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Is Young a better prospect than when Myles Garrett came out?

NJBlueTuna : 12/3/2019 7:23 pm
I think I saw where Sy feels Young will grade out as a higher prospect than when Myles Garrett entered the draft. Some other here seem less glowing on Young being a generational talent.

Just curious what the talent evaluators here think? Is Young just the best edge in this draft or one of the best of the past 10 drafts coming out of college?
I’m interested in this too?  
JoeyBigBlue : 12/3/2019 7:33 pm : link
How does he compare to the big Edge rushers of the last 20 seasons?

We’re talking

N. Bosa
M. Garrett
J. Bosa
J. Clowney
K. Mack
V. Miller
M. Williams
J. Peppers

I’m sure I’m missing a few. But these are the big time prospects I remember coming out of college.
You don’t need generational talent  
JesseS : 12/3/2019 7:36 pm : link
If he’s 85% of any of those guys, it’s a win.
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BleedBlue : 12/3/2019 7:43 pm : link
i think he is up there with all of those guys. in 5 years, he will be another name on the list of successful NFL edge players. I think he is going to test insanely well at combine....
The people who are less glowing are the people  
barens : 12/3/2019 7:45 pm : link
who watched a handful of plays against Michigan and came to the conclusion that he's not a once in a generational talent.

It's a tough answer, because Garrett is/ and was no slouch, but I think Young affects the game more than Garrett ever did. Young is better against the run, and from the games I've watched, he hustles like crazy.

The only thing left, for me, is how is he going to do against top SEC competition, which is what Garrett had to face week in and week out. My sense is that he's going to be a monster in the playoffs, and I can't wait to watch.
I don't think Sy said Young is better than Garrett  
Giantsfan79 : 12/3/2019 7:49 pm : link
Sy said that Young was on track to grade out as the highest defensive player he's graded since Myles Garrett.
No expert but I feel he is more physically gifted then the Bosas  
George from PA : 12/3/2019 7:55 pm : link
But Heart is not something I can measure.....i hope he has their same heart.
RE: I don't think Sy said Young is better than Garrett  
NJBlueTuna : 12/3/2019 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14701926 Giantsfan79 said:
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Sy said that Young was on track to grade out as the highest defensive player he's graded since Myles Garrett.


That isn’t what I said....I said I recall Sy stating Young will grade out higher than Garrett dis coming out.

I always thought the last edge which graded higher than Garret in the past 20 years was Julius Peppers. So it Young will grade out higher than Garrett come draft time, that is some prospect.
From what I've seen...  
AdamBrag : 12/3/2019 7:57 pm : link
A better prospect then Garrett, a similar prospect to Clowney.

I don't think he is as much of a slam dunk safe pick as either Bosa brother.

I think his upside is higher then any the players that I mentioned.
RE: No expert but I feel he is more physically gifted then the Bosas  
NJBlueTuna : 12/3/2019 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14701932 George from PA said:
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But Heart is not something I can measure.....i hope he has their same heart.


Bosas are physically gifted but their technique coming out was incredibly advanced for college players.
I may be crazy but I don't see elite burst from Young  
Eric on Li : 12/3/2019 7:58 pm : link
he seems to win a lot with his hands and body position. Not saying he's not a great prospect - it's hard to argue the production - but I think some of the comps to other recent prospects may end up being hyperbole once we get to the combine + draft. At the Opening when he was a HS recruit he barely broke 5.0 in the 40 at like 220 pounds. He's gained like 40 pounds since then so a lot has changed, will be interesting how he performs athletically at the combine.
Reading all these posts....  
NJBlueTuna : 12/3/2019 8:00 pm : link
How the heck is Burrows going to go #1? Lol
RE: You don�t need generational talent  
V.I.G. : 12/3/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14701914 JesseS said:
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If he�s 85% of any of those guys, it�s a win.

If he’s 85% you trade down
He's like a greased cannonball  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/3/2019 8:05 pm : link
shot at the QB. Best ER prospect since LT. Every olinemen is basically doing this against him.

I think Young is a great prospect  
Rjanyg : 12/3/2019 8:08 pm : link
He had an excellent get off in a 2,3 or 4 point stance. Plays the pass and run equally well.

Plays very hard, maybe not as much in the beginning of the Michigan game but toward the end he was bringing it.

He will look very good in Blue.
RE: Reading all these posts....  
FStubbs : 12/3/2019 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14701939 NJBlueTuna said:
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How the heck is Burrows going to go #1? Lol


He looks like a franchise QB.
Young is sort of like  
Strahan91 : 12/3/2019 8:16 pm : link
a Bosa/Garrett hybrid. He’s more explosive and is a better athlete than the Bosa brothers. He’s not as advanced technically as they were coming out but he’s probably more advanced there than Garrett. I’d say Garrett is like a little bit of a better athlete. Overall he very well might be the best edge prospect we’ve seen in a long time. Maybe since Von Miller
i think  
AndyMilligan : 12/3/2019 8:18 pm : link
he is the product of genetic engineering. A little LT, Jim Brown, Mark Spitz, Jim Thorpe and a little Albert Einstein thrown in for good measure.

There is a rumor on the dark web that he can turn liquid into solids just by staring at it.

He was touched by God's pinky which means he is a certainty to be a generational gold jacket guy, unless he is drafted by the Giants in which case he will always be hurt and stink until we trade him and he becomes an All-Pro.

This is gospel.
RE: I don't think Sy said Young is better than Garrett  
Jim from Katonah : 12/3/2019 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14701926 Giantsfan79 said:
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Sy said that Young was on track to grade out as the highest defensive player he's graded since Myles Garrett.


Sy also said DeShone Kizer and Nathan Peterman were better than Mahomes etc etc. His scouting success rate is pretty shaky.
RE: RE: I don't think Sy said Young is better than Garrett  
Strahan91 : 12/3/2019 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14701969 Jim from Katonah said:
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In comment 14701926 Giantsfan79 said:


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Sy said that Young was on track to grade out as the highest defensive player he's graded since Myles Garrett.



Sy also said DeShone Kizer and Nathan Peterman were better than Mahomes etc etc. His scouting success rate is pretty shaky.

Oh so like the rest of the football world?
RE: RE: RE: I don't think Sy said Young is better than Garrett  
Jim from Katonah : 12/3/2019 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14701971 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 14701969 Jim from Katonah said:


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In comment 14701926 Giantsfan79 said:


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Sy said that Young was on track to grade out as the highest defensive player he's graded since Myles Garrett.



Sy also said DeShone Kizer and Nathan Peterman were better than Mahomes etc etc. His scouting success rate is pretty shaky.


Oh so like the rest of the football world?


Yes, so take it all with a big grain of salt. I respect Sy’s effort and ambition, but it ain’t science.
RE: RE: I don't think Sy said Young is better than Garrett  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/3/2019 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14701969 Jim from Katonah said:
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In comment 14701926 Giantsfan79 said:


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Sy said that Young was on track to grade out as the highest defensive player he's graded since Myles Garrett.



Sy also said DeShone Kizer and Nathan Peterman were better than Mahomes etc etc. His scouting success rate is pretty shaky.

I can see Young grading higher than others, he is more flawless and checks off more boxes. Bosas might have the same ceiling, but his floor is lower with things like injury and durability concerns.
The Bigger Picture  
looie : 12/3/2019 8:37 pm : link
While it would be nice to have someone like Young, the larger truth is that this team needs so much help in so many different areas that it may be counter- productive to focus on just one player. The Giants may be better off trading down with this pick and getting a package of picks with perhaps a quality veteran player as part of the deal.
RE: RE: RE: I don't think Sy said Young is better than Garrett  
Jim from Katonah : 12/3/2019 8:37 pm : link
In comment 14701975 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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In comment 14701969 Jim from Katonah said:


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In comment 14701926 Giantsfan79 said:


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Sy said that Young was on track to grade out as the highest defensive player he's graded since Myles Garrett.



Sy also said DeShone Kizer and Nathan Peterman were better than Mahomes etc etc. His scouting success rate is pretty shaky.


I can see Young grading higher than others, he is more flawless and checks off more boxes. Bosas might have the same ceiling, but his floor is lower with things like injury and durability concerns.


A bit off topic but my 2 nephews played at a big public high school in Florida and played against both Bosas. Both as tight ends trying to block those monsters. They said Nick Bosa was a solid 250lbs — as a 9th GRADER — and they both recounted stories of being rag dolled by them. One of the nephews is actually pretty big too, played at Johns Hopkins — and he said he was actually scared of a 9th grade Nick.
IMO yes  
Nine-Tails : 12/3/2019 8:49 pm : link
Garret was a superior athlete, but Young is the better player. As a prospect, he’s better than the Bosas, and I think only Clowney surpassed him in hype, though that’s cause Clowneys a freak, but Young’s a better pass rusher.

The people, there are several, who aren’t giving glowing opinions just saw either a handful of snaps against Michigan or the box score. Also, every player has an off game, so really don’t know how some can make judgements about him.

DG said his mother could’ve scouted Barkley, well the same for Young
My question on Young:  
No Where Man : 12/3/2019 8:53 pm : link
Is he a leader. Is he capable of being able to rally his teammates to play better and demand their best effort on every play?
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David B. : 12/3/2019 10:33 pm : link
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My question on Young:
No Where Man : 8:53 pm : link : reply
Is he a leader.


Osi wasn't a leader. I'd take an Osi right now in a heartbeat.
RE: Reading all these posts....  
Leg of Theismann : 12/4/2019 1:53 am : link
In comment 14701939 NJBlueTuna said:
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How the heck is Burrows going to go #1? Lol


He looks like a Franchise QB and the Bengals (front runners for the #1 overall pick) need a franchise QB, with Dalton aging (and mediocre to begin with) and the fact they just benched their young dude because he’s not the guy. Usually the combination of need for and availability of a franchise QB (who will likely win the Heisman and quite possibly the national championship) results in a perfect choice for #1 overall.

Similar situation as when Barkley blew everyone away as a prospect but the Browns still had to pick their franchise QB at #1, EVEN with another pick available at #4 and what was believed to be a draft with 5 possible franchise QBs. I know Young is a pass rusher and not a RB but still I I doubt the Bengals pass on Burrow if they have the #1 pick. Sets up perfectly for the Giants to take the guy that we hope will turn our defense around.
The only time I saw him  
Jay in Toronto : 12/4/2019 3:26 am : link
He has his way with an OL that is easily top 10

The Badgers claimed that they saw some schemes they never saw before.

I guess a lot of us will be watching Saturday night.
Yes  
jeff57 : 12/4/2019 5:27 am : link
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RE: RE:  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/4/2019 6:23 am : link
In comment 14702075 David B. said:
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My question on Young:
No Where Man : 8:53 pm : link : reply
Is he a leader.



Osi wasn't a leader. I'd take an Osi right now in a heartbeat.


If you spend a 1st or 2nd overall pick on Osi you're a fool.
Let me rephrase that: IMO spending a 1st or second  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/4/2019 6:26 am : link
overall draft pick on a player who will perform like Osi would be a very foolish draft selection.
I'm far from a personnel analyst,  
Section331 : 12/4/2019 9:18 am : link
but Young looks better to me than Garrett or either of the Bosa's. I think he has an elite first step, but is strong enough to bull rush if his speed doesn't get him home. I don't know if I've seen a college DL use his hands as well at such an early age as Young.

I think he's the best player in the draft, and it's not close.
I asked Dan on yge Athletic  
George from PA : 12/4/2019 9:37 am : link
Dane Brugler
@George H. Garrett was freakier and the Bosa's were more advanced with their technique. But Young has the highest upside of them all because he is a freak himself and his pass rush mechanics are just a notch below. He is so well-rounded plus he works at it. He isn't a guy who just relies on his natural talent - he's grinding in the film room and hones his craft. Special player and I hate using the word "special" because it gets overused.
RE: Let me rephrase that: IMO spending a 1st or second  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/4/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14702185 BlueLou'sBack said:
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overall draft pick on a player who will perform like Osi would be a very foolish draft selection.

I didn't like the Osi pick back then, thought Accorsi was a dummy, we already have pass rushers, we have other holes!
'Is Young a better prospect than when Myles Garrett came out?'  
Torrag : 12/4/2019 1:54 pm : link
It's pretty close. I'd say their grades will be comparable. Perhaps a very slight edge to Young. I like how he pursues the play after initial contact better than Garrett.
I can see I'll be in the minority here,  
Oskie : 12/4/2019 1:56 pm : link
I've watched every OSU game this year (I'm a buckeye), and while Young has had an amazing year pressuring and sacking the QB (other than against that blue team up north), I see a player that takes a lot of plays off (almost every play to the opposite side), and loses contain on the edge at least 50% of the time. Perhaps those are not his responsibilities? I realize he missed 2 games, but, He's fifth on the team in total tackles (38), 4th for solo tackles (27), but leads the team in tackles for loss (19.5) and obviously sacks 16.5). I seem to remember the Bosa's playing the run as well as rushing the edge, not sure Young is as adept at that. Can't compare to Garrett, didn't see him play much in college.

anyway, I'm not a talent evaluator and this probably another case of do the opposite of what I say, but other than his sacks, he doesn't seem to do a lot more elsewhere????
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