Every year when we miss the playoffs two things console and help me sleep at night: 1) a higher draft pick and a chance for some difference-makers in the draft and in free agency; and 2) the fervent hope that next year will be better. 'There's always next year.' 'Next year will be our year.'
98% of us seem to be in favor of Shurmur and coaching getting the axe, so this is for the minority of you who want Shurmur back. My question is...why? Why do you think he needs/deserves another year? Why do you think he will be any better next year? I can't think of one justifiable reason to bring him back (unless you're ownership and want to save money).
I can anticipate some of the answers:
Our younger players, especially DJ, will be more experienced
Shurmur is a QB whiz.
Saquon will be 100% healthy
We'll have a ton of cap space to improve the team, particularly the O-Line
We'll have a true difference-maker in Chase Young (please God)
But let's talk about Shurmur based on the merits. He has a lifetime record of 17-44. He's one of the losingest head coaches in NFL HISTORY. The highest number of wins he's ever had in a season as a head coach has been 5. Say what you will about Ron Rivera, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy..., but they've never had LESS than a 6 win season (with the exception of Jason Garrett's 4-12 team a few years ago. I'm also not counting shortened seasons.). 'Oh, but they had better teams. They weren't coaching the hapless Browns and the dysfunctional Giants.' Bullshit. Head coaches are supposed to bring the best out of their teams. Mike Tomlin is winning with Duck fucking Hodges. You really think that's a legit. excuse?
And given all the aforementioned "answers," how does that have anything to do with Shurmur? Why should we believe that any anticipated positives involving this team will lead to Shurmur leading this team to being respectable again? Will DJ having more experience mean that Shurmur's clock management skills will be better? Will Saquon being healthy mean that Shurmur won't waste precious timeouts? Will an improved O-Line mean that he won't waste challenges? Will Chase Young mean that Shurmur will stop calling asinine calls on offense and stop costing us games?
Shurmur isn't a bad guy by any means. I simply think he's a great OC but an absolutely awful head coach. He wouldn't be the only one. Look at Norv Turner. It happens.
It's time to go in a different direction. Let Shurmur coach the final few games of the season and then fire him and his crew on Black Monday. I have my own thoughts on Gettleman, but figured this thread should only be about Shurmur.
On a side note which idiots on this board actually want him back next year and please tell me how that’s possible?
There is no reason to be optimistic if he is still here next season.
Let's not forget Hill. I can't even recall his first name at the moment. I couldn't tell you if he's played this year, since you never hear his name.
I see no progress in the offense and the issues that have dogged us for years...the offensive line. It is still horrible. We have a terrible center and our tackles are bad. I see zero progress on defense...it remains terrible.
Yes, some of that is on the fact we have young players but a lot of has to be on coaching. Football is the only sport I know where coaching can have a significant impact. I see none of that with the Giants.
Shurmur may be a good offensive coordinator but he has shown absolutely no growth as a head coach. that is how I am evaluating...are we getting better, are certain players that we are going to be counting on getting better? And I would have to say no...
But I go back to what is really wrong here...this organization needs an enema, top to bottom. The deadwood has to be cleaned out and the Mara-Tisch ownership has to give its head a serious shake. This is not on Shurmur or Gettleman or anyone else. It is on John Mara and Steve Tisch.
Since it's not, and his overall record sucks, he won't.
Shurmur's big moment this year was the Arizona game and he failed miserably.
Hopefully, that's the question being asked in the building.
Things don't change till there are empty seats.
"QB Guru"... Guy had one good year from Keenum on a loaded team. Really has nothing else impressive on his resume.
To answer your question- you shouldn't be. He's an awful head coach.
Since it's not, and his overall record sucks, he won't.
Shurmur's big moment this year was the Arizona game and he failed miserably.
Agree, when Arizona came into Giants stadium with their new coach and QB, and kicked the Giants' ass, it proved to me what I already thought, Shurmur is not a good HC. They even had more days to rest and prepare for the Cardinals and got their asses handed to them.
Coming out of the bye and losing to the Bears was horrible too.
The team also is not improving in any demonstrable way. Other shit teams in the league this year seem to improving, not the Giants. If anything the team is getting worse.
There is zero reason for optimism if Shurmur is brought back.
-Hold PS accountable for Bettcher or do you just fire the DC
-Hal Hunter - gone one way or the other
Talent
-Highest number of 1-2yr starters in the league
-Starting vets are the worst players on the field
-League Highest % of deadcap/IR/benched players of Cap
Expectations
-Most viewed this team as 5-7 win team at best
-now with a Rookie QB
-Yet for the most part we have been in these games in the 4q
Market Value of the Head Coach of the NYG
-I think most HC candidates see the above
-Holding on to Fassel as long as we did, made us a top choice
-Firing a 2nd HC in 4 years, devalues the franchise, ownership
An respectable number under "W". That's it.
Don't care about supposed better drafting.
Don't care about supposed potential in young guys, including Jones or Barkley or Chase Young.
Don't care about supposed better scheming by this or that coordinator brought in.
Don't care about employing 'analytics' or whatever the fuck.
Win some God Damn football games. Beat the Eagles for once. The NFC East is not even close to a powerhouse division these days and the NYG can't even sniff contention. It's aggressively pathetic.
Win some games. Nothing else matters until that happens.
Shurmur back in 2020 is delaying the inevitable and eating into another year on Saquon and Jones' rookie deals to go nowhere.
1. The team continues to play hard
2. We are playing a lot of young players
3. Rookie QB, expected to lose a lot while the kid learns
4. Injuries at key positions on O (WR & RB) and never have we had our starting team on the field all season
5. attractiveness of the job, if we let him go what good head coach is going to want to come here? We will have had 3 coaches in 5 years. Not a good look for job security.
I have changed my mind over the last few weeks where I watch SB continually pound it up the middle. I just dont get it. At the beginning of the season SB was under used, now we are just beating the guy up, Get him out in space. EE lining up to block is just stupid and pointless. Every now and then its OK but he is costing us in key situations. This has continued all season. Our 2 best players and he cant create the O around them. He's supposed to be an offensive Guru but he is a guy that has an offense but he needs certain types of players to run it, he can't create the O around the talent. For that reason he needs to go.
I understand that the NFL is a game of inches, and the distraction of being HC has an effect on his ability to conduct the offense, but... few aspects of this offense are 'almost getting it done'. We bitch weekly about various defects - OL blocking scheme, WR scheme, using Barkley poorly, etc.
I would not be optimistic if we were to bring in a new HC and making PS the OC (ignoring the whole mental/emotional issues which would make this an untenable situation).
Remember Troy Aikman went 1-15 his rookie season and it got better for him.
The defense has to get better or we will be back here again and with experience they will get better.
Yes you will, including preseason.
Add 2 more highly rated draft picks, add a couple of FAs....with cap room.
Maybe with a more leveled talent being fielded....might lead to better results
He'd be a disaster again and be fired before Week 8.
I'd look for some major changes - relinqished play calling. new OLine coach, major upgrade on OL and LBs
But, I suspect that even if management thinks he can get things turned around - if they take a chance a things tank again - it would be unforgivable in the eyes of fans
Two years and probably the biggest issue regardless of talent is the level of confusion. youth explains some of it, not all of it
If the Giants believe that better head coaching candidates will be available after the 2020 season, then they should keep Shurmur.
Examples: BB, Peyton, Harbaugh, or whoever your choice might be.
It would suck to hire a coach like Saleh (sp?) for 2020 and then watch BB take a job someplace else in 2021.
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Keep Shurmer if you want to see the Giants on Hard Knocks. We are a virtual lock if Shurmur stays. They won't do it with a first year coach.
Haha, I don’t think this thread will do me any favors
If he’s back next year I will still be watching NFL Football, but 3 hours will NOT be dedicated to the Giants.
Of course I will still follow but I’m not about to waste 3 hours on watching a Shurmur coached team.
There is no reason to be optimistic if he is still here next season.
If he’s back next year I will still be watching NFL Football, but 3 hours will NOT be dedicated to the Giants.
Of course I will still follow but I’m not about to waste 3 hours on watching a Shurmur coached team.
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Shurmur has the 7th worst winning percentage in NFL history. 2nd worst among coaches who have coached at least 60 games and there's four games left to the season to get worse.
There is no reason to be optimistic if he is still here next season.
Jesus, only 7th worst? Who are the others??
Like Hue Jackson, Gus Bradley, David Shula...
Staggering actually when you consider his win % as compared to the other 30%. There's seriously zero reason at all he should get another chance as a head coach ever again.
And you're right, there's no reason to be optimistic at all about 2020 if he is brought back because he is a truly horrible coach of historic proportions.