Being in the locker room for a little but of time does not mean you see everything. If the players were calling each other out in front of the media that would be a huge negative story. That isn't the answer.
To me, the word accountable comes to mind. We watch shitty play by the same players every week. There is no accountability. I do not care if it is a vet like Bathea or a rookie like Baker. There is zero accountability. That is a foundation of any good team whether it comes from the players or it comes from the coaches or even management but you have to have it.
Losing sucks but this article drives home how the team has no leaders. All the vets either dont play much or are career losers.
Really interesting.
This signals to me that the next head coach needs to be larger than his position
Rhule talks that talk
The KC offensive coordinator is very fiery
Ron Rivera??? No
Garrett??? He says about 20 words a day
McDaniels? Can he manage a listless clubhouse ??
Being in the locker room for a little but of time does not mean you see everything. If the players were calling each other out in front of the media that would be a huge negative story. That isn't the answer.
To me, the word accountable comes to mind. We watch shitty play by the same players every week. There is no accountability. I do not care if it is a vet like Bathea or a rookie like Baker. There is zero accountability. That is a foundation of any good team whether it comes from the players or it comes from the coaches or even management but you have to have it.
And you usually see articles like this when the wheels are coming off.
I think equally interesting is that Schwartz feels "safe" writing an article like this. He's been through this a few times now. He knows the politics involved.
Idk if hes ever gonna be a good head coach, but hes a genius as an offensive coordinator
There was a great article about his play calling in the super bowl vs rams and how he forced the rams into a personnel grouping that they could exploit. He aint just calling plays like shurmur.
Idk if hes ever gonna be a good head coach, but hes a genius as an offensive coordinator
There was a great article about his play calling in the super bowl vs rams and how he forced the rams into a personnel grouping that they could exploit. He aint just calling plays like shurmur.
Not sure that is a genius as much as it is his job. Any good OC should be doing that but I guess with what we've seen lately as Giants fans it isn't so common.
Idk if hes ever gonna be a good head coach, but hes a genius as an offensive coordinator
There was a great article about his play calling in the super bowl vs rams and how he forced the rams into a personnel grouping that they could exploit. He aint just calling plays like shurmur.
Not sure that is a genius as much as it is his job. Any good OC should be doing that but I guess with what we've seen lately as Giants fans it isn't so common.
Being in the locker room for a little but of time does not mean you see everything. If the players were calling each other out in front of the media that would be a huge negative story. That isn't the answer.
To me, the word accountable comes to mind. We watch shitty play by the same players every week. There is no accountability. I do not care if it is a vet like Bathea or a rookie like Baker. There is zero accountability. That is a foundation of any good team whether it comes from the players or it comes from the coaches or even management but you have to have it.
And you usually see articles like this when the wheels are coming off.
I think equally interesting is that Schwartz feels "safe" writing an article like this. He's been through this a few times now. He knows the politics involved.
I definitely agree with that last part. It is like he is getting the okay to put this out there publicly to get the fans on the side of change. The smell of change is in the air. But to what extent is the real question. The empty seats and amount of opposing fans in the stadium seems to be getting the point across loud and clear.
We have sorely missed that voice in the locker room. Strachan tiptoed the line but I will give examples.
We had loud voices such as Pierce, Jacobs, Rolle and while they were "loud" they led in a specific way where they weren't calling anybody out publicly. At least it was rare and had a specific purpose.
But then you look at someone like Collins who constantly was loud but loud by saying stupid shit. We were all frustrated by Apple. To call him out publicly on multiple occasions wasn't the right thing to do. Ever since he left he isn't even happy to be in Washington when compared to putting down the Giants.
We need more players like Pierce, Jacobs, and Rolle. These players had clear limitations and some more than others but it is beyond clear now that they brought way more to their teams than just their play on the field.
He started in training camp with always talking about how young the team was.
Right now the culture that exists seems put in your time during the week with a good attitude. Your young so we understand.
The players have no fear. The problem I think this coach has is he has never won and he knows he does not have the credibility...he has never one. His fear is that he knows he will lose the team if he takes a hard line stance.
When I played in college we had a leadership council.
I know that Coughlin at one time had it as well. It is such a simple thing to do to empower specific players to police themselves as well as open up the lines of communication with the coaching staff. Players can voice their opinions to the leaders who then bring it back to the coaches. It seems to help in situations like this.
When your locker room is filled with rookie and second year players, and theres no 4th, 5th, 6th year veterans that have only known playing for the Giants. Reese really really gutted this team.
Idk if hes ever gonna be a good head coach, but hes a genius as an offensive coordinator
There was a great article about his play calling in the super bowl vs rams and how he forced the rams into a personnel grouping that they could exploit. He aint just calling plays like shurmur.
Not sure that is a genius as much as it is his job. Any good OC should be doing that but I guess with what we've seen lately as Giants fans it isn't so common.
Being in the locker room for a little but of time does not mean you see everything. If the players were calling each other out in front of the media that would be a huge negative story. That isn't the answer.
To me, the word accountable comes to mind. We watch shitty play by the same players every week. There is no accountability. I do not care if it is a vet like Bathea or a rookie like Baker. There is zero accountability. That is a foundation of any good team whether it comes from the players or it comes from the coaches or even management but you have to have it.
And you usually see articles like this when the wheels are coming off.
I think equally interesting is that Schwartz feels "safe" writing an article like this. He's been through this a few times now. He knows the politics involved.
Political cover for Schwartz was my first thought here.
I have to wonder though - how much of it is this ‘cultural cleansing’ that we were pitched. The players see Collins and OBJ shipped off. They may recognize that they crossed the line. But maybe it’s too much for them to know where the line of the ‘Giants Way’ is - so they just play it safe and that’s why there’s no life, no “heart”
Is that Jenkins and Shepard are the two longest tenured guys after Eli and DeOssie. Think about that, one guy who is a bit of a wing nut and another who constantly misses games are the longest tenured Giants. Where does the leadership come from? Jones I assume defers to Manning for now, Solder and Ogletree seem like nice enough guys but their play isn't worthy of leading anything.
Purging those 4, Manning, DeOssie, Solder and Ogletree wipes the slate clean for someone, anyone to take over. Barkley seems like a candidate, perhaps Lawrence, but we simply seem rudderless in the locker room. There are precisely zero players with the talent and resume to stand up and be listened to. Shurmur should be the shepherd here, but he seems intent on protecting his flock more than leading it. He has to push harder, bench bad play and demand accountability and I just don't see it.
Is that Jenkins and Shepard are the two longest tenured guys after Eli and DeOssie. Think about that, one guy who is a bit of a wing nut and another who constantly misses games are the longest tenured Giants. Where does the leadership come from? Jones I assume defers to Manning for now, Solder and Ogletree seem like nice enough guys but their play isn't worthy of leading anything.
Purging those 4, Manning, DeOssie, Solder and Ogletree wipes the slate clean for someone, anyone to take over. Barkley seems like a candidate, perhaps Lawrence, but we simply seem rudderless in the locker room. There are precisely zero players with the talent and resume to stand up and be listened to. Shurmur should be the shepherd here, but he seems intent on protecting his flock more than leading it. He has to push harder, bench bad play and demand accountability and I just don't see it.
Truth is - that no one who was sent away/ not signed in the last two years could have done it either
DG and company - in all their wisdom...decided guys like Snacks, Collins, and OBJ werent the leaders they wanted.
I dont think they were wrong in that assessment (Collins maybe, but he didnt handle the Apple stuff well). But they dont have the guys to replace them yet.
Heres the issue - it takes more than just being a veteran, guys have to be respected for their performance on the field. Schwartz makes a good point that guys like Ogletree, Solder, and Thomas cant play they role, bc theyre just not good enough for the young guys to respect and listen to.
Idk if hes ever gonna be a good head coach, but hes a genius as an offensive coordinator
There was a great article about his play calling in the super bowl vs rams and how he forced the rams into a personnel grouping that they could exploit. He aint just calling plays like shurmur.
Not sure that is a genius as much as it is his job. Any good OC should be doing that but I guess with what we've seen lately as Giants fans it isn't so common.
Getting rid of anyone vocal has to have had a hushed effect on those left behind.
The fire sale mid season is only one offseason away. New leaders aren't going to spring up overnight, especially if a huge portion of the team is so young/new.
It's on the coaching staff to fill the void. If you don't respect the boss/teacher, you don't buy in to the overall effort.
was how vocal the veteran leadership on the team was. It is hard to be vocal when you are 2-10. Even the most easily-influenced young player will tune out a guy yelling in the locker room after yet another loss.
That said, I agree with Eric that the fact that Schwartz wrote this piece now is an indictment of Shurmur's tenure.
was how vocal the veteran leadership on the team was. It is hard to be vocal when you are 2-10. Even the most easily-influenced young player will tune out a guy yelling in the locker room after yet another loss.
That said, I agree with Eric that the fact that Schwartz wrote this piece now is an indictment of Shurmur's tenure.
It's also hard to listen to a veteran who is playing and getting burned or blown past every game if you are a young player.
Take Bethea for example, who was supposedly brought in for leadership and his knowledge of the defense. You then see him consistently torched and giving up touchdowns and big plays while you sit behind him on the depth chart trying to get some snaps. After awhile, you are thinking (at least I would), "Bro, you are not any good. Why do I need to listen to you?"
Michael Thomas, same thing. He barely plays. Why are guys suppose to listen to him?
Nate Solder. We all see the games and watch him turning into a turnstile. And I'm supposed to listen to him?
The team wanted guys who weren't loud and just shut up and obey. They thought the guys they let go were a part of the problem. Issue now is they have not brought in players who are any better than the ones they let go, but are simply "less noisy."
This to me was the sad part about the Odell situation when he was here. The team was so devoid of talent in addition to veteran leadership, that he was able to take that void and exploit it. No one could say anything to him to reel him in. On a team with guys who police each other and are producing at a high level, some of the things that cropped up could have been handled easily before they got out of control.
Guess what his Dad isnt going to want to see him fail. Im sure Bill will have some suggestions for his son. Next best thing to bringing Bill in which wont happen.
All of the guys wearing "C"'s on their uniform are not performing
It's basic team composition - there aren't enough established veteran leaders. Further, they went on a crusade to crush anyone that didn't completely toe the company line. Beckham? Fine. Collins? He was a problem for calling out a headcase like Apple?
You'd have the same problem on any type of team, not even sports. Take a team of young software engineers - even with a solid manager, they need a peer with some experience they can lean on for things that they don't want to take to their management.
The Giants built a failure machine, and they're surprised that it's failing.
Idk if hes ever gonna be a good head coach, but hes a genius as an offensive coordinator
There was a great article about his play calling in the super bowl vs rams and how he forced the rams into a personnel grouping that they could exploit. He aint just calling plays like shurmur.
It's easy to be a so-called "genius" when you have the GOAT at HC and QB...
It's basic team composition - there aren't enough established veteran leaders. Further, they went on a crusade to crush anyone that didn't completely toe the company line. Beckham? Fine. Collins? He was a problem for calling out a headcase like Apple?
You'd have the same problem on any type of team, not even sports. Take a team of young software engineers - even with a solid manager, they need a peer with some experience they can lean on for things that they don't want to take to their management.
The Giants built a failure machine, and they're surprised that it's failing.
was how vocal the veteran leadership on the team was. It is hard to be vocal when you are 2-10. Even the most easily-influenced young player will tune out a guy yelling in the locker room after yet another loss.
That said, I agree with Eric that the fact that Schwartz wrote this piece now is an indictment of Shurmur's tenure.
It's also hard to listen to a veteran who is playing and getting burned or blown past every game if you are a young player.
Take Bethea for example, who was supposedly brought in for leadership and his knowledge of the defense. You then see him consistently torched and giving up touchdowns and big plays while you sit behind him on the depth chart trying to get some snaps. After awhile, you are thinking (at least I would), "Bro, you are not any good. Why do I need to listen to you?"
Michael Thomas, same thing. He barely plays. Why are guys suppose to listen to him?
Nate Solder. We all see the games and watch him turning into a turnstile. And I'm supposed to listen to him?
The team wanted guys who weren't loud and just shut up and obey. They thought the guys they let go were a part of the problem. Issue now is they have not brought in players who are any better than the ones they let go, but are simply "less noisy."
This to me was the sad part about the Odell situation when he was here. The team was so devoid of talent in addition to veteran leadership, that he was able to take that void and exploit it. No one could say anything to him to reel him in. On a team with guys who police each other and are producing at a high level, some of the things that cropped up could have been handled easily before they got out of control.
A 6'4" 270 lb 4.5 40 RB battering ramming and scrambling DB brains you listen too.
The future is young players. It takes time for such to grow into leadership roles. Does that means there maybe a vocal void right now in the locker room? Maybe but it should sort itself out soon as these guys progress in their careers. Does it mean they lack heart because they don't scream and yell after a loss? No.
But I just thought of this the other day and looked it up... Isn't it weird to think about the fact that Antoine Bethea is older than Terrell Thomas?
Again, I know, random, and that means nothing... I just randomly thought that was weird. If anything it's surprising to think about the fact Thomas was out of the league by the time he turned 30.
Matt Rhule conversation that was going on around here, I like what I read about him here, I like what he brings (winning) He's young and could be around a long time and he ain't a retread.
It's basic team composition - there aren't enough established veteran leaders. Further, they went on a crusade to crush anyone that didn't completely toe the company line. Beckham? Fine. Collins? He was a problem for calling out a headcase like Apple?
You'd have the same problem on any type of team, not even sports. Take a team of young software engineers - even with a solid manager, they need a peer with some experience they can lean on for things that they don't want to take to their management.
The Giants built a failure machine, and they're surprised that it's failing.
To me, the word accountable comes to mind. We watch shitty play by the same players every week. There is no accountability. I do not care if it is a vet like Bathea or a rookie like Baker. There is zero accountability. That is a foundation of any good team whether it comes from the players or it comes from the coaches or even management but you have to have it.
Losing sucks but this article drives home how the team has no leaders. All the vets either dont play much or are career losers.
Really interesting.
This signals to me that the next head coach needs to be larger than his position
Rhule talks that talk
The KC offensive coordinator is very fiery
Ron Rivera??? No
Garrett??? He says about 20 words a day
McDaniels? Can he manage a listless clubhouse ??
To me, the word accountable comes to mind. We watch shitty play by the same players every week. There is no accountability. I do not care if it is a vet like Bathea or a rookie like Baker. There is zero accountability. That is a foundation of any good team whether it comes from the players or it comes from the coaches or even management but you have to have it.
And you usually see articles like this when the wheels are coming off.
I think equally interesting is that Schwartz feels "safe" writing an article like this. He's been through this a few times now. He knows the politics involved.
Idk if hes ever gonna be a good head coach, but hes a genius as an offensive coordinator
There was a great article about his play calling in the super bowl vs rams and how he forced the rams into a personnel grouping that they could exploit. He aint just calling plays like shurmur.
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So fuckin overrated.
Idk if hes ever gonna be a good head coach, but hes a genius as an offensive coordinator
There was a great article about his play calling in the super bowl vs rams and how he forced the rams into a personnel grouping that they could exploit. He aint just calling plays like shurmur.
Not sure that is a genius as much as it is his job. Any good OC should be doing that but I guess with what we've seen lately as Giants fans it isn't so common.
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So fuckin overrated.
Idk if hes ever gonna be a good head coach, but hes a genius as an offensive coordinator
There was a great article about his play calling in the super bowl vs rams and how he forced the rams into a personnel grouping that they could exploit. He aint just calling plays like shurmur.
Not sure that is a genius as much as it is his job. Any good OC should be doing that but I guess with what we've seen lately as Giants fans it isn't so common.
Great read irrespective of the McDaniels stuff
Id hire him in a minute over any other re tread
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Being in the locker room for a little but of time does not mean you see everything. If the players were calling each other out in front of the media that would be a huge negative story. That isn't the answer.
To me, the word accountable comes to mind. We watch shitty play by the same players every week. There is no accountability. I do not care if it is a vet like Bathea or a rookie like Baker. There is zero accountability. That is a foundation of any good team whether it comes from the players or it comes from the coaches or even management but you have to have it.
And you usually see articles like this when the wheels are coming off.
I think equally interesting is that Schwartz feels "safe" writing an article like this. He's been through this a few times now. He knows the politics involved.
I definitely agree with that last part. It is like he is getting the okay to put this out there publicly to get the fans on the side of change. The smell of change is in the air. But to what extent is the real question. The empty seats and amount of opposing fans in the stadium seems to be getting the point across loud and clear.
We had loud voices such as Pierce, Jacobs, Rolle and while they were "loud" they led in a specific way where they weren't calling anybody out publicly. At least it was rare and had a specific purpose.
But then you look at someone like Collins who constantly was loud but loud by saying stupid shit. We were all frustrated by Apple. To call him out publicly on multiple occasions wasn't the right thing to do. Ever since he left he isn't even happy to be in Washington when compared to putting down the Giants.
We need more players like Pierce, Jacobs, and Rolle. These players had clear limitations and some more than others but it is beyond clear now that they brought way more to their teams than just their play on the field.
Right now the culture that exists seems put in your time during the week with a good attitude. Your young so we understand.
The players have no fear. The problem I think this coach has is he has never won and he knows he does not have the credibility...he has never one. His fear is that he knows he will lose the team if he takes a hard line stance.
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So fuckin overrated.
Idk if hes ever gonna be a good head coach, but hes a genius as an offensive coordinator
There was a great article about his play calling in the super bowl vs rams and how he forced the rams into a personnel grouping that they could exploit. He aint just calling plays like shurmur.
Not sure that is a genius as much as it is his job. Any good OC should be doing that but I guess with what we've seen lately as Giants fans it isn't so common.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/05/07/super-bowl-53-rams-defense-sean-mcvay-wade-phillips-nickell-robey-coleman-cory-littleton
Great read irrespective of the McDaniels stuff
Id hire him in a minute over any other re tread
McDaniels would be a re tread. He had a historically bad short run as a head coach a decade ago. It makes our current HC look like Lombardi
Does his father come with him? Otherwise what has he done to merit consideration as an NFL head coach?
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Being in the locker room for a little but of time does not mean you see everything. If the players were calling each other out in front of the media that would be a huge negative story. That isn't the answer.
To me, the word accountable comes to mind. We watch shitty play by the same players every week. There is no accountability. I do not care if it is a vet like Bathea or a rookie like Baker. There is zero accountability. That is a foundation of any good team whether it comes from the players or it comes from the coaches or even management but you have to have it.
And you usually see articles like this when the wheels are coming off.
I think equally interesting is that Schwartz feels "safe" writing an article like this. He's been through this a few times now. He knows the politics involved.
Political cover for Schwartz was my first thought here.
I have to wonder though - how much of it is this ‘cultural cleansing’ that we were pitched. The players see Collins and OBJ shipped off. They may recognize that they crossed the line. But maybe it’s too much for them to know where the line of the ‘Giants Way’ is - so they just play it safe and that’s why there’s no life, no “heart”
Purging those 4, Manning, DeOssie, Solder and Ogletree wipes the slate clean for someone, anyone to take over. Barkley seems like a candidate, perhaps Lawrence, but we simply seem rudderless in the locker room. There are precisely zero players with the talent and resume to stand up and be listened to. Shurmur should be the shepherd here, but he seems intent on protecting his flock more than leading it. He has to push harder, bench bad play and demand accountability and I just don't see it.
Purging those 4, Manning, DeOssie, Solder and Ogletree wipes the slate clean for someone, anyone to take over. Barkley seems like a candidate, perhaps Lawrence, but we simply seem rudderless in the locker room. There are precisely zero players with the talent and resume to stand up and be listened to. Shurmur should be the shepherd here, but he seems intent on protecting his flock more than leading it. He has to push harder, bench bad play and demand accountability and I just don't see it.
Truth is - that no one who was sent away/ not signed in the last two years could have done it either
I dont think they were wrong in that assessment (Collins maybe, but he didnt handle the Apple stuff well). But they dont have the guys to replace them yet.
Heres the issue - it takes more than just being a veteran, guys have to be respected for their performance on the field. Schwartz makes a good point that guys like Ogletree, Solder, and Thomas cant play they role, bc theyre just not good enough for the young guys to respect and listen to.
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So fuckin overrated.
Idk if hes ever gonna be a good head coach, but hes a genius as an offensive coordinator
There was a great article about his play calling in the super bowl vs rams and how he forced the rams into a personnel grouping that they could exploit. He aint just calling plays like shurmur.
Not sure that is a genius as much as it is his job. Any good OC should be doing that but I guess with what we've seen lately as Giants fans it isn't so common.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/05/07/super-bowl-53-rams-defense-sean-mcvay-wade-phillips-nickell-robey-coleman-cory-littleton
Great read irrespective of the McDaniels stuff
Id hire him in a minute over any other re tread
I've seen this word thrown around a whole lot and still have no idea wtf it means (in the absurdly inconsistent way you guys are using it)
The fire sale mid season is only one offseason away. New leaders aren't going to spring up overnight, especially if a huge portion of the team is so young/new.
It's on the coaching staff to fill the void. If you don't respect the boss/teacher, you don't buy in to the overall effort.
Yes more nepotism is what we need
That said, I agree with Eric that the fact that Schwartz wrote this piece now is an indictment of Shurmur's tenure.
That said, I agree with Eric that the fact that Schwartz wrote this piece now is an indictment of Shurmur's tenure.
It's also hard to listen to a veteran who is playing and getting burned or blown past every game if you are a young player.
Take Bethea for example, who was supposedly brought in for leadership and his knowledge of the defense. You then see him consistently torched and giving up touchdowns and big plays while you sit behind him on the depth chart trying to get some snaps. After awhile, you are thinking (at least I would), "Bro, you are not any good. Why do I need to listen to you?"
Michael Thomas, same thing. He barely plays. Why are guys suppose to listen to him?
Nate Solder. We all see the games and watch him turning into a turnstile. And I'm supposed to listen to him?
The team wanted guys who weren't loud and just shut up and obey. They thought the guys they let go were a part of the problem. Issue now is they have not brought in players who are any better than the ones they let go, but are simply "less noisy."
This to me was the sad part about the Odell situation when he was here. The team was so devoid of talent in addition to veteran leadership, that he was able to take that void and exploit it. No one could say anything to him to reel him in. On a team with guys who police each other and are producing at a high level, some of the things that cropped up could have been handled easily before they got out of control.
Zeitler and Solder could be the guys on O but again....... Hal Hunter
This is the tale of a losing organization...it is a common theme. Every losing team has it.
This entire organization needs an enema
You'd have the same problem on any type of team, not even sports. Take a team of young software engineers - even with a solid manager, they need a peer with some experience they can lean on for things that they don't want to take to their management.
The Giants built a failure machine, and they're surprised that it's failing.
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So fuckin overrated.
Idk if hes ever gonna be a good head coach, but hes a genius as an offensive coordinator
There was a great article about his play calling in the super bowl vs rams and how he forced the rams into a personnel grouping that they could exploit. He aint just calling plays like shurmur.
It's easy to be a so-called "genius" when you have the GOAT at HC and QB...
Zeitler and Solder could be the guys on O but again....... Hal Hunter
"limited" is being way too kind...
You'd have the same problem on any type of team, not even sports. Take a team of young software engineers - even with a solid manager, they need a peer with some experience they can lean on for things that they don't want to take to their management.
The Giants built a failure machine, and they're surprised that it's failing.
Would you have given Collins 6 years/$84M?
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was how vocal the veteran leadership on the team was. It is hard to be vocal when you are 2-10. Even the most easily-influenced young player will tune out a guy yelling in the locker room after yet another loss.
That said, I agree with Eric that the fact that Schwartz wrote this piece now is an indictment of Shurmur's tenure.
It's also hard to listen to a veteran who is playing and getting burned or blown past every game if you are a young player.
Take Bethea for example, who was supposedly brought in for leadership and his knowledge of the defense. You then see him consistently torched and giving up touchdowns and big plays while you sit behind him on the depth chart trying to get some snaps. After awhile, you are thinking (at least I would), "Bro, you are not any good. Why do I need to listen to you?"
Michael Thomas, same thing. He barely plays. Why are guys suppose to listen to him?
Nate Solder. We all see the games and watch him turning into a turnstile. And I'm supposed to listen to him?
The team wanted guys who weren't loud and just shut up and obey. They thought the guys they let go were a part of the problem. Issue now is they have not brought in players who are any better than the ones they let go, but are simply "less noisy."
This to me was the sad part about the Odell situation when he was here. The team was so devoid of talent in addition to veteran leadership, that he was able to take that void and exploit it. No one could say anything to him to reel him in. On a team with guys who police each other and are producing at a high level, some of the things that cropped up could have been handled easily before they got out of control.
A 6'4" 270 lb 4.5 40 RB battering ramming and scrambling DB brains you listen too.
Didn't get the breaks? LOL
They've been outscored by over 100 points this season! One of NYG's only wins was because TB missed a chip shot FG to bail out our awful defense.
"Bad year?" More like a bad 7 years. God, you people don't even pay attention and can't even count.
Yeah, we should be over the moon that we've had one winning season since the first year of Obama's second term.
so what did they expect?
Again, I know, random, and that means nothing... I just randomly thought that was weird. If anything it's surprising to think about the fact Thomas was out of the league by the time he turned 30.
Collins - he was not worth 84 million and would not play on the tag.
You guys re-write history cuz your pissed off.
There's no leadership because it's essentially a whole new roster
You'd have the same problem on any type of team, not even sports. Take a team of young software engineers - even with a solid manager, they need a peer with some experience they can lean on for things that they don't want to take to their management.
The Giants built a failure machine, and they're surprised that it's failing.
Right on. Last sentence says it all.
Would you have given Collins 6 years/$84M?
No, but I would have at least tried negotiating with the guy and made it a point I wanted to keep him.
The Giants wanted him out, presumably because he talked too much. Obligatory Josina Whatsherface mention here.
Well, they got a much more civil team. A bunch of well established losers, but they're at least civil.