more than coaching is wrong.
Rivera is a better coach than Shurmur, and the Giants will win more games if he's the coach. Rivera is not a good enough coach to beat what's rotten in the building.
He can't win in today's NFL? Are you f-cking kidding me?
That's why we've gotta move now!
Seriously, if the Giants don't make this move, then I'll think they're incompetent.
This is the move. Make it.
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That's why we've gotta move now!
Seriously, if the Giants don't make this move, then I'll think they're incompetent.
This is the move. Make it.
NO WAY they do it before seasons end. i do expect them to interview him though once shurmur gone
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That's why we've gotta move now!
Seriously, if the Giants don't make this move, then I'll think they're incompetent.
This is the move. Make it.
You believe the Giants should hire a head coach who was literally just fired, without doing a thorough evaluation of management and ownership's role in the current, deep mess the team is in?
I mean, you are pretty good at predicting the ridiculous things the Giants do, so I suspect you are right.
Dave Dameshek's most recent Athletic podcast includes an interview with a Dallas beat writer, and they discussed who could potentially replace Garrett. He seemed to think Jones will go for big air...even suggesting he should start by approaching Belichick. But beyond that he cited a couple interesting connections to college coaches...Lincoln Riley and Chris Peterson. Apparently Riley got to know Jones during recruiting for his grandson, a QB at Arkansas (Jones's alma mater). As for Peterson, Dallas has a recent history of drafting Boise State guys: Moore, Lawrence, Scandrick, Van Der Esch...there's a connection there.
I doubt that's sexy enough for Jerry. He'd be in the Lincoln Riley/Jim Harbaugh/Urban Meyer neighborhood.
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