Ben Berkon
@BenBerkon
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Seems like Mets aimed very low. Marisnick is essentially a defensive-replacement. He doesn't hit well against RHP/LHP. I would have preferred Dyson (assuming Marte wasn't happening...).
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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27s
Blake Taylor and Kenedy Corona are the prospects that go to Houston for Marisnick. Don't know anything about Corona but put up nice numbers this season.
just kept Lagares than giving up prospects for this guy. Not a fan.
He is cheaper than Lagares and offers greater upside. I think it will depend what prospects we gave up. Perhaps Carlos Beltran thinks highly of him or the source that informed us that J.D. Davis was being undervalued felt the same about Marisnick.
just kept Lagares than giving up prospects for this guy. Not a fan.
He is cheaper than Lagares and offers greater upside. I think it will depend what prospects we gave up. Perhaps Carlos Beltran thinks highly of him or the source that informed us that J.D. Davis was being undervalued felt the same about Marisnick.
C'mon Mike. Marisnick has played 685 MLB games and will be 29 opening day, how is that comporable to JD Davis? He is what he is.
just kept Lagares than giving up prospects for this guy. Not a fan.
He is cheaper than Lagares and offers greater upside. I think it will depend what prospects we gave up. Perhaps Carlos Beltran thinks highly of him or the source that informed us that J.D. Davis was being undervalued felt the same about Marisnick.
C'mon Mike. Marisnick has played 685 MLB games and will be 29 opening day, how is that comporable to JD Davis? He is what he is.
I would rather have Marisnick than Lagares considering the price. Blake Taylor showed improvement numberswise after moving to the bullpen, but with guys like Ryan, Villines, Gilliam, etc. in the system did we really need yet another relief pitcher? Know absolutely nothing about Corona.
about it. The Mets got Taylor in the Ike Davis trade and he probably would have been a waste for half the year clogging up a 40-man spot until/if he was called up.
not a fan, but not going to be pissed off about it either.
Obviously defensive replacement is the main gain but if Mets play him more regularly it will be the first time in his career he would be able to be fully evaluated.
the reality is it would have been difficult or expensive to upgrade what they have in Nimmo in CF. There were only a handful of defensive upgrades and offensively at best you get someone similar. The only guys who could conceivably do both together are Marte and Cain - who were expensive in different ways. We didn't give up anything of value so this is just a whatever move for depth since Nimmo does get hurt a lot.
Add some pitchers and a catcher with some real upside and then we can start talking about whether or not this roster/team is improved vs. last year. Either Toronto catcher would still make a lot of sense. Keuchel, Porcello, or even Gio would make sense to replace Wheeler or god forbid add extra depth. Signing Treinan, Betances, and Brach would surely go a long way to feeling better about the BP.
Which is why they should have signed someone better. Duh. This guy may end up starting 80 games. Or being forced to play a subpar defender there that can hit like last season.
It's not the be all end all but they should have spent more and got a better player.
will be an fine addition to fill in the last spot or two in the roster and can spell Nimmo and play CF late in certain games, but I just don't like the mentality where we always keep dealing minor leaguers.
will be an fine addition to fill in the last spot or two in the roster and can spell Nimmo and play CF late in certain games, but I just don't like the mentality where we always keep dealing minor leaguers.
At roughly 3 million he's going to have a bigger role than 24th or 25th man. I expect him to see at least 300-400 PA's and see a lot of PT.
there's a difference between depth prospects and non-prospects Â
to be clear im not sure which category any of the 5 belong in, but dealing non-prospects is insignificant.
Ironically most of these guys we dealt for CF'ers the past couple years seem more like non-prospects than that young IFA they dealt for Wilmer fucking Font.
RE: there's a difference between depth prospects and non-prospects Â
to be clear im not sure which category any of the 5 belong in, but dealing non-prospects is insignificant.
Ironically most of these guys we dealt for CF'ers the past couple years seem more like non-prospects than that young IFA they dealt for Wilmer fucking Font.
Adam Hill just brought back a legit MLB catcher in Narvaez so I don't think it's fair to suggest the Mets only dealt insignificant pieces in these deals. Taylor is close to the bigs and impressed out of the pen this year.
I think his ceiling for AB's is the 285 Lagares put up last year Â
and that was in a year where Nimmo missed 1/2 of the season. Hard to envision this guy getting more time than that unless Nimmo misses even more time next year.
RE: I think his ceiling for AB's is the 285 Lagares put up last year Â
and that was in a year where Nimmo missed 1/2 of the season. Hard to envision this guy getting more time than that unless Nimmo misses even more time next year.
318 PA's with a contender last year. Expect at least that with injury prone Nimmo and maybe even Cespedes.
RE: RE: there's a difference between depth prospects and non-prospects Â
to be clear im not sure which category any of the 5 belong in, but dealing non-prospects is insignificant.
Ironically most of these guys we dealt for CF'ers the past couple years seem more like non-prospects than that young IFA they dealt for Wilmer fucking Font.
Adam Hill just brought back a legit MLB catcher in Narvaez so I don't think it's fair to suggest the Mets only dealt insignificant pieces in these deals. Taylor is close to the bigs and impressed out of the pen this year.
Which is why I specifically said "I'm not sure which category any of the 5 belong in". Wouldn't that pretty much be the opposite of suggesting they only dealt non-prospects? Just pointing out at least a few of the 5 were likely non-prospects.
think Brodie has been too willing to give up guys like Hill who may not big prospects but do hold some value. These types are overlooked if all you focus on is top names or top 30 lists. Of course some of these guys are total NP's but they have sent away significant depth in the last 12ish months.
and that was in a year where Nimmo missed 1/2 of the season. Hard to envision this guy getting more time than that unless Nimmo misses even more time next year.
318 PA's with a contender last year. Expect at least that with injury prone Nimmo and maybe even Cespedes.
What he did in Houston is less relevant than the opportunity and situation here. They were a contender for sure, but they had 2 above replacement OF'ers (Springer, Brantley). We've potentially got 3 or 4 depending on where JDD/McNeil play. Cespedes could be another but he played 0 games last year and I don't expect that number to rise much this year. The Lagares role of last year, when the main CF was injured half of the year would seem to be a reasonable ceiling unless Nimmo misses even more time.
There's no question BVW has purged too much of the farm Â
but the bulk of that pain is the Stroman deal and the Cano deal. Those were both unmitigated disasters born purely out of Wilpon cheapness. Those 2 deals represent 4 of our top 10 prospects being dealt off - including our top position player and 2 top pitching prospects.
I'm a lot less worried about the 3 guys in JDD trade and the 5 guys from the CF trades.
In total those deals account for 13 prospects, Font got traded for 1 so that's 14. Can't recall the other 3 off the top of my head though. We traded Wahl somewhere.
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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21m
Marisnick as a spare outfielder to play against a tough lefty and come in late to run and play defense is very useful. If he starts more than twice a week, it’s a problem, and I don’t think the Mets coughed up two prospects and an actual MLB salary to use him like Houston did
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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21m
Marisnick as a spare outfielder to play against a tough lefty and come in late to run and play defense is very useful. If he starts more than twice a week, it’s a problem, and I don’t think the Mets coughed up two prospects and an actual MLB salary to use him like Houston did
That sounds like the exact role he'd be filling here.
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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21m
Marisnick as a spare outfielder to play against a tough lefty and come in late to run and play defense is very useful. If he starts more than twice a week, it’s a problem, and I don’t think the Mets coughed up two prospects and an actual MLB salary to use him like Houston did
That sounds like the exact role he'd be filling here.
1. Seidler doesn't agree given the "cost" 2. He had 318 PA's in Houston, I suggested 300-400 PA's, where is the disagreement?
my disagreement is with Seidler that the Mets have some bigger role Â
I see no evidence that just because they paid him $3m and gave up a similar return to what they did for Broxton last year that means he's got some major increase in role coming. They paid $3m to TDA last year to be a backup and they DFA'd him. They barely played and then DFA'd Broxton, despite possibly giving up more than they did here since Hill had been a more recent draft pick.
I trust Seidler's evaluation that this guy can be a contributor starting rarely against lefties and as a late game base runner/defender. Since that's exactly what the Mets need to compliment Nimmo I don't think it's such a leap to think they are getting him for a similar role to the one he filled in Houston.
New York Mets
@Mets
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25m
We’ve signed OF Jarrett Parker and INF Max Moroff (@max_moroff
) to minor league deals with invites to major league #SpringTraining. They join Chasen Shreve who signed a minor league contract with an invite to major league Spring Training in November. #Mets
according to Seidler, in the right role he is "very useful" Â
My first comment about this move is that he is literally a cheaper Lagares or Broxton 2.0 so I'm not exactly hyping it up. It seems like a perfectly fine back of the roster move though (not LOLmets).
Apparently Cohen will not be purchasing stake in SNY Â
Which is problematic because Mets sold their rights to SNY below market to avoid revenue sharing and likely to enable Wilpons to be able to provide more funds to other business’s. I really hope there is a quickly approaching term date because the Mets get probably half of what they could if they sold rights on open market.
Which is problematic because Mets sold their rights to SNY below market to avoid revenue sharing and likely to enable Wilpons to be able to provide more funds to other business’s. I really hope there is a quickly approaching term date because the Mets get probably half of what they could if they sold rights on open market.
Pretty sure I read somewhere yesterday that he deal with SNY goes "into the 2030s".
How about Mookie Betts, J.T. Realmuto and a retained Marcus Stroman wearing Mets uniforms on Opening Day of 2021?
Dare to dream, Mets fans.
Now, “dare” implies risk. Yet this dream holds a substantive chance of coming true.
Only Steve Cohen can say with certainty how quickly and aggressively he’ll infuse his riches into the mom-and-pop store that is the Mets, and the real-life inspiration for “Billions” hedge-fund maverick Bobby Axelrod comes off as far less loquacious than his fictional counterpart. Nevertheless, conversations with folks who know Cohen, the Mets or both lead one to believe Cohen will make his imprint on this franchise, as one experienced baseball executive put it, “sooner than later.”
Probably not soon enough to get, say, Gerrit Cole or Anthony Rendon. The agreement for Cohen to take over the Mets from the Wilpons and Saul Katz by 2025 hasn’t been completed yet, as the two sides announced Wednesday — remember the Mets spent many months in 2011 negotiating with another hedge-fund star, David Einhorn, before the arrangement fell apart short of the finish line — and you might have noticed the Hot Stove campaign has moved at a brisker pace than recent predecessors.
Einhorn almost completely took the Wilpons for a ride - he'd be total Â
owner right now probably because I'm pretty sure he knew the wilpons were so cash poor the poison pills he wanted would have gotten him total control. Jeff Wilpon realized and blew that deal up and yet he's in the exact same position anyway. I knew someone who worked directly with the Wilpons at that time and supposedly Jeff went ballistic and that whole thing about throwing him out of the owner's sweet when he realized during a game was true and if anything understated.
Regardless I would agree the sky is the limit next year and it does almost make it a better play to not go for broke right now before they have more time to adjust their strategy from the Wilponzis. If Rendon is sitting there in January you'd have to consider jumping in if it's feasible, but I doubt that's the case.
Extending Thor + Stroman (if he's pitching well) should be job #1 by the all star break.
Also extending Alonso/Mcneil while they have leverage just like Atlanta did with Acuna/Albies should be #2. Especially since both those guys are already older.
Rosario/Nimmo/Conforto we probably need to see a little more before extending. They may be better trade bait. They seem like the types of young players who you'd be able to flip as part of a package for Lindor/Betts types very close to FA. Realmuto next offseason could be a perfect fit too, gotta think the Phillies will run out of room for 100m+ players eventually.
Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
Free-agent RHP Brad Brach signs with #Mets, one year, $850K with a player option for $1.25M in 2021, sources tell The Athletic. Brach still owed $500K by #Cubs for 2020, so actually will earn total of $1.35M next season.
unless it's absolutely apparent I wouldn't even care about who gets named closer. I'd tell all of them they will have a chance to pitch to their strengths and get opportunities. Including Familia.
Getting buy in on that may be tricky and it may end up making more sense to get a guy like McHugh who is a little more role diverse. But I'd be willing to overpay on 1 year deals to try to make it happen (as opposed to making their contracts incentive based).
@BenBerkon
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1m
Seems like Mets aimed very low. Marisnick is essentially a defensive-replacement. He doesn't hit well against RHP/LHP. I would have preferred Dyson (assuming Marte wasn't happening...).
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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27s
Blake Taylor and Kenedy Corona are the prospects that go to Houston for Marisnick. Don't know anything about Corona but put up nice numbers this season.
Not a fan of this move
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if that's all it is then who cares.
He is cheaper than Lagares and offers greater upside. I think it will depend what prospects we gave up. Perhaps Carlos Beltran thinks highly of him or the source that informed us that J.D. Davis was being undervalued felt the same about Marisnick.
BVW and the Wilpons can't go soon enough. This is the type of crap an amateur sitting in the GM's chair with Jeff Wilponsi in his ear makes.
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just kept Lagares than giving up prospects for this guy. Not a fan.
He is cheaper than Lagares and offers greater upside. I think it will depend what prospects we gave up. Perhaps Carlos Beltran thinks highly of him or the source that informed us that J.D. Davis was being undervalued felt the same about Marisnick.
C'mon Mike. Marisnick has played 685 MLB games and will be 29 opening day, how is that comporable to JD Davis? He is what he is.
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just kept Lagares than giving up prospects for this guy. Not a fan.
He is cheaper than Lagares and offers greater upside. I think it will depend what prospects we gave up. Perhaps Carlos Beltran thinks highly of him or the source that informed us that J.D. Davis was being undervalued felt the same about Marisnick.
C'mon Mike. Marisnick has played 685 MLB games and will be 29 opening day, how is that comporable to JD Davis? He is what he is.
I would rather have Marisnick than Lagares considering the price. Blake Taylor showed improvement numberswise after moving to the bullpen, but with guys like Ryan, Villines, Gilliam, etc. in the system did we really need yet another relief pitcher? Know absolutely nothing about Corona.
not a fan, but not going to be pissed off about it either.
It didn't take long to establish that Steve Cohen's bankroll isn't in play yet did it? LOL.
Obviously defensive replacement is the main gain but if Mets play him more regularly it will be the first time in his career he would be able to be fully evaluated.
Not sure there was anyone available with the same metrics defensively, dont like Margot and Pillar/Hamilton are hurt often.
Add some pitchers and a catcher with some real upside and then we can start talking about whether or not this roster/team is improved vs. last year. Either Toronto catcher would still make a lot of sense. Keuchel, Porcello, or even Gio would make sense to replace Wheeler or god forbid add extra depth. Signing Treinan, Betances, and Brach would surely go a long way to feeling better about the BP.
It's not the be all end all but they should have spent more and got a better player.
At roughly 3 million he's going to have a bigger role than 24th or 25th man. I expect him to see at least 300-400 PA's and see a lot of PT.
Ironically most of these guys we dealt for CF'ers the past couple years seem more like non-prospects than that young IFA they dealt for Wilmer fucking Font.
Ironically most of these guys we dealt for CF'ers the past couple years seem more like non-prospects than that young IFA they dealt for Wilmer fucking Font.
Adam Hill just brought back a legit MLB catcher in Narvaez so I don't think it's fair to suggest the Mets only dealt insignificant pieces in these deals. Taylor is close to the bigs and impressed out of the pen this year.
318 PA's with a contender last year. Expect at least that with injury prone Nimmo and maybe even Cespedes.
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to be clear im not sure which category any of the 5 belong in, but dealing non-prospects is insignificant.
Ironically most of these guys we dealt for CF'ers the past couple years seem more like non-prospects than that young IFA they dealt for Wilmer fucking Font.
Adam Hill just brought back a legit MLB catcher in Narvaez so I don't think it's fair to suggest the Mets only dealt insignificant pieces in these deals. Taylor is close to the bigs and impressed out of the pen this year.
Which is why I specifically said "I'm not sure which category any of the 5 belong in". Wouldn't that pretty much be the opposite of suggesting they only dealt non-prospects? Just pointing out at least a few of the 5 were likely non-prospects.
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and that was in a year where Nimmo missed 1/2 of the season. Hard to envision this guy getting more time than that unless Nimmo misses even more time next year.
318 PA's with a contender last year. Expect at least that with injury prone Nimmo and maybe even Cespedes.
What he did in Houston is less relevant than the opportunity and situation here. They were a contender for sure, but they had 2 above replacement OF'ers (Springer, Brantley). We've potentially got 3 or 4 depending on where JDD/McNeil play. Cespedes could be another but he played 0 games last year and I don't expect that number to rise much this year. The Lagares role of last year, when the main CF was injured half of the year would seem to be a reasonable ceiling unless Nimmo misses even more time.
I'm a lot less worried about the 3 guys in JDD trade and the 5 guys from the CF trades.
In total those deals account for 13 prospects, Font got traded for 1 so that's 14. Can't recall the other 3 off the top of my head though. We traded Wahl somewhere.
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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21m
Marisnick as a spare outfielder to play against a tough lefty and come in late to run and play defense is very useful. If he starts more than twice a week, it’s a problem, and I don’t think the Mets coughed up two prospects and an actual MLB salary to use him like Houston did
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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21m
Marisnick as a spare outfielder to play against a tough lefty and come in late to run and play defense is very useful. If he starts more than twice a week, it’s a problem, and I don’t think the Mets coughed up two prospects and an actual MLB salary to use him like Houston did
That sounds like the exact role he'd be filling here.
maybe in 5 years things will be different...
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Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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21m
Marisnick as a spare outfielder to play against a tough lefty and come in late to run and play defense is very useful. If he starts more than twice a week, it’s a problem, and I don’t think the Mets coughed up two prospects and an actual MLB salary to use him like Houston did
That sounds like the exact role he'd be filling here.
1. Seidler doesn't agree given the "cost" 2. He had 318 PA's in Houston, I suggested 300-400 PA's, where is the disagreement?
I trust Seidler's evaluation that this guy can be a contributor starting rarely against lefties and as a late game base runner/defender. Since that's exactly what the Mets need to compliment Nimmo I don't think it's such a leap to think they are getting him for a similar role to the one he filled in Houston.
David Adler
@_dadler
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4h
The Mets trading for Jake Marisnick is like the Mets trading for a Little Better Keon Broxton
@Mets
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25m
We’ve signed OF Jarrett Parker and INF Max Moroff (@max_moroff
) to minor league deals with invites to major league #SpringTraining. They join Chasen Shreve who signed a minor league contract with an invite to major league Spring Training in November. #Mets
My first comment about this move is that he is literally a cheaper Lagares or Broxton 2.0 so I'm not exactly hyping it up. It seems like a perfectly fine back of the roster move though (not LOLmets).
Pretty sure I read somewhere yesterday that he deal with SNY goes "into the 2030s".
Dare to dream, Mets fans.
Now, “dare” implies risk. Yet this dream holds a substantive chance of coming true.
Only Steve Cohen can say with certainty how quickly and aggressively he’ll infuse his riches into the mom-and-pop store that is the Mets, and the real-life inspiration for “Billions” hedge-fund maverick Bobby Axelrod comes off as far less loquacious than his fictional counterpart. Nevertheless, conversations with folks who know Cohen, the Mets or both lead one to believe Cohen will make his imprint on this franchise, as one experienced baseball executive put it, “sooner than later.”
Probably not soon enough to get, say, Gerrit Cole or Anthony Rendon. The agreement for Cohen to take over the Mets from the Wilpons and Saul Katz by 2025 hasn’t been completed yet, as the two sides announced Wednesday — remember the Mets spent many months in 2011 negotiating with another hedge-fund star, David Einhorn, before the arrangement fell apart short of the finish line — and you might have noticed the Hot Stove campaign has moved at a brisker pace than recent predecessors.
Regardless I would agree the sky is the limit next year and it does almost make it a better play to not go for broke right now before they have more time to adjust their strategy from the Wilponzis. If Rendon is sitting there in January you'd have to consider jumping in if it's feasible, but I doubt that's the case.
Extending Thor + Stroman (if he's pitching well) should be job #1 by the all star break.
Also extending Alonso/Mcneil while they have leverage just like Atlanta did with Acuna/Albies should be #2. Especially since both those guys are already older.
Rosario/Nimmo/Conforto we probably need to see a little more before extending. They may be better trade bait. They seem like the types of young players who you'd be able to flip as part of a package for Lindor/Betts types very close to FA. Realmuto next offseason could be a perfect fit too, gotta think the Phillies will run out of room for 100m+ players eventually.
So Omar is like a cat with 9 lives. He's going to survive again. He's becoming the Herb Williams of the Mets.
Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
Free-agent RHP Brad Brach signs with #Mets, one year, $850K with a player option for $1.25M in 2021, sources tell The Athletic. Brach still owed $500K by #Cubs for 2020, so actually will earn total of $1.35M next season.
Gimme Betances, McHugh and someone like Gausman or Smith
Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
The #Phillies, luxury tax be damned, are going all in, and plan to pursue free-agent 3B Anthony Rendon.
Getting buy in on that may be tricky and it may end up making more sense to get a guy like McHugh who is a little more role diverse. But I'd be willing to overpay on 1 year deals to try to make it happen (as opposed to making their contracts incentive based).
Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
The #Phillies, luxury tax be damned, are going all in, and plan to pursue free-agent 3B Anthony Rendon.
must be nice.