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Here's a chilling Giant thought

blueblood'11 : 12/5/2019 8:37 am
In retrospect, since 2011, the Giants have been pretty much an utter mess. That's eight years and running. What Mara and Tisch decide to do at years end is critical. It's obvious to everyone if they make the wrong choices again it will only set this franchise back even further. As a die hard fan, that is a demoralizing thought. I'm old enough to remember the bad old days. What we are seeing is starting to rival that period.

Now you have Tisch speaking out and we hear nothing from Mara. We are also now hearing this iteration of Tisch Mara, despite past success, is not as cozy as was Wellington and Bob Tisch. How much of that dynamic is or has been a factor is anyone's guess. If there is any light at the end if this tunnel it's very hard to see. Yeah there is a new quarterback who right now is a turnover machine. And as Gettleman labeled Barkley as touched by the hand of God and a generational talent, talk about heaping pressure on someone, he's only human. And we are seeing that this year.
You came up with this...  
EricJ : 12/5/2019 8:40 am : link
all by yourself?

Chilling...
Wasn't it Tisch  
mittenedman : 12/5/2019 9:38 am : link
that was trying to get Nick Saban here too?
Brrr...  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2019 9:44 am : link
.
RE: Wasn't it Tisch  
jcn56 : 12/5/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14703747 mittenedman said:
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that was trying to get Nick Saban here too?


Saban was Accorsi's guy. He's had a Bert Jones level man crush on Saban for some time.
Eric  
blueblood'11 : 12/5/2019 10:04 am : link
Wow. The depth of your insight is, let's say, chilling.
not sure  
blueblood'11 : 12/5/2019 10:05 am : link
who was high on Saban.
Wellington and Bob Tisch had a championship after 3 years  
George from PA : 12/5/2019 10:23 am : link
Not exactly something that they could complain about.....and shortly there after passed away.

The kids enjoyed their 2nd....a short 4 years later.

I know we are all complaining about the drought....but in the scheme of things...only 5 teams have won championships since the Giants.

I suspect many other teams wont hace much sympathy

RE: RE: Wasn't it Tisch  
Matt in SGS : 12/5/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14703768 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14703747 mittenedman said:


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that was trying to get Nick Saban here too?



Saban was Accorsi's guy. He's had a Bert Jones level man crush on Saban for some time.


Saban was offered the job in 1997 after they fired Reeves. The Giants had kept tabs on him after he left the Browns to go to Michigan State. George Young (who was going to retire and hand the job over to Accorsi after 1997) wanted to hire the next coach to lead the Giants and end his legacy (sound familiar going into 2020). Young called Saban the best candidate he ever interviewed.

Saban turned the Giants down because he wanted more control over his assistants and the players (again..sound familiar). So the Giants moved on to Fassel.

The rumors, including from Bruce Arians last year, was that Saban has always had his eyes on the Giants job and that's' the one NFL job he has wanted. At this point, at age 68, I think that ship has now long since sailed.

But the point that we read from Lombardi the other day, the Giants need an intervention on how to run the org. I have been a fan of George Young and his organizational approach worked to build the Giants up. And his methods are still somewhat in play, though they've kind of been bastardized in the years since. It really is time for the Giants to re-evaluate how they do things now 40 years later. And if that means ceding control to the right candidate to bring them in (which is honestly what I think Tisch is referring to when he's talking changes), the Giants should do so.

They missed out on Saban in the mid 1990s. Who knows how many candidates didn't consider the team in 2016 or 2018 because of the structure.
I just can't see Saban giving up Bama's competitive edge or  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/5/2019 10:43 am : link
his cushy paycheck to come here.

I think you do see him vent about expectations in press conferences, essentially he has to be perfect or fans are upset.

But to come to a woefully talent deficient team in cold weather without full control? No way.
That is neither chilling  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2019 10:50 am : link
nor is it a thought.
Chilled and shaken  
TD : 12/5/2019 10:51 am : link
But not stirred
RE: RE: RE: Wasn't it Tisch  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/5/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14703867 Matt in SGS said:
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In comment 14703768 jcn56 said:


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In comment 14703747 mittenedman said:


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that was trying to get Nick Saban here too?



Saban was Accorsi's guy. He's had a Bert Jones level man crush on Saban for some time.



Saban was offered the job in 1997 after they fired Reeves. The Giants had kept tabs on him after he left the Browns to go to Michigan State. George Young (who was going to retire and hand the job over to Accorsi after 1997) wanted to hire the next coach to lead the Giants and end his legacy (sound familiar going into 2020). Young called Saban the best candidate he ever interviewed.

Saban turned the Giants down because he wanted more control over his assistants and the players (again..sound familiar). So the Giants moved on to Fassel.

The rumors, including from Bruce Arians last year, was that Saban has always had his eyes on the Giants job and that's' the one NFL job he has wanted. At this point, at age 68, I think that ship has now long since sailed.

But the point that we read from Lombardi the other day, the Giants need an intervention on how to run the org. I have been a fan of George Young and his organizational approach worked to build the Giants up. And his methods are still somewhat in play, though they've kind of been bastardized in the years since. It really is time for the Giants to re-evaluate how they do things now 40 years later. And if that means ceding control to the right candidate to bring them in (which is honestly what I think Tisch is referring to when he's talking changes), the Giants should do so.

They missed out on Saban in the mid 1990s. Who knows how many candidates didn't consider the team in 2016 or 2018 because of the structure.

This is the underlying problem with the Giants, as exemplified by the alarming scapegoating of Gilbride, too much interference from GM and ownership.

The NFL is different than other organizations, the coach plays an outsized role in the org and is the boss, ideally the GM should be the grocery store deliverer and setter of hot dog prices. One of the reasons I wanted Reese gone, he had an ego and a system that conflicted with the head coach, a recipe for disaster.

Successful college programs fully realize this, where the head coach is a dictator.
The  
Les in TO : 12/5/2019 11:27 am : link
Team is a mess. Tisch is more of a passive investor but gets involved when the turds running the team day to day cause deep embarrassment (like in 2017 when Mara Reese McAdoo botched the Eli benching or when Gettleman Shurmur and staff run this team into the basement so badly that opposing fans outnumber Giants fans in a half filled ugly tuna can stadium). Maybe it’s time he takes over as CEO and changes the outdated rigid structure and culture that is making the team as relevant as a typewriter, blackberry and Kodak film.
RE: Saban  
mittenedman : 12/5/2019 11:44 am : link
Not talking about 97, talking about a couple years ago when ToM Arnold claimed Saban had a backdoor talk. Allegedly Saban wanted $10M per year, not sure if Giants didn’t want to pay or if he used them for leverage.
We also heard  
mittenedman : 12/5/2019 11:45 am : link
Cowher wanted the job (remember Jerome Bettis) but again - power.

The Maras just refuse to give up their decision making and have passed up some big names because of it.
I think it’s only a matter of time before Steve Tisch  
Ben in Tampa : 12/5/2019 11:54 am : link
Decides he wants to have more say in the organization and challenges the Mara’s grip on things.
RE: I think it’s only a matter of time before Steve Tisch  
japanhead : 12/5/2019 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14704021 Ben in Tampa said:
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Decides he wants to have more say in the organization and challenges the Mara’s grip on things.


we can only hope. tisch strikes me as likely to hire a football guy to run things and sit back and let it happen because he knows he's clueless.

problem with mara is since he forced coughlin to fire hufnagel, lewis and sheridan (and later gilbride, even though that didn't work out), it's only emboldened him and furthered his belief that he is some important football mind who needs to play a key role in decision making, even if every decision he's made for the last six years has been wrong.
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