They aren’t turning a blind eye to the massive amounts of turnovers Daniel Jones has had. Haskins has a worse oline then the Giants and isn’t fumbling left and right.
They aren’t turning a blind eye to the massive amounts of turnovers Daniel Jones has had. Haskins has a worse oline then the Giants and isn’t fumbling left and right.
The fumbles are definitely an issue, but Haskins has thrown 2 TDs in 4 starts and has 3 starts with 0 TD passes. Jones has thrown at least 1 TD in every start.
Haskins has also completed only 54% of his passes for a 6.0 yards/att and with a 4.5% INT rate. Jones has completed 61.6% of his passes for 6.4 yards/att and a 3.0% INT rate.
Finally, in his 4 starts the Skins average 18.5 ppg. In Jones' 10 starts, the Giants average 19.9 ppg.
Outside of not fumbling when he gets hit/sacked (admittedly a big concern that Jones needs to fix), how has Haskins been better?
Haskins has barley played. He has a stronger arm but is less accurate so far. I'll take accurate over strength but Jones needs to protect the ball better.
Haskins has barley played. He has a stronger arm but is less accurate so far. I'll take accurate over strength but Jones needs to protect the ball better.
"He has a stronger arm"
No...he does not. Jones has the stronger arm. See below:
They aren’t turning a blind eye to the massive amounts of turnovers Daniel Jones has had. Haskins has a worse oline then the Giants and isn’t fumbling left and right.
The fumbles are definitely an issue, but Haskins has thrown 2 TDs in 4 starts and has 3 starts with 0 TD passes. Jones has thrown at least 1 TD in every start.
Haskins has also completed only 54% of his passes for a 6.0 yards/att and with a 4.5% INT rate. Jones has completed 61.6% of his passes for 6.4 yards/att and a 3.0% INT rate.
Finally, in his 4 starts the Skins average 18.5 ppg. In Jones' 10 starts, the Giants average 19.9 ppg.
Outside of not fumbling when he gets hit/sacked (admittedly a big concern that Jones needs to fix), how has Haskins been better?
I’m not saying Haskins is better, just pointing out turnovers are just a bigger part of the equation in their analysis.
To early to completely judge both players. It’s not inaccurate to say DJ is a turn over machine right now and that hurts the team more then it helps.
But I think fumbling is far more correctable than poor decision making and/or the inability to fit throws into tight windows. Outside of last game, Jones has been very good on both those accounts.
And whether he is or isn't now has little impact on what either will be. It's a stupid thing to talk about at this stage. But I get that's how it goes.
But I think fumbling is far more correctable than poor decision making and/or the inability to fit throws into tight windows. Outside of last game, Jones has been very good on both those accounts.
It's way too early to call which QB will be better long term but it is fun to debate. Full disclosure, prior to the draft I was not a Haskins fan at all. My preference was to draft defense or OT at 1.06 and Drew Lock at 1.17.
That being said, I think you are overrating Jones' decision making. I wouldn't be too giddy over the INT%. He has made a fairly significant number of horrendous throws over the last 6 weeks or so that should have been picked off.
with that noodle arm of his (and his many Y1 fumbles). Velocity is a stat, and like all stats, should be viewed in the greater context.
Putting arm strength aside, Jones has many positive intangibles that don't show up on the stat sheet. Haskins, to this point, has shown a number of negative intangibles.
if you didn't open the link, it is not an article on how Haskins is better than Jones. It is a ranking of all NFL QBs based on their own metrics (which they choose and weight as they see fit). In the rankings, Haskins is higher than Jones. As pointed out, they also have Tannehill ranked higher than Rodgers and Mahomes. Nobody is suggesting Tannehill is better than either of those guys.
The thread title is very misleading.
To be fair, it's easier for Haskins to "avoid turnover worthy plays" Â
And by the scorecard - DJ's turnovers have really lowered him.
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his No. 3 ranking in turnover-worthy play percentage (5.5%) looms large. He’s made ill-advised decisions, but it’s his pocket presence and subsequent fumbles that have been the biggest issue.
I don't think that's unfair. If he improves in turnovers, so will his PFF. If he doesn't, we'll be complaining about ball security like Tampa fans do of Jameis. I personally think he will figure it out / the OL will improve. But to dismiss the turnovers in his 2019 evaluation would be subjective and incorrect.
RE: It's not a future projection - it's a scorecard Â
And by the scorecard - DJ's turnovers have really lowered him.
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his No. 3 ranking in turnover-worthy play percentage (5.5%) looms large. He’s made ill-advised decisions, but it’s his pocket presence and subsequent fumbles that have been the biggest issue.
I don't think that's unfair. If he improves in turnovers, so will his PFF. If he doesn't, we'll be complaining about ball security like Tampa fans do of Jameis. I personally think he will figure it out / the OL will improve. But to dismiss the turnovers in his 2019 evaluation would be subjective and incorrect.
But what is his score if we ignore his fumbles. They are not his fault anyway. So I heard on BBI.
ha, Haskins makes Andy Dalton look like Johnny Unitas Â
11 interceptions
8/9 Fumbles (I actually found sources that said 8 and others said 9)
That's 19/20 turnovers which is a shit ton. Daniel has a ton of potential but until he fixes his turnover problem, he has a turnover problem. This is a non-starter for any franchise that wants to win a Superbowl. I think this is where PFF is coming from. They won't write an algorithm based on wishes and hopes. It has to come down to what is happening at this moment.
Haskins hasn't done much to win them games but he also isn't as much as a liability that Jones is under their model. That's all that PFF is saying and I'm not sure why this is controversial.
11 interceptions
8/9 Fumbles (I actually found sources that said 8 and others said 9)
That's 19/20 turnovers which is a shit ton. Daniel has a ton of potential but until he fixes his turnover problem, he has a turnover problem. This is a non-starter for any franchise that wants to win a Superbowl. I think this is where PFF is coming from. They won't write an algorithm based on wishes and hopes. It has to come down to what is happening at this moment.
Haskins hasn't done much to win them games but he also isn't as much as a liability that Jones is under their model. That's all that PFF is saying and I'm not sure why this is controversial.
When it comes to turnovers, it is the combination of fumbles lost and interceptions. But to see the bigger picture, we should consider all his fumbles. A few were recovered by OL that just so happened to be in the area at the right time. And others, Daniel recovered. These aren't a loss in possession, but still a negative play.
He has lost 10 fumbles, but has fumbled 15 times. He has 11 interceptions. He has 21 turnovers.
The other concern are the sacks. Not just from the physical beating, but the overall negative play and loss of yards. He has lost 263 yards on 33 sacks. More than 2 1/2 football fields in lost yardage and he hasn't played a full 16 games. Daniel Jones Stats - ( New Window )
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I am sure the Jones/Haskins comparison as well as Darnold....will continue.
But so far, Jones passes eyetest, Haskin does not
The fumbles are definitely an issue, but Haskins has thrown 2 TDs in 4 starts and has 3 starts with 0 TD passes. Jones has thrown at least 1 TD in every start.
Haskins has also completed only 54% of his passes for a 6.0 yards/att and with a 4.5% INT rate. Jones has completed 61.6% of his passes for 6.4 yards/att and a 3.0% INT rate.
Finally, in his 4 starts the Skins average 18.5 ppg. In Jones' 10 starts, the Giants average 19.9 ppg.
Outside of not fumbling when he gets hit/sacked (admittedly a big concern that Jones needs to fix), how has Haskins been better?
"He has a stronger arm"
No...he does not. Jones has the stronger arm. See below:
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They aren’t turning a blind eye to the massive amounts of turnovers Daniel Jones has had. Haskins has a worse oline then the Giants and isn’t fumbling left and right.
The fumbles are definitely an issue, but Haskins has thrown 2 TDs in 4 starts and has 3 starts with 0 TD passes. Jones has thrown at least 1 TD in every start.
Haskins has also completed only 54% of his passes for a 6.0 yards/att and with a 4.5% INT rate. Jones has completed 61.6% of his passes for 6.4 yards/att and a 3.0% INT rate.
Finally, in his 4 starts the Skins average 18.5 ppg. In Jones' 10 starts, the Giants average 19.9 ppg.
Outside of not fumbling when he gets hit/sacked (admittedly a big concern that Jones needs to fix), how has Haskins been better?
I’m not saying Haskins is better, just pointing out turnovers are just a bigger part of the equation in their analysis.
To early to completely judge both players. It’s not inaccurate to say DJ is a turn over machine right now and that hurts the team more then it helps.
The fumbling will be fixed by a better OL.
And whether he is or isn't now has little impact on what either will be. It's a stupid thing to talk about at this stage. But I get that's how it goes.
It's way too early to call which QB will be better long term but it is fun to debate. Full disclosure, prior to the draft I was not a Haskins fan at all. My preference was to draft defense or OT at 1.06 and Drew Lock at 1.17.
That being said, I think you are overrating Jones' decision making. I wouldn't be too giddy over the INT%. He has made a fairly significant number of horrendous throws over the last 6 weeks or so that should have been picked off.
I hope the Giants can provide a cast as good as Eli had from 2005-2012 including a great coach.
Putting arm strength aside, Jones has many positive intangibles that don't show up on the stat sheet. Haskins, to this point, has shown a number of negative intangibles.
The thread title is very misleading.
Jones has yet to attempt less than 30 passes in a game through 10 starts.
Even Washington's interim coach is smarter than Pat Shurmur.
But he is awful.
Haskins makes two or three nice throws a game but has not demonstrated any consistency.
The Redskins are playing better because of a good offensive line and a productive running game.
The person who wrote the article clearly doesn't watch the Washington games. Haskins does not past the eye test.
I am not defending Jones as he has his foibles but the author must be a Skins fan.
Again.
I don't think that's unfair. If he improves in turnovers, so will his PFF. If he doesn't, we'll be complaining about ball security like Tampa fans do of Jameis. I personally think he will figure it out / the OL will improve. But to dismiss the turnovers in his 2019 evaluation would be subjective and incorrect.
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his No. 3 ranking in turnover-worthy play percentage (5.5%) looms large. He’s made ill-advised decisions, but it’s his pocket presence and subsequent fumbles that have been the biggest issue.
I don't think that's unfair. If he improves in turnovers, so will his PFF. If he doesn't, we'll be complaining about ball security like Tampa fans do of Jameis. I personally think he will figure it out / the OL will improve. But to dismiss the turnovers in his 2019 evaluation would be subjective and incorrect.
But what is his score if we ignore his fumbles. They are not his fault anyway. So I heard on BBI.
8/9 Fumbles (I actually found sources that said 8 and others said 9)
That's 19/20 turnovers which is a shit ton. Daniel has a ton of potential but until he fixes his turnover problem, he has a turnover problem. This is a non-starter for any franchise that wants to win a Superbowl. I think this is where PFF is coming from. They won't write an algorithm based on wishes and hopes. It has to come down to what is happening at this moment.
Haskins hasn't done much to win them games but he also isn't as much as a liability that Jones is under their model. That's all that PFF is saying and I'm not sure why this is controversial.
8/9 Fumbles (I actually found sources that said 8 and others said 9)
That's 19/20 turnovers which is a shit ton. Daniel has a ton of potential but until he fixes his turnover problem, he has a turnover problem. This is a non-starter for any franchise that wants to win a Superbowl. I think this is where PFF is coming from. They won't write an algorithm based on wishes and hopes. It has to come down to what is happening at this moment.
Haskins hasn't done much to win them games but he also isn't as much as a liability that Jones is under their model. That's all that PFF is saying and I'm not sure why this is controversial.
When it comes to turnovers, it is the combination of fumbles lost and interceptions. But to see the bigger picture, we should consider all his fumbles. A few were recovered by OL that just so happened to be in the area at the right time. And others, Daniel recovered. These aren't a loss in possession, but still a negative play.
He has lost 10 fumbles, but has fumbled 15 times. He has 11 interceptions. He has 21 turnovers.
The other concern are the sacks. Not just from the physical beating, but the overall negative play and loss of yards. He has lost 263 yards on 33 sacks. More than 2 1/2 football fields in lost yardage and he hasn't played a full 16 games.
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