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Eli Manning to Start This Week Against Eagles

Anando : 12/4/2019 10:55 am
Per Twitter. Just announced
Twitter:  
Anando : 12/4/2019 10:56 am : link
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Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
Daniel Jones in a boot + has moderate high ankle sprain, per Pat Shurmur. He couldn’t play if Giants had game today. Shurmur compared it to what Saquon Barkley had, slightly less severe. Barkley missed three games. So get ready for the return of Eli Manning on Monday vs Eagles.
So this will essentially ensure  
The_Boss : 12/4/2019 10:57 am : link
Eli finishes his career sub .500
Twitter v2  
Anando : 12/4/2019 10:57 am : link
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Paul Schwartz
@NYPost_Schwartz
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Daniel Jones is in a boot.
Has a moderate high ankle sprain.
Won’t be ready to play Monday in Philly.
It will be Eli Manning as the starting quarterback, once again.
Perhaps for the remainder of the season.
Welcome to the sub .500 club  
Chef : 12/4/2019 10:57 am : link
Eli...
If Eli lights it up  
bradshaw44 : 12/4/2019 10:57 am : link
Oh my...
Twitter v3:  
Anando : 12/4/2019 10:57 am : link
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Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
BREAKING: Daniel Jones will very likely miss Monday’s game against Eagles, which means Eli Manning is back as the starting quarterback for the Giants.

Jones’ right ankle is in a protective boot. He won’t practice today and tomorrow and Pat Shurmur says injury similar to Saquon.
Wow.  
90.Cal : 12/4/2019 10:59 am : link
Promoted
Paul Schwartz
@NYPost_Schwartz
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Giants did not think Jones’ ankle was imported this badly.
The soreness got worse, he got an MRI and it revealed the high ankle sprain
The way the Giants luck goes  
David B. : 12/4/2019 10:59 am : link
Eli will finally beat them and take the Giants out of getting Chase Young.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2019 10:59 am : link
Of all the freaking teams to start against!
Queue the "This is what happens with mobile QBs" morons  
Mike from Ohio : 12/4/2019 10:59 am : link
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Whoa  
NoPeanutz : 12/4/2019 10:59 am : link
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Twitter v4  
Anando : 12/4/2019 11:00 am : link
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Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
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In a cruel twist to Giants season: Strong chance TE Evan Engram (foot) and WR Golden Tate (concussion) return Monday, giving Giants all their healthy weapons for first time this season. ... Only Jones likes won’t get to work with them.
I hate when coaches speak on Monday and Tuesday  
Essex : 12/4/2019 11:00 am : link
and say the guy is "fine" when he is not. I know it is for a competitive advantage, but it still bothers me.
Ugh  
Go Terps : 12/4/2019 11:00 am : link
.
DJ already missing a game  
Oscar : 12/4/2019 11:01 am : link
Puts Eli’s consistency in context.
So now we don't even  
Metnut : 12/4/2019 11:01 am : link
get more time to evaluate Jones when we're looking at a top 2 pick in a draft that has 2 potential franchise QBs up top.

This year just gets uglier.
Omg...  
Dnew15 : 12/4/2019 11:01 am : link
what a dumpster fire.
everybody relax  
NoPeanutz : 12/4/2019 11:02 am : link
I'm sure the coaches have a gameplan for this.
I hope Eli  
Football Giants : 12/4/2019 11:02 am : link
Gets the last laugh and dismantles them
RE: ...  
The_Boss : 12/4/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14702516 Eric from BBI said:
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Of all the freaking teams to start against!


A rusty Eli vs a desperate Eagle team?
I’m guessing he’s sacked 5 times and turns it over 3.
NYG lose 35-10
lost  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2019 11:02 am : link
in all of this is the fact that Daniel Jones played with a high ankle sprain last Sunday.

Tough son-of-a-bitch.
RE: The way the Giants luck goes  
riceneggs : 12/4/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14702515 David B. said:
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Eli will finally beat them and take the Giants out of getting Chase Young.


my thoughts exactly. we are definetly about to screw up our draft position
Geno Smith  
NoPeanutz : 12/4/2019 11:02 am : link
wasn't available?
Oh baby  
GiantEgo : 12/4/2019 11:03 am : link
Just for the entertainment value can you imagine the shit storm of confusion that would descend if they won the remainder of their games with Eli at QB.

Eli's final revenge, saving Shurmer's job!
Correct me if I’m wrong  
Nine-Tails : 12/4/2019 11:03 am : link
But when Jones was announced as starter, didn’t Shurmur say Eli is only an ankle sprain away from playing!
RE: ...  
rnargi : 12/4/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14702516 Eric from BBI said:
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Of all the freaking teams to start against!


I dunno, Eric...it might work out ok....

;>)
Get that SH$% out of here! - ( New Window )
I might need to go ahead and take Tuesday off work.  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2019 11:05 am : link
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Ok  
Chris684 : 12/4/2019 11:05 am : link
Eli starts Monday night and kicks the Eagles ass and all but finishes their playoff dreams. Career record back over .500.

Jones returns following weeks and plays well but we still lose, remain in the 2nd draft slot and still fire Shurmur.

Who's with me?
Early Christmas present for the media.  
bceagle05 : 12/4/2019 11:05 am : link
They get an extra month of Eli-bashing. Booger McFarland's already sharpening his knives for Monday night.
RE: RE: The way the Giants luck goes  
beatrixkiddo : 12/4/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14702536 riceneggs said:
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In comment 14702515 David B. said:


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Eli will finally beat them and take the Giants out of getting Chase Young.



my thoughts exactly. we are definetly about to screw up our draft position


With our luck you know this is happening. Fucking cursed.
Ok so Eli gets to finish with a losing record  
Junior22 : 12/4/2019 11:06 am : link
This guarantees we get to 2 pick
Eli will save  
Silver Spoon : 12/4/2019 11:06 am : link
Shurmur!
Wow  
Giantology : 12/4/2019 11:06 am : link
This season fucking sucks.
RE: RE: The way the Giants luck goes  
The_Boss : 12/4/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14702536 riceneggs said:
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In comment 14702515 David B. said:


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Eli will finally beat them and take the Giants out of getting Chase Young.



my thoughts exactly. we are definetly about to screw up our draft position


Let’s assume Jones is done for the year, just for shits and giggles. Eli is going to beat the Eagles twice in the same season? How many times in his career has that actually happened??
Well at the very least  
Beef Wellington : 12/4/2019 11:06 am : link
it gives me a reason to watch wearing my favorite Giant jersey.
Am I the only one.....  
Tom [Giants fan] : 12/4/2019 11:07 am : link
who is a little happy to see Eli play one more time before he leaves the Giants? Oh well, I am!
Nate Solder et al better get their heads out of their asses.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/4/2019 11:07 am : link
I've got no stomach for Eli being embarrassed on national TV because the shitheads in front of him don't block anyone.
I hear Eli is going to make all his critics  
Jimmy Googs : 12/4/2019 11:07 am : link
eat a shit sandwich...
It was clear as day that Jones was injured on that 4th & 1.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/4/2019 11:08 am : link
Yet this moron keeps trotting him out there, which I'm sure as hell bet didn't help matters.

JFC.
RE: So now we don't even  
crackerjack465 : 12/4/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14702527 Metnut said:
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get more time to evaluate Jones when we're looking at a top 2 pick in a draft that has 2 potential franchise QBs up top.

This year just gets uglier.


I think you were already in for a surprise if you really thought we were considering taking another QB this year. 0.00% chance.
These  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2019 11:09 am : link
last four games may be the four games that determine Eli's HOF chances.

Eli should tell Shurmur to shove it  
BeckShepEli : 12/4/2019 11:09 am : link
and have shurmur start Tanney. No need for Eli to drop below .500 because Pat Shurmur doesnt know how to coach
If Eli wants to play elsewhere next year  
bceagle05 : 12/4/2019 11:10 am : link
this is quite the opportunity for him.
RE: lost  
Eli Wilson : 12/4/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14702535 Eric from BBI said:
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in all of this is the fact that Daniel Jones played with a high ankle sprain last Sunday.

Tough son-of-a-bitch.


+1000
RE: These  
The_Boss : 12/4/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14702559 Eric from BBI said:
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last four games may be the four games that determine Eli's HOF chances.


If so, the NYG should just start Tanney and not fuck Eli one last time for the road.
wanted ELI benched,  
bigblue18 : 12/4/2019 11:11 am : link
but excited to see him again
RE: lost  
Zepp : 12/4/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14702535 Eric from BBI said:
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in all of this is the fact that Daniel Jones played with a high ankle sprain last Sunday.

Tough son-of-a-bitch.


Eric obviously we aren't MD's and we don't know how serious the DJ injury. Saquon missed 3 games with a mild sprain. But even if it is mild, even more mild than Saquon is there any reason to trot DJ out quickly? It seems to me its almost like setting up the perfect scenario where the team can give Eli one more home game start 2 weeks from now. Is that too far fetched?
So BBI thinks  
Junior22 : 12/4/2019 11:11 am : link
An old 40 yrs old qb cold from not getting hit is going to torch the eagles or any NFL defense?

Dude is going to take a pounding after a long layoff. He is old and can't avoid a rush

We might lose out
Saquon will go for 200  
GeneInCal : 12/4/2019 11:11 am : link
Eli 250+ and we win. Book it.
See I'm actually pumped  
HoodieGelo : 12/4/2019 11:12 am : link
This actually has me excited to see the game. It will suck if we lose and he drops below .500 but now we can all soak it in that this very well is Eli's last time playing in Big Blue.

We are very lucky and fortunate in that regard. We will know to appreciate this moment more.

It's a win-win. We win, Eli gets a final W. We lose, we keep our draft position.
RE: These  
Rjanyg : 12/4/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14702559 Eric from BBI said:
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last four games may be the four games that determine Eli's HOF chances.


That is sucky. Let's see if our run game improves, with Eli being able to check to a run. Barkley may see more passes his way too.
Go Eli!  
crick n NC : 12/4/2019 11:13 am : link
How could you not root for him to beat Philly!? I'm not saying anyone on this thread is saying that, but I am excited! Nothing against Jones either.
RE: So BBI thinks  
Rjanyg : 12/4/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14702569 Junior22 said:
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An old 40 yrs old qb cold from not getting hit is going to torch the eagles or any NFL defense?

Dude is going to take a pounding after a long layoff. He is old and can't avoid a rush

We might lose out


We may try to run the ball with power. We don't know how much of the O Line issues have been with Jones and the communication with the Center.
kinda takes whatever enjoyment we had left in the season  
Essex : 12/4/2019 11:14 am : link
out of it.
RE: See I'm actually pumped  
HoodieGelo : 12/4/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14702573 HoodieGelo said:
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This actually has me excited to see the game. It will suck if we lose and he drops below .500 but now we can all soak it in that this very well is Eli's last time playing in Big Blue.

We are very lucky and fortunate in that regard. We will know to appreciate this moment more.

It's a win-win. We win, Eli gets a final W. We lose, we keep our draft position.


If DJ misses the rest of the season...well I'm sorry but I wanna see Eli 4-0. I don't care if it screws us out of Chase Young or Shurmur keeping his job. I wanna see Eli silence his critics and fucking go 4-0.
I was on the race for Chase bandwagon as hard as anybody  
Thankyoueli : 12/4/2019 11:15 am : link
But this changes everything.

4-0 for Eli. Fuck it.
Jones starting streak ends at 10  
Rjanyg : 12/4/2019 11:15 am : link
Eli is not impressed
Playoffs here we come!  
jeff57 : 12/4/2019 11:15 am : link
Oh. Wait.
Certainly makes game  
Chip : 12/4/2019 11:15 am : link
more watchable. I am glad to see him play again.
RE: RE: So BBI thinks  
Junior22 : 12/4/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14702576 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 14702569 Junior22 said:


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An old 40 yrs old qb cold from not getting hit is going to torch the eagles or any NFL defense?

Dude is going to take a pounding after a long layoff. He is old and can't avoid a rush

We might lose out



We may try to run the ball with power. We don't know how much of the O Line issues have been with Jones and the communication with the Center.


So now Jones is the reason the oline sucks. Hahahahah
I hope Eli does well, but let's be honest-  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/4/2019 11:16 am : link
This probably isn't going to be pretty with this OL.
I love Eli, best Giant of my lifetime  
Oscar : 12/4/2019 11:17 am : link
Hope he has a long and happy life.

I also hope he goes 0-4 if he’s going to start all of these games. Winning now is not a good outcome.

2-14 is the goal.
RE: ...  
jvm52106 : 12/4/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14702516 Eric from BBI said:
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Of all the freaking teams to start against!


This to me is Eli's goodbye tour- which also is Pat Shurmur's bye bye tour.

Jones's injury may or may not be that severe but, it is a built in excuse to get Eli some final games in a Giants uniform and keep Jones from looking worse before off to the coaching search..
Pretty much the worst news possible  
arniefez : 12/4/2019 11:18 am : link
Hopefully it's only for one game.
RE: Pretty much the worst news possible  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14702591 arniefez said:
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Hopefully it's only for one game.


No, the worst possible news would be a torn ACL for Jones or Barkley.
Let s go  
joeinpa : 12/4/2019 11:20 am : link
Eli

Beat the dam Eagles
RE: Queue the  
Touchdown maker : 12/4/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14702517 Mike from Ohio said:
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It is what happens with Mobil quarterbacks though
If Eli plays last 4 games  
Junior22 : 12/4/2019 11:21 am : link
That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point

Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet
If Chicago beats Dallas  
jvm52106 : 12/4/2019 11:21 am : link
which is possible, Thursday night then watch out for the Eagles to absolutely light us up Monday. They will be pissed about the Dolphins game, they will be amped up about the division still open and Eli is a perfect QB for them to Tee off on as he cannot escape the pocket.
I'm disappointed that Jones is hurt and may miss a game, but at the  
Ira : 12/4/2019 11:22 am : link
same time, I'm excited at the thought of seeing Eli play another game before he goes.
RE: If Eli plays last 4 games  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14702600 Junior22 said:
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That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point

Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet


Bye.
RE: RE: RE: So BBI thinks  
Mike in ramapo college : 12/4/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14702585 Junior22 said:
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In comment 14702576 Rjanyg said:


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In comment 14702569 Junior22 said:


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An old 40 yrs old qb cold from not getting hit is going to torch the eagles or any NFL defense?

Dude is going to take a pounding after a long layoff. He is old and can't avoid a rush

We might lose out



We may try to run the ball with power. We don't know how much of the O Line issues have been with Jones and the communication with the Center.



So now Jones is the reason the oline sucks. Hahahahah


Likely not the case, but the line did appear more competent in the first 2 games of the season. Small sample size, of course. But we all know Eli is good at pre-snap reads, so maybe there is SOMETHING to it. I guess we will find out.
My emotions are so mixed...  
moze1021 : 12/4/2019 11:23 am : link
Excited to see Eli play again...

But sad that it's come to this...

Was rooting for 4 losses to end the year, but I simply can't root against Eli at this point.

Also this speaks to Eli's toughness. Jones couldn't make it beyond 10 straight games played...
This franchise is getting what it deserves.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/4/2019 11:23 am : link
Now their former franchise QB will be retiring with a sub .500 record.

Karma.
Eli can throw for 500 yards  
Dankbeerman : 12/4/2019 11:23 am : link
and 5 tds and our sorry ass deffense will still get torched and it will be his fault we lose.
It’ll never happen but: Start Tanney; pull him after the first series  
The_Boss : 12/4/2019 11:24 am : link
Don’t pin the (highly likely) loss on Eli’s resume. A sub .500 record will fuck his HOF chances. You’ve fucked him over enough these last 7 years. Don’t do it one last time; this time with real repercussions to his legacy.
I want this team to finish 2-14  
Go Terps : 12/4/2019 11:24 am : link
That would be the worst record this team's had, I believe, since the Johnson administration. Something like that might shock John Mara into real action.
I doubt Jones is back this year  
GiantEgo : 12/4/2019 11:24 am : link
If his sprain is bad enough they already know he can't play Monday. Also explains his uncharacteristically errant throws in that game.
I'm not sure how this helps Pat Shurmur at all  
Chris684 : 12/4/2019 11:24 am : link
regardless of outcome.

Shurmur's last experience with Daniel Jones was keeping him in a snow game with a high ankle sprain.

Any type of progress Mara might be looking for would presumably be much more important with Jones in there as they headed for year 2 together. Eli winning a couple of games here might lead Mara to believe two things.

1) Shurmur pulled Eli too early.

2) This is much more about Eli than Shurmur.
So this 4 game stretch with a crappy team  
LS : 12/4/2019 11:25 am : link
could end Eli's HOF chances? Seriously? wow
RE: Eli can throw for 500 yards  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14702610 Dankbeerman said:
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and 5 tds and our sorry ass deffense will still get torched and it will be his fault we lose.


That's best case scenario in my eyes.
If our OL plays like they have  
Stan in LA : 12/4/2019 11:25 am : link
Eli wiLl have NO CHANCE.
RE: Geno Smith  
clatterbuck : 12/4/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14702537 NoPeanutz said:
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wasn't available?

Bingo.
Probably the best thing for Jones. Not because I want him hurt  
Blue21 : 12/4/2019 11:27 am : link
but let's face it I'm surprised he hasn't gotten seriously hurt with this Oline the way he was getting crushed every week. Now he can sit back and critique what he's seeing. He's got 10 games of experience. Come back next year fresh. I'm always cheering for a Giants win but I'm not expecting anything different than I saw in week 1 or 2.
I actually think we may win now Monday night..  
Sean : 12/4/2019 11:27 am : link
Anything that saves this regime is not good. I’ll expect the offense to look better than it has since the TB game.
RE: These  
an_idol_mind : 12/4/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14702559 Eric from BBI said:
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last four games may be the four games that determine Eli's HOF chances.


That's possibly true, but it also pisses me off that the voters think like that. Eli's body of work is such that four games at the end of his career should have no impact on the decision.

It's kinda similar to Coughlin. If Coughlin had retired at the end of the 2011 season, he would be a shoe-in for the Hall of Fame. But when his time for consideration comes, his four sub-par seasons will be a factor that might keep him out.
RE: I actually think we may win now Monday night..  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/4/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14702622 Sean said:
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Anything that saves this regime is not good. I’ll expect the offense to look better than it has since the TB game.


I seriously doubt we're going to win this game. I'm expecting a 30-10 type score. Another blowout.
If you had told me on 12/4/2017  
jc in c-ville : 12/4/2019 11:29 am : link
That this shit show I was watching would actually be worse on 12/4/2019, I couldn't imagine how that was possible.

Well, it is.
RE: Eli should tell Shurmur to shove it  
an_idol_mind : 12/4/2019 11:29 am : link
In comment 14702562 BeckShepEli said:
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and have shurmur start Tanney. No need for Eli to drop below .500 because Pat Shurmur doesnt know how to coach


Thankfully, Eli is not that petty.
an_idol_mind  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2019 11:29 am : link
The voters are stupid.
It does suck that Eli's career record is going to be under .500.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/4/2019 11:30 am : link
Ammunition for his detractors. Thank God I took Tuesday off. Monday is going to be U-G-L-Y.
When did Eli turn 40. How about we take 2 years off his age and  
fredgbrown : 12/4/2019 11:30 am : link
say he is 36. Who needs the media to go after ELi when
you have Giants fans on BBI to attack him.
Business is picking up!  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2019 11:31 am : link
This next five weeks is going to be a rollercoaster ride for the Giants!
RE: RE: I actually think we may win now Monday night..  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/4/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14702625 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14702622 Sean said:


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Anything that saves this regime is not good. I’ll expect the offense to look better than it has since the TB game.



I seriously doubt we're going to win this game. I'm expecting a 30-10 type score. Another blowout.


Eli looked GREAT in the first two games of the season. Don't you remember?
Business is picking up! These next five weeks are going to be crazy!  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2019 11:32 am : link
-Shurmur on the hotseat
-Jones hurt, Manning re-inserted as starter
-Ron Rivera looming

Gonna' be a roller coaster for sure. Merry Christmas, New York Media.
Come on Eric  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/4/2019 11:32 am : link
these four games have no impact on Eli and the HOF. The only variable will be time. If anything, the narrative has switched from Eli being the issue to poor coaching, management and ownership.

One thing I will look for is if the Giants running game improves with Eli changing plays and making OL calls.

RE: RE: lost  
rocco8112 : 12/4/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14702564 Eli Wilson said:
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In comment 14702535 Eric from BBI said:


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in all of this is the fact that Daniel Jones played with a high ankle sprain last Sunday.

Tough son-of-a-bitch.



+1000


Agree , tough.

The backup playing Monday night never missed a game!

Astounding, Jones is out of commison ten games into his career.

There is tough and then there is hall of fame tough.
Go Eli  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/4/2019 11:34 am : link
Hope he kicks the ever-loving shit out of Philly
RE:  
David B. : 12/4/2019 11:34 am : link
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Let’s assume Jones is done for the year, just for shits and giggles. Eli is going to beat the Eagles twice in the same season? How many times in his career has that actually happened??


The ONLY time the Eli-led Giants consistently beat the Eagles (or swept them) was when Burress was on the team. Plax OWNED the Eagles. They have beat them ONLY 4 times since 2008.

Regardless -- one more win might be enough to screw up their draft position. But that's the kind of luck they've had this year.
RE: Come on Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/4/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14702637 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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these four games have no impact on Eli and the HOF. The only variable will be time. If anything, the narrative has switched from Eli being the issue to poor coaching, management and ownership.

One thing I will look for is if the Giants running game improves with Eli changing plays and making OL calls.


I don't think you fully understand just how moronic sports writers are. Eli Manning is not respected by the bulk of them. They are only looking for an excuse to keep him out.
RE: Business is picking up!  
GiantEgo : 12/4/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14702634 Britt in VA said:
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This next five weeks is going to be a rollercoaster ride for the Giants!


Exactly, this potentially adds some fun to the rest of the season. Unfortunately this defense will probably snuff out any chances for Eli to go out in heroic fashion.
RE: When did Eli turn 40. How about we take 2 years off his age and  
Big Rick in FL : 12/4/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14702631 fredgbrown said:
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say he is 36. Who needs the media to go after ELi when
you have Giants fans on BBI to attack him.


He'll be 39 in less than a month.

Why do people all of a sudden think Eli is some savior? He was horrible the first two weeks.
RE: So now we don't even  
cokeduplt : 12/4/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14702527 Metnut said:
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get more time to evaluate Jones when we're looking at a top 2 pick in a draft that has 2 potential franchise QBs up top.

This year just gets uglier.


They’re not drafting another QB anyway
I'm not sure if I'm reading this right but Vegas moved  
V.I.G. : 12/4/2019 11:35 am : link
the spread back from -8 to -9.5.

Will check another source to confirm.
RE: I want this team to finish 2-14  
Scooter185 : 12/4/2019 11:36 am : link
In comment 14702613 Go Terps said:
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That would be the worst record this team's had, I believe, since the Johnson administration. Something like that might shock John Mara into real action.


I said this since at least the preseason. 0-16 would force Mara to clean house. I'll settle for 2-14
RE: RE: When did Eli turn 40. How about we take 2 years off his age and  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/4/2019 11:36 am : link
In comment 14702644 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 14702631 fredgbrown said:


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say he is 36. Who needs the media to go after ELi when
you have Giants fans on BBI to attack him.



He'll be 39 in less than a month.

Why do people all of a sudden think Eli is some savior? He was horrible the first two weeks.


They don't. It's a defense mechanism until he retires with a sub .500 record. THEN, it gets interesting.
RE: RE: I actually think we may win now Monday night..  
rocco8112 : 12/4/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14702625 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14702622 Sean said:


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Anything that saves this regime is not good. I’ll expect the offense to look better than it has since the TB game.



I seriously doubt we're going to win this game. I'm expecting a 30-10 type score. Another blowout.


I would love for the Giants to win this game with Eli, but there is no way in hell that is happening.

Three score blowout.
As Eric said  
Matt in SGS : 12/4/2019 11:38 am : link
Jones is a tough SOB staying in.

It also points to a couple of things

- He got hurt on the QB sneak on 4th down. I know that I've killed Coughlin in the past for not using the QB sneak on short yardage. Coughlin said he didn't do it because Eli wasn't great at it, and he didn't want guys getting free shots on your QB. Well, this year we've now seen Mahomes and Jones knocked out from the QB sneak. So chalk one up for Coughlin back in the day.

- Jones' late INTs now make more sense, particularly his pick that was towards Shepard when wide open. Throwing on a snowy field without your lower body to fully push will make the ball sail.

And as mentioned above, how the hell is Shurmur leaving his franchise QB in the game with a high ankle sprain in the snow. I'm sure Jones said he'll stay in, but there has to be some eyes from the coaches/trainers that saw that something was off and maybe get him out of the game.

I hope this doesn't end Jones' season, and maybe he comes back for the final Eagle game, but would anyone be stunned if this ends his season?
Somewhere in the US...  
bw in dc : 12/4/2019 11:38 am : link
dep is doing cartwheels...
RE: RE:  
Big Rick in FL : 12/4/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14702641 David B. said:
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Let’s assume Jones is done for the year, just for shits and giggles. Eli is going to beat the Eagles twice in the same season? How many times in his career has that actually happened??



The ONLY time the Eli-led Giants consistently beat the Eagles (or swept them) was when Burress was on the team. Plax OWNED the Eagles. They have beat them ONLY 4 times since 2008.

Regardless -- one more win might be enough to screw up their draft position. But that's the kind of luck they've had this year.


We should still be good with 1 win. I'm not sure I expect us to get even 1 win now. At least Jones could move the ball and keep the defense somewhat fresh. Eli can't do that. So I'm expecting the Eagles to put up 40 this week.
RE: So this 4 game stretch with a crappy team  
Go Terps : 12/4/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14702616 LS said:
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could end Eli's HOF chances? Seriously? wow


As unfair as it sounds, I agree with Eric. Eli's looking at ending with a career record of 116-120 as a starter. The following QBs are in the HOF with a career sub-.500 record as a starter:

Joe Namath: 62-63-4
Sonny Jurgensen: 69-71-7

That's it. Currently, Eli's 116 losses is second most all time behind Testaverde at 122.

To me Eli's candidacy rests solely on those two Super Bowls. I don't think that's going to resonate with a big chunk of voters given the poor image he left the game with these last 7 years.
RE: I'm not sure if I'm reading this right but Vegas moved  
The_Boss : 12/4/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14702646 V.I.G. said:
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the spread back from -8 to -9.5.

Will check another source to confirm.


Makes some sense. Eli is bound to not be sharp. The Eagles tend to make him look silly (tons of sacks, fumbles lost, and ints). And physically we don’t match up with them along the LOS.
Do we think Mara had some say in this?  
BeckShepEli : 12/4/2019 11:40 am : link
Must be tough watching Packer fans take over the stadium last week and now with most likely a farewell tour for Eli it should guarantee the stadium being full for Miami and philly games with Eli's last starts. Could be wrong but just a thought
RE: I actually think we may win now Monday night..  
Go Terps : 12/4/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14702622 Sean said:
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Anything that saves this regime is not good. I’ll expect the offense to look better than it has since the TB game.


That would be interesting, and troubling.
RE: Do we think Mara had some say in this?  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14702664 BeckShepEli said:
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Must be tough watching Packer fans take over the stadium last week and now with most likely a farewell tour for Eli it should guarantee the stadium being full for Miami and philly games with Eli's last starts. Could be wrong but just a thought


What? Jones is in a walking boot. That's the only reason.
Without reading the thread  
Big Al : 12/4/2019 11:42 am : link
the title of the thread makes me sad that Eli will end his career with a losing record.
RE: RE: So this 4 game stretch with a crappy team  
bw in dc : 12/4/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14702660 Go Terps said:
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To me Eli's candidacy rests solely on those two Super Bowls. I don't think that's going to resonate with a big chunk of voters given the poor image he left the game with these last 7 years.


I think the SBs will carry extra weight because it was the Pats, Brady, and Belichick, especially the historical aspect of stopping the Pats undefeated season. Plus, the Pats aren't the darlings of the media. They have some stench with all of the scandals...

So that will likely be enough of a buffer for Eli as he slips below .500.
RE: Do we think Mara had some say in this?  
The_Boss : 12/4/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14702664 BeckShepEli said:
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Must be tough watching Packer fans take over the stadium last week and now with most likely a farewell tour for Eli it should guarantee the stadium being full for Miami and philly games with Eli's last starts. Could be wrong but just a thought


If Mara loves Eli as many say, he’s ok with tarnishing his W/L record? Prove your love to Eli, John. Instruct Shurm to start Tanney. If he resists, fire him on the spot.
Glad DJ is out  
David in Belmont : 12/4/2019 11:44 am : link
Kid is getting hit too many times because of the terrible OL.
Part of me wonders  
crick n NC : 12/4/2019 11:45 am : link
If some fans partially root for Eli to finish with a sub .500 record just to shovel more dirt in on him and the franchise. Humans have a tendency to be petty, I know, I speak from experience of being petty.
RE: As Eric said  
BillT : 12/4/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14702657 Matt in SGS said:Jones is a tough SOB staying in.

It also points to a couple of things

- He got hurt on the QB sneak on 4th down. I know that I've killed Coughlin in the past for not using the QB sneak on short yardage. Coughlin said he didn't do it because Eli wasn't great at it, and he didn't want guys getting free shots on your QB. Well, this year we've now seen Mahomes and Jones knocked out from the QB sneak. So chalk one up for Coughlin back in the day.

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This. If you're going to use your QB to gain positive yards or scramble to gain positive yards he's going to get hurt. Period. I'd be glad never to see a Giants' QB sneak again.
RE: Part of me wonders  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14702681 crick n NC said:
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If some fans partially root for Eli to finish with a sub .500 record just to shovel more dirt in on him and the franchise. Humans have a tendency to be petty, I know, I speak from experience of being petty.


Why wonder? It's clear as day.
RE: My emotions are so mixed...  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/4/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14702607 moze1021 said:
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Excited to see Eli play again...

But sad that it's come to this...

Was rooting for 4 losses to end the year, but I simply can't root against Eli at this point.

Also this speaks to Eli's toughness. Jones couldn't make it beyond 10 straight games played...


You don't think that it may have soemthing to do with the fact that Eli just refused to get hit the last 3 or so years. What it should speak to is Daniel Jones gutted through a high ankle last week and more thank likely would probably go Monday if the season wasn't lost.
RE: RE: Do we think Mara had some say in this?  
BeckShepEli : 12/4/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14702667 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14702664 BeckShepEli said:


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Must be tough watching Packer fans take over the stadium last week and now with most likely a farewell tour for Eli it should guarantee the stadium being full for Miami and philly games with Eli's last starts. Could be wrong but just a thought



What? Jones is in a walking boot. That's the only reason.


Britt i can go to CVS or Walgreens right now and put myself in a walking boot come on you must not be a conspiracy theory kind of guy
RE: Glad DJ is out  
V.I.G. : 12/4/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14702677 David in Belmont said:
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Kid is getting hit too many times because of the terrible OL.

Listen - I'm as critical of the OL and position coach as anyone.
But DJ could help himself more with better pre snap diagnosis - he'll get there eventually - but rookies take hits
RE: Part of me wonders  
Big Al : 12/4/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14702681 crick n NC said:
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If some fans partially root for Eli to finish with a sub .500 record just to shovel more dirt in on him and the franchise. Humans have a tendency to be petty, I know, I speak from experience of being petty.
I personally don’t feel he is a HOF qb but he should be respected for what he achieved.
RE: an_idol_mind  
an_idol_mind : 12/4/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14702629 Eric from BBI said:
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The voters are stupid.


No kidding. It's irritating because their stupidity makes the Hall of Fame mean less in my eyes.
RE: RE: Do we think Mara had some say in this?  
BeckShepEli : 12/4/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14702675 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14702664 BeckShepEli said:


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Must be tough watching Packer fans take over the stadium last week and now with most likely a farewell tour for Eli it should guarantee the stadium being full for Miami and philly games with Eli's last starts. Could be wrong but just a thought



If Mara loves Eli as many say, he’s ok with tarnishing his W/L record? Prove your love to Eli, John. Instruct Shurm to start Tanney. If he resists, fire him on the spot.


I can agree with that THe Boss. Good call
The Dolphins game should be intereting how many Giants fans  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/4/2019 11:49 am : link
show up.
RE: RE: My emotions are so mixed...  
rocco8112 : 12/4/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14702687 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14702607 moze1021 said:


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Excited to see Eli play again...

But sad that it's come to this...

Was rooting for 4 losses to end the year, but I simply can't root against Eli at this point.

Also this speaks to Eli's toughness. Jones couldn't make it beyond 10 straight games played...



You don't think that it may have soemthing to do with the fact that Eli just refused to get hit the last 3 or so years. What it should speak to is Daniel Jones gutted through a high ankle last week and more thank likely would probably go Monday if the season wasn't lost.


Didn't want to get hit? What? Jones played with high ankle, tough no doubt. Not a knock on him that he can't match Eli Manning's invincibility on a football field.

fifteen years NEVER misses a start due to injury with all those shit o lines and all with the same team. It is astounding. If not benched, dollars to donuts he finishes all sixteen this year too. Jones out after ten games.
I had a feeling  
Les in TO : 12/4/2019 11:52 am : link
When Jones was announced as the starter Eli had not played his last game as a Giant either due to injury or learning curve reasons
Manning got sacked 31 times in the first 8 games of 2018.  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2019 11:52 am : link
I don't think he was afraid to get hit.
I'm conflicted  
jcn56 : 12/4/2019 11:52 am : link
I don't want the Giants to win another game, but I hate to see the big guy go out with more losses.

I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.

On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.

Dilemma.
.  
Amazinz : 12/4/2019 11:53 am : link
Wanted to see DJ vs. the Eagles. Not the way I would have scripted it.

But here's hoping Eli has a little something left, torches the Eagles and goes on a little run.
Man, this only cements the fact that  
Overseer : 12/4/2019 11:53 am : link
there is no player in the history of the NFL with a career like Eli Manning. Joe Flacco maybe in the ballpark given his unreal playoff run, but that was one and he’s obviously an inferior QB to Manning and was on a much better run team.

Absurd highs and just brutally humiliating lows which we thought fully in the rear view mirror, but now will in all likelihood re-emerge Monday at the Linc. The Giants multi-decade abusive Daddy in a fight for the division are aiming to curb stomp the NYG.

With how easy it is to get in the HoF, Eli should make it. But realistically he really does not deserve to be there. Far more about the Giants’ ineptitude than him, but that’s the reality.
RE: I'm conflicted  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14702700 jcn56 said:
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I don't want the Giants to win another game, but I hate to see the big guy go out with more losses.

I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.

On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.

Dilemma.


Feel the exact same way. Good summary.
RE: The Dolphins game should be intereting how many Giants fans  
Dnew15 : 12/4/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14702694 Zeke's Alibi said:
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show up.


Those tickets will be selling for $13 bucks on the secondary markets come game day.
Win win scenario  
cjac : 12/4/2019 11:55 am : link
Eli plays great and Shurmur looks like a moron for benching him and gets fired.

Eli plays average and the OL sucks again, we lose and Shurmur looks like a moron because he cant win a football game.
RE: RE: I'm not sure if I'm reading this right but Vegas moved  
V.I.G. : 12/4/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14702661 The_Boss said:
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Makes some sense. Eli is bound to not be sharp. The Eagles tend to make him look silly (tons of sacks, fumbles lost, and ints). And physically we don’t match up with them along the LOS.

confirmed: -9.5 | Total 46

suggests 30-17 Eagles
tweet - ( New Window )
RE: I'm conflicted  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/4/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14702700 jcn56 said:
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I don't want the Giants to win another game, but I hate to see the big guy go out with more losses.

I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.

On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.

Dilemma.


Odds are you don't have to worry about the wins portion of this scenario; whether it was Eli, Jones, or Brady in his prime playing QB for this disaster of a team.
What a sad script this is  
Beef Wellington : 12/4/2019 11:58 am : link
Would never happen but I would like to see Eli retire at noon on Monday as payback for the way Johnny unceremoniously showed TC the door.
I bet part of Manning wishes Tanney were starting  
Overseer : 12/4/2019 11:59 am : link
or that he had been released from this utter circus months ago.

This has the potential to be absolutely humiliating for him.

Oh and how about this for insult to injury...the Giants/Eagles all time rivalry:

TIED!! (86-86).

RE: lost  
mitch300 : 12/4/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14702535 Eric from BBI said:
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in all of this is the fact that Daniel Jones played with a high ankle sprain last Sunday.

Tough son-of-a-bitch.

I commented that two of his ints were due to balls being too high. Having a right ankle issue could have caused that.
RE: Part of me wonders  
Go Terps : 12/4/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14702681 crick n NC said:
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If some fans partially root for Eli to finish with a sub .500 record just to shovel more dirt in on him and the franchise. Humans have a tendency to be petty, I know, I speak from experience of being petty.


Eli doesn't deserve any dirt shoveled on him. The franchise on the other hand deserves whatever it gets until real change is made.
RE: Saquon will go for 200  
Darth Paul : 12/4/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14702570 GeneInCal said:
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Eli 250+ and we win. Book it.


It would be great if Barkley has 200 APY and we do not see any Shotgun Inside Handoffs. Would be telling.
RE: When did Eli turn 40. How about we take 2 years off his age and  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/4/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14702631 fredgbrown said:
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say he is 36. Who needs the media to go after ELi when
you have Giants fans on BBI to attack him.

Adding a year (one year, not two - he turns 39 in less than a month) to his age is now attacking him?

JFC people will get their panties in a twist over anything.
This news reminds me  
an_idol_mind : 12/4/2019 12:07 pm : link
that I've become way too used to Eli's iron man streak over the years. Going forward, I have to go back to giving a damn about who the second-string quarterback is.
RE: RE: Pretty much the worst news possible  
Darth Paul : 12/4/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14702597 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14702591 arniefez said:


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Hopefully it's only for one game.



No, the worst possible news would be a torn ACL for Jones or Barkley.


I heard Barkley sucks, hesitant and not powerful, so him being hurt should not change much.
RE: What a sad script this is  
cokeduplt : 12/4/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14702710 Beef Wellington said:
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Would never happen but I would like to see Eli retire at noon on Monday as payback for the way Johnny unceremoniously showed TC the door.


Some of you guys are really strange.
RE: If Eli plays last 4 games  
Bill L : 12/4/2019 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14702600 Junior22 said:
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That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point

Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet

Then you should probably get an early start and turn your television off now.

At the very least, do us all a favor and turn your effing internet off.
RE: RE: Part of me wonders  
crick n NC : 12/4/2019 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14702727 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14702681 crick n NC said:


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If some fans partially root for Eli to finish with a sub .500 record just to shovel more dirt in on him and the franchise. Humans have a tendency to be petty, I know, I speak from experience of being petty.



Eli doesn't deserve any dirt shoveled on him. The franchise on the other hand deserves whatever it gets until real change is made.


The franchise deserves certain criticism for sure, but not for everything. Fans get lazy so they fail to even to attempt a better understanding of why certain things took place, it's much easier to just say the franchise made another mistake. There was a fan on here the other day criticizing the Giants for not trying flowers at guard.
you should have bantered with the crew from 10 years ago  
gtt350 : 12/4/2019 12:12 pm : link
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RE: These  
flycatcher : 12/4/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14702559 Eric from BBI said:
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last four games may be the four games that determine Eli's HOF chances.

Geez that would be nuts. Only 5 players have won multiple SB MVPs, can't imagine how Eli could ever be denied a jacket.
RE: Win win scenario  
jcn56 : 12/4/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14702706 cjac said:
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Eli plays great and Shurmur looks like a moron for benching him and gets fired.

Eli plays average and the OL sucks again, we lose and Shurmur looks like a moron because he cant win a football game.


Shurmur's dead man walking either way - any wins and you can kiss any chance at Young goodbye.
This wanting to artificially protect  
joeinpa : 12/4/2019 12:17 pm : link
Eli s record is pathetic. His career isn’t over yet, the starting quarterback has a high ankle sprain, next man up.

I m willing to bet Eli doesn’t share any of the sentiments shared here about getting to play, I m betting he s thrilled for the opportunity, know why, because he s a competitor.

It s sports, it s competition, you play to win, these athletes don’t concern themselves with any of the mamby pamby periphery espoused here, thankfully, would be difficult to root for them if they did.

Go Eli, !
RE: These  
JCin332 : 12/4/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14702559 Eric from BBI said:
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last four games may be the four games that determine Eli's HOF chances.


Eric you cannot be serious with this shit?

I think the 2 SB's will be more of a determinant...
RE: This wanting to artificially protect  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14702753 joeinpa said:
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Eli s record is pathetic. His career isn’t over yet, the starting quarterback has a high ankle sprain, next man up.

I m willing to bet Eli doesn’t share any of the sentiments shared here about getting to play, I m betting he s thrilled for the opportunity, know why, because he s a competitor.

It s sports, it s competition, you play to win, these athletes don’t concern themselves with any of the mamby pamby periphery espoused here, thankfully, would be difficult to root for them if they did.

Go Eli, !


Agreed. He doesn't care about those things. He didn't want to keep his streak going. This man is a professional, and he will prepare as such, as he always did.
There's a 100% chance  
Bill L : 12/4/2019 12:20 pm : link
that Eli gives less than 2 shots about his winning percentage. That's something that only people on this board care about.

On an unrelated note (and I really believe it to be unrelated), Shurmer was cagey in press conference earlier this week. When asked if his backup QB was ready he said something like, "who do you mean, Eli and Alex?" I'm not 100% convinced that Eli is his guy, even as a backup. I am pretty convinced that he loves Tanney to death.
we are a heartbeat away from Alex Tanney  
Jints in Carolina : 12/4/2019 12:22 pm : link
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: RE: These  
LS : 12/4/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14702756 JCin332 said:
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In comment 14702559 Eric from BBI said:


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last four games may be the four games that determine Eli's HOF chances.






Eric you cannot be serious with this shit?

I think the 2 SB's will be more of a determinant...


And the fact that Eli will be 7th in all time passing yards in NFL history after Monday night.
Nothing to add  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/4/2019 12:27 pm : link
Other that I went from completely uninterested to fucking pumped for this week.
crick  
Go Terps : 12/4/2019 12:30 pm : link
It goes both ways. There was a poster a couple days ago trying to tell me Daniel Jones is a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson. And of course there's been the baseless optimism over the 2018 and 2019 draft classes.

Sometimes it seems like there's no objectivity anywhere. Fortunately there's an infallible metric that tells us the actual truth. And in that metric, the Giants are 3-13, 5-11, and 2-10 the last three years...worst in the entire NFL.
RE: I'm conflicted  
Boatie Warrant : 12/4/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14702700 jcn56 said:
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I don't want the Giants to win another game, but I hate to see the big guy go out with more losses.

I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.

On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.

Dilemma.


This x2
RE: RE: I'm conflicted  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/4/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14702768 Boatie Warrant said:
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In comment 14702700 jcn56 said:


Quote:


I don't want the Giants to win another game, but I hate to see the big guy go out with more losses.

I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.

On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.

Dilemma.



This x2


I was literally gchatting with a buddy this morning about how, for the first time, despite all the bad seasons recently, this was the first year and the first time I was going to actively root for losses. I've obviously known it's better for us to lose, but never could bring myself to pull for it. This year was going to be an exception as I desperately want big organizational changes.

So much for that. I can't root against Eli in this spot. I just can't.
And all of the above doesn't even touch on how  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/4/2019 12:37 pm : link
a Giants win could effectively end the Eagles season, or put a huuge dent in it.
RE: crick  
crick n NC : 12/4/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14702766 Go Terps said:
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It goes both ways. There was a poster a couple days ago trying to tell me Daniel Jones is a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson. And of course there's been the baseless optimism over the 2018 and 2019 draft classes.

Sometimes it seems like there's no objectivity anywhere. Fortunately there's an infallible metric that tells us the actual truth. And in that metric, the Giants are 3-13, 5-11, and 2-10 the last three years...worst in the entire NFL.


Terps, certainly it does go both ways, you're right. I don't mind when fans question anything really, it's how they go about questioning for me. Discussion is good, ideas are good, expressing our views with unstoppable authority isn't part of a healthy discussion in my opinion. I find it hard for me to learn or enjoy conversation when there isn't any give in views.
RE: Ok  
Fort Mill Mike : 12/4/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14702542 Chris684 said:
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Eli starts Monday night and kicks the Eagles ass and all but finishes their playoff dreams. Career record back over .500.

Jones returns following weeks and plays well but we still lose, remain in the 2nd draft slot and still fire Shurmur.

Who's with me?


I'm in
RE: RE: My emotions are so mixed...  
Bruner4329 : 12/4/2019 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14702687 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14702607 moze1021 said:


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Excited to see Eli play again...

But sad that it's come to this...

Was rooting for 4 losses to end the year, but I simply can't root against Eli at this point.

Also this speaks to Eli's toughness. Jones couldn't make it beyond 10 straight games played...



You don't think that it may have soemthing to do with the fact that Eli just refused to get hit the last 3 or so years. What it should speak to is Daniel Jones gutted through a high ankle last week and more thank likely would probably go Monday if the season wasn't lost.


Moronic. First of all Eli did get hit a lot the last 3 years and it was somewhat amazing he did not get hurt. Yes he got rid of the ball in some cases to avoid the rush but playing behind that garbage of a line that would be expected. Listen this is not a debate about Eli anymore as his time has passed but anyone who questions his toughness has either been living in a cave or just plain ignorant. San Francisco NFC Championship game. The guy took a brutal beating and still won. Do you think Daniel Jones would have survived that game or not fumbled the ball several times?
RE: It was clear as day that Jones was injured on that 4th & 1.  
japanhead : 12/4/2019 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14702556 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Yet this moron keeps trotting him out there, which I'm sure as hell bet didn't help matters.

JFC.


i was saying this to my friend after the half. it was obvious the ankle was bothering him and that he wasn't right and shouldn't be in there. probably contributed to those awful interceptions.

fuck shurmur.
RE: These  
micky : 12/4/2019 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14702559 Eric from BBI said:
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last four games may be the four games that determine Eli's HOF chances.


I'd lol if he goes under .500 and it cane down to that and his HoF chances 🤣😂
This actually could be the scenario that gets Eli plus .500  
shyster : 12/4/2019 12:43 pm : link
Not Monday night in Philly.

But after that: Dolphins at home, Skins, and then home game against an Eagles team that I think is better than 50/50 to have been eliminated by Dallas the week before.

Been thinking all along that 2-11 could plausibly become 5-11.
RE: This actually could be the scenario that gets Eli plus .500  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/4/2019 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14702787 shyster said:
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Not Monday night in Philly.

But after that: Dolphins at home, Skins, and then home game against an Eagles team that I think is better than 50/50 to have been eliminated by Dallas the week before.

Been thinking all along that 2-11 could plausibly become 5-11.


LOL. Yes. The OL and DL are magically going to become even just average now. People don't pay attention.
RE: If Eli plays last 4 games  
BlueHurricane : 12/4/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14702600 Junior22 said:
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That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point

Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet



I don't think Eli over Jones...  
Drewcon40 : 12/4/2019 12:50 pm : link
...moves the needle that much - like Dave in Hoboken just mentioned, the lines remain....maybe Eli doesn't fumble as much but the playbook will be limited without Jones' mobility. Plus Jones was making some nice throws.
When was the last time Eli beat the Eagles?  
WideRight : 12/4/2019 12:54 pm : link
Just wondering
RE: RE: This actually could be the scenario that gets Eli plus .500  
Matt in SGS : 12/4/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14702791 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Not Monday night in Philly.

But after that: Dolphins at home, Skins, and then home game against an Eagles team that I think is better than 50/50 to have been eliminated by Dallas the week before.

Been thinking all along that 2-11 could plausibly become 5-11.



LOL. Yes. The OL and DL are magically going to become even just average now. People don't pay attention.


My worry here is the law of averages. I don't see the Giants finishing on a 12 game losing streak. They are going to get a win in these next 4 games.

I don't think it will happen on Monday Night, because Philly is a hell-hole.

But would anyone be shocked to see them beat the Dolphins, even in a boring shitfest, because you will have a team from South Florida playing in 40 degrees and rain (which is the way early forecast). I can see the Giants win that game like 14-10 or 17-14 or something.

Washington is playing better, but are they a lock to win at home? There will be about 5 people in the stands for that one.

And if the Eagles are eliminated before the final game, from what I've seen of this Eagles team this year, they are playing like a team that hates their QB. I could see that game like the Redskins in the final game of 2017 when the Giants won to get to 3-13.

I don't see Eli lighting up teams for 350 yards and multiple TDs. But I see Eli not making as many mistakes and playing it safer than Jones did. Playing 3 teams down the stretch who are all (* on the Eagles) playing out the string, and the law of averages tells me the Giants will win at least 1 of those games, and I wouldn't be stunned to see them win 2 of them either.
RE: When was the last time Eli beat the Eagles?  
an_idol_mind : 12/4/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14702805 WideRight said:
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Just wondering


November 2016. Also the last time the Giants beat the Eagles.
NYG will run wild.  
flycatcher : 12/4/2019 12:59 pm : link

Lead blocker Eli is back.
RE: RE: RE: This actually could be the scenario that gets Eli plus .500  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/4/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14702809 Matt in SGS said:
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Not Monday night in Philly.

But after that: Dolphins at home, Skins, and then home game against an Eagles team that I think is better than 50/50 to have been eliminated by Dallas the week before.

Been thinking all along that 2-11 could plausibly become 5-11.



LOL. Yes. The OL and DL are magically going to become even just average now. People don't pay attention.



My worry here is the law of averages. I don't see the Giants finishing on a 12 game losing streak. They are going to get a win in these next 4 games.

I don't think it will happen on Monday Night, because Philly is a hell-hole.

But would anyone be shocked to see them beat the Dolphins, even in a boring shitfest, because you will have a team from South Florida playing in 40 degrees and rain (which is the way early forecast). I can see the Giants win that game like 14-10 or 17-14 or something.

Washington is playing better, but are they a lock to win at home? There will be about 5 people in the stands for that one.

And if the Eagles are eliminated before the final game, from what I've seen of this Eagles team this year, they are playing like a team that hates their QB. I could see that game like the Redskins in the final game of 2017 when the Giants won to get to 3-13.

I don't see Eli lighting up teams for 350 yards and multiple TDs. But I see Eli not making as many mistakes and playing it safer than Jones did. Playing 3 teams down the stretch who are all (* on the Eagles) playing out the string, and the law of averages tells me the Giants will win at least 1 of those games, and I wouldn't be stunned to see them win 2 of them either.


I'm not as confident. Eli hasn't played a game in 3 months and the OL and DL have gotten worse every week. We shall see.
RE: RE: If Eli plays last 4 games  
PatersonPlank : 12/4/2019 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14702796 BlueHurricane said:
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That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point

Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet






This Junior guy is rediculous with his Eli hate. I bet he's like 10 yrs old and doesn't remember those Super Bowls.
RE: RE: RE: If Eli plays last 4 games  
GeneInCal : 12/4/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14702816 PatersonPlank said:
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That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point

Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet








This Junior guy is rediculous with his Eli hate. I bet he's like 10 yrs old and doesn't remember those Super Bowls.


There are a ton of these "fans" ruining this site, they came over when we got OBJ. They are just awful, unknowledgeable posters/fans. I hate them with a passion, so I just don't post here anymore.
RE: RE: RE: If Eli plays last 4 games  
Bill L : 12/4/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14702816 PatersonPlank said:
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That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point

Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet








This Junior guy is rediculous with his Eli hate. I bet he's like 10 yrs old and doesn't remember those Super Bowls.


My guess is that he's just a dick.
If He Starts All 4 Remaining Games...  
Jim in Tampa : 12/4/2019 1:13 pm : link
Eli will be playing against teams with a combined record of 16-32.

I know that football is a team sport, but if Jones doesn't play again this year and Eli finishes with a sub .500 career winning percentage, wouldn't that be at least partially of Eli's own doing?
Haha  
BBelle21 : 12/4/2019 1:14 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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35m
As he walked away I asked if he really missed us.
Eli: “Uh, no.”

Fans missed you, Eli. Go kill the Eagles
RE: Haha  
NJBlueTuna : 12/4/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14702835 BBelle21 said:
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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35m
As he walked away I asked if he really missed us.
Eli: “Uh, no.”

Fans missed you, Eli. Go kill the Eagles


+1000.
With all seriousness  
USAF NYG Fan : 12/4/2019 1:20 pm : link
I hope Eli tells Shurmur to shut up on the first play he tries to call in. Eli should run the offense and go with what he sees out there. Allow him to use that big head of his. One of his greatest attributes has always been his intelligence.

Get under center, adjust the alignment, run the ball to setup the play action pass. Eli should play to his strengths.

So sick of watching this coaching staff try to force square pegs into round holes.
someone pointed out  
giantfan2000 : 12/4/2019 1:21 pm : link
that Eli is much better at reading defense and audibling running plays

I predict Barkley has his best game of season on sunday and Giants win the game
RE: With all seriousness  
BBelle21 : 12/4/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14702848 USAF NYG Fan said:
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I hope Eli tells Shurmur to shut up on the first play he tries to call in. Eli should run the offense and go with what he sees out there. Allow him to use that big head of his. One of his greatest attributes has always been his intelligence.

Get under center, adjust the alignment, run the ball to setup the play action pass. Eli should play to his strengths.

So sick of watching this coaching staff try to force square pegs into round holes.


Amen. Shurmur is near gone anyway regardless of what happens in these final games. Hope Eli flips Shurmur the bird with every successful play
...  
christian : 12/4/2019 1:23 pm : link
Good news is another chance to get out the Manning Pajamis, bad news Manning gets another chance to get beat like a bag on the way out.

Manning gracefully riding into the sunset as his career ended is a better scenario than the beating he's likely to take.
Will DJ be throw under the bus by Shurmur?  
nzyme : 12/4/2019 1:27 pm : link
Wondering if Eli pulls out a win against the Eagles will Shurmur cite competent QB play as the reason?
Surprised it took this long for Jones to miss a game  
ZogZerg : 12/4/2019 1:27 pm : link
He was getting hammered out there.
This will be good for him - to watch after he has had experience.
Barkley will benefit the most  
hitdog42 : 12/4/2019 1:27 pm : link
and tbh, I'm very excited for the game- he deserved another game before heading out given how badly they have played his exit.
RE: RE: RE: So BBI thinks  
Rjanyg : 12/4/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14702585 Junior22 said:
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An old 40 yrs old qb cold from not getting hit is going to torch the eagles or any NFL defense?

Dude is going to take a pounding after a long layoff. He is old and can't avoid a rush

We might lose out



We may try to run the ball with power. We don't know how much of the O Line issues have been with Jones and the communication with the Center.



So now Jones is the reason the oline sucks. Hahahahah


That is not what I said so don't be a douche.

The fact is, with Jones we run shotgun a ton and the RPO look. With Eli I don't think that will happen and a greater freedom to change plays at the line and the use of play action passing might be in order.

The O Line might benefit as may Barkley. Don't put words in my mouth.
barkley will benefit  
hitdog42 : 12/4/2019 1:34 pm : link
because eli will audible and be able to get them into better plays- what is ridiculous is they didnt give jones much flexibility in doing so... which is why so many runs are met with people at barkleys feet 1 step into the play
RE: someone pointed out  
Rjanyg : 12/4/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14702852 giantfan2000 said:
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that Eli is much better at reading defense and audibling running plays

I predict Barkley has his best game of season on sunday and Giants win the game


That was me, lets see if I am right.
RE: barkley will benefit  
nzyme : 12/4/2019 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14702889 hitdog42 said:
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because eli will audible and be able to get them into better plays- what is ridiculous is they didnt give jones much flexibility in doing so... which is why so many runs are met with people at barkleys feet 1 step into the play


My thought exactly after Baldy's Breakdown two weeks ago. The blitzes are thrown into his DJs face and he never did anything to audible out of them. He's gotta be handcuffed in some way.
RE: barkley will benefit  
Rjanyg : 12/4/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14702889 hitdog42 said:
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because eli will audible and be able to get them into better plays- what is ridiculous is they didnt give jones much flexibility in doing so... which is why so many runs are met with people at barkleys feet 1 step into the play


Thank you...exactly.
Not sure he would do this..  
Eli Wilson : 12/4/2019 1:38 pm : link
But I hope that when Eli gets a dumb play call from the sidelines (which will happen several times) he just ignores it and calls what makes sense at that time.

What does he have to lose at this point?
'in a draft that has 2 potential franchise QBs up top'  
Torrag : 12/4/2019 1:42 pm : link
There's 0% chance the Giants use their first pick to draft a QB. 0. Even if they clean house it isn't happening.
RE: When was the last time Eli beat the Eagles?  
japanhead : 12/4/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14702805 WideRight said:
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Just wondering


2016 season
The thing I like about this for Eli is that it's just a no pressure...  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2019 1:49 pm : link
situation. He's not playing for his job, he doesn't really need the showcase, and he's not playing for a game that we need for any reason.

Just playing for the love of the game and being there for his teammates. It's fitting, really.
Feels like #GiantsPride is back...  
GRBlue : 12/4/2019 1:50 pm : link
For one week at least. You know ownership is giddy.

Excited to watch our HOF QB audible out of Shurmur's abysmal play calling all night. Saquon should reap the benefits and our coach, arrogantly taking credit.





RE: So this will essentially ensure  
allstarjim : 12/4/2019 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14702509 The_Boss said:
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Eli finishes his career sub .500


Why this matters to so many people I have no idea.
RE: I don't think Eli over Jones...  
BigK : 12/4/2019 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14702802 Drewcon40 said:
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...moves the needle that much - like Dave in Hoboken just mentioned, the lines remain....maybe Eli doesn't fumble as much but the playbook will be limited without Jones' mobility. Plus Jones was making some nice throws.


I don't see the playbook being limited at all. If anything it will be expanded
Not that it matters in the long run  
Bill L : 12/4/2019 1:55 pm : link
but Eli has not had the opportunity to play with Golden Tate. I would think that he, like Shepard, is the type of receiver that would really fit Eli.
RE: Not that it matters in the long run  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/4/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14702938 Bill L said:
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but Eli has not had the opportunity to play with Golden Tate. I would think that he, like Shepard, is the type of receiver that would really fit Eli.


Tate has a concussion.
The last thing we need is Eli to win a couple meaningless games...  
Torrag : 12/4/2019 2:01 pm : link
...and fuck up our Draft position. Which he could easily do against some of the shitty opponents on our schedule.
RE: RE: Not that it matters in the long run  
Bill L : 12/4/2019 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14702941 Dave in Hoboken said:
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but Eli has not had the opportunity to play with Golden Tate. I would think that he, like Shepard, is the type of receiver that would really fit Eli.



Tate has a concussion.

Didn't they say Tate would be back? (On the upswing)
I’m all in on Eli going 4-0!  
sb from NYT Forum : 12/4/2019 2:10 pm : link
He’ll cement his HOF legacy and give a parting “fuck you” to ownership and the front office. And fuck over the Eagles in the process.
ELI Back!!!!  
LT56GOAT : 12/4/2019 2:14 pm : link
Definitely shed a tear when he takes field class act, warrior and a role model for young GIANTS to start playing football with some heart instead of cashing paychecks

Lets upset dirty birds make something out of season
RE: lost  
AcidTest : 12/4/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14702535 Eric from BBI said:
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in all of this is the fact that Daniel Jones played with a high ankle sprain last Sunday.

Tough son-of-a-bitch.


Yup.
Eli  
AcidTest : 12/4/2019 2:35 pm : link
has no mobility, our OL can't block, and our receivers can't separate. The Eagles will get pressure with five or five DL, forcing Eli to throw into tight windows against six or seven DBs. My guess is that he gets pummeled.
RE: RE: RE: Not that it matters in the long run  
Mad Mike : 12/4/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14702949 Bill L said:
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Didn't they say Tate would be back? (On the upswing)

Yes, or at least a strong chance he's back.
RE: With all seriousness  
Diver_Down : 12/4/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14702848 USAF NYG Fan said:
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I hope Eli tells Shurmur to shut up on the first play he tries to call in. Eli should run the offense and go with what he sees out there. Allow him to use that big head of his. One of his greatest attributes has always been his intelligence.

Get under center, adjust the alignment, run the ball to setup the play action pass. Eli should play to his strengths.

So sick of watching this coaching staff try to force square pegs into round holes.


I actually would love for him to play off-script and without abandon. What is Shurmur going to do - bench him? Shurmur won't have the option. If Mara is witness to an in-game benching of Manning, he may have security lead Shurmur away in a perp walk. Manning is a made man. He can do whatever he wants without fear of repercussions.
Joe Flacco  
jacob12 : 12/4/2019 2:42 pm : link
Joe Flacco has had more than 4 good playoff games. He has played in 15 career playoff games and his record is 10-5.

Flacco posted a passer rating of 92.1 or higher an amazing 9 times.Taking out his first 2 seasons, Joe has had a 92.1 passer rating or higher in 9 of 10 playoff games. That would be thanks to his touchdown-to-interception ratio of 24-4.

Flacco holds the record for most post-season road wins by a quarterback, with 7.

Joe Flacco is one of the best playoff quarterbacks in NFL history.
the way things are shaping  
BigBlueCane : 12/4/2019 2:45 pm : link
Mara's incompetence is going to make casualties of Manning, Jones, Shurmur, Gettleman, everyone, and everything including various sinks.
RE: RE: So this will essentially ensure  
BigBlue89 : 12/4/2019 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14702926 allstarjim said:
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Why this matters to so many people I have no idea.


Mostly a media thing. Just another stat that pundits will use to say why Eli isn't a HOF/great QB.
RE: Joe Flacco  
Junior22 : 12/4/2019 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14703003 jacob12 said:
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Joe Flacco has had more than 4 good playoff games. He has played in 15 career playoff games and his record is 10-5.

Flacco posted a passer rating of 92.1 or higher an amazing 9 times.Taking out his first 2 seasons, Joe has had a 92.1 passer rating or higher in 9 of 10 playoff games. That would be thanks to his touchdown-to-interception ratio of 24-4.

Flacco holds the record for most post-season road wins by a quarterback, with 7.

Joe Flacco is one of the best playoff quarterbacks in NFL history.


Playoff success is only important when talking Eli. Flacco was just lucky to have a great defense, coach, oline receivers. Eli won 2 rings with no help
You need help  
Bill L : 12/4/2019 3:06 pm : link
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RE: RE: Joe Flacco  
cjac : 12/4/2019 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14703016 Junior22 said:
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Playoff success is only important when talking Eli. Flacco was just lucky to have a great defense, coach, oline receivers. Eli won 2 rings with no help



Cmon, even Elway needed a running game and a defense before he could win the SB
RE: RE: RE: RE: If Eli plays last 4 games  
montanagiant : 12/4/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14702826 GeneInCal said:
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That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point

Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet








This Junior guy is rediculous with his Eli hate. I bet he's like 10 yrs old and doesn't remember those Super Bowls.



There are a ton of these "fans" ruining this site, they came over when we got OBJ. They are just awful, unknowledgeable posters/fans. I hate them with a passion, so I just don't post here anymore.

They are all over FB also in the Giants groups on there. Just clueless fans who get their info from FF and Madden
TV must be pleased  
BigBluesman : 12/4/2019 3:53 pm : link
Pretty straightforward to me, root for our longtime QB to beat the Eagles one more time, draft position be damned. We probably won't win anyway. This is getting to be like comedy with this team.
RE: I’m all in on Eli going 4-0!  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/4/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14702961 sb from NYT Forum said:
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He’ll cement his HOF legacy and give a parting “fuck you” to ownership and the front office. And fuck over the Eagles in the process.

Fucking over the Eagles is worth losing out on Chase Young.

Go NY, its the city where the monkey fell off the building!
'Why are we skipping over Tanney?'  
Fort Mill Mike : 12/4/2019 4:04 pm : link
I know it's being ridiculous to even think about, but just for the sake of preserving the draft position, who would complain much if Tanney got any starts Jones couldn't make?
RE: RE: I’m all in on Eli going 4-0!  
Fort Mill Mike : 12/4/2019 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14703111 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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He’ll cement his HOF legacy and give a parting “fuck you” to ownership and the front office. And fuck over the Eagles in the process.


Fucking over the Eagles is worth losing out on Chase Young.

Go NY, its the city where the monkey fell off the building!


I feel you, but the only thing I don't get is the fuck you to ownership. They've made him and his family insanely wealthy. Over $200 million during his career? His kids, grandkids, great grandkids and so forth should never, ever want for anything material. Also, he knew it couldn't go on forever. Pretty sure Easy E bears no malice toward ownership. Coach, maybe. DG, probably. But not Mara and Tisch.
How 'bout Eli loses on Monday, starts and wins against 'Fins  
CT Charlie : 12/4/2019 4:21 pm : link
and Skins, retires with a winning record. DJ starts the final game.
GO Eli  
liteamorn : 12/4/2019 4:23 pm : link
I can't root against him, I cheered him on to many times, GO Giants, I can't root against them...not ever.
RE: These  
RDJR : 12/4/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14702559 Eric from BBI said:
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last four games may be the four games that determine Eli's HOF chances.


I think that’s a bit dramatic. A four game stint as a backup QB for a 2-10 team is going to determine a player’s HOF chances?
Ugh.  
Raultney : 12/4/2019 4:33 pm : link
The verbal diarrhea Eli's going to have to tune out in that stadium will be unprecedented. Hope he comes out with a win and doesn't get maimed in the process.
Playing out the string  
HomerJones45 : 12/4/2019 5:18 pm : link
It would take our Lord Jesus to save Shurmur's job at this point. He isn't being saved by a qb in the last few games of his contract.

Manning is a lock for the HOF. Multiple SB MVP's in wins against the mighty Pats, including their previously undefeated team, 57,000 yards, 370 td's, he's in first ballot. This isn't baseball.


RE: Eli  
Percy : 12/4/2019 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14702992 AcidTest said:
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has no mobility, our OL can't block, and our receivers can't separate. The Eagles will get pressure with five or five DL, forcing Eli to throw into tight windows against six or seven DBs. My guess is that he gets pummeled.

Could be that those linemen will play better for an old, defenseless Giants hero than they did for the new kid, Jones, who can (or could) run. Plus Eli did a lot of losing to the Eagles and would like to leave (if he must) after turning that around. Pride, you know. Hard to predict what will do or when it will show itself.
RE: RE: So this will essentially ensure  
LS : 12/4/2019 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14702926 allstarjim said:
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Eli finishes his career sub .500



Why this matters to so many people I have no idea.


Me too, who gives a crap.
No matter the situation,  
LS : 12/4/2019 5:57 pm : link
when the ball gets kicked off for a Giant's game, I want a win. I don't care about getting the coach fired, a better draft position, etc. I just want to win that game. If we lose the game, then maybe I'll look for silver linings, but I never go into a game hoping to lose. I just want to win. Always.
Now with Eli starting and playing out the year  
micky : 12/4/2019 6:02 pm : link
Garauntees Shurmur back and contract extended. Good time to be a ny giants fan!

Whoot!!
How delicious is this!!!  
Rick in Dallas : 12/4/2019 6:23 pm : link
In a season that turned helpless a long time ago a ray of sunshine appears.
I hope Eli destroys the Eagles Monday night.
Also a speedy recovery for DJ.
I hope Eli tells Shurmur to stick it and go sit down  
PatersonPlank : 12/4/2019 6:23 pm : link
Then basically does what he wants with the offense when he is out there.
RE: I hope Eli tells Shurmur to stick it and go sit down  
section125 : 12/4/2019 7:23 pm : link
In comment 14703285 PatersonPlank said:
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Then basically does what he wants with the offense when he is out there.


Why would he do that? And why would you think he would do that? Why would you even say something like that?

I'm sick of moronic statements. Eli deserved to sit. He should have sat last year. Eli is cooked and has been cooked for two years.
Sect 125  
Bradshaw's Decal : 12/4/2019 7:31 pm : link
Has to shit on everyone's parade.... Dueshe nozzle
RE: RE: RE: So this will essentially ensure  
Jimmy Googs : 12/4/2019 7:54 pm : link
In comment 14703250 LS said:
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Eli finishes his career sub .500



Why this matters to so many people I have no idea.



Me too, who gives a crap.


Only the morons on here that have developed a self concept problem over the last few years because of the losing. The idea that there is a difference between being several games over .500 versus several games under .500 relative to a assessing a QB’s15 year career is ludicrous.

RE: crick  
NINEster : 12/4/2019 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14702766 Go Terps said:
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It goes both ways. There was a poster a couple days ago trying to tell me Daniel Jones is a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson. And of course there's been the baseless optimism over the 2018 and 2019 draft classes.


Well it's not an outrageous thought. As a pure thrower of the football (physically, mentally, etc), I'm not so sure Lamar Jackson is all that great. Pretty good maybe, but he's getting RG3 2012 easy level throws on the regular, with perhaps an even more powerful running game. Kaepernick used to get those easy throws in late 2012 as well.

By the narrative people are using for Lamar right now, Kap and RG3 were top 5 QBs in 2012, for sure. RG3 had a great TD/INT ratio, offensive rookie of the year, managed to move the ball on a tough seattle defense in the playoffs. Kap actually carried the 49ers in the 2012 playoffs when they allowed 31 to Green Bay at home, 24 to the Falcons, and still put up 31 in a SB first losing effort (i.e. losing a SB scoring more than 30 points).

Maybe Lamar will develop into a good QB in the traditional sense, but that remains to be seen. It took Russell Wilson 8 seasons to finally carry the Seahawks the way the national narrative claimed he was doing from day 1.

For now Jackson's certainly explosive and effective.

But when Jones or Goff or Garoppolo have a game as ugly as last year's playoff game against the Chargers, I'll be holding my praise for Jackson tight to the vest.
I like DJ  
GIANTS128 : 12/4/2019 8:02 pm : link
and I think he will be the future. However Im happy to see Eli for one more time. I hope he does well and makes all us Eli fans proud. He is not the future but I do feel he was dealt a bad had at the end of his career.
Russell Wilson has been doing it since his early years  
Jimmy Googs : 12/4/2019 8:11 pm : link
Just because the team had higher profiled players previously, many didn’t notice he has been elite for years...

So many things have to break for a team to make it thru  
Jimmy Googs : 12/4/2019 8:20 pm : link
the playoffs, even great teams. I wonder why posters on here underplay how elite QBs sometimes get shafted and how sometimes only somewhat good QBs get crowned.

But they do...
Have we all forgot the first 2 games  
Scooter185 : 12/4/2019 8:28 pm : link
And how bad they went, which is why DJ8 was named starting QB? Eli hasn't played in 10 weeks and the rest of the team has regressed in that time frame too

But yeah he's going to go out there throwing fire. Ok.
RE: The way the Giants luck goes  
GeofromNJ : 12/4/2019 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14702515 David B. said:
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Eli will finally beat them and take the Giants out of getting Chase Young.

Bad news, but good point.
RE: RE: I hope Eli tells Shurmur to stick it and go sit down  
PatersonPlank : 12/4/2019 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14703322 section125 said:
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In comment 14703285 PatersonPlank said:


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Then basically does what he wants with the offense when he is out there.



Why would he do that? And why would you think he would do that? Why would you even say something like that?

I'm sick of moronic statements. Eli deserved to sit. He should have sat last year. Eli is cooked and has been
cooked for two years.


What is your issue? Where did I say Eli shouldn't have been replaced? You are creating your own agenda from what I said. I think Shurmur sucks, that is what I am talking about. So yes, I hope a veteran QB who has nothing really to lose tells him to take a hike. Thats all. I swear, some of you need to get a grip. I'm not one of you guys who has to like one player over the other. I like both Jones and Eli. I hate Shurmur. And don't ever call me a moron.
I hope throws 400 yards, scores winning TD w a minutes left each game  
giantsFC : 12/4/2019 9:11 pm : link
Only to have this Dave Gettleman shit show defense give up a last second score to lose every one. So we get top 2 pick
Eli gets a shit sandwich..  
Bluesbreaker : 12/4/2019 9:28 pm : link
On his way out ..what a way to come in team is
a dumpster fire so he gets the beloved Eagles team
desperate for a win with no weapons ..
It would be fitting that he beats them with a
come back drive . Ok I know i'm dreaming I just
wanted him to go out on a good note but
not gonna happen under UnShurmur
team is bad regardless  
bc4life : 12/4/2019 9:41 pm : link
Eli is a competitor and this is how he'd want to go out, on the field competing
EDP445....  
Fishmanjim57 : 12/4/2019 10:54 pm : link
Wants Eli to bet the Eagles on monday night to put the Eagles fans out of their misery.
It won't happen though, Eli has a terrible career record against the lousy Eagles.
That and Shurmur is still doing the play calling, and he's the worst head coach in Giants history.
RE: RE: crick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/5/2019 7:15 am : link
In comment 14703331 NINEster said:
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In comment 14702766 Go Terps said:


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It goes both ways. There was a poster a couple days ago trying to tell me Daniel Jones is a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson. And of course there's been the baseless optimism over the 2018 and 2019 draft classes.




Well it's not an outrageous thought. As a pure thrower of the football (physically, mentally, etc), I'm not so sure Lamar Jackson is all that great. Pretty good maybe, but he's getting RG3 2012 easy level throws on the regular, with perhaps an even more powerful running game. Kaepernick used to get those easy throws in late 2012 as well.

By the narrative people are using for Lamar right now, Kap and RG3 were top 5 QBs in 2012, for sure. RG3 had a great TD/INT ratio, offensive rookie of the year, managed to move the ball on a tough seattle defense in the playoffs. Kap actually carried the 49ers in the 2012 playoffs when they allowed 31 to Green Bay at home, 24 to the Falcons, and still put up 31 in a SB first losing effort (i.e. losing a SB scoring more than 30 points).

Maybe Lamar will develop into a good QB in the traditional sense, but that remains to be seen. It took Russell Wilson 8 seasons to finally carry the Seahawks the way the national narrative claimed he was doing from day 1.

For now Jackson's certainly explosive and effective.

But when Jones or Goff or Garoppolo have a game as ugly as last year's playoff game against the Chargers, I'll be holding my praise for Jackson tight to the vest.


I'm no expert but you seem overly concerned with "narratives".
RE: EDP445....  
Fishmanjim57 : 12/5/2019 8:45 am : link
In comment 14703512 Fishmanjim57 said:
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Wants Eli to beat the Eagles on monday night to put the Eagles fans out of their misery.
It won't happen though, Eli has a terrible career record against the lousy Eagles.
That and Shurmur is still doing the play calling, and he's the worst head coach in Giants history.
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