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Daniel Jones in a boot + has moderate high ankle sprain, per Pat Shurmur. He couldn’t play if Giants had game today. Shurmur compared it to what Saquon Barkley had, slightly less severe. Barkley missed three games. So get ready for the return of Eli Manning on Monday vs Eagles.
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Daniel Jones is in a boot.
Has a moderate high ankle sprain.
Won’t be ready to play Monday in Philly.
It will be Eli Manning as the starting quarterback, once again.
Perhaps for the remainder of the season.
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BREAKING: Daniel Jones will very likely miss Monday’s game against Eagles, which means Eli Manning is back as the starting quarterback for the Giants.
Jones’ right ankle is in a protective boot. He won’t practice today and tomorrow and Pat Shurmur says injury similar to Saquon.
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Giants did not think Jones’ ankle was imported this badly.
The soreness got worse, he got an MRI and it revealed the high ankle sprain
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In a cruel twist to Giants season: Strong chance TE Evan Engram (foot) and WR Golden Tate (concussion) return Monday, giving Giants all their healthy weapons for first time this season. ... Only Jones likes won’t get to work with them.
Just for the entertainment value can you imagine the shit storm of confusion that would descend if they won the remainder of their games with Eli at QB.
Eli will finally beat them and take the Giants out of getting Chase Young.
my thoughts exactly. we are definetly about to screw up our draft position
Let’s assume Jones is done for the year, just for shits and giggles. Eli is going to beat the Eagles twice in the same season? How many times in his career has that actually happened??
in all of this is the fact that Daniel Jones played with a high ankle sprain last Sunday.
Tough son-of-a-bitch.
Eric obviously we aren't MD's and we don't know how serious the DJ injury. Saquon missed 3 games with a mild sprain. But even if it is mild, even more mild than Saquon is there any reason to trot DJ out quickly? It seems to me its almost like setting up the perfect scenario where the team can give Eli one more home game start 2 weeks from now. Is that too far fetched?
This actually has me excited to see the game. It will suck if we lose and he drops below .500 but now we can all soak it in that this very well is Eli's last time playing in Big Blue.
We are very lucky and fortunate in that regard. We will know to appreciate this moment more.
It's a win-win. We win, Eli gets a final W. We lose, we keep our draft position.
This actually has me excited to see the game. It will suck if we lose and he drops below .500 but now we can all soak it in that this very well is Eli's last time playing in Big Blue.
We are very lucky and fortunate in that regard. We will know to appreciate this moment more.
It's a win-win. We win, Eli gets a final W. We lose, we keep our draft position.
If DJ misses the rest of the season...well I'm sorry but I wanna see Eli 4-0. I don't care if it screws us out of Chase Young or Shurmur keeping his job. I wanna see Eli silence his critics and fucking go 4-0.
I was on the race for Chase bandwagon as hard as anybody Â
This to me is Eli's goodbye tour- which also is Pat Shurmur's bye bye tour.
Jones's injury may or may not be that severe but, it is a built in excuse to get Eli some final games in a Giants uniform and keep Jones from looking worse before off to the coaching search..
which is possible, Thursday night then watch out for the Eagles to absolutely light us up Monday. They will be pissed about the Dolphins game, they will be amped up about the division still open and Eli is a perfect QB for them to Tee off on as he cannot escape the pocket.
I'm disappointed that Jones is hurt and may miss a game, but at the Â
An old 40 yrs old qb cold from not getting hit is going to torch the eagles or any NFL defense?
Dude is going to take a pounding after a long layoff. He is old and can't avoid a rush
We might lose out
We may try to run the ball with power. We don't know how much of the O Line issues have been with Jones and the communication with the Center.
So now Jones is the reason the oline sucks. Hahahahah
Likely not the case, but the line did appear more competent in the first 2 games of the season. Small sample size, of course. But we all know Eli is good at pre-snap reads, so maybe there is SOMETHING to it. I guess we will find out.
Don’t pin the (highly likely) loss on Eli’s resume. A sub .500 record will fuck his HOF chances. You’ve fucked him over enough these last 7 years. Don’t do it one last time; this time with real repercussions to his legacy.
That would be the worst record this team's had, I believe, since the Johnson administration. Something like that might shock John Mara into real action.
Shurmur's last experience with Daniel Jones was keeping him in a snow game with a high ankle sprain.
Any type of progress Mara might be looking for would presumably be much more important with Jones in there as they headed for year 2 together. Eli winning a couple of games here might lead Mara to believe two things.
but let's face it I'm surprised he hasn't gotten seriously hurt with this Oline the way he was getting crushed every week. Now he can sit back and critique what he's seeing. He's got 10 games of experience. Come back next year fresh. I'm always cheering for a Giants win but I'm not expecting anything different than I saw in week 1 or 2.
last four games may be the four games that determine Eli's HOF chances.
That's possibly true, but it also pisses me off that the voters think like that. Eli's body of work is such that four games at the end of his career should have no impact on the decision.
It's kinda similar to Coughlin. If Coughlin had retired at the end of the 2011 season, he would be a shoe-in for the Hall of Fame. But when his time for consideration comes, his four sub-par seasons will be a factor that might keep him out.
RE: I actually think we may win now Monday night.. Â
these four games have no impact on Eli and the HOF. The only variable will be time. If anything, the narrative has switched from Eli being the issue to poor coaching, management and ownership.
One thing I will look for is if the Giants running game improves with Eli changing plays and making OL calls.
Let’s assume Jones is done for the year, just for shits and giggles. Eli is going to beat the Eagles twice in the same season? How many times in his career has that actually happened??
The ONLY time the Eli-led Giants consistently beat the Eagles (or swept them) was when Burress was on the team. Plax OWNED the Eagles. They have beat them ONLY 4 times since 2008.
Regardless -- one more win might be enough to screw up their draft position. But that's the kind of luck they've had this year.
these four games have no impact on Eli and the HOF. The only variable will be time. If anything, the narrative has switched from Eli being the issue to poor coaching, management and ownership.
One thing I will look for is if the Giants running game improves with Eli changing plays and making OL calls.
I don't think you fully understand just how moronic sports writers are. Eli Manning is not respected by the bulk of them. They are only looking for an excuse to keep him out.
This next five weeks is going to be a rollercoaster ride for the Giants!
Exactly, this potentially adds some fun to the rest of the season. Unfortunately this defense will probably snuff out any chances for Eli to go out in heroic fashion.
RE: When did Eli turn 40. How about we take 2 years off his age and Â
That would be the worst record this team's had, I believe, since the Johnson administration. Something like that might shock John Mara into real action.
I said this since at least the preseason. 0-16 would force Mara to clean house. I'll settle for 2-14
RE: RE: When did Eli turn 40. How about we take 2 years off his age and Â
- He got hurt on the QB sneak on 4th down. I know that I've killed Coughlin in the past for not using the QB sneak on short yardage. Coughlin said he didn't do it because Eli wasn't great at it, and he didn't want guys getting free shots on your QB. Well, this year we've now seen Mahomes and Jones knocked out from the QB sneak. So chalk one up for Coughlin back in the day.
- Jones' late INTs now make more sense, particularly his pick that was towards Shepard when wide open. Throwing on a snowy field without your lower body to fully push will make the ball sail.
And as mentioned above, how the hell is Shurmur leaving his franchise QB in the game with a high ankle sprain in the snow. I'm sure Jones said he'll stay in, but there has to be some eyes from the coaches/trainers that saw that something was off and maybe get him out of the game.
I hope this doesn't end Jones' season, and maybe he comes back for the final Eagle game, but would anyone be stunned if this ends his season?
Let’s assume Jones is done for the year, just for shits and giggles. Eli is going to beat the Eagles twice in the same season? How many times in his career has that actually happened??
The ONLY time the Eli-led Giants consistently beat the Eagles (or swept them) was when Burress was on the team. Plax OWNED the Eagles. They have beat them ONLY 4 times since 2008.
Regardless -- one more win might be enough to screw up their draft position. But that's the kind of luck they've had this year.
We should still be good with 1 win. I'm not sure I expect us to get even 1 win now. At least Jones could move the ball and keep the defense somewhat fresh. Eli can't do that. So I'm expecting the Eagles to put up 40 this week.
As unfair as it sounds, I agree with Eric. Eli's looking at ending with a career record of 116-120 as a starter. The following QBs are in the HOF with a career sub-.500 record as a starter:
Joe Namath: 62-63-4
Sonny Jurgensen: 69-71-7
That's it. Currently, Eli's 116 losses is second most all time behind Testaverde at 122.
To me Eli's candidacy rests solely on those two Super Bowls. I don't think that's going to resonate with a big chunk of voters given the poor image he left the game with these last 7 years.
RE: I'm not sure if I'm reading this right but Vegas moved Â
Makes some sense. Eli is bound to not be sharp. The Eagles tend to make him look silly (tons of sacks, fumbles lost, and ints). And physically we don’t match up with them along the LOS.
Must be tough watching Packer fans take over the stadium last week and now with most likely a farewell tour for Eli it should guarantee the stadium being full for Miami and philly games with Eli's last starts. Could be wrong but just a thought
RE: I actually think we may win now Monday night.. Â
Must be tough watching Packer fans take over the stadium last week and now with most likely a farewell tour for Eli it should guarantee the stadium being full for Miami and philly games with Eli's last starts. Could be wrong but just a thought
What? Jones is in a walking boot. That's the only reason.
To me Eli's candidacy rests solely on those two Super Bowls. I don't think that's going to resonate with a big chunk of voters given the poor image he left the game with these last 7 years.
I think the SBs will carry extra weight because it was the Pats, Brady, and Belichick, especially the historical aspect of stopping the Pats undefeated season. Plus, the Pats aren't the darlings of the media. They have some stench with all of the scandals...
So that will likely be enough of a buffer for Eli as he slips below .500.
Must be tough watching Packer fans take over the stadium last week and now with most likely a farewell tour for Eli it should guarantee the stadium being full for Miami and philly games with Eli's last starts. Could be wrong but just a thought
If Mara loves Eli as many say, he’s ok with tarnishing his W/L record? Prove your love to Eli, John. Instruct Shurm to start Tanney. If he resists, fire him on the spot.
If some fans partially root for Eli to finish with a sub .500 record just to shovel more dirt in on him and the franchise. Humans have a tendency to be petty, I know, I speak from experience of being petty.
In comment 14702657 Matt in SGS said:Jones is a tough SOB staying in.
It also points to a couple of things
- He got hurt on the QB sneak on 4th down. I know that I've killed Coughlin in the past for not using the QB sneak on short yardage. Coughlin said he didn't do it because Eli wasn't great at it, and he didn't want guys getting free shots on your QB. Well, this year we've now seen Mahomes and Jones knocked out from the QB sneak. So chalk one up for Coughlin back in the day.
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This. If you're going to use your QB to gain positive yards or scramble to gain positive yards he's going to get hurt. Period. I'd be glad never to see a Giants' QB sneak again.
If some fans partially root for Eli to finish with a sub .500 record just to shovel more dirt in on him and the franchise. Humans have a tendency to be petty, I know, I speak from experience of being petty.
Was rooting for 4 losses to end the year, but I simply can't root against Eli at this point.
Also this speaks to Eli's toughness. Jones couldn't make it beyond 10 straight games played...
You don't think that it may have soemthing to do with the fact that Eli just refused to get hit the last 3 or so years. What it should speak to is Daniel Jones gutted through a high ankle last week and more thank likely would probably go Monday if the season wasn't lost.
Must be tough watching Packer fans take over the stadium last week and now with most likely a farewell tour for Eli it should guarantee the stadium being full for Miami and philly games with Eli's last starts. Could be wrong but just a thought
What? Jones is in a walking boot. That's the only reason.
Britt i can go to CVS or Walgreens right now and put myself in a walking boot come on you must not be a conspiracy theory kind of guy
Kid is getting hit too many times because of the terrible OL.
Listen - I'm as critical of the OL and position coach as anyone.
But DJ could help himself more with better pre snap diagnosis - he'll get there eventually - but rookies take hits
If some fans partially root for Eli to finish with a sub .500 record just to shovel more dirt in on him and the franchise. Humans have a tendency to be petty, I know, I speak from experience of being petty.
I personally don’t feel he is a HOF qb but he should be respected for what he achieved.
Must be tough watching Packer fans take over the stadium last week and now with most likely a farewell tour for Eli it should guarantee the stadium being full for Miami and philly games with Eli's last starts. Could be wrong but just a thought
If Mara loves Eli as many say, he’s ok with tarnishing his W/L record? Prove your love to Eli, John. Instruct Shurm to start Tanney. If he resists, fire him on the spot.
I can agree with that THe Boss. Good call
The Dolphins game should be intereting how many Giants fans Â
Was rooting for 4 losses to end the year, but I simply can't root against Eli at this point.
Also this speaks to Eli's toughness. Jones couldn't make it beyond 10 straight games played...
You don't think that it may have soemthing to do with the fact that Eli just refused to get hit the last 3 or so years. What it should speak to is Daniel Jones gutted through a high ankle last week and more thank likely would probably go Monday if the season wasn't lost.
Didn't want to get hit? What? Jones played with high ankle, tough no doubt. Not a knock on him that he can't match Eli Manning's invincibility on a football field.
fifteen years NEVER misses a start due to injury with all those shit o lines and all with the same team. It is astounding. If not benched, dollars to donuts he finishes all sixteen this year too. Jones out after ten games.
I don't want the Giants to win another game, but I hate to see the big guy go out with more losses.
I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.
On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.
there is no player in the history of the NFL with a career like Eli Manning. Joe Flacco maybe in the ballpark given his unreal playoff run, but that was one and he’s obviously an inferior QB to Manning and was on a much better run team.
Absurd highs and just brutally humiliating lows which we thought fully in the rear view mirror, but now will in all likelihood re-emerge Monday at the Linc. The Giants multi-decade abusive Daddy in a fight for the division are aiming to curb stomp the NYG.
With how easy it is to get in the HoF, Eli should make it. But realistically he really does not deserve to be there. Far more about the Giants’ ineptitude than him, but that’s the reality.
I don't want the Giants to win another game, but I hate to see the big guy go out with more losses.
I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.
On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.
Dilemma.
Feel the exact same way. Good summary.
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Makes some sense. Eli is bound to not be sharp. The Eagles tend to make him look silly (tons of sacks, fumbles lost, and ints). And physically we don’t match up with them along the LOS.
I don't want the Giants to win another game, but I hate to see the big guy go out with more losses.
I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.
On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.
Dilemma.
Odds are you don't have to worry about the wins portion of this scenario; whether it was Eli, Jones, or Brady in his prime playing QB for this disaster of a team.
If some fans partially root for Eli to finish with a sub .500 record just to shovel more dirt in on him and the franchise. Humans have a tendency to be petty, I know, I speak from experience of being petty.
Eli doesn't deserve any dirt shoveled on him. The franchise on the other hand deserves whatever it gets until real change is made.
that I've become way too used to Eli's iron man streak over the years. Going forward, I have to go back to giving a damn about who the second-string quarterback is.
If some fans partially root for Eli to finish with a sub .500 record just to shovel more dirt in on him and the franchise. Humans have a tendency to be petty, I know, I speak from experience of being petty.
Eli doesn't deserve any dirt shoveled on him. The franchise on the other hand deserves whatever it gets until real change is made.
The franchise deserves certain criticism for sure, but not for everything. Fans get lazy so they fail to even to attempt a better understanding of why certain things took place, it's much easier to just say the franchise made another mistake. There was a fan on here the other day criticizing the Giants for not trying flowers at guard.
you should have bantered with the crew from 10 years ago Â
Eli s record is pathetic. His career isn’t over yet, the starting quarterback has a high ankle sprain, next man up.
I m willing to bet Eli doesn’t share any of the sentiments shared here about getting to play, I m betting he s thrilled for the opportunity, know why, because he s a competitor.
It s sports, it s competition, you play to win, these athletes don’t concern themselves with any of the mamby pamby periphery espoused here, thankfully, would be difficult to root for them if they did.
Eli s record is pathetic. His career isn’t over yet, the starting quarterback has a high ankle sprain, next man up.
I m willing to bet Eli doesn’t share any of the sentiments shared here about getting to play, I m betting he s thrilled for the opportunity, know why, because he s a competitor.
It s sports, it s competition, you play to win, these athletes don’t concern themselves with any of the mamby pamby periphery espoused here, thankfully, would be difficult to root for them if they did.
Go Eli, !
Agreed. He doesn't care about those things. He didn't want to keep his streak going. This man is a professional, and he will prepare as such, as he always did.
that Eli gives less than 2 shots about his winning percentage. That's something that only people on this board care about.
On an unrelated note (and I really believe it to be unrelated), Shurmer was cagey in press conference earlier this week. When asked if his backup QB was ready he said something like, "who do you mean, Eli and Alex?" I'm not 100% convinced that Eli is his guy, even as a backup. I am pretty convinced that he loves Tanney to death.
It goes both ways. There was a poster a couple days ago trying to tell me Daniel Jones is a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson. And of course there's been the baseless optimism over the 2018 and 2019 draft classes.
Sometimes it seems like there's no objectivity anywhere. Fortunately there's an infallible metric that tells us the actual truth. And in that metric, the Giants are 3-13, 5-11, and 2-10 the last three years...worst in the entire NFL.
I don't want the Giants to win another game, but I hate to see the big guy go out with more losses.
I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.
On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.
I don't want the Giants to win another game, but I hate to see the big guy go out with more losses.
I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.
On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.
Dilemma.
This x2
I was literally gchatting with a buddy this morning about how, for the first time, despite all the bad seasons recently, this was the first year and the first time I was going to actively root for losses. I've obviously known it's better for us to lose, but never could bring myself to pull for it. This year was going to be an exception as I desperately want big organizational changes.
So much for that. I can't root against Eli in this spot. I just can't.
It goes both ways. There was a poster a couple days ago trying to tell me Daniel Jones is a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson. And of course there's been the baseless optimism over the 2018 and 2019 draft classes.
Sometimes it seems like there's no objectivity anywhere. Fortunately there's an infallible metric that tells us the actual truth. And in that metric, the Giants are 3-13, 5-11, and 2-10 the last three years...worst in the entire NFL.
Terps, certainly it does go both ways, you're right. I don't mind when fans question anything really, it's how they go about questioning for me. Discussion is good, ideas are good, expressing our views with unstoppable authority isn't part of a healthy discussion in my opinion. I find it hard for me to learn or enjoy conversation when there isn't any give in views.
Was rooting for 4 losses to end the year, but I simply can't root against Eli at this point.
Also this speaks to Eli's toughness. Jones couldn't make it beyond 10 straight games played...
You don't think that it may have soemthing to do with the fact that Eli just refused to get hit the last 3 or so years. What it should speak to is Daniel Jones gutted through a high ankle last week and more thank likely would probably go Monday if the season wasn't lost.
Moronic. First of all Eli did get hit a lot the last 3 years and it was somewhat amazing he did not get hurt. Yes he got rid of the ball in some cases to avoid the rush but playing behind that garbage of a line that would be expected. Listen this is not a debate about Eli anymore as his time has passed but anyone who questions his toughness has either been living in a cave or just plain ignorant. San Francisco NFC Championship game. The guy took a brutal beating and still won. Do you think Daniel Jones would have survived that game or not fumbled the ball several times?
RE: It was clear as day that Jones was injured on that 4th & 1. Â
Yet this moron keeps trotting him out there, which I'm sure as hell bet didn't help matters.
JFC.
i was saying this to my friend after the half. it was obvious the ankle was bothering him and that he wasn't right and shouldn't be in there. probably contributed to those awful interceptions.
But after that: Dolphins at home, Skins, and then home game against an Eagles team that I think is better than 50/50 to have been eliminated by Dallas the week before.
Been thinking all along that 2-11 could plausibly become 5-11.
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But after that: Dolphins at home, Skins, and then home game against an Eagles team that I think is better than 50/50 to have been eliminated by Dallas the week before.
Been thinking all along that 2-11 could plausibly become 5-11.
LOL. Yes. The OL and DL are magically going to become even just average now. People don't pay attention.
...moves the needle that much - like Dave in Hoboken just mentioned, the lines remain....maybe Eli doesn't fumble as much but the playbook will be limited without Jones' mobility. Plus Jones was making some nice throws.
But after that: Dolphins at home, Skins, and then home game against an Eagles team that I think is better than 50/50 to have been eliminated by Dallas the week before.
Been thinking all along that 2-11 could plausibly become 5-11.
LOL. Yes. The OL and DL are magically going to become even just average now. People don't pay attention.
My worry here is the law of averages. I don't see the Giants finishing on a 12 game losing streak. They are going to get a win in these next 4 games.
I don't think it will happen on Monday Night, because Philly is a hell-hole.
But would anyone be shocked to see them beat the Dolphins, even in a boring shitfest, because you will have a team from South Florida playing in 40 degrees and rain (which is the way early forecast). I can see the Giants win that game like 14-10 or 17-14 or something.
Washington is playing better, but are they a lock to win at home? There will be about 5 people in the stands for that one.
And if the Eagles are eliminated before the final game, from what I've seen of this Eagles team this year, they are playing like a team that hates their QB. I could see that game like the Redskins in the final game of 2017 when the Giants won to get to 3-13.
I don't see Eli lighting up teams for 350 yards and multiple TDs. But I see Eli not making as many mistakes and playing it safer than Jones did. Playing 3 teams down the stretch who are all (* on the Eagles) playing out the string, and the law of averages tells me the Giants will win at least 1 of those games, and I wouldn't be stunned to see them win 2 of them either.
But after that: Dolphins at home, Skins, and then home game against an Eagles team that I think is better than 50/50 to have been eliminated by Dallas the week before.
Been thinking all along that 2-11 could plausibly become 5-11.
LOL. Yes. The OL and DL are magically going to become even just average now. People don't pay attention.
My worry here is the law of averages. I don't see the Giants finishing on a 12 game losing streak. They are going to get a win in these next 4 games.
I don't think it will happen on Monday Night, because Philly is a hell-hole.
But would anyone be shocked to see them beat the Dolphins, even in a boring shitfest, because you will have a team from South Florida playing in 40 degrees and rain (which is the way early forecast). I can see the Giants win that game like 14-10 or 17-14 or something.
Washington is playing better, but are they a lock to win at home? There will be about 5 people in the stands for that one.
And if the Eagles are eliminated before the final game, from what I've seen of this Eagles team this year, they are playing like a team that hates their QB. I could see that game like the Redskins in the final game of 2017 when the Giants won to get to 3-13.
I don't see Eli lighting up teams for 350 yards and multiple TDs. But I see Eli not making as many mistakes and playing it safer than Jones did. Playing 3 teams down the stretch who are all (* on the Eagles) playing out the string, and the law of averages tells me the Giants will win at least 1 of those games, and I wouldn't be stunned to see them win 2 of them either.
I'm not as confident. Eli hasn't played a game in 3 months and the OL and DL have gotten worse every week. We shall see.
That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point
Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet
This Junior guy is rediculous with his Eli hate. I bet he's like 10 yrs old and doesn't remember those Super Bowls.
There are a ton of these "fans" ruining this site, they came over when we got OBJ. They are just awful, unknowledgeable posters/fans. I hate them with a passion, so I just don't post here anymore.
Eli will be playing against teams with a combined record of 16-32.
I know that football is a team sport, but if Jones doesn't play again this year and Eli finishes with a sub .500 career winning percentage, wouldn't that be at least partially of Eli's own doing?
I hope Eli tells Shurmur to shut up on the first play he tries to call in. Eli should run the offense and go with what he sees out there. Allow him to use that big head of his. One of his greatest attributes has always been his intelligence.
Get under center, adjust the alignment, run the ball to setup the play action pass. Eli should play to his strengths.
So sick of watching this coaching staff try to force square pegs into round holes.
I hope Eli tells Shurmur to shut up on the first play he tries to call in. Eli should run the offense and go with what he sees out there. Allow him to use that big head of his. One of his greatest attributes has always been his intelligence.
Get under center, adjust the alignment, run the ball to setup the play action pass. Eli should play to his strengths.
So sick of watching this coaching staff try to force square pegs into round holes.
Amen. Shurmur is near gone anyway regardless of what happens in these final games. Hope Eli flips Shurmur the bird with every successful play
An old 40 yrs old qb cold from not getting hit is going to torch the eagles or any NFL defense?
Dude is going to take a pounding after a long layoff. He is old and can't avoid a rush
We might lose out
We may try to run the ball with power. We don't know how much of the O Line issues have been with Jones and the communication with the Center.
So now Jones is the reason the oline sucks. Hahahahah
That is not what I said so don't be a douche.
The fact is, with Jones we run shotgun a ton and the RPO look. With Eli I don't think that will happen and a greater freedom to change plays at the line and the use of play action passing might be in order.
The O Line might benefit as may Barkley. Don't put words in my mouth.
because eli will audible and be able to get them into better plays- what is ridiculous is they didnt give jones much flexibility in doing so... which is why so many runs are met with people at barkleys feet 1 step into the play
because eli will audible and be able to get them into better plays- what is ridiculous is they didnt give jones much flexibility in doing so... which is why so many runs are met with people at barkleys feet 1 step into the play
My thought exactly after Baldy's Breakdown two weeks ago. The blitzes are thrown into his DJs face and he never did anything to audible out of them. He's gotta be handcuffed in some way.
because eli will audible and be able to get them into better plays- what is ridiculous is they didnt give jones much flexibility in doing so... which is why so many runs are met with people at barkleys feet 1 step into the play
But I hope that when Eli gets a dumb play call from the sidelines (which will happen several times) he just ignores it and calls what makes sense at that time.
What does he have to lose at this point?
'in a draft that has 2 potential franchise QBs up top' Â
For one week at least. You know ownership is giddy.
Excited to watch our HOF QB audible out of Shurmur's abysmal play calling all night. Saquon should reap the benefits and our coach, arrogantly taking credit.
...moves the needle that much - like Dave in Hoboken just mentioned, the lines remain....maybe Eli doesn't fumble as much but the playbook will be limited without Jones' mobility. Plus Jones was making some nice throws.
I don't see the playbook being limited at all. If anything it will be expanded
Definitely shed a tear when he takes field class act, warrior and a role model for young GIANTS to start playing football with some heart instead of cashing paychecks
Lets upset dirty birds make something out of season
has no mobility, our OL can't block, and our receivers can't separate. The Eagles will get pressure with five or five DL, forcing Eli to throw into tight windows against six or seven DBs. My guess is that he gets pummeled.
I hope Eli tells Shurmur to shut up on the first play he tries to call in. Eli should run the offense and go with what he sees out there. Allow him to use that big head of his. One of his greatest attributes has always been his intelligence.
Get under center, adjust the alignment, run the ball to setup the play action pass. Eli should play to his strengths.
So sick of watching this coaching staff try to force square pegs into round holes.
I actually would love for him to play off-script and without abandon. What is Shurmur going to do - bench him? Shurmur won't have the option. If Mara is witness to an in-game benching of Manning, he may have security lead Shurmur away in a perp walk. Manning is a made man. He can do whatever he wants without fear of repercussions.
Joe Flacco has had more than 4 good playoff games. He has played in 15 career playoff games and his record is 10-5.
Flacco posted a passer rating of 92.1 or higher an amazing 9 times.Taking out his first 2 seasons, Joe has had a 92.1 passer rating or higher in 9 of 10 playoff games. That would be thanks to his touchdown-to-interception ratio of 24-4.
Flacco holds the record for most post-season road wins by a quarterback, with 7.
Joe Flacco is one of the best playoff quarterbacks in NFL history.
Joe Flacco has had more than 4 good playoff games. He has played in 15 career playoff games and his record is 10-5.
Flacco posted a passer rating of 92.1 or higher an amazing 9 times.Taking out his first 2 seasons, Joe has had a 92.1 passer rating or higher in 9 of 10 playoff games. That would be thanks to his touchdown-to-interception ratio of 24-4.
Flacco holds the record for most post-season road wins by a quarterback, with 7.
Joe Flacco is one of the best playoff quarterbacks in NFL history.
Playoff success is only important when talking Eli. Flacco was just lucky to have a great defense, coach, oline receivers. Eli won 2 rings with no help
Playoff success is only important when talking Eli. Flacco was just lucky to have a great defense, coach, oline receivers. Eli won 2 rings with no help
Cmon, even Elway needed a running game and a defense before he could win the SB
That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point
Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet
This Junior guy is rediculous with his Eli hate. I bet he's like 10 yrs old and doesn't remember those Super Bowls.
There are a ton of these "fans" ruining this site, they came over when we got OBJ. They are just awful, unknowledgeable posters/fans. I hate them with a passion, so I just don't post here anymore.
They are all over FB also in the Giants groups on there. Just clueless fans who get their info from FF and Madden
Pretty straightforward to me, root for our longtime QB to beat the Eagles one more time, draft position be damned. We probably won't win anyway. This is getting to be like comedy with this team.
I know it's being ridiculous to even think about, but just for the sake of preserving the draft position, who would complain much if Tanney got any starts Jones couldn't make?
He’ll cement his HOF legacy and give a parting “fuck you” to ownership and the front office. And fuck over the Eagles in the process.
Fucking over the Eagles is worth losing out on Chase Young.
Go NY, its the city where the monkey fell off the building!
I feel you, but the only thing I don't get is the fuck you to ownership. They've made him and his family insanely wealthy. Over $200 million during his career? His kids, grandkids, great grandkids and so forth should never, ever want for anything material. Also, he knew it couldn't go on forever. Pretty sure Easy E bears no malice toward ownership. Coach, maybe. DG, probably. But not Mara and Tisch.
How 'bout Eli loses on Monday, starts and wins against 'Fins Â
The verbal diarrhea Eli's going to have to tune out in that stadium will be unprecedented. Hope he comes out with a win and doesn't get maimed in the process.
It would take our Lord Jesus to save Shurmur's job at this point. He isn't being saved by a qb in the last few games of his contract.
Manning is a lock for the HOF. Multiple SB MVP's in wins against the mighty Pats, including their previously undefeated team, 57,000 yards, 370 td's, he's in first ballot. This isn't baseball.
has no mobility, our OL can't block, and our receivers can't separate. The Eagles will get pressure with five or five DL, forcing Eli to throw into tight windows against six or seven DBs. My guess is that he gets pummeled.
Could be that those linemen will play better for an old, defenseless Giants hero than they did for the new kid, Jones, who can (or could) run. Plus Eli did a lot of losing to the Eagles and would like to leave (if he must) after turning that around. Pride, you know. Hard to predict what will do or when it will show itself.
when the ball gets kicked off for a Giant's game, I want a win. I don't care about getting the coach fired, a better draft position, etc. I just want to win that game. If we lose the game, then maybe I'll look for silver linings, but I never go into a game hoping to lose. I just want to win. Always.
In a season that turned helpless a long time ago a ray of sunshine appears.
I hope Eli destroys the Eagles Monday night.
Also a speedy recovery for DJ.
I hope Eli tells Shurmur to stick it and go sit down Â
Why this matters to so many people I have no idea.
Me too, who gives a crap.
Only the morons on here that have developed a self concept problem over the last few years because of the losing. The idea that there is a difference between being several games over .500 versus several games under .500 relative to a assessing a QB’s15 year career is ludicrous.
It goes both ways. There was a poster a couple days ago trying to tell me Daniel Jones is a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson. And of course there's been the baseless optimism over the 2018 and 2019 draft classes.
Well it's not an outrageous thought. As a pure thrower of the football (physically, mentally, etc), I'm not so sure Lamar Jackson is all that great. Pretty good maybe, but he's getting RG3 2012 easy level throws on the regular, with perhaps an even more powerful running game. Kaepernick used to get those easy throws in late 2012 as well.
By the narrative people are using for Lamar right now, Kap and RG3 were top 5 QBs in 2012, for sure. RG3 had a great TD/INT ratio, offensive rookie of the year, managed to move the ball on a tough seattle defense in the playoffs. Kap actually carried the 49ers in the 2012 playoffs when they allowed 31 to Green Bay at home, 24 to the Falcons, and still put up 31 in a SB first losing effort (i.e. losing a SB scoring more than 30 points).
Maybe Lamar will develop into a good QB in the traditional sense, but that remains to be seen. It took Russell Wilson 8 seasons to finally carry the Seahawks the way the national narrative claimed he was doing from day 1.
For now Jackson's certainly explosive and effective.
But when Jones or Goff or Garoppolo have a game as ugly as last year's playoff game against the Chargers, I'll be holding my praise for Jackson tight to the vest.
and I think he will be the future. However Im happy to see Eli for one more time. I hope he does well and makes all us Eli fans proud. He is not the future but I do feel he was dealt a bad had at the end of his career.
Russell Wilson has been doing it since his early years Â
the playoffs, even great teams. I wonder why posters on here underplay how elite QBs sometimes get shafted and how sometimes only somewhat good QBs get crowned.
And how bad they went, which is why DJ8 was named starting QB? Eli hasn't played in 10 weeks and the rest of the team has regressed in that time frame too
But yeah he's going to go out there throwing fire. Ok.
Then basically does what he wants with the offense when he is out there.
Why would he do that? And why would you think he would do that? Why would you even say something like that?
I'm sick of moronic statements. Eli deserved to sit. He should have sat last year. Eli is cooked and has been
cooked for two years.
What is your issue? Where did I say Eli shouldn't have been replaced? You are creating your own agenda from what I said. I think Shurmur sucks, that is what I am talking about. So yes, I hope a veteran QB who has nothing really to lose tells him to take a hike. Thats all. I swear, some of you need to get a grip. I'm not one of you guys who has to like one player over the other. I like both Jones and Eli. I hate Shurmur. And don't ever call me a moron.
I hope throws 400 yards, scores winning TD w a minutes left each game Â
On his way out ..what a way to come in team is
a dumpster fire so he gets the beloved Eagles team
desperate for a win with no weapons ..
It would be fitting that he beats them with a
come back drive . Ok I know i'm dreaming I just
wanted him to go out on a good note but
not gonna happen under UnShurmur
Wants Eli to bet the Eagles on monday night to put the Eagles fans out of their misery.
It won't happen though, Eli has a terrible career record against the lousy Eagles.
That and Shurmur is still doing the play calling, and he's the worst head coach in Giants history.
It goes both ways. There was a poster a couple days ago trying to tell me Daniel Jones is a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson. And of course there's been the baseless optimism over the 2018 and 2019 draft classes.
Well it's not an outrageous thought. As a pure thrower of the football (physically, mentally, etc), I'm not so sure Lamar Jackson is all that great. Pretty good maybe, but he's getting RG3 2012 easy level throws on the regular, with perhaps an even more powerful running game. Kaepernick used to get those easy throws in late 2012 as well.
By the narrative people are using for Lamar right now, Kap and RG3 were top 5 QBs in 2012, for sure. RG3 had a great TD/INT ratio, offensive rookie of the year, managed to move the ball on a tough seattle defense in the playoffs. Kap actually carried the 49ers in the 2012 playoffs when they allowed 31 to Green Bay at home, 24 to the Falcons, and still put up 31 in a SB first losing effort (i.e. losing a SB scoring more than 30 points).
Maybe Lamar will develop into a good QB in the traditional sense, but that remains to be seen. It took Russell Wilson 8 seasons to finally carry the Seahawks the way the national narrative claimed he was doing from day 1.
For now Jackson's certainly explosive and effective.
But when Jones or Goff or Garoppolo have a game as ugly as last year's playoff game against the Chargers, I'll be holding my praise for Jackson tight to the vest.
I'm no expert but you seem overly concerned with "narratives".
Wants Eli to beat the Eagles on monday night to put the Eagles fans out of their misery.
It won't happen though, Eli has a terrible career record against the lousy Eagles.
That and Shurmur is still doing the play calling, and he's the worst head coach in Giants history.
Jordan Raanan
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Daniel Jones in a boot + has moderate high ankle sprain, per Pat Shurmur. He couldn’t play if Giants had game today. Shurmur compared it to what Saquon Barkley had, slightly less severe. Barkley missed three games. So get ready for the return of Eli Manning on Monday vs Eagles.
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Daniel Jones is in a boot.
Has a moderate high ankle sprain.
Won’t be ready to play Monday in Philly.
It will be Eli Manning as the starting quarterback, once again.
Perhaps for the remainder of the season.
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BREAKING: Daniel Jones will very likely miss Monday’s game against Eagles, which means Eli Manning is back as the starting quarterback for the Giants.
Jones’ right ankle is in a protective boot. He won’t practice today and tomorrow and Pat Shurmur says injury similar to Saquon.
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Giants did not think Jones’ ankle was imported this badly.
The soreness got worse, he got an MRI and it revealed the high ankle sprain
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In a cruel twist to Giants season: Strong chance TE Evan Engram (foot) and WR Golden Tate (concussion) return Monday, giving Giants all their healthy weapons for first time this season. ... Only Jones likes won’t get to work with them.
This year just gets uglier.
A rusty Eli vs a desperate Eagle team?
I’m guessing he’s sacked 5 times and turns it over 3.
NYG lose 35-10
Tough son-of-a-bitch.
my thoughts exactly. we are definetly about to screw up our draft position
Eli's final revenge, saving Shurmer's job!
I dunno, Eric...it might work out ok....
;>)
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Jones returns following weeks and plays well but we still lose, remain in the 2nd draft slot and still fire Shurmur.
Who's with me?
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Eli will finally beat them and take the Giants out of getting Chase Young.
my thoughts exactly. we are definetly about to screw up our draft position
With our luck you know this is happening. Fucking cursed.
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Eli will finally beat them and take the Giants out of getting Chase Young.
my thoughts exactly. we are definetly about to screw up our draft position
Let’s assume Jones is done for the year, just for shits and giggles. Eli is going to beat the Eagles twice in the same season? How many times in his career has that actually happened??
JFC.
This year just gets uglier.
I think you were already in for a surprise if you really thought we were considering taking another QB this year. 0.00% chance.
Tough son-of-a-bitch.
+1000
If so, the NYG should just start Tanney and not fuck Eli one last time for the road.
Tough son-of-a-bitch.
Eric obviously we aren't MD's and we don't know how serious the DJ injury. Saquon missed 3 games with a mild sprain. But even if it is mild, even more mild than Saquon is there any reason to trot DJ out quickly? It seems to me its almost like setting up the perfect scenario where the team can give Eli one more home game start 2 weeks from now. Is that too far fetched?
Dude is going to take a pounding after a long layoff. He is old and can't avoid a rush
We might lose out
We are very lucky and fortunate in that regard. We will know to appreciate this moment more.
It's a win-win. We win, Eli gets a final W. We lose, we keep our draft position.
That is sucky. Let's see if our run game improves, with Eli being able to check to a run. Barkley may see more passes his way too.
Dude is going to take a pounding after a long layoff. He is old and can't avoid a rush
We might lose out
We may try to run the ball with power. We don't know how much of the O Line issues have been with Jones and the communication with the Center.
We are very lucky and fortunate in that regard. We will know to appreciate this moment more.
It's a win-win. We win, Eli gets a final W. We lose, we keep our draft position.
If DJ misses the rest of the season...well I'm sorry but I wanna see Eli 4-0. I don't care if it screws us out of Chase Young or Shurmur keeping his job. I wanna see Eli silence his critics and fucking go 4-0.
4-0 for Eli. Fuck it.
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An old 40 yrs old qb cold from not getting hit is going to torch the eagles or any NFL defense?
Dude is going to take a pounding after a long layoff. He is old and can't avoid a rush
We might lose out
We may try to run the ball with power. We don't know how much of the O Line issues have been with Jones and the communication with the Center.
So now Jones is the reason the oline sucks. Hahahahah
I also hope he goes 0-4 if he’s going to start all of these games. Winning now is not a good outcome.
2-14 is the goal.
This to me is Eli's goodbye tour- which also is Pat Shurmur's bye bye tour.
Jones's injury may or may not be that severe but, it is a built in excuse to get Eli some final games in a Giants uniform and keep Jones from looking worse before off to the coaching search..
No, the worst possible news would be a torn ACL for Jones or Barkley.
Beat the dam Eagles
It is what happens with Mobil quarterbacks though
Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet
Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet
Bye.
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An old 40 yrs old qb cold from not getting hit is going to torch the eagles or any NFL defense?
Dude is going to take a pounding after a long layoff. He is old and can't avoid a rush
We might lose out
We may try to run the ball with power. We don't know how much of the O Line issues have been with Jones and the communication with the Center.
So now Jones is the reason the oline sucks. Hahahahah
Likely not the case, but the line did appear more competent in the first 2 games of the season. Small sample size, of course. But we all know Eli is good at pre-snap reads, so maybe there is SOMETHING to it. I guess we will find out.
But sad that it's come to this...
Was rooting for 4 losses to end the year, but I simply can't root against Eli at this point.
Also this speaks to Eli's toughness. Jones couldn't make it beyond 10 straight games played...
Karma.
Shurmur's last experience with Daniel Jones was keeping him in a snow game with a high ankle sprain.
Any type of progress Mara might be looking for would presumably be much more important with Jones in there as they headed for year 2 together. Eli winning a couple of games here might lead Mara to believe two things.
1) Shurmur pulled Eli too early.
2) This is much more about Eli than Shurmur.
That's best case scenario in my eyes.
Bingo.
That's possibly true, but it also pisses me off that the voters think like that. Eli's body of work is such that four games at the end of his career should have no impact on the decision.
It's kinda similar to Coughlin. If Coughlin had retired at the end of the 2011 season, he would be a shoe-in for the Hall of Fame. But when his time for consideration comes, his four sub-par seasons will be a factor that might keep him out.
I seriously doubt we're going to win this game. I'm expecting a 30-10 type score. Another blowout.
Well, it is.
Thankfully, Eli is not that petty.
you have Giants fans on BBI to attack him.
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Anything that saves this regime is not good. I’ll expect the offense to look better than it has since the TB game.
I seriously doubt we're going to win this game. I'm expecting a 30-10 type score. Another blowout.
Eli looked GREAT in the first two games of the season. Don't you remember?
-Jones hurt, Manning re-inserted as starter
-Ron Rivera looming
Gonna' be a roller coaster for sure. Merry Christmas, New York Media.
One thing I will look for is if the Giants running game improves with Eli changing plays and making OL calls.
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in all of this is the fact that Daniel Jones played with a high ankle sprain last Sunday.
Tough son-of-a-bitch.
+1000
Agree , tough.
The backup playing Monday night never missed a game!
Astounding, Jones is out of commison ten games into his career.
There is tough and then there is hall of fame tough.
The ONLY time the Eli-led Giants consistently beat the Eagles (or swept them) was when Burress was on the team. Plax OWNED the Eagles. They have beat them ONLY 4 times since 2008.
Regardless -- one more win might be enough to screw up their draft position. But that's the kind of luck they've had this year.
One thing I will look for is if the Giants running game improves with Eli changing plays and making OL calls.
I don't think you fully understand just how moronic sports writers are. Eli Manning is not respected by the bulk of them. They are only looking for an excuse to keep him out.
Exactly, this potentially adds some fun to the rest of the season. Unfortunately this defense will probably snuff out any chances for Eli to go out in heroic fashion.
you have Giants fans on BBI to attack him.
He'll be 39 in less than a month.
Why do people all of a sudden think Eli is some savior? He was horrible the first two weeks.
This year just gets uglier.
They’re not drafting another QB anyway
Will check another source to confirm.
I said this since at least the preseason. 0-16 would force Mara to clean house. I'll settle for 2-14
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say he is 36. Who needs the media to go after ELi when
you have Giants fans on BBI to attack him.
He'll be 39 in less than a month.
Why do people all of a sudden think Eli is some savior? He was horrible the first two weeks.
They don't. It's a defense mechanism until he retires with a sub .500 record. THEN, it gets interesting.
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Anything that saves this regime is not good. I’ll expect the offense to look better than it has since the TB game.
I seriously doubt we're going to win this game. I'm expecting a 30-10 type score. Another blowout.
I would love for the Giants to win this game with Eli, but there is no way in hell that is happening.
Three score blowout.
It also points to a couple of things
- He got hurt on the QB sneak on 4th down. I know that I've killed Coughlin in the past for not using the QB sneak on short yardage. Coughlin said he didn't do it because Eli wasn't great at it, and he didn't want guys getting free shots on your QB. Well, this year we've now seen Mahomes and Jones knocked out from the QB sneak. So chalk one up for Coughlin back in the day.
- Jones' late INTs now make more sense, particularly his pick that was towards Shepard when wide open. Throwing on a snowy field without your lower body to fully push will make the ball sail.
And as mentioned above, how the hell is Shurmur leaving his franchise QB in the game with a high ankle sprain in the snow. I'm sure Jones said he'll stay in, but there has to be some eyes from the coaches/trainers that saw that something was off and maybe get him out of the game.
I hope this doesn't end Jones' season, and maybe he comes back for the final Eagle game, but would anyone be stunned if this ends his season?
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Let’s assume Jones is done for the year, just for shits and giggles. Eli is going to beat the Eagles twice in the same season? How many times in his career has that actually happened??
The ONLY time the Eli-led Giants consistently beat the Eagles (or swept them) was when Burress was on the team. Plax OWNED the Eagles. They have beat them ONLY 4 times since 2008.
Regardless -- one more win might be enough to screw up their draft position. But that's the kind of luck they've had this year.
We should still be good with 1 win. I'm not sure I expect us to get even 1 win now. At least Jones could move the ball and keep the defense somewhat fresh. Eli can't do that. So I'm expecting the Eagles to put up 40 this week.
As unfair as it sounds, I agree with Eric. Eli's looking at ending with a career record of 116-120 as a starter. The following QBs are in the HOF with a career sub-.500 record as a starter:
Joe Namath: 62-63-4
Sonny Jurgensen: 69-71-7
That's it. Currently, Eli's 116 losses is second most all time behind Testaverde at 122.
To me Eli's candidacy rests solely on those two Super Bowls. I don't think that's going to resonate with a big chunk of voters given the poor image he left the game with these last 7 years.
Will check another source to confirm.
Makes some sense. Eli is bound to not be sharp. The Eagles tend to make him look silly (tons of sacks, fumbles lost, and ints). And physically we don’t match up with them along the LOS.
That would be interesting, and troubling.
What? Jones is in a walking boot. That's the only reason.
To me Eli's candidacy rests solely on those two Super Bowls. I don't think that's going to resonate with a big chunk of voters given the poor image he left the game with these last 7 years.
I think the SBs will carry extra weight because it was the Pats, Brady, and Belichick, especially the historical aspect of stopping the Pats undefeated season. Plus, the Pats aren't the darlings of the media. They have some stench with all of the scandals...
So that will likely be enough of a buffer for Eli as he slips below .500.
If Mara loves Eli as many say, he’s ok with tarnishing his W/L record? Prove your love to Eli, John. Instruct Shurm to start Tanney. If he resists, fire him on the spot.
It also points to a couple of things
- He got hurt on the QB sneak on 4th down. I know that I've killed Coughlin in the past for not using the QB sneak on short yardage. Coughlin said he didn't do it because Eli wasn't great at it, and he didn't want guys getting free shots on your QB. Well, this year we've now seen Mahomes and Jones knocked out from the QB sneak. So chalk one up for Coughlin back in the day.
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This. If you're going to use your QB to gain positive yards or scramble to gain positive yards he's going to get hurt. Period. I'd be glad never to see a Giants' QB sneak again.
Why wonder? It's clear as day.
But sad that it's come to this...
Was rooting for 4 losses to end the year, but I simply can't root against Eli at this point.
Also this speaks to Eli's toughness. Jones couldn't make it beyond 10 straight games played...
You don't think that it may have soemthing to do with the fact that Eli just refused to get hit the last 3 or so years. What it should speak to is Daniel Jones gutted through a high ankle last week and more thank likely would probably go Monday if the season wasn't lost.
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Must be tough watching Packer fans take over the stadium last week and now with most likely a farewell tour for Eli it should guarantee the stadium being full for Miami and philly games with Eli's last starts. Could be wrong but just a thought
What? Jones is in a walking boot. That's the only reason.
Britt i can go to CVS or Walgreens right now and put myself in a walking boot come on you must not be a conspiracy theory kind of guy
Listen - I'm as critical of the OL and position coach as anyone.
But DJ could help himself more with better pre snap diagnosis - he'll get there eventually - but rookies take hits
No kidding. It's irritating because their stupidity makes the Hall of Fame mean less in my eyes.
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Must be tough watching Packer fans take over the stadium last week and now with most likely a farewell tour for Eli it should guarantee the stadium being full for Miami and philly games with Eli's last starts. Could be wrong but just a thought
If Mara loves Eli as many say, he’s ok with tarnishing his W/L record? Prove your love to Eli, John. Instruct Shurm to start Tanney. If he resists, fire him on the spot.
I can agree with that THe Boss. Good call
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Excited to see Eli play again...
But sad that it's come to this...
Was rooting for 4 losses to end the year, but I simply can't root against Eli at this point.
Also this speaks to Eli's toughness. Jones couldn't make it beyond 10 straight games played...
You don't think that it may have soemthing to do with the fact that Eli just refused to get hit the last 3 or so years. What it should speak to is Daniel Jones gutted through a high ankle last week and more thank likely would probably go Monday if the season wasn't lost.
Didn't want to get hit? What? Jones played with high ankle, tough no doubt. Not a knock on him that he can't match Eli Manning's invincibility on a football field.
fifteen years NEVER misses a start due to injury with all those shit o lines and all with the same team. It is astounding. If not benched, dollars to donuts he finishes all sixteen this year too. Jones out after ten games.
I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.
On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.
Dilemma.
But here's hoping Eli has a little something left, torches the Eagles and goes on a little run.
Absurd highs and just brutally humiliating lows which we thought fully in the rear view mirror, but now will in all likelihood re-emerge Monday at the Linc. The Giants multi-decade abusive Daddy in a fight for the division are aiming to curb stomp the NYG.
With how easy it is to get in the HoF, Eli should make it. But realistically he really does not deserve to be there. Far more about the Giants’ ineptitude than him, but that’s the reality.
I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.
On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.
Dilemma.
Feel the exact same way. Good summary.
Those tickets will be selling for $13 bucks on the secondary markets come game day.
Eli plays average and the OL sucks again, we lose and Shurmur looks like a moron because he cant win a football game.
Makes some sense. Eli is bound to not be sharp. The Eagles tend to make him look silly (tons of sacks, fumbles lost, and ints). And physically we don’t match up with them along the LOS.
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I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.
On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.
Dilemma.
Odds are you don't have to worry about the wins portion of this scenario; whether it was Eli, Jones, or Brady in his prime playing QB for this disaster of a team.
This has the potential to be absolutely humiliating for him.
Oh and how about this for insult to injury...the Giants/Eagles all time rivalry:
TIED!! (86-86).
Tough son-of-a-bitch.
I commented that two of his ints were due to balls being too high. Having a right ankle issue could have caused that.
Eli doesn't deserve any dirt shoveled on him. The franchise on the other hand deserves whatever it gets until real change is made.
It would be great if Barkley has 200 APY and we do not see any Shotgun Inside Handoffs. Would be telling.
you have Giants fans on BBI to attack him.
Adding a year (one year, not two - he turns 39 in less than a month) to his age is now attacking him?
JFC people will get their panties in a twist over anything.
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Hopefully it's only for one game.
No, the worst possible news would be a torn ACL for Jones or Barkley.
I heard Barkley sucks, hesitant and not powerful, so him being hurt should not change much.
Some of you guys are really strange.
Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet
Then you should probably get an early start and turn your television off now.
At the very least, do us all a favor and turn your effing internet off.
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If some fans partially root for Eli to finish with a sub .500 record just to shovel more dirt in on him and the franchise. Humans have a tendency to be petty, I know, I speak from experience of being petty.
Eli doesn't deserve any dirt shoveled on him. The franchise on the other hand deserves whatever it gets until real change is made.
The franchise deserves certain criticism for sure, but not for everything. Fans get lazy so they fail to even to attempt a better understanding of why certain things took place, it's much easier to just say the franchise made another mistake. There was a fan on here the other day criticizing the Giants for not trying flowers at guard.
Geez that would be nuts. Only 5 players have won multiple SB MVPs, can't imagine how Eli could ever be denied a jacket.
Eli plays average and the OL sucks again, we lose and Shurmur looks like a moron because he cant win a football game.
Shurmur's dead man walking either way - any wins and you can kiss any chance at Young goodbye.
I m willing to bet Eli doesn’t share any of the sentiments shared here about getting to play, I m betting he s thrilled for the opportunity, know why, because he s a competitor.
It s sports, it s competition, you play to win, these athletes don’t concern themselves with any of the mamby pamby periphery espoused here, thankfully, would be difficult to root for them if they did.
Go Eli, !
Eric you cannot be serious with this shit?
I think the 2 SB's will be more of a determinant...
I m willing to bet Eli doesn’t share any of the sentiments shared here about getting to play, I m betting he s thrilled for the opportunity, know why, because he s a competitor.
It s sports, it s competition, you play to win, these athletes don’t concern themselves with any of the mamby pamby periphery espoused here, thankfully, would be difficult to root for them if they did.
Go Eli, !
Agreed. He doesn't care about those things. He didn't want to keep his streak going. This man is a professional, and he will prepare as such, as he always did.
On an unrelated note (and I really believe it to be unrelated), Shurmer was cagey in press conference earlier this week. When asked if his backup QB was ready he said something like, "who do you mean, Eli and Alex?" I'm not 100% convinced that Eli is his guy, even as a backup. I am pretty convinced that he loves Tanney to death.
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last four games may be the four games that determine Eli's HOF chances.
Eric you cannot be serious with this shit?
I think the 2 SB's will be more of a determinant...
And the fact that Eli will be 7th in all time passing yards in NFL history after Monday night.
Sometimes it seems like there's no objectivity anywhere. Fortunately there's an infallible metric that tells us the actual truth. And in that metric, the Giants are 3-13, 5-11, and 2-10 the last three years...worst in the entire NFL.
I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.
On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.
Dilemma.
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I don't want the Giants to win another game, but I hate to see the big guy go out with more losses.
I don't think a handful of games will make a difference in his HOF status. Those voters who had their minds made up will stay that way, a game over or under .500 notwithstanding.
On the other hand, a win or two will probably cost the Giants Chase Young.
Dilemma.
This x2
I was literally gchatting with a buddy this morning about how, for the first time, despite all the bad seasons recently, this was the first year and the first time I was going to actively root for losses. I've obviously known it's better for us to lose, but never could bring myself to pull for it. This year was going to be an exception as I desperately want big organizational changes.
So much for that. I can't root against Eli in this spot. I just can't.
Sometimes it seems like there's no objectivity anywhere. Fortunately there's an infallible metric that tells us the actual truth. And in that metric, the Giants are 3-13, 5-11, and 2-10 the last three years...worst in the entire NFL.
Terps, certainly it does go both ways, you're right. I don't mind when fans question anything really, it's how they go about questioning for me. Discussion is good, ideas are good, expressing our views with unstoppable authority isn't part of a healthy discussion in my opinion. I find it hard for me to learn or enjoy conversation when there isn't any give in views.
Jones returns following weeks and plays well but we still lose, remain in the 2nd draft slot and still fire Shurmur.
Who's with me?
I'm in
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Excited to see Eli play again...
But sad that it's come to this...
Was rooting for 4 losses to end the year, but I simply can't root against Eli at this point.
Also this speaks to Eli's toughness. Jones couldn't make it beyond 10 straight games played...
You don't think that it may have soemthing to do with the fact that Eli just refused to get hit the last 3 or so years. What it should speak to is Daniel Jones gutted through a high ankle last week and more thank likely would probably go Monday if the season wasn't lost.
Moronic. First of all Eli did get hit a lot the last 3 years and it was somewhat amazing he did not get hurt. Yes he got rid of the ball in some cases to avoid the rush but playing behind that garbage of a line that would be expected. Listen this is not a debate about Eli anymore as his time has passed but anyone who questions his toughness has either been living in a cave or just plain ignorant. San Francisco NFC Championship game. The guy took a brutal beating and still won. Do you think Daniel Jones would have survived that game or not fumbled the ball several times?
JFC.
i was saying this to my friend after the half. it was obvious the ankle was bothering him and that he wasn't right and shouldn't be in there. probably contributed to those awful interceptions.
fuck shurmur.
I'd lol if he goes under .500 and it cane down to that and his HoF chances 🤣😂
But after that: Dolphins at home, Skins, and then home game against an Eagles team that I think is better than 50/50 to have been eliminated by Dallas the week before.
Been thinking all along that 2-11 could plausibly become 5-11.
But after that: Dolphins at home, Skins, and then home game against an Eagles team that I think is better than 50/50 to have been eliminated by Dallas the week before.
Been thinking all along that 2-11 could plausibly become 5-11.
LOL. Yes. The OL and DL are magically going to become even just average now. People don't pay attention.
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Not Monday night in Philly.
But after that: Dolphins at home, Skins, and then home game against an Eagles team that I think is better than 50/50 to have been eliminated by Dallas the week before.
Been thinking all along that 2-11 could plausibly become 5-11.
LOL. Yes. The OL and DL are magically going to become even just average now. People don't pay attention.
My worry here is the law of averages. I don't see the Giants finishing on a 12 game losing streak. They are going to get a win in these next 4 games.
I don't think it will happen on Monday Night, because Philly is a hell-hole.
But would anyone be shocked to see them beat the Dolphins, even in a boring shitfest, because you will have a team from South Florida playing in 40 degrees and rain (which is the way early forecast). I can see the Giants win that game like 14-10 or 17-14 or something.
Washington is playing better, but are they a lock to win at home? There will be about 5 people in the stands for that one.
And if the Eagles are eliminated before the final game, from what I've seen of this Eagles team this year, they are playing like a team that hates their QB. I could see that game like the Redskins in the final game of 2017 when the Giants won to get to 3-13.
I don't see Eli lighting up teams for 350 yards and multiple TDs. But I see Eli not making as many mistakes and playing it safer than Jones did. Playing 3 teams down the stretch who are all (* on the Eagles) playing out the string, and the law of averages tells me the Giants will win at least 1 of those games, and I wouldn't be stunned to see them win 2 of them either.
November 2016. Also the last time the Giants beat the Eagles.
Lead blocker Eli is back.
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Not Monday night in Philly.
But after that: Dolphins at home, Skins, and then home game against an Eagles team that I think is better than 50/50 to have been eliminated by Dallas the week before.
Been thinking all along that 2-11 could plausibly become 5-11.
LOL. Yes. The OL and DL are magically going to become even just average now. People don't pay attention.
My worry here is the law of averages. I don't see the Giants finishing on a 12 game losing streak. They are going to get a win in these next 4 games.
I don't think it will happen on Monday Night, because Philly is a hell-hole.
But would anyone be shocked to see them beat the Dolphins, even in a boring shitfest, because you will have a team from South Florida playing in 40 degrees and rain (which is the way early forecast). I can see the Giants win that game like 14-10 or 17-14 or something.
Washington is playing better, but are they a lock to win at home? There will be about 5 people in the stands for that one.
And if the Eagles are eliminated before the final game, from what I've seen of this Eagles team this year, they are playing like a team that hates their QB. I could see that game like the Redskins in the final game of 2017 when the Giants won to get to 3-13.
I don't see Eli lighting up teams for 350 yards and multiple TDs. But I see Eli not making as many mistakes and playing it safer than Jones did. Playing 3 teams down the stretch who are all (* on the Eagles) playing out the string, and the law of averages tells me the Giants will win at least 1 of those games, and I wouldn't be stunned to see them win 2 of them either.
I'm not as confident. Eli hasn't played a game in 3 months and the OL and DL have gotten worse every week. We shall see.
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That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point
Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet
This Junior guy is rediculous with his Eli hate. I bet he's like 10 yrs old and doesn't remember those Super Bowls.
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That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point
Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet
This Junior guy is rediculous with his Eli hate. I bet he's like 10 yrs old and doesn't remember those Super Bowls.
There are a ton of these "fans" ruining this site, they came over when we got OBJ. They are just awful, unknowledgeable posters/fans. I hate them with a passion, so I just don't post here anymore.
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That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point
Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet
This Junior guy is rediculous with his Eli hate. I bet he's like 10 yrs old and doesn't remember those Super Bowls.
My guess is that he's just a dick.
I know that football is a team sport, but if Jones doesn't play again this year and Eli finishes with a sub .500 career winning percentage, wouldn't that be at least partially of Eli's own doing?
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As he walked away I asked if he really missed us.
Eli: “Uh, no.”
Fans missed you, Eli. Go kill the Eagles
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As he walked away I asked if he really missed us.
Eli: “Uh, no.”
Fans missed you, Eli. Go kill the Eagles
+1000.
Get under center, adjust the alignment, run the ball to setup the play action pass. Eli should play to his strengths.
So sick of watching this coaching staff try to force square pegs into round holes.
I predict Barkley has his best game of season on sunday and Giants win the game
Get under center, adjust the alignment, run the ball to setup the play action pass. Eli should play to his strengths.
So sick of watching this coaching staff try to force square pegs into round holes.
Amen. Shurmur is near gone anyway regardless of what happens in these final games. Hope Eli flips Shurmur the bird with every successful play
Manning gracefully riding into the sunset as his career ended is a better scenario than the beating he's likely to take.
This will be good for him - to watch after he has had experience.
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An old 40 yrs old qb cold from not getting hit is going to torch the eagles or any NFL defense?
Dude is going to take a pounding after a long layoff. He is old and can't avoid a rush
We might lose out
We may try to run the ball with power. We don't know how much of the O Line issues have been with Jones and the communication with the Center.
So now Jones is the reason the oline sucks. Hahahahah
That is not what I said so don't be a douche.
The fact is, with Jones we run shotgun a ton and the RPO look. With Eli I don't think that will happen and a greater freedom to change plays at the line and the use of play action passing might be in order.
The O Line might benefit as may Barkley. Don't put words in my mouth.
I predict Barkley has his best game of season on sunday and Giants win the game
That was me, lets see if I am right.
My thought exactly after Baldy's Breakdown two weeks ago. The blitzes are thrown into his DJs face and he never did anything to audible out of them. He's gotta be handcuffed in some way.
Thank you...exactly.
What does he have to lose at this point?
2016 season
Just playing for the love of the game and being there for his teammates. It's fitting, really.
Excited to watch our HOF QB audible out of Shurmur's abysmal play calling all night. Saquon should reap the benefits and our coach, arrogantly taking credit.
Why this matters to so many people I have no idea.
I don't see the playbook being limited at all. If anything it will be expanded
Tate has a concussion.
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but Eli has not had the opportunity to play with Golden Tate. I would think that he, like Shepard, is the type of receiver that would really fit Eli.
Tate has a concussion.
Didn't they say Tate would be back? (On the upswing)
Lets upset dirty birds make something out of season
Tough son-of-a-bitch.
Yup.
Yes, or at least a strong chance he's back.
Get under center, adjust the alignment, run the ball to setup the play action pass. Eli should play to his strengths.
So sick of watching this coaching staff try to force square pegs into round holes.
I actually would love for him to play off-script and without abandon. What is Shurmur going to do - bench him? Shurmur won't have the option. If Mara is witness to an in-game benching of Manning, he may have security lead Shurmur away in a perp walk. Manning is a made man. He can do whatever he wants without fear of repercussions.
Flacco posted a passer rating of 92.1 or higher an amazing 9 times.Taking out his first 2 seasons, Joe has had a 92.1 passer rating or higher in 9 of 10 playoff games. That would be thanks to his touchdown-to-interception ratio of 24-4.
Flacco holds the record for most post-season road wins by a quarterback, with 7.
Joe Flacco is one of the best playoff quarterbacks in NFL history.
Mostly a media thing. Just another stat that pundits will use to say why Eli isn't a HOF/great QB.
Flacco posted a passer rating of 92.1 or higher an amazing 9 times.Taking out his first 2 seasons, Joe has had a 92.1 passer rating or higher in 9 of 10 playoff games. That would be thanks to his touchdown-to-interception ratio of 24-4.
Flacco holds the record for most post-season road wins by a quarterback, with 7.
Joe Flacco is one of the best playoff quarterbacks in NFL history.
Playoff success is only important when talking Eli. Flacco was just lucky to have a great defense, coach, oline receivers. Eli won 2 rings with no help
Playoff success is only important when talking Eli. Flacco was just lucky to have a great defense, coach, oline receivers. Eli won 2 rings with no help
Cmon, even Elway needed a running game and a defense before he could win the SB
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That means there is zero left to watch with this team. Let's hope 0 and 4 finish to get to 2 pick. Nothing from Eli is exciting at this point
Tons of check downs and throws at rb feet
This Junior guy is rediculous with his Eli hate. I bet he's like 10 yrs old and doesn't remember those Super Bowls.
There are a ton of these "fans" ruining this site, they came over when we got OBJ. They are just awful, unknowledgeable posters/fans. I hate them with a passion, so I just don't post here anymore.
They are all over FB also in the Giants groups on there. Just clueless fans who get their info from FF and Madden
Fucking over the Eagles is worth losing out on Chase Young.
Go NY, its the city where the monkey fell off the building!
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He’ll cement his HOF legacy and give a parting “fuck you” to ownership and the front office. And fuck over the Eagles in the process.
Fucking over the Eagles is worth losing out on Chase Young.
Go NY, its the city where the monkey fell off the building!
I feel you, but the only thing I don't get is the fuck you to ownership. They've made him and his family insanely wealthy. Over $200 million during his career? His kids, grandkids, great grandkids and so forth should never, ever want for anything material. Also, he knew it couldn't go on forever. Pretty sure Easy E bears no malice toward ownership. Coach, maybe. DG, probably. But not Mara and Tisch.
I think that’s a bit dramatic. A four game stint as a backup QB for a 2-10 team is going to determine a player’s HOF chances?
Manning is a lock for the HOF. Multiple SB MVP's in wins against the mighty Pats, including their previously undefeated team, 57,000 yards, 370 td's, he's in first ballot. This isn't baseball.
Could be that those linemen will play better for an old, defenseless Giants hero than they did for the new kid, Jones, who can (or could) run. Plus Eli did a lot of losing to the Eagles and would like to leave (if he must) after turning that around. Pride, you know. Hard to predict what will do or when it will show itself.
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Eli finishes his career sub .500
Why this matters to so many people I have no idea.
Me too, who gives a crap.
Whoot!!
I hope Eli destroys the Eagles Monday night.
Also a speedy recovery for DJ.
Why would he do that? And why would you think he would do that? Why would you even say something like that?
I'm sick of moronic statements. Eli deserved to sit. He should have sat last year. Eli is cooked and has been cooked for two years.
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Eli finishes his career sub .500
Why this matters to so many people I have no idea.
Me too, who gives a crap.
Only the morons on here that have developed a self concept problem over the last few years because of the losing. The idea that there is a difference between being several games over .500 versus several games under .500 relative to a assessing a QB’s15 year career is ludicrous.
Well it's not an outrageous thought. As a pure thrower of the football (physically, mentally, etc), I'm not so sure Lamar Jackson is all that great. Pretty good maybe, but he's getting RG3 2012 easy level throws on the regular, with perhaps an even more powerful running game. Kaepernick used to get those easy throws in late 2012 as well.
By the narrative people are using for Lamar right now, Kap and RG3 were top 5 QBs in 2012, for sure. RG3 had a great TD/INT ratio, offensive rookie of the year, managed to move the ball on a tough seattle defense in the playoffs. Kap actually carried the 49ers in the 2012 playoffs when they allowed 31 to Green Bay at home, 24 to the Falcons, and still put up 31 in a SB first losing effort (i.e. losing a SB scoring more than 30 points).
Maybe Lamar will develop into a good QB in the traditional sense, but that remains to be seen. It took Russell Wilson 8 seasons to finally carry the Seahawks the way the national narrative claimed he was doing from day 1.
For now Jackson's certainly explosive and effective.
But when Jones or Goff or Garoppolo have a game as ugly as last year's playoff game against the Chargers, I'll be holding my praise for Jackson tight to the vest.
But they do...
But yeah he's going to go out there throwing fire. Ok.
Bad news, but good point.
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Then basically does what he wants with the offense when he is out there.
Why would he do that? And why would you think he would do that? Why would you even say something like that?
I'm sick of moronic statements. Eli deserved to sit. He should have sat last year. Eli is cooked and has been
cooked for two years.
What is your issue? Where did I say Eli shouldn't have been replaced? You are creating your own agenda from what I said. I think Shurmur sucks, that is what I am talking about. So yes, I hope a veteran QB who has nothing really to lose tells him to take a hike. Thats all. I swear, some of you need to get a grip. I'm not one of you guys who has to like one player over the other. I like both Jones and Eli. I hate Shurmur. And don't ever call me a moron.
a dumpster fire so he gets the beloved Eagles team
desperate for a win with no weapons ..
It would be fitting that he beats them with a
come back drive . Ok I know i'm dreaming I just
wanted him to go out on a good note but
not gonna happen under UnShurmur
It won't happen though, Eli has a terrible career record against the lousy Eagles.
That and Shurmur is still doing the play calling, and he's the worst head coach in Giants history.
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It goes both ways. There was a poster a couple days ago trying to tell me Daniel Jones is a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson. And of course there's been the baseless optimism over the 2018 and 2019 draft classes.
Well it's not an outrageous thought. As a pure thrower of the football (physically, mentally, etc), I'm not so sure Lamar Jackson is all that great. Pretty good maybe, but he's getting RG3 2012 easy level throws on the regular, with perhaps an even more powerful running game. Kaepernick used to get those easy throws in late 2012 as well.
By the narrative people are using for Lamar right now, Kap and RG3 were top 5 QBs in 2012, for sure. RG3 had a great TD/INT ratio, offensive rookie of the year, managed to move the ball on a tough seattle defense in the playoffs. Kap actually carried the 49ers in the 2012 playoffs when they allowed 31 to Green Bay at home, 24 to the Falcons, and still put up 31 in a SB first losing effort (i.e. losing a SB scoring more than 30 points).
Maybe Lamar will develop into a good QB in the traditional sense, but that remains to be seen. It took Russell Wilson 8 seasons to finally carry the Seahawks the way the national narrative claimed he was doing from day 1.
For now Jackson's certainly explosive and effective.
But when Jones or Goff or Garoppolo have a game as ugly as last year's playoff game against the Chargers, I'll be holding my praise for Jackson tight to the vest.
I'm no expert but you seem overly concerned with "narratives".
It won't happen though, Eli has a terrible career record against the lousy Eagles.
That and Shurmur is still doing the play calling, and he's the worst head coach in Giants history.