at +200
Cleveland is second at +350.
To me, this seems like an obvious hire assuming Shurmur gets the axe...a proven commodity, 2 time AP coach of the year, 3 time NFC south champ, and NFC champ in 2016. He is the "CEO" type of head coach that we've all been looking for since TC. Look at the ringing endorsements he's gotten from players like Cam, Olsen
Also, some will likely point to his age and hope that the Giants opt for one of the young, flashy coordinators instead. I will point out that Rivera will be the same age next season as Coughlin was when he was hired in 04'.
Gettleman is infected with the "Giants Way" virus. I'm sure Rivera was exposed to it in Charlotte. So it's going to be an easy sell for Gettleman to go to Mara and say "this guy is one of us."
And Mara will stick out his glass, Gettleman will pour the Kool Aid, and they will toast to the "Giants Way"!
And the circular error will continue...
Gettleman is infected with the "Giants Way" virus. I'm sure Rivera was exposed to it in Charlotte. So it's going to be an easy sell for Gettleman to go to Mara and say "this guy is one of us."
And Mara will stick out his glass, Gettleman will pour the Kool Aid, and they will toast to the "Giants Way"!
And the circular error will continue...
What exactly is the Giants way? Because I see no parallels in promoting an OC like McAdoo 2 years removed from being a QB coach in Green Bay, hiring a failed head coach from Cleveland, and hiring a guy like Rivera who had a great run in Carolina but had it come to an end after an ownership change/down year without his franchise QB (Even first 2 games, Cam was a shell of himself)
How does us getting better get us back here? RR has gone to a super bowl....if we get better and add talent, we can compete. I am not sure I understand the logic
How does us getting better get us back here? RR has gone to a super bowl....if we get better and add talent, we can compete. I am not sure I understand the logic
What exactly is the Giants way? Because I see no parallels in promoting an OC like McAdoo 2 years removed from being a QB coach in Green Bay, hiring a failed head coach from Cleveland, and hiring a guy like Rivera who had a great run in Carolina but had it come to an end after an ownership change/down year without his franchise QB (Even first 2 games, Cam was a shell of himself)
McAdoo was under Coughlin, so he was in the system.
But here's the rub with Shurmur. He was a hire contingent upon committing to stick with Eli. There is a enough circumstantial evidence that's been discussed that Mara was hurt by the blow-back on the Eli benching and wanted 2018 to be a year designed to rejuvenate Eli. So that was a prerequisite for the new hires...
Any interest in Doug Marrone if he becomes available?
Rivera is the only retread I'd be all in on. He's definitely number 1 on my list, namely because he is a damn good head coach that I believe can win a Superbowl. Everyone else requires a ton of projection, I really believe this is serendipitous.
Gettleman is infected with the "Giants Way" virus. I'm sure Rivera was exposed to it in Charlotte. So it's going to be an easy sell for Gettleman to go to Mara and say "this guy is one of us."
And Mara will stick out his glass, Gettleman will pour the Kool Aid, and they will toast to the "Giants Way"!
And the circular error will continue...
This is, like, the 18th "such a Giants move" you've snuffed out.
Rivera is the only retread I'd be all in on. He's definitely number 1 on my list, namely because he is a damn good head coach that I believe can win a Superbowl. Everyone else requires a ton of projection, I really believe this is serendipitous.
Just curious what you thought. I think Marrone is likely done in Jax. And I know there has been support for him in the past in certain BBI circles. I'm sort of agnostic on him, but he did some real nice work in Buffalo until he exercised his out-option due to the ownership change...
I'm disgusted with posters like you. More interested with proving other posters wrong than enjoying watch your team win. Man you are just miserable and petty. Grow up.
Way a massive bowl of dicks?
I guess it's my turn, because I've been serving them out to idiots like you at a pretty high rate the last couple years.
I'm on the fence but its mostly because of this fucking clown car he assembled masquerading as a coaching staff outside of the ST coach. Thats on him. The talent on this team is getting worse with some notable examples. Schematically he leaves me scratching my head offensively a ton, just some basic shit id love to be able to sit him down and ask him about. Doesn't even include the criminal usage of Barkley.
" As constructed I think this is a 6 win team talent wise right now, which should be expected, they are very young. I really believe that with Rivera and Norv here and Chase Young to give us that dominant pass rusher we desperately need, a dline that can stop the run, we will be that magical turn around team everyone waxes poetic about here every year like its a common occurrence.
Does it have to be Norv?
Jay Gruden seems to have more upside....but OC is key if they go with Rivera
This has truly been an eye opening experience.
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Because it will just be another band-aid solution. I do think the team will improve because Rivera is a far superior coach to McAdoo and Shurmur, but what does improve mean in the long-run anyway if the whole system remains the same? It would only be a matter of time before we're right back here all over again.
How does us getting better get us back here? RR has gone to a super bowl....if we get better and add talent, we can compete. I am not sure I understand the logic
Fassel went to the Super Bowl. How did that work out? I am not enamored with Rivera/Turner. Giants do not need a coach who can get us to 5 to 7 wins.
I prefer the Giants look to someone like Matt Ruhle.
Does it have to be Norv?
Jay Gruden seems to have more upside....but OC is key if they go with Rivera
Norv, Jay Gruden or Gary Kubiak. A guy for Jones to grow and flourish under.
Harbaugh would be the best but thats probably pipe dream for this team.
Rivera , and one of those 3 OCs would be 3 steps up from where we are now.
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Is there any doubt it will be Rivera if he accepts us? Guy is going to have options.
Any interest in Doug Marrone if he becomes available?
I don't hate him, but he has a reputation of a no nonsense disciplinarian. The problem is that the Jags have been one of the most undisciplined teams.
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Defense minded.....so key is to make sure OC is top notch....
Does it have to be Norv?
Jay Gruden seems to have more upside....but OC is key if they go with Rivera
Norv, Jay Gruden or Gary Kubiak. A guy for Jones to grow and flourish under.
Harbaugh would be the best but thats probably pipe dream for this team.
Rivera , and one of those 3 OCs would be 3 steps up from where we are now.
I like Jones sans the turnovers. Whether they are due to pocket presence, grip strength, decision making, I think he will correct the issues. I don't think an OC should have their focus on Jones. If he corrects his shortcomings, Daniel will be fine. What we should be focused on designing an offense where Barkley will flourish. The #2 pick is a sunk cost. But we need a system that maximize SB's talent.
The OC doesn't have to be Norv, but what he has done with CMC he should be able to do with Barkley. Norv also is not looking to undermine a coach angling for a HC gig. He knows what he does well and stays in his lane.
The next OC needs to know how to maximize both Barkley and Jones.
I am a believer that running the ball and the threat of the run are the most powerful things a team can have. You need to throw to score but you need to run to win. I want the next HC and OC to be a believer in a power run game.
Which is 2 more than we've had in the last 7 years.
We could do (and have done) worse.
Very inspiring stuff!
Very inspiring stuff!
This is just laying the ground for the inevitable, "Gettleman needed to stabilize the team, what other options did he have, there was no alternative" defense that we'll be gifted with in about oh, 24 months.
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What exactly is the Giants way? Because I see no parallels in promoting an OC like McAdoo 2 years removed from being a QB coach in Green Bay, hiring a failed head coach from Cleveland, and hiring a guy like Rivera who had a great run in Carolina but had it come to an end after an ownership change/down year without his franchise QB (Even first 2 games, Cam was a shell of himself)
McAdoo was under Coughlin, so he was in the system.
But here's the rub with Shurmur. He was a hire contingent upon committing to stick with Eli. There is a enough circumstantial evidence that's been discussed that Mara was hurt by the blow-back on the Eli benching and wanted 2018 to be a year designed to rejuvenate Eli. So that was a prerequisite for the new hires...
Let's be honest about this whole thing here:
John Mara described the offense as "Broken" and Gilbride was fired/retired at request of Mara/Tisch. McAdoo was forced onto Coughlin because he was seen as the heir apparent.
Gilbride never wanted to retire which is why he's now coaching an XFL team. Don't twist it!
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/gilbride-set-retire-giants-o-coordinator-article-1.1564719
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Shurmur, thanks for trying but the time has come. Rivera as interim coach, with promise of interview for permanent in January.
Random thought: as Hispanic, does he satisfy Rooney rule requirements?
They will snuff out that the guy once played in Giants Stadium and shook hands with Coughlin and call it a connection...
However his arrival pretty much assures the status quo in every area of the organization which leaves the Giants in the 2020's in the same place they were in the 1970's. With an outdated business model that will struggle to compete.
I know I (sadly) don’t root for an organization that could be described as cutting edge or innovative or creative in any way whatsoever, but for now I can at least dream. How can you guys just say “oh Ron Rivera, he might not be absolutely fucking terrible - sign him up!”
Giants fans have been beaten down so thoroughly they don’t even hope for great anymore, average is good enough.
Gettleman is infected with the "Giants Way" virus. I'm sure Rivera was exposed to it in Charlotte. So it's going to be an easy sell for Gettleman to go to Mara and say "this guy is one of us."
And Mara will stick out his glass, Gettleman will pour the Kool Aid, and they will toast to the "Giants Way"!
And the circular error will continue...
Yup, same shit different time. Clueless owner and team
How about we dump Dave like Eddie Van Halen did and go find our Sammy?
They might have the lowest odds, but Vegas is still taking the field or unemployment over the Giants at +200.
Rivera's teams always play good, hard defense, and he wants to run the ball. If you're building around Saquon, he's not a bad guy to start with.
Vegas also has the Panthers somehow favored to have Jim Harbaugh as their next coach. Why the hell aren't we in for that?
The only thing that matters is what the Giants actually do.
The Rivera thing has legs because Gettleman knows him from Carolina, and the Giants LOVE the familiarity of what they already know -- or think they know. Be it coaches or players. That's human nature. You win some, you lose some. Sometimes it rains.
Gettleman didn't hire Rivera -- he was there when he joined Caro, but he liked him enough to keep him. So yeah, there's that connection, and yeah, Rivera will be in the mix, and may be the frontrunner because of that familiarity and availability. That's what Vegas sees.
Which candidates are on your wishlist?
Vegas also has the Panthers somehow favored to have Jim Harbaugh as their next coach. Why the hell aren't we in for that?
LMAO he won 3 division titles in a row, first team in the south to ever do it. Good god lol
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despite having a QB playing at a top level. Yikes. I'd stay away.
Vegas also has the Panthers somehow favored to have Jim Harbaugh as their next coach. Why the hell aren't we in for that?
LMAO he won 3 division titles in a row, first team in the south to ever do it. Good god lol
Ever? Like in the grand, illustrious, 17 year history of that division? That kind of ever?
Gettleman is infected with the "Giants Way" virus. I'm sure Rivera was exposed to it in Charlotte. So it's going to be an easy sell for Gettleman to go to Mara and say "this guy is one of us."
And Mara will stick out his glass, Gettleman will pour the Kool Aid, and they will toast to the "Giants Way"!
And the circular error will continue...
Yea, unless the giants draft well. Then all this garbage talk goes away and the giants start winning again. Players and coaches make the difference, really.
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despite having a QB playing at a top level. Yikes. I'd stay away.
Vegas also has the Panthers somehow favored to have Jim Harbaugh as their next coach. Why the hell aren't we in for that?
LMAO he won 3 division titles in a row, first team in the south to ever do it. Good god lol
Don't you think they could've had back to back winning seasons at least once in a decade with him as coach with a QB playing at an elite level? Just once!
You're really giving him credit for winning a division with a losing record? Wow. Talk about setting the bar low.
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despite having a QB playing at a top level. Yikes. I'd stay away.
Vegas also has the Panthers somehow favored to have Jim Harbaugh as their next coach. Why the hell aren't we in for that?
LMAO he won 3 division titles in a row, first team in the south to ever do it. Good god lol
Don't you think they could've had back to back winning seasons at least once in a decade with him as coach with a QB playing at an elite level? Just once!
You're really giving him credit for winning a division with a losing record? Wow. Talk about setting the bar low.
Elite QB... When the starting QB was healthy all season since 2013 they won 12, 15, and 11 games. When the starting QB who is a running QB was hurt and missed games they didn't win as many games. It really is that simple. Cam wasn't always playing at an Elite level. He was hurt one year, healthy the next, hurt the next year, healthy the next. Just the facts of it.