1. Prior success with Gettleman
2. After 2 failed offensive coaches, should go defense
3. Possibility of Chase Young
4. Suggests Rivera would like to work with Jones
no complaints here. finally have an actual HC. shurmur and mcadoo are OCs. im good with a true head coach and im excited about the thought of getting back to DEFENSE being a priority
Let the OC lead the offense the rest of the way. It sends a message that losing is unacceptable and maybe allows Rivera to get to know the staff and players a bit.
This organization moves forward with Gettleman. Its time for a full examination of how things are run. I sure as hell dont want them hiring a coach because hes a good fit with Gettleman. I want them to hire the best fucking coach they can conceive of.
I think the first thing Mara and Tisch SHOULD do is find the best possible person to manage the football operation independently. Empower that person to handle everything else as they see fit, then step away. Go to the beach or something, take up golf, travel the world.
Tisch would be fine with this I assume. Sadly, Mara is a legacy kid who does not appear to have anything in his life besides running the Giants so hes unlikely to give up control. Hes Jerry Jones with better PR and a worse eye for talent.
If the Giants continue doing what seems logical to them
also made complete sense. They knew Gettleman well and Shurmur was a QB guru and we would be bringing in a young QB. Both moves were completely logical and predictable.
And so far both are turning out to be huge mistakes. But maybe if they continue doing the same thing over and over again, there is reason to expect a different outcome?
also made complete sense. They knew Gettleman well and Shurmur was a QB guru and we would be bringing in a young QB. Both moves were completely logical and predictable.
And so far both are turning out to be huge mistakes. But maybe if they continue doing the same thing over and over again, there is reason to expect a different outcome?
ANNND they got their next Franchise QB -so not all was lost.
all of the best candidates in good-faith before making a decision? It's not like Rivera is a top coach in this league who we have to jump on immediately.
Also, the connection to Gettleman is meaningless because after the past two seasons, he's a goner. We can't afford to let Gettleman run another draft or be in charge of our $60M in cap space. Another Solger/Ogeltree type of offseason and we're going to be in deep trouble even longer.
Rivera is worthy of an interview and if he can convince the new GM that he's the best for the job, then so be it, but if this is some sort of pre-ordained thing then it's the exact type of cronyism that's put us in this prolonged mess that we're in.
RE: RE: If the Giants continue doing what seems logical to them
You really should checkout until the Mara's die off or sell the team.
Well it seems fairly reasonable, doesn't it? The Giants have employed a certain organizational methodology that, in the current NFL, has resulted in a 10-34 record the last three seasons. If they don't change the methodology, why would the results improve?
I agree-- and I think the Giants have been so bad for so long that a lot of posters are just desperate to get back to being mediocre (which is exactly what Rivera has been and would be).
Just because McAdoo and Shurmur were most-known as coordinators and ended up being failures here doesn't mean we should jump at hiring any available experienced HC who shakes free.
RE: RE: RE: If the Giants continue doing what seems logical to them
You really should checkout until the Mara's die off or sell the team.
Well it seems fairly reasonable, doesn't it? The Giants have employed a certain organizational methodology that, in the current NFL, has resulted in a 10-34 record the last three seasons. If they don't change the methodology, why would the results improve?
What exactly is this methodology and how exactly does Rivera fit into this methodology?
Are there parallels between he and our last 2 coaches? I dont see one thing he has in common with either of them...
all of the best candidates in good-faith before making a decision? It's not like Rivera is a top coach in this league who we have to jump on immediately.
Also, the connection to Gettleman is meaningless because after the past two seasons, he's a goner. We can't afford to let Gettleman run another draft or be in charge of our $60M in cap space. Another Solger/Ogeltree type of offseason and we're going to be in deep trouble even longer.
Rivera is worthy of an interview and if he can convince the new GM that he's the best for the job, then so be it, but if this is some sort of pre-ordained thing then it's the exact type of cronyism that's put us in this prolonged mess that we're in.
I think both Shurmur and DG are examples of the "Peter Principle" where people are inevitably promoted one level above their level of competency. Shurmur is a fine coordinator and QB guru, not a good HC. DG is a fine scout and I don't think is bad at evaluating players in the draft, but I don't think he has a great feel for building a team based on a singular vision and coherent football philosophy.
I agree-- and I think the Giants have been so bad for so long that a lot of posters are just desperate to get back to being mediocre (which is exactly what Rivera has been and would be).
Just because McAdoo and Shurmur were most-known as coordinators and ended up being failures here doesn't mean we should jump at hiring any available experienced HC who shakes free.
Outside of Jim Harbaugh hes one of the best choices available if you want PROVEN winning experience as a NFL HC.
No issue here unless we could have had Harbaugh but passed on him.
The answer to that question is multi-layered, but I'll boil it down to this:
Ownership and the front office is either unable or unwilling to objectively self-assess the organization's strengths and weaknesses. When things go bad they find a fall guy (you can play hopscotch with portraits of the patsies: Gilbride to Coughlin to McAdoo to Reese to Beckham/Collins/Harrison to Eli to Bettcher to Shurmur and soon to Gettleman). The level of competence and blame in the patsies varies and not every decision was wrong, but removing them never solves the fundamental problem that the organizational structure is deeply flawed. So they move from patsy to patsy, but the team continues to lose.
If they just hire Rivera to work with Gettleman, nothing really changes.
I agree-- and I think the Giants have been so bad for so long that a lot of posters are just desperate to get back to being mediocre (which is exactly what Rivera has been and would be).
Just because McAdoo and Shurmur were most-known as coordinators and ended up being failures here doesn't mean we should jump at hiring any available experienced HC who shakes free.
Outside of Jim Harbaugh hes one of the best choices available if you want PROVEN winning experience as a NFL HC.
No issue here unless we could have had Harbaugh but passed on him.
for all of the rivera is mediocre and fans are desperate for that...who is your pick? let me guess, you want to revolutinize the way we think and take a young guy. and if that fails? then what? we KNOW what we get from rivera. its like taking a steady paycheck vs trying to launch a new business. if it fails, your family doesnt eat. give me the safe route EVERY time when you have a young QB that needs molding and a defense that is young and in need of a revamping. people here always want the sexy, spicy hire. the fact is, i just want a fucking coach who has his head on and knows how to manage a locker room and football team. that guy is rivera. MANY teams will be after him. are they all "backwards" or "poor" thinking too?
all the hostility from Gilbride and TC was telling.
When KG was let go, he was irritated that he'd gone to management years back warning the OL was deteriorating. He always believed pass pro + a run game "if you keep him upright" was key and Eli could take you all the way. (And no that is not true of all QBs.) He then got blamed after the OL clunked out and Eli faltered. "They've figured out his system." KG famously retorted they haven't figured it out in 30 years. It killed TC to have to let KG go.
Fast forward to TC - the ultimate man of principle - unable to even shake Mara's hand in public at his closing press conference. Not hard to imagine what that was all about. Then remember Mara saying "we gave Tom more say than any coach we've ever had".
These 2 lifelong football guys were being ignored as the Super Bowl team Accorsi built started eroding.
we can muster about Rivera is that we know what we're getting in him?
Prioritizing the avoidance of uncertainty grasping for familiarity / "known" entities is part of what plagues the decision-making.
We've been living the downside case for the better part of a decade. If anything, they shouldn't be scared by the unknown anymore and should be motivated to embrace new/different ideas to re-establish a mode of organizational operations that can support continued success and competitiveness.
Cowherd Suggests Rivera would like to work with Jones
time we made a pretty drastic change. We switched the entire coaching staff, changed defensive schemes entirely, spent a year cycling through personnel, and somehow ended up in a worse spot.
If we hire Rivera, it might not be the worst idea to retain Shula and some of the offensive position coaches (obviously HH still needs to go). They've worked with each other before and it would provide some level of consistency for the young QB.
we can muster about Rivera is that we know what we're getting in him?
Prioritizing the avoidance of uncertainty grasping for familiarity / "known" entities is part of what plagues the decision-making.
We've been living the downside case for the better part of a decade. If anything, they shouldn't be scared by the unknown anymore and should be motivated to embrace new/different ideas to re-establish a mode of organizational operations that can support continued success and competitiveness.
new "ideas" doesnt mean good ideas. rivera has won in this league. add more talent and let a good coach with GOOD assistants go to work. everyone here wants to make this some insane mystery. build the right team with good chemsitry and a good, steady, smart coach and watch it work. this, oh we have to think differently is just peoples answer because we have sucked for so long and it HAS to be the way we think. MAYBE its the shit talent pool we had under reese? maybe its eli declining? maybe its the OL that has sucked for almost ten years? maybe its the fact that we havent been able to stay healthy for 5+? maybe its the fact we have had bozos as head coaches the last 4 seasons? there are a ton of moving parts here. there is ZERO correlation with the move of hiring macdoo and rivera. we tried the "hot" coordinator route. that didnt work. now i say we go for a steady presence and someone who i dunno actually has won as a HC in this league? again....please present another candidate if you think you have a better plan.
to me....
my list is
BB
Payton
John harbaugh
a reid
those four arent happening but what do they all have in common? they arent some hot, young candidate. they are fucking dinosaurs. BUT THEY WIN!!! why? because they know what it takes and they know how to run a team. we need that kind of presence and rivera is about as close as you will get when you look at whats available.
- Carolina is bought by David Tepper, a hugely successful businessman universally respected for his intelligence
- Tepper observes the Panthers' organization operations over the course of a year and a half without making any changes
- Tepper fires Rivera and makes the following statement: "We are going to take a comprehensive and thorough review of our football operation to make sure we are structured for long-term sustained success. Our vision is to find the right mix of old-school discipline and toughness with modern and innovative processes."
And now the reaction of many to these events is to state that the Giants should hire Rivera, as he is a logical fit.
- Carolina is bought by David Tepper, a hugely successful businessman universally respected for his intelligence
- Tepper observes the Panthers' organization operations over the course of a year and a half without making any changes
- Tepper fires Rivera and makes the following statement: "We are going to take a comprehensive and thorough review of our football operation to make sure we are structured for long-term sustained success. Our vision is to find the right mix of old-school discipline and toughness with modern and innovative processes."
And now the reaction of many to these events is to state that the Giants should hire Rivera, as he is a logical fit.
Does anyone see the problem here? Anyone at all?
Let me ask you a question. Can you point to an example of a team that has drafted this perfect hybrid old school toughness and heavy analytical presence and present proof of sustainted success? Not flash in the pan season or two, but sustained success that's not the Patriots?
Serious question. Because it used to be Howie Roseman and the Eagles and the way they have been doing business. But that's not been proven to be sustained at this point. If anything, they could be regressing to the mean.
How do you know this isn't a flash in the pan?
old-school discipline and toughness with modern and innovative process
The Giants have integrated teaching and medical tech at the highest level within their facilities. As far as analytics and toughness that's a function of coaching. Make the right head coaching hire and 'the vision' will be in place.
So much total BS about the Giants 'archaic' methodology. It's just not true.
the teams that seem to be the perennial contenders now are the same teams that were perennial contenders before Iphones were even around and PFF was still kicking around in some fan's head in Europe.
all of the best candidates in good-faith before making a decision? It's not like Rivera is a top coach in this league who we have to jump on immediately.
Also, the connection to Gettleman is meaningless because after the past two seasons, he's a goner. We can't afford to let Gettleman run another draft or be in charge of our $60M in cap space. Another Solger/Ogeltree type of offseason and we're going to be in deep trouble even longer.
Rivera is worthy of an interview and if he can convince the new GM that he's the best for the job, then so be it, but if this is some sort of pre-ordained thing then it's the exact type of cronyism that's put us in this prolonged mess that we're in.
Take Rivera now, completely remove any chance of Garrett, Mccarthy, and Mike Smith.
About these new super teams that have has success for about 5 mins we should stop a take a look at the Pittsburgh Steelers who have had only 6 losing seasons in the last 46 years. What are they doing right? Shouldn't they be the model?
RE: RE: RE: If the Giants continue doing what seems logical to them
You really should checkout until the Mara's die off or sell the team.
Well it seems fairly reasonable, doesn't it? The Giants have employed a certain organizational methodology that, in the current NFL, has resulted in a 10-34 record the last three seasons. If they don't change the methodology, why would the results improve?
We're 10-34 in the last three years because of the atrocious drafting from 2012-2016
You guys act like we have so many underperforming young players. The cupboard was bare. We had no players in the org.
all of the best candidates in good-faith before making a decision? It's not like Rivera is a top coach in this league who we have to jump on immediately.
Also, the connection to Gettleman is meaningless because after the past two seasons, he's a goner. We can't afford to let Gettleman run another draft or be in charge of our $60M in cap space. Another Solger/Ogeltree type of offseason and we're going to be in deep trouble even longer.
Rivera is worthy of an interview and if he can convince the new GM that he's the best for the job, then so be it, but if this is some sort of pre-ordained thing then it's the exact type of cronyism that's put us in this prolonged mess that we're in.
Take Rivera now, completely remove any chance of Garrett, Mccarthy, and Mike Smith.
nobody is jumping on him. the fit is there, but i am sure the giants will interview several candidates. i think rivera is a great fit, but time will tell. the fact is...he is no shurmur or mcadoo and based on whats out there, we can do ALOT worse
About these new super teams that have has success for about 5 mins we should stop a take a look at the Pittsburgh Steelers who have had only 6 losing seasons in the last 46 years. What are they doing right? Shouldn't they be the model?
They have an identity. Big physical LB football and Pouncey stomping on someone's head.
Giants had an identity but throw it out the window for some whizz bang wco coordinators with blow up interview questions with analytics.
all of the best candidates in good-faith before making a decision? It's not like Rivera is a top coach in this league who we have to jump on immediately.
Also, the connection to Gettleman is meaningless because after the past two seasons, he's a goner. We can't afford to let Gettleman run another draft or be in charge of our $60M in cap space. Another Solger/Ogeltree type of offseason and we're going to be in deep trouble even longer.
Rivera is worthy of an interview and if he can convince the new GM that he's the best for the job, then so be it, but if this is some sort of pre-ordained thing then it's the exact type of cronyism that's put us in this prolonged mess that we're in.
Take Rivera now, completely remove any chance of Garrett, Mccarthy, and Mike Smith.
nobody is jumping on him. the fit is there, but i am sure the giants will interview several candidates. i think rivera is a great fit, but time will tell. the fact is...he is no shurmur or mcadoo and based on whats out there, we can do ALOT worse
I'll take him, a DC with some gravitas. I'm afraid there's some other wco weenie that might blow away Mara and Tisch in the interview room.
I am 99% sure Rivera is our next HC.
I think the first thing Mara and Tisch SHOULD do is find the best possible person to manage the football operation independently. Empower that person to handle everything else as they see fit, then step away. Go to the beach or something, take up golf, travel the world.
Tisch would be fine with this I assume. Sadly, Mara is a legacy kid who does not appear to have anything in his life besides running the Giants so hes unlikely to give up control. Hes Jerry Jones with better PR and a worse eye for talent.
You really should checkout until the Mara's die off or sell the team.
And so far both are turning out to be huge mistakes. But maybe if they continue doing the same thing over and over again, there is reason to expect a different outcome?
Who's on your wish list?
And so far both are turning out to be huge mistakes. But maybe if they continue doing the same thing over and over again, there is reason to expect a different outcome?
ANNND they got their next Franchise QB -so not all was lost.
Also, the connection to Gettleman is meaningless because after the past two seasons, he's a goner. We can't afford to let Gettleman run another draft or be in charge of our $60M in cap space. Another Solger/Ogeltree type of offseason and we're going to be in deep trouble even longer.
Rivera is worthy of an interview and if he can convince the new GM that he's the best for the job, then so be it, but if this is some sort of pre-ordained thing then it's the exact type of cronyism that's put us in this prolonged mess that we're in.
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They'll continue to lose.
You really should checkout until the Mara's die off or sell the team.
Well it seems fairly reasonable, doesn't it? The Giants have employed a certain organizational methodology that, in the current NFL, has resulted in a 10-34 record the last three seasons. If they don't change the methodology, why would the results improve?
Hahaha. I love JonC.
I agree-- and I think the Giants have been so bad for so long that a lot of posters are just desperate to get back to being mediocre (which is exactly what Rivera has been and would be).
Just because McAdoo and Shurmur were most-known as coordinators and ended up being failures here doesn't mean we should jump at hiring any available experienced HC who shakes free.
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They'll continue to lose.
You really should checkout until the Mara's die off or sell the team.
Well it seems fairly reasonable, doesn't it? The Giants have employed a certain organizational methodology that, in the current NFL, has resulted in a 10-34 record the last three seasons. If they don't change the methodology, why would the results improve?
What exactly is this methodology and how exactly does Rivera fit into this methodology?
Are there parallels between he and our last 2 coaches? I dont see one thing he has in common with either of them...
Also, the connection to Gettleman is meaningless because after the past two seasons, he's a goner. We can't afford to let Gettleman run another draft or be in charge of our $60M in cap space. Another Solger/Ogeltree type of offseason and we're going to be in deep trouble even longer.
Rivera is worthy of an interview and if he can convince the new GM that he's the best for the job, then so be it, but if this is some sort of pre-ordained thing then it's the exact type of cronyism that's put us in this prolonged mess that we're in.
I think both Shurmur and DG are examples of the "Peter Principle" where people are inevitably promoted one level above their level of competency. Shurmur is a fine coordinator and QB guru, not a good HC. DG is a fine scout and I don't think is bad at evaluating players in the draft, but I don't think he has a great feel for building a team based on a singular vision and coherent football philosophy.
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The type of hire I'd kill to avoid.
Hahaha. I love JonC.
I agree-- and I think the Giants have been so bad for so long that a lot of posters are just desperate to get back to being mediocre (which is exactly what Rivera has been and would be).
Just because McAdoo and Shurmur were most-known as coordinators and ended up being failures here doesn't mean we should jump at hiring any available experienced HC who shakes free.
Outside of Jim Harbaugh hes one of the best choices available if you want PROVEN winning experience as a NFL HC.
No issue here unless we could have had Harbaugh but passed on him.
Ownership and the front office is either unable or unwilling to objectively self-assess the organization's strengths and weaknesses. When things go bad they find a fall guy (you can play hopscotch with portraits of the patsies: Gilbride to Coughlin to McAdoo to Reese to Beckham/Collins/Harrison to Eli to Bettcher to Shurmur and soon to Gettleman). The level of competence and blame in the patsies varies and not every decision was wrong, but removing them never solves the fundamental problem that the organizational structure is deeply flawed. So they move from patsy to patsy, but the team continues to lose.
If they just hire Rivera to work with Gettleman, nothing really changes.
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The type of hire I'd kill to avoid.
Hahaha. I love JonC.
I agree-- and I think the Giants have been so bad for so long that a lot of posters are just desperate to get back to being mediocre (which is exactly what Rivera has been and would be).
Just because McAdoo and Shurmur were most-known as coordinators and ended up being failures here doesn't mean we should jump at hiring any available experienced HC who shakes free.
Outside of Jim Harbaugh hes one of the best choices available if you want PROVEN winning experience as a NFL HC.
No issue here unless we could have had Harbaugh but passed on him.
for all of the rivera is mediocre and fans are desperate for that...who is your pick? let me guess, you want to revolutinize the way we think and take a young guy. and if that fails? then what? we KNOW what we get from rivera. its like taking a steady paycheck vs trying to launch a new business. if it fails, your family doesnt eat. give me the safe route EVERY time when you have a young QB that needs molding and a defense that is young and in need of a revamping. people here always want the sexy, spicy hire. the fact is, i just want a fucking coach who has his head on and knows how to manage a locker room and football team. that guy is rivera. MANY teams will be after him. are they all "backwards" or "poor" thinking too?
When KG was let go, he was irritated that he'd gone to management years back warning the OL was deteriorating. He always believed pass pro + a run game "if you keep him upright" was key and Eli could take you all the way. (And no that is not true of all QBs.) He then got blamed after the OL clunked out and Eli faltered. "They've figured out his system." KG famously retorted they haven't figured it out in 30 years. It killed TC to have to let KG go.
Fast forward to TC - the ultimate man of principle - unable to even shake Mara's hand in public at his closing press conference. Not hard to imagine what that was all about. Then remember Mara saying "we gave Tom more say than any coach we've ever had".
These 2 lifelong football guys were being ignored as the Super Bowl team Accorsi built started eroding.
Prioritizing the avoidance of uncertainty grasping for familiarity / "known" entities is part of what plagues the decision-making.
We've been living the downside case for the better part of a decade. If anything, they shouldn't be scared by the unknown anymore and should be motivated to embrace new/different ideas to re-establish a mode of organizational operations that can support continued success and competitiveness.
If we hire Rivera, it might not be the worst idea to retain Shula and some of the offensive position coaches (obviously HH still needs to go). They've worked with each other before and it would provide some level of consistency for the young QB.
Prioritizing the avoidance of uncertainty grasping for familiarity / "known" entities is part of what plagues the decision-making.
We've been living the downside case for the better part of a decade. If anything, they shouldn't be scared by the unknown anymore and should be motivated to embrace new/different ideas to re-establish a mode of organizational operations that can support continued success and competitiveness.
new "ideas" doesnt mean good ideas. rivera has won in this league. add more talent and let a good coach with GOOD assistants go to work. everyone here wants to make this some insane mystery. build the right team with good chemsitry and a good, steady, smart coach and watch it work. this, oh we have to think differently is just peoples answer because we have sucked for so long and it HAS to be the way we think. MAYBE its the shit talent pool we had under reese? maybe its eli declining? maybe its the OL that has sucked for almost ten years? maybe its the fact that we havent been able to stay healthy for 5+? maybe its the fact we have had bozos as head coaches the last 4 seasons? there are a ton of moving parts here. there is ZERO correlation with the move of hiring macdoo and rivera. we tried the "hot" coordinator route. that didnt work. now i say we go for a steady presence and someone who i dunno actually has won as a HC in this league? again....please present another candidate if you think you have a better plan.
to me....
my list is
BB
Payton
John harbaugh
a reid
those four arent happening but what do they all have in common? they arent some hot, young candidate. they are fucking dinosaurs. BUT THEY WIN!!! why? because they know what it takes and they know how to run a team. we need that kind of presence and rivera is about as close as you will get when you look at whats available.
No, it's the perfect fit based on connections to the "Giants Way". Alas, that has become the key feature to screening candidates.
I'll take Rivera under one condition - he also wears the GM hat.
BTW, look at Resume's drafts for Rivera. They are very underwhelming.
- Tepper observes the Panthers' organization operations over the course of a year and a half without making any changes
- Tepper fires Rivera and makes the following statement: "We are going to take a comprehensive and thorough review of our football operation to make sure we are structured for long-term sustained success. Our vision is to find the right mix of old-school discipline and toughness with modern and innovative processes."
And now the reaction of many to these events is to state that the Giants should hire Rivera, as he is a logical fit.
Does anyone see the problem here? Anyone at all?
should we be more like the bengals? how about the bills?
WHO DO YOU (bw and terps) want us to replicate?
I havent heard EITHER of you give a GM/coach combo that you want...why? because you both will bitch regardless. its what you both do.
- Tepper observes the Panthers' organization operations over the course of a year and a half without making any changes
- Tepper fires Rivera and makes the following statement: "We are going to take a comprehensive and thorough review of our football operation to make sure we are structured for long-term sustained success. Our vision is to find the right mix of old-school discipline and toughness with modern and innovative processes."
And now the reaction of many to these events is to state that the Giants should hire Rivera, as he is a logical fit.
Does anyone see the problem here? Anyone at all?
Let me ask you a question. Can you point to an example of a team that has drafted this perfect hybrid old school toughness and heavy analytical presence and present proof of sustainted success? Not flash in the pan season or two, but sustained success that's not the Patriots?
Serious question. Because it used to be Howie Roseman and the Eagles and the way they have been doing business. But that's not been proven to be sustained at this point. If anything, they could be regressing to the mean.
How do you know this isn't a flash in the pan?
So much total BS about the Giants 'archaic' methodology. It's just not true.
I'm with you here. That is the ticket. Break down these old, stodgy ways of doing business in the NFL and have the coach shop for his own groceries.
The GM has become superfluous. The college game doesn't have a GM - like the AD - recruiting players for the HC...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV9oBQ6sJSI - ( New Window )
Also, the connection to Gettleman is meaningless because after the past two seasons, he's a goner. We can't afford to let Gettleman run another draft or be in charge of our $60M in cap space. Another Solger/Ogeltree type of offseason and we're going to be in deep trouble even longer.
Rivera is worthy of an interview and if he can convince the new GM that he's the best for the job, then so be it, but if this is some sort of pre-ordained thing then it's the exact type of cronyism that's put us in this prolonged mess that we're in.
Take Rivera now, completely remove any chance of Garrett, Mccarthy, and Mike Smith.
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They'll continue to lose.
You really should checkout until the Mara's die off or sell the team.
Well it seems fairly reasonable, doesn't it? The Giants have employed a certain organizational methodology that, in the current NFL, has resulted in a 10-34 record the last three seasons. If they don't change the methodology, why would the results improve?
We're 10-34 in the last three years because of the atrocious drafting from 2012-2016
You guys act like we have so many underperforming young players. The cupboard was bare. We had no players in the org.
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all of the best candidates in good-faith before making a decision? It's not like Rivera is a top coach in this league who we have to jump on immediately.
Also, the connection to Gettleman is meaningless because after the past two seasons, he's a goner. We can't afford to let Gettleman run another draft or be in charge of our $60M in cap space. Another Solger/Ogeltree type of offseason and we're going to be in deep trouble even longer.
Rivera is worthy of an interview and if he can convince the new GM that he's the best for the job, then so be it, but if this is some sort of pre-ordained thing then it's the exact type of cronyism that's put us in this prolonged mess that we're in.
Take Rivera now, completely remove any chance of Garrett, Mccarthy, and Mike Smith.
nobody is jumping on him. the fit is there, but i am sure the giants will interview several candidates. i think rivera is a great fit, but time will tell. the fact is...he is no shurmur or mcadoo and based on whats out there, we can do ALOT worse
They have an identity. Big physical LB football and Pouncey stomping on someone's head.
Giants had an identity but throw it out the window for some whizz bang wco coordinators with blow up interview questions with analytics.
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all of the best candidates in good-faith before making a decision? It's not like Rivera is a top coach in this league who we have to jump on immediately.
Also, the connection to Gettleman is meaningless because after the past two seasons, he's a goner. We can't afford to let Gettleman run another draft or be in charge of our $60M in cap space. Another Solger/Ogeltree type of offseason and we're going to be in deep trouble even longer.
Rivera is worthy of an interview and if he can convince the new GM that he's the best for the job, then so be it, but if this is some sort of pre-ordained thing then it's the exact type of cronyism that's put us in this prolonged mess that we're in.
Take Rivera now, completely remove any chance of Garrett, Mccarthy, and Mike Smith.
nobody is jumping on him. the fit is there, but i am sure the giants will interview several candidates. i think rivera is a great fit, but time will tell. the fact is...he is no shurmur or mcadoo and based on whats out there, we can do ALOT worse
I'll take him, a DC with some gravitas. I'm afraid there's some other wco weenie that might blow away Mara and Tisch in the interview room.