In retrospect, since 2011, the Giants have been pretty much an utter mess. That's eight years and running. What Mara and Tisch decide to do at years end is critical. It's obvious to everyone if they make the wrong choices again it will only set this franchise back even further. As a die hard fan, that is a demoralizing thought. I'm old enough to remember the bad old days. What we are seeing is starting to rival that period.
Now you have Tisch speaking out and we hear nothing from Mara. We are also now hearing this iteration of Tisch Mara, despite past success, is not as cozy as was Wellington and Bob Tisch. How much of that dynamic is or has been a factor is anyone's guess. If there is any light at the end if this tunnel it's very hard to see. Yeah there is a new quarterback who right now is a turnover machine. And as Gettleman labeled Barkley as touched by the hand of God and a generational talent, talk about heaping pressure on someone, he's only human. And we are seeing that this year.
Chilling...
Saban was Accorsi's guy. He's had a Bert Jones level man crush on Saban for some time.
The kids enjoyed their 2nd....a short 4 years later.
I know we are all complaining about the drought....but in the scheme of things...only 5 teams have won championships since the Giants.
I suspect many other teams wont hace much sympathy
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that was trying to get Nick Saban here too?
Saban was Accorsi's guy. He's had a Bert Jones level man crush on Saban for some time.
Saban was offered the job in 1997 after they fired Reeves. The Giants had kept tabs on him after he left the Browns to go to Michigan State. George Young (who was going to retire and hand the job over to Accorsi after 1997) wanted to hire the next coach to lead the Giants and end his legacy (sound familiar going into 2020). Young called Saban the best candidate he ever interviewed.
Saban turned the Giants down because he wanted more control over his assistants and the players (again..sound familiar). So the Giants moved on to Fassel.
The rumors, including from Bruce Arians last year, was that Saban has always had his eyes on the Giants job and that's' the one NFL job he has wanted. At this point, at age 68, I think that ship has now long since sailed.
But the point that we read from Lombardi the other day, the Giants need an intervention on how to run the org. I have been a fan of George Young and his organizational approach worked to build the Giants up. And his methods are still somewhat in play, though they've kind of been bastardized in the years since. It really is time for the Giants to re-evaluate how they do things now 40 years later. And if that means ceding control to the right candidate to bring them in (which is honestly what I think Tisch is referring to when he's talking changes), the Giants should do so.
They missed out on Saban in the mid 1990s. Who knows how many candidates didn't consider the team in 2016 or 2018 because of the structure.
I think you do see him vent about expectations in press conferences, essentially he has to be perfect or fans are upset.
But to come to a woefully talent deficient team in cold weather without full control? No way.
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In comment 14703747 mittenedman said:
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that was trying to get Nick Saban here too?
Saban was Accorsi's guy. He's had a Bert Jones level man crush on Saban for some time.
Saban was offered the job in 1997 after they fired Reeves. The Giants had kept tabs on him after he left the Browns to go to Michigan State. George Young (who was going to retire and hand the job over to Accorsi after 1997) wanted to hire the next coach to lead the Giants and end his legacy (sound familiar going into 2020). Young called Saban the best candidate he ever interviewed.
Saban turned the Giants down because he wanted more control over his assistants and the players (again..sound familiar). So the Giants moved on to Fassel.
The rumors, including from Bruce Arians last year, was that Saban has always had his eyes on the Giants job and that's' the one NFL job he has wanted. At this point, at age 68, I think that ship has now long since sailed.
But the point that we read from Lombardi the other day, the Giants need an intervention on how to run the org. I have been a fan of George Young and his organizational approach worked to build the Giants up. And his methods are still somewhat in play, though they've kind of been bastardized in the years since. It really is time for the Giants to re-evaluate how they do things now 40 years later. And if that means ceding control to the right candidate to bring them in (which is honestly what I think Tisch is referring to when he's talking changes), the Giants should do so.
They missed out on Saban in the mid 1990s. Who knows how many candidates didn't consider the team in 2016 or 2018 because of the structure.
This is the underlying problem with the Giants, as exemplified by the alarming scapegoating of Gilbride, too much interference from GM and ownership.
The NFL is different than other organizations, the coach plays an outsized role in the org and is the boss, ideally the GM should be the grocery store deliverer and setter of hot dog prices. One of the reasons I wanted Reese gone, he had an ego and a system that conflicted with the head coach, a recipe for disaster.
Successful college programs fully realize this, where the head coach is a dictator.
The Maras just refuse to give up their decision making and have passed up some big names because of it.
we can only hope. tisch strikes me as likely to hire a football guy to run things and sit back and let it happen because he knows he's clueless.
problem with mara is since he forced coughlin to fire hufnagel, lewis and sheridan (and later gilbride, even though that didn't work out), it's only emboldened him and furthered his belief that he is some important football mind who needs to play a key role in decision making, even if every decision he's made for the last six years has been wrong.