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Burt64 : 12/4/2019 3:28 pm
to Steve Cohen
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Is he 17 or 19?  
figgy2989 : 12/5/2019 10:27 am : link
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Resnick  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2019 10:31 am : link
has him as 19


Jacob Resnick
@Jacob_Resnick

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@BaseballAmerica
reports a #Mets international signing that went under the radar: 6-foot-4, 19-year-old Venezuelan RHP Robert Dominguez, who has been clocked up to 99 mph.
DMM  
debo_GIANTS : 12/5/2019 10:31 am : link
Not trying to be confrontational with you bud. I just think we should clarify your statement by your league source. It sounds like they dont think the sale will become official this offseason which is a bummer.
RE: DMM  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14703856 debo_GIANTS said:
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Not trying to be confrontational with you bud. I just think we should clarify your statement by your league source. It sounds like they dont think the sale will become official this offseason which is a bummer.


I can say it's someone with ties to players around the league and league owners.
RE: RE: I attended the trial of one of Cohen's minions...  
Tesla : 12/5/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14703762 Metnut said:
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There's no case against him. Prett Bahara is an ambitious person who would love to have a huge scalp like Cohen if that was in any way possible. He just doesn't have the evidence to do it.

Thanks for the congrats though!


You are completely wrong about this. I was there for the trial - they had plenty to convict Cohen but Bharara only took cases where he was 100% certain of getting a conviction. How do you think he was 87-1 in white collar crime trials? Because he only took cases they were 100% sure they would win.

Bharara's top assistant wanted to take the case but Bharara wouldn't let him out of fear of losing and tarnishising his legacy. If Cohen wasn't guilty he would never have agreed to pay a $1.2 BILLION dollar fine.

Believe what you want but Cohen is a crook who built his empire on insider trading and cheating.
Heyman  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2019 10:39 am : link
confirming what I was told.

Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO

3m
Heyman says as of right now for the Mets in terms of acquiring players everything is, "business as usual."
Gotta love the Yankees fans trying to throw shade  
figgy2989 : 12/5/2019 10:40 am : link
They are definitely a sensitive bunch.
Dominguez  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2019 10:53 am : link
is 18 years old. Older for an IFA, especially that throws that hard but intriguing regardless
here's an article from Olney about spending increasing  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2019 10:55 am : link
Here's the key excerpt:

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But now that the Wilpons have agreed to turn over control of the steering wheel to Cohen eventually, they'll presumably accede to any suggestions from the backseat-driver billionaire. This is standard operating procedure when baseball teams change hands -- the incoming ownership driving decisions even before formal approval.

Cohen will want the Mets in the best possible shape when he officially takes charge, so if he wants an alteration to the roster, to the way they handle the farm system, to the front office, he'll be in position to make that happen. (Total speculation: Nobody should be shocked if the Cohen-led Mets work to pry New York native David Stearns -- a Mets fan growing up, before he became one of baseball's most respected executives -- out of Milwaukee).

Any long-term deal signed now -- for Pete Alonso, for a big-time free agent -- can be on Cohen's tab. The Wilpons retain their titles, for now. Cohen controls the long-term bill, willingly.


As I said I doubt anything rash happens this offseason because Cohen may want to make changes to the overall direction of the team, but sooner rather than later they are going to be able to start doing obvious things that the Wilpons haven't even seriously considered. Like signing a Gio Gonzalez for depth in ST.
M-E-T-$: Impending sale could unleash a new big-money, big-market power - ( New Window )
RE: Gotta love the Yankees fans trying to throw shade  
Drewcon40 : 12/5/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14703868 figgy2989 said:
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They are definitely a sensitive bunch.


It is an odd study - they have a team history that is rich with tradition and championships yet any small amount of good news the Mets get frustrates them. They are about to sign Cole. I am not too much of a homer to say it would be nice to be in that position.
who cares  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2019 10:59 am : link
if he's a crook? I sure don't. not even a little.

He's not my priest or other religious leader. He's not a role model for my kids. He's not setting my moral compass.

In fact a little willingness to go outside the bounds of what's allowed is fine with me for a sports team.

Instead of focusing on the negative, I'll focus on the Veterans Network that Steve and his wife founded.

His work with veteran's charities and PTSD research massively outweighs any shady or illegal business dealings.

but please bring up his past case that he could have been convicted for - since there was tons of evidence, but because it wasn't a 100% certainty he'd be found guilty he wasn't prosecuted.

per twitter  
bigbluehoya : 12/5/2019 11:06 am : link
the Mets are acquiring Jake Marisnik. Haven't seen what the deal entails.
RE: who cares  
Rory : 12/5/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14703890 pjcas18 said:
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if he's a crook? I sure don't. not even a little.

He's not my priest or other religious leader. He's not a role model for my kids. He's not setting my moral compass.

In fact a little willingness to go outside the bounds of what's allowed is fine with me for a sports team.

Instead of focusing on the negative, I'll focus on the Veterans Network that Steve and his wife founded.

His work with veteran's charities and PTSD research massively outweighs any shady or illegal business dealings.

but please bring up his past case that he could have been convicted for - since there was tons of evidence, but because it wasn't a 100% certainty he'd be found guilty he wasn't prosecuted.



LOL, thank you!
Bingo  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 11:11 am : link
'pjcas18 : reply: who cares if he's a crook? I sure don't. not even a little.

In fact a little willingness to go outside the bounds of what's allowed is fine with me for a sports team.'

RE: per twitter  
bigbluehoya : 12/5/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14703902 bigbluehoya said:
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the Mets are acquiring Jake Marisnik. Haven't seen what the deal entails.


deal is apparently for 2 prospects. Passan is assuring Mets fans that it's nobody that would be considered big names.

Marisnick always seems like a pesky guy to play against. But I didn't realize how much he strikes out. Good defense nonetheless, and can play center. Not sure how much I'd want the bat in the lineup every day, especially in the NL.
here you go..  
Chris684 : 12/5/2019 11:15 am : link
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Jake Marisnick is headed to the Mets, sources confirm to ESPN. Two prospects will head back to the Astros. Neither is considered big-name. @Ken_Rosenthal had Marisnick going to New York.

8:09 AM - 5 Dec 2019
Marisnick  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2019 11:18 am : link
stinks. Solid glove. Nothing more
If this guy  
mitch300 : 12/5/2019 11:20 am : link
Has questionable ethics as some have claimed. Why would MLB and the owners approve of the sale.
RE: Marisnick  
Chris684 : 12/5/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14703933 DanMetroMan said:
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stinks. Solid glove. Nothing more


I was hoping for Marte but this is a right-handed CF bat with a plus glove which is what they were looking for.

Marisnick is a defensive replacement glove  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 11:21 am : link
It's a pretty uninspiring acquisition.
RE: RE: RE: I attended the trial of one of Cohen's minions...  
Everyone Relax : 12/5/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14703862 Tesla said:
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There's no case against him. Prett Bahara is an ambitious person who would love to have a huge scalp like Cohen if that was in any way possible. He just doesn't have the evidence to do it.

Thanks for the congrats though!



You are completely wrong about this. I was there for the trial - they had plenty to convict Cohen but Bharara only took cases where he was 100% certain of getting a conviction. How do you think he was 87-1 in white collar crime trials? Because he only took cases they were 100% sure they would win.

Bharara's top assistant wanted to take the case but Bharara wouldn't let him out of fear of losing and tarnishising his legacy. If Cohen wasn't guilty he would never have agreed to pay a $1.2 BILLION dollar fine.

Believe what you want but Cohen is a crook who built his empire on insider trading and cheating.


Couldn't care less, go rain on someone else's parade. I'd take Gordon Gekko as the Mets owner if he wrote big checks and stayed out of the way. We aren't talking about serial killer here.
'this is a right-handed CF bat'  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 11:22 am : link
Ummm this is a right handed CF out. Useless signing.
RE: who cares  
Metnut : 12/5/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14703890 pjcas18 said:
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if he's a crook? I sure don't. not even a little.

He's not my priest or other religious leader. He's not a role model for my kids. He's not setting my moral compass.

In fact a little willingness to go outside the bounds of what's allowed is fine with me for a sports team.

Instead of focusing on the negative, I'll focus on the Veterans Network that Steve and his wife founded.

His work with veteran's charities and PTSD research massively outweighs any shady or illegal business dealings.

but please bring up his past case that he could have been convicted for - since there was tons of evidence, but because it wasn't a 100% certainty he'd be found guilty he wasn't prosecuted.



Great post dude.
RE: RE: Marisnick  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14703941 Chris684 said:
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stinks. Solid glove. Nothing more



I was hoping for Marte but this is a right-handed CF bat with a plus glove which is what they were looking for.



Horrendous offensive player. wRC+ the past 2 seasons.. 84 and 86. Luis Guillorme out hit him in 2019. He's not even a solid 4th OF given how injury prone Nimmo/Cespedes are. He's a defensive replacement on a good team.
Would've rather  
Metnut : 12/5/2019 11:25 am : link
just kept Lagares than giving up prospects for this guy. Not a fan.
RE: 'this is a right-handed CF bat'  
Chris684 : 12/5/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14703948 Torrag said:
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Ummm this is a right handed CF out. Useless signing.


I didn't say "good" bat. I said right-handed.
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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2019 11:27 am : link
Ben Berkon
@BenBerkon

1m
Seems like Mets aimed very low. Marisnick is essentially a defensive-replacement. He doesn't hit well against RHP/LHP. I would have preferred Dyson (assuming Marte wasn't happening...).
Taylor  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2019 11:28 am : link
could have helped the 2020 Mets out of the pen.

Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman

27s
Blake Taylor and Kenedy Corona are the prospects that go to Houston for Marisnick. Don't know anything about Corona but put up nice numbers this season.

Not a fan of this move
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When they say  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2019 11:28 am : link
non prospects hopefully it means non-prospects.

if that's all it is then who cares.
RE: Would've rather  
Mike in NY : 12/5/2019 11:29 am : link
In comment 14703958 Metnut said:
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just kept Lagares than giving up prospects for this guy. Not a fan.


He is cheaper than Lagares and offers greater upside. I think it will depend what prospects we gave up. Perhaps Carlos Beltran thinks highly of him or the source that informed us that J.D. Davis was being undervalued felt the same about Marisnick.
'DMM- Not a fan of this move'  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 11:31 am : link
Yep, when they said 'business as usual' for now they meant it. Thins out an already thin farm system for essentially a bum. /shakes head

BVW and the Wilpons can't go soon enough. This is the type of crap an amateur sitting in the GM's chair with Jeff Wilponsi in his ear makes.
RE: RE: Would've rather  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14703978 Mike in NY said:
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just kept Lagares than giving up prospects for this guy. Not a fan.



He is cheaper than Lagares and offers greater upside. I think it will depend what prospects we gave up. Perhaps Carlos Beltran thinks highly of him or the source that informed us that J.D. Davis was being undervalued felt the same about Marisnick.


C'mon Mike. Marisnick has played 685 MLB games and will be 29 opening day, how is that comporable to JD Davis? He is what he is.
'and offers greater upside'  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 11:32 am : link
Sorry but he's a 29 year old bum. There is no 'upside' with this player.
RE: RE: RE: Would've rather  
Mike in NY : 12/5/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14703982 DanMetroMan said:
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just kept Lagares than giving up prospects for this guy. Not a fan.



He is cheaper than Lagares and offers greater upside. I think it will depend what prospects we gave up. Perhaps Carlos Beltran thinks highly of him or the source that informed us that J.D. Davis was being undervalued felt the same about Marisnick.



C'mon Mike. Marisnick has played 685 MLB games and will be 29 opening day, how is that comporable to JD Davis? He is what he is.


I would rather have Marisnick than Lagares considering the price. Blake Taylor showed improvement numberswise after moving to the bullpen, but with guys like Ryan, Villines, Gilliam, etc. in the system did we really need yet another relief pitcher? Know absolutely nothing about Corona.
Not going to get worked up  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2019 11:36 am : link
about it. The Mets got Taylor in the Ike Davis trade and he probably would have been a waste for half the year clogging up a 40-man spot until/if he was called up.

not a fan, but not going to be pissed off about it either.
Taylor  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2019 11:38 am : link
was DOMINANT vs. lefties coming out of the pen. At AA 14.2 innings 10 hits 24 k's 0.61 era. Not losing my mind over this but not an impressive move.
Mets  
TyreeHelmet : 12/5/2019 12:12 pm : link
Couldn't they have just signed a defensive CF?
Tyree they're trying to save pennies and they're cheap  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 12:16 pm : link
He's not going to cost them much in salary. Unfortunately that's because he can't hit the baseball.

It didn't take long to establish that Steve Cohen's bankroll isn't in play yet did it? LOL.
i like the move, has some power  
Rory : 12/5/2019 12:17 pm : link
and speed on the base paths.

Obviously defensive replacement is the main gain but if Mets play him more regularly it will be the first time in his career he would be able to be fully evaluated.

RE: Mets  
Rory : 12/5/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14704047 TyreeHelmet said:
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Couldn't they have just signed a defensive CF?


Not sure there was anyone available with the same metrics defensively, dont like Margot and Pillar/Hamilton are hurt often.
im indifferent to this move - he's a cheaper Lagares or Broxton 2.0  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2019 12:31 pm : link
the reality is it would have been difficult or expensive to upgrade what they have in Nimmo in CF. There were only a handful of defensive upgrades and offensively at best you get someone similar. The only guys who could conceivably do both together are Marte and Cain - who were expensive in different ways. We didn't give up anything of value so this is just a whatever move for depth since Nimmo does get hurt a lot.

Add some pitchers and a catcher with some real upside and then we can start talking about whether or not this roster/team is improved vs. last year. Either Toronto catcher would still make a lot of sense. Keuchel, Porcello, or even Gio would make sense to replace Wheeler or god forbid add extra depth. Signing Treinan, Betances, and Brach would surely go a long way to feeling better about the BP.
So that's 5 total prospects  
Metnut : 12/5/2019 12:41 pm : link
Brodie traded for Keon Broxton and Marisnick. Depth guys sure, but our system doesn't really have depth to spare.
this is just a whatever move for depth since Nimmo does get hurt a lot  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 12:41 pm : link
Which is why they should have signed someone better. Duh. This guy may end up starting 80 games. Or being forced to play a subpar defender there that can hit like last season.

It's not the be all end all but they should have spent more and got a better player.
It looks like Mars  
Metnut : 12/5/2019 12:42 pm : link
will be an fine addition to fill in the last spot or two in the roster and can spell Nimmo and play CF late in certain games, but I just don't like the mentality where we always keep dealing minor leaguers.
RE: It looks like Mars  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2019 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14704095 Metnut said:
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will be an fine addition to fill in the last spot or two in the roster and can spell Nimmo and play CF late in certain games, but I just don't like the mentality where we always keep dealing minor leaguers.


At roughly 3 million he's going to have a bigger role than 24th or 25th man. I expect him to see at least 300-400 PA's and see a lot of PT.
there's a difference between depth prospects and non-prospects  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2019 12:45 pm : link
to be clear im not sure which category any of the 5 belong in, but dealing non-prospects is insignificant.

Ironically most of these guys we dealt for CF'ers the past couple years seem more like non-prospects than that young IFA they dealt for Wilmer fucking Font.
RE: there's a difference between depth prospects and non-prospects  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14704098 Eric on Li said:
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to be clear im not sure which category any of the 5 belong in, but dealing non-prospects is insignificant.

Ironically most of these guys we dealt for CF'ers the past couple years seem more like non-prospects than that young IFA they dealt for Wilmer fucking Font.


Adam Hill just brought back a legit MLB catcher in Narvaez so I don't think it's fair to suggest the Mets only dealt insignificant pieces in these deals. Taylor is close to the bigs and impressed out of the pen this year.
I think his ceiling for AB's is the 285 Lagares put up last year  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2019 12:48 pm : link
and that was in a year where Nimmo missed 1/2 of the season. Hard to envision this guy getting more time than that unless Nimmo misses even more time next year.
RE: I think his ceiling for AB's is the 285 Lagares put up last year  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14704103 Eric on Li said:
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and that was in a year where Nimmo missed 1/2 of the season. Hard to envision this guy getting more time than that unless Nimmo misses even more time next year.


318 PA's with a contender last year. Expect at least that with injury prone Nimmo and maybe even Cespedes.
RE: RE: there's a difference between depth prospects and non-prospects  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14704102 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14704098 Eric on Li said:


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to be clear im not sure which category any of the 5 belong in, but dealing non-prospects is insignificant.

Ironically most of these guys we dealt for CF'ers the past couple years seem more like non-prospects than that young IFA they dealt for Wilmer fucking Font.



Adam Hill just brought back a legit MLB catcher in Narvaez so I don't think it's fair to suggest the Mets only dealt insignificant pieces in these deals. Taylor is close to the bigs and impressed out of the pen this year.


Which is why I specifically said "I'm not sure which category any of the 5 belong in". Wouldn't that pretty much be the opposite of suggesting they only dealt non-prospects? Just pointing out at least a few of the 5 were likely non-prospects.
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