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Incarcerated Bob: OBJ wants out of Cleveland

Ned In Atlanta : 12/4/2019 9:00 am
Management to accommodate. Kill the source if you want but he was right on the Tate suspension. Gettleman gets killed but this trade was a great move. Got good value before it inevitably nose dived.
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Shocking  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/4/2019 9:01 am : link
...
Coach Killer  
The_Boss : 12/4/2019 9:02 am : link
/
He will end up  
Matt in SGS : 12/4/2019 9:04 am : link
in New England or LA next year. You can question a lot of what Gettleman did, but getting rid of Odell wasn't one of them. I'm curious to see what the package back will be, but I'd guess it's less than they gave up to get him. Probably a first round pick is it.
I can see Rams,  
section125 : 12/4/2019 9:05 am : link
49ers and Patriots in on this.
Poor Odell...  
EricJ : 12/4/2019 9:06 am : link
he needs to have everything just perfect I guess. Nobody cares about his tweets from Cleveland either.
RE: I can see Rams,  
The_Boss : 12/4/2019 9:08 am : link
In comment 14702296 section125 said:
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49ers and Patriots in on this.


Aren’t the Rams about to enter cap hell? To the point they need to start dismantling the roster?
Who could have seen this  
Chef : 12/4/2019 9:08 am : link
coming?
What happened  
NikkiMac : 12/4/2019 9:08 am : link
To being with his brother Jarvis ?
RE: He will end up  
Section331 : 12/4/2019 9:09 am : link
In comment 14702294 Matt in SGS said:
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in New England or LA next year. You can question a lot of what Gettleman did, but getting rid of Odell wasn't one of them. I'm curious to see what the package back will be, but I'd guess it's less than they gave up to get him. Probably a first round pick is it.


I don't blame him for getting rid of Odell, but I do blame him for waiting until after resigning him to do it. Should have tagged Odell, and then looked to move him.
Not  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2019 9:13 am : link
doubting this, but isn't Incarcerated Bob Twitter's version of Slade?
The fact that Odell  
Metnut : 12/4/2019 9:17 am : link
isn't doing well in CLE doesn't make the move good. We traded away an all-pro and the team predictably got worse. Lawrence and Pepperes seem OK, but have yet to really look like difference makers to me. CLE winning or losing doesn't matter to me. I want to see the Giants win.

Personally, I'd like to see Beckham finally play under a real coach. He put up elite numbers (and was the best player on a Giants team that somehow made the playoffs under Mcadoo) and then played a year under Schumur and a washed up Eli and now is playing for Kitchens.

He wants to be on the west coast  
cjac : 12/4/2019 9:18 am : link
i hope he ends up in San Diego
DG, keep killing Dorsey!  
90.Cal : 12/4/2019 9:19 am : link
Send'em Solder for OBJ straight up
RE: He wants to be on the west coast  
Section331 : 12/4/2019 9:19 am : link
In comment 14702317 cjac said:
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i hope he ends up in San Diego


To sit on the beach? ;-)
His Brand is going out of business  
Rudy5757 : 12/4/2019 9:21 am : link
and his production is way down as well. Only 2 100 Yard games and only 2 TDs through 12 games. They would be lucky to get a 3rd for him at this point.
RE: He wants to be on the west coast  
BigBlueShock : 12/4/2019 9:21 am : link
In comment 14702317 cjac said:
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i hope he ends up in San Diego

The Padres seem like a bad match
RE: RE: I can see Rams,  
section125 : 12/4/2019 9:24 am : link
In comment 14702299 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14702296 section125 said:


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49ers and Patriots in on this.



Aren’t the Rams about to enter cap hell? To the point they need to start dismantling the roster?


I think you are right on that and it did enter my mind, but OBJ in a Rams uni seems right...
RE: RE: He wants to be on the west coast  
cjac : 12/4/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14702325 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14702317 cjac said:


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i hope he ends up in San Diego


The Padres seem like a bad match


Hahahahahahaaaa

i forgot... i meant on the Chargers
I wouldn't be surprised  
Jay on the Island : 12/4/2019 9:27 am : link
but Incarcerated Bob has proven time and time again that he is a fake insider. He fabricates stories like this which are very believable.
Incarcerated Bob  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/4/2019 9:27 am : link
He is not a trusted source, just a hack.

If Jay Glazer was the source then I would believe it.
He’s always wanted to be in LA  
Ben in Tampa : 12/4/2019 9:27 am : link
But they are limited in draft picks after the Ramsey trade.

I’d say he’s more likely to end up in Philadelphia.
Not a great move by DG  
gmenatlarge : 12/4/2019 9:28 am : link
to sign him BEFORE he traded him resulting in a ton of dead cap room. DG is not much better than PS, buh-bye!
RE: Not a great move by DG  
Ira : 12/4/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14702341 gmenatlarge said:
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to sign him BEFORE he traded him resulting in a ton of dead cap room. DG is not much better than PS, buh-bye!


We did lose cap room, but we wouldn't have anything close to the return we got if we hadn't signed him.
RE: Not a great move by DG  
Chip : 12/4/2019 9:33 am : link
In comment 14702341 gmenatlarge said:
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to sign him BEFORE he traded him resulting in a ton of dead cap room. DG is not much better than PS, buh-bye!
I would rather have the 1st and 3rd round pick and Peppers. Dead money goes away in a year.
He's not in Cleveland by accident  
arniefez : 12/4/2019 9:37 am : link
the Giants considered two places to send him. Cleveland and Buffalo. The last two places he would ever want to be.
the fact that anybody cares about this clown or would want his drama  
Victor in CT : 12/4/2019 9:38 am : link
back here amazes me. The fact is he was part of the problem an he's not a winner, but a whiner. Good riddance. The mistake, as others have said, was in signing him to that big deal to begin with. And how much of that was Mara/Tisch influenced?
RE: The fact that Odell  
EricJ : 12/4/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14702313 Metnut said:
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Personally, I'd like to see Beckham finally play under a real coach. He put up elite numbers (and was the best player on a Giants team that somehow made the playoffs under Mcadoo) and then played a year under Schumur and a washed up Eli and now is playing for Kitchens.


Right.. it is everyone elses' fault but Odell. How many years since he performed at a high level now?

Injuries + excuses = what you have now. There are receivers in the league performing better than he is and they are in the same or worse situations.

Odell is not even the best WR on his own team right now.

These guys are having a better season than Odell. They are either playing behind a backup QB, a shitty QB or a shitty coach.. or all three.

DJ Chark
Cooper Kupp
DJ Moore
Marvin Jones
Courtland Sutton
Jarvis Landry
Allen Robinson
Tyler Boyd
Devante Parker
Beckham isn't even a poor man Terrell Owens.  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2019 9:42 am : link
All he is is a coach killer.
RE: RE: He will end up  
Matt in SGS : 12/4/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14702303 Section331 said:
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In comment 14702294 Matt in SGS said:


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in New England or LA next year. You can question a lot of what Gettleman did, but getting rid of Odell wasn't one of them. I'm curious to see what the package back will be, but I'd guess it's less than they gave up to get him. Probably a first round pick is it.



I don't blame him for getting rid of Odell, but I do blame him for waiting until after resigning him to do it. Should have tagged Odell, and then looked to move him.


That was on Shurmur. If the reports were correct (and based on the body of evidence we've seen), Gettleman wanted to get rid of Odell as soon as he took over as GM and trade him. Shurmur asked the Giants to keep him and let him try to coach him up. To be honest, I don't blame Shurmur. He's looking at taking over a team and trading away one of his best players and an explosive playmaker at WR. Of course he is going to want to see what he could do. To be fair to Shurmur and not hamstring him right out the gate, Gettleman agrees and the Giants keep him.

Now, as for signing him. I think the Giants were somewhat backed into a corner. They knew his contract was an issue. There here hints of a holdout. So if you want to set up Shurmur for his best chance of success, you sign Odell and make him happy and see if Shurmur could make it work. And as we all saw, he couldn't.

Where I give Gettleman credit here was he quickly reversed course and traded him before his value dropped even more. I think the Antonio Brown drama in Pittsburgh was all the Giants needed to see.

It was a good faith effort on everyone's part to be honest. But once it become clear it was time to move on, they did. And Odell's people planted the LA stuff (remember the Rams rumors). And there were the San Francisco rumors too.

The one thing that I wonder on was how much better a deal the Niners would have offered. It sounded like they were offering picks in 2020, but the Giants wanted them in 2019. The Browns gave it to them and the Giants pulled the trigger. However, as mentioned above, to send him to the AFC and essentially Siberia in Cleveland probably wasn't lost on Mara/Gettleman and an added bonus.
RE: RE: The fact that Odell  
smshmth8690 : 12/4/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14702369 EricJ said:
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In comment 14702313 Metnut said:


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Personally, I'd like to see Beckham finally play under a real coach. He put up elite numbers (and was the best player on a Giants team that somehow made the playoffs under Mcadoo) and then played a year under Schumur and a washed up Eli and now is playing for Kitchens.




Right.. it is everyone elses' fault but Odell. How many years since he performed at a high level now?

Injuries + excuses = what you have now. There are receivers in the league performing better than he is and they are in the same or worse situations.

Odell is not even the best WR on his own team right now.

These guys are having a better season than Odell. They are either playing behind a backup QB, a shitty QB or a shitty coach.. or all three.

DJ Chark
Cooper Kupp
DJ Moore
Marvin Jones
Courtland Sutton
Jarvis Landry
Allen Robinson
Tyler Boyd
Devante Parker


Darius Slayton, 200 less yards than Beckham, with 20 less receptions, but has 3 more TD's.
RE: The fact that Odell  
jvm52106 : 12/4/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14702313 Metnut said:
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isn't doing well in CLE doesn't make the move good. We traded away an all-pro and the team predictably got worse. Lawrence and Pepperes seem OK, but have yet to really look like difference makers to me. CLE winning or losing doesn't matter to me. I want to see the Giants win.

Personally, I'd like to see Beckham finally play under a real coach. He put up elite numbers (and was the best player on a Giants team that somehow made the playoffs under Mcadoo) and then played a year under Schumur and a washed up Eli and now is playing for Kitchens.


Again, false. OBJ had to be traded his presence here would probably make this team even worse. Why you ask? Because, with him we don't have the extra picks, we don't get the young defensive players and we are stuck getting below average FA's who would be one and done because we couldn't afford to sign high priced guys. OBJ trade gave us Peppers and picks. Take the picks away and Peppers away then we still need a safety without the money to be able to do it, we need corners, without the money to be able to do it.
RE: RE: The fact that Odell  
jvm52106 : 12/4/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14702412 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 14702313 Metnut said:


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isn't doing well in CLE doesn't make the move good. We traded away an all-pro and the team predictably got worse. Lawrence and Pepperes seem OK, but have yet to really look like difference makers to me. CLE winning or losing doesn't matter to me. I want to see the Giants win.

Personally, I'd like to see Beckham finally play under a real coach. He put up elite numbers (and was the best player on a Giants team that somehow made the playoffs under Mcadoo) and then played a year under Schumur and a washed up Eli and now is playing for Kitchens.




Again, false. OBJ had to be traded his presence here would probably make this team even worse. Why you ask? Because, with him we don't have the extra picks, we don't get the young defensive players and we are stuck getting below average FA's who would be one and done because we couldn't afford to sign high priced guys. OBJ trade gave us Peppers and picks. Take the picks away and Peppers away then we still need a safety without the money to be able to do it, we need corners, without the money to be able to do it.


The defense is bad now but hopes of future success with young guys playing better and with some help coming in the off season. Without the OBJ trade we are shitty defensively without the young guys who can grow and develop.
RE: The fact that Odell  
Jesse B : 12/4/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14702313 Metnut said:
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isn't doing well in CLE doesn't make the move good. We traded away an all-pro and the team predictably got worse. Lawrence and Pepperes seem OK, but have yet to really look like difference makers to me. CLE winning or losing doesn't matter to me. I want to see the Giants win.

Personally, I'd like to see Beckham finally play under a real coach. He put up elite numbers (and was the best player on a Giants team that somehow made the playoffs under Mcadoo) and then played a year under Schumur and a washed up Eli and now is playing for Kitchens.



He's still going to eclipse a 1,000 yards pretty easy, he's just not as great. Still be our best WR
RE: Incarcerated Bob  
micky : 12/4/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14702337 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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He is not a trusted source, just a hack.

If Jay Glazer was the source then I would believe it.


This
RE: The fact that Odell  
CY2020 : 12/4/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14702313 Metnut said:
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isn't doing well in CLE doesn't make the move good. We traded away an all-pro and the team predictably got worse. Lawrence and Pepperes seem OK, but have yet to really look like difference makers to me. CLE winning or losing doesn't matter to me. I want to see the Giants win.

Personally, I'd like to see Beckham finally play under a real coach. He put up elite numbers (and was the best player on a Giants team that somehow made the playoffs under Mcadoo) and then played a year under Schumur and a washed up Eli and now is playing for Kitchens.



It was a phenomenal move.
RE: RE: He wants to be on the west coast  
TheMick7 : 12/4/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14702325 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14702317 cjac said:


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i hope he ends up in San Diego


The Padres seem like a bad match



lol
I'll just leave this here  
Go Terps : 12/4/2019 10:31 am : link
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When OBJ's  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/4/2019 10:31 am : link
girlfriends (Kim and Josina) say this there is truth to this.

I think OBJ is just not the talent he was since the injury and is probably struggling with that reality.
RE: I'll just leave this here  
EricJ : 12/4/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14702467 Go Terps said:
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What is the point of posting an archived thread about whether we sign OBJ?

By the way, this is the first post of yours in a very long time that was not negative. Congrats...
RE: RE: The fact that Odell  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/4/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14702412 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 14702313 Metnut said:


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isn't doing well in CLE doesn't make the move good. We traded away an all-pro and the team predictably got worse. Lawrence and Pepperes seem OK, but have yet to really look like difference makers to me. CLE winning or losing doesn't matter to me. I want to see the Giants win.

Personally, I'd like to see Beckham finally play under a real coach. He put up elite numbers (and was the best player on a Giants team that somehow made the playoffs under Mcadoo) and then played a year under Schumur and a washed up Eli and now is playing for Kitchens.




Again, false. OBJ had to be traded his presence here would probably make this team even worse. Why you ask? Because, with him we don't have the extra picks, we don't get the young defensive players and we are stuck getting below average FA's who would be one and done because we couldn't afford to sign high priced guys. OBJ trade gave us Peppers and picks. Take the picks away and Peppers away then we still need a safety without the money to be able to do it, we need corners, without the money to be able to do it.


LOL at this statement. I think he would be bracketed and we might actually see less 8 man boxes which would give Saquon more room to run, but yeah keep thinking that way. The running game is pretty could in Cleveland and it’s probably has to do with having some talent at WR.
RE: The fact that Odell  
Gman11 : 12/4/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14702313 Metnut said:
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isn't doing well in CLE doesn't make the move good. We traded away an all-pro and the team predictably got worse. Lawrence and Pepperes seem OK, but have yet to really look like difference makers to me.


Beckham isn't a difference maker any more either.
RE: Not a great move by DG  
Gettledogman : 12/4/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14702341 gmenatlarge said:
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to sign him BEFORE he traded him resulting in a ton of dead cap room. DG is not much better than PS, buh-bye!


Schumur wanted to keep him
RE: RE: RE: He will end up  
Gettledogman : 12/4/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14702380 Matt in SGS said:
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In comment 14702303 Section331 said:


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In comment 14702294 Matt in SGS said:


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in New England or LA next year. You can question a lot of what Gettleman did, but getting rid of Odell wasn't one of them. I'm curious to see what the package back will be, but I'd guess it's less than they gave up to get him. Probably a first round pick is it.



I don't blame him for getting rid of Odell, but I do blame him for waiting until after resigning him to do it. Should have tagged Odell, and then looked to move him.



That was on Shurmur. If the reports were correct (and based on the body of evidence we've seen), Gettleman wanted to get rid of Odell as soon as he took over as GM and trade him. Shurmur asked the Giants to keep him and let him try to coach him up. To be honest, I don't blame Shurmur. He's looking at taking over a team and trading away one of his best players and an explosive playmaker at WR. Of course he is going to want to see what he could do. To be fair to Shurmur and not hamstring him right out the gate, Gettleman agrees and the Giants keep him.

Now, as for signing him. I think the Giants were somewhat backed into a corner. They knew his contract was an issue. There here hints of a holdout. So if you want to set up Shurmur for his best chance of success, you sign Odell and make him happy and see if Shurmur could make it work. And as we all saw, he couldn't.

Where I give Gettleman credit here was he quickly reversed course and traded him before his value dropped even more. I think the Antonio Brown drama in Pittsburgh was all the Giants needed to see.

It was a good faith effort on everyone's part to be honest. But once it become clear it was time to move on, they did. And Odell's people planted the LA stuff (remember the Rams rumors). And there were the San Francisco rumors too.

The one thing that I wonder on was how much better a deal the Niners would have offered. It sounded like they were offering picks in 2020, but the Giants wanted them in 2019. The Browns gave it to them and the Giants pulled the trigger. However, as mentioned above, to send him to the AFC and essentially Siberia in Cleveland probably wasn't lost on Mara/Gettleman and an added bonus.


excellent analysis
I think they'll get a late first or early second for Beckham. The  
Ira : 12/4/2019 10:55 am : link
Browns might have to eat some salary.
Dear OBJ  
NoPeanutz : 12/4/2019 11:06 am : link
If you want to be a certain market, don't sign a contract with a franchise in a market that is not that.
RE: RE: I'll just leave this here  
Kyle in NY : 12/4/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14702474 EricJ said:
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In comment 14702467 Go Terps said:


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What is the point of posting an archived thread about whether we sign OBJ?

By the way, this is the first post of yours in a very long time that was not negative. Congrats...


Well he nailed it, and we were all wrong. It's a bit self-congratulatory for my liking, but it was pretty much spot on. Nothing changed with Odell.
I can see lots of teams going for him  
George : 12/4/2019 11:16 am : link
Dallas ($$$, no one gives a shit about personal behavior)
Arizona (Murray's got some game)
Miami (no state taxes, plus lots of power boats, plus Justin Bieber)
Cincinnati (ahhh no)
New England (desperate for weapons - see Josh Gordon, Antonio Brown)
J-E-T-S Jets Jets Je... ahhh no

Remember back to the opening of training camp  
Jay on the Island : 12/4/2019 11:23 am : link
NFL Network was live in Cleveland during their first day of practice and afterwards they did this big interview with Odell and Landry along with Kim Jones. What happened to all the love?


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OBJ was sent to die in Cleveland  
Stan in LA : 12/4/2019 11:31 am : link
And that's what happened.

Bravo!
His salary including workout and roster bonuses will average  
Ira : 12/4/2019 11:40 am : link
something in the neighborhood of $15 m - maybe a little more.
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