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What's at stake Monday night for Eli and the Giants

pjcas18 : 12/5/2019 11:17 am
Eli
HOF
His W/L record (which I hate being used in connection with a QB, but it is) is at .500 for the regular season. 116 - 116.

Will being below .500 impact his HOF case? Without a thorough search only Sonny Jurgenson and Joe Namath stand out to me have losing records among HOF QB's, but they're from a different era. Dan Fouts is the closest but he's really a different era too.

So, if he never plays another game after Monday night it may be an important one for Eli's legacy.

Eli's Future
This game may serve as a showcase for Eli to show if he still has gas in the tank. Not sure he's got the desire to be a backup in the NFL, but who knows maybe a team like the Saints goes another year with Brees, but wants a capable backup, Eli has NO connections obviously or maybe he's considered starter material for teams looking for a bridge between current and future QB's. Either way, no better way to showcase yourself than one game. Just ask Matt Flynn.

The Giants
Jones
What would it mean if the offense struggles less under Eli than it has with Jones? Obviously as a rookie QB jones expectations should be less in some regards than a veteran like Eli, but how would it be viewed if the offense thrived with Eli (and his lack of mobility).

I like some of what Jones has shown, there's a lot of positives, but I think some people prematurely proclaimed "mission accomplished" with Jones. He has some work to do and in my mind at least I'm not 100% sold on him being a franchise QB. I've seen glimpses he could be, but he's got to clean some stuff up.

2020 draft
I'm not a root for losses person, but you'd have to be ignorant to not understand that a better draft pick is better for the team. If Eli energizes the team to win a meaningless game, that's probably not the best thing, long-term for the franchise. I want to beat the Eagles, but I really want to beat them with Jones, and have him get some experience with this lately lopsided rivalry.

Anyway, looking forward to Monday, not sure what to expect.
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RE: RE: As for Eli and the HoF  
JonC : 12/5/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14704088 BillKo said:
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at some point, a QB with the longevity/compiler stats and rings who was a good but not great player is going to get the snub. Eli could be that player.



Well, what QB's fit this bill besides Eli?


He could be the litmus test. For years, it's been Jim Plunkett.
2-14.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/5/2019 12:51 pm : link
That might be the impetus we really need to shake things the F up. Wins @ this point are completely meaningless.
RE: RE: Eli  
Diver_Down : 12/5/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14703992 pjcas18 said:
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Whether he's 116-116 or 116-117 should have absolutely no impact on his HOF credentials.



You and I probably believe that, but HOF voters are a strange group.


They are a strange group and likely a few of the voters will never vote for Eli. 117-116 or 116-117 won't matter to those individuals. Might it sway a voter who is on the fence?

I think Eli is sure-fire HoF'er. He might not get in on the first ballot. It depends on who is eligible when he is. If he retires this year and Brady retires, sorry Eli, but Tommy will get the nod. The voters like to have a well-rounded class and each class will have some "stars" with name recognition. You'll never see a class with just OL/DL/TE. There are many candidates that are worthy, but it isn't sexy to focus on the trenches. QBs, RBs, WRs, DEs are what grab the attention of fans and the voters are aware of that. Leading up to Eli's candidacy, we will see public relations campaign that will sway any voters that are on the fence more so than a single game above/below .500 will.
Eli  
LG in NYC : 12/5/2019 12:58 pm : link
Loved Eli but wanted him gone years ago. Have very little interest in seeing him play Monday or beyond... DJ is the only player that even piques my interest on the Giants right now.

I hate myself for it but I can't root for Eli to do well and/or win any games because we need as many losses as possible to ensure there are changes (and the draft slot issue).

That said, i do not think it has any bearing on his HOF chances but I do think him playing well could impact beyond this year. If he shows something, I could see another team signing him as a stop gap starter or experienced back up (assuming Eli would do that).

Most important is that we keep losing (and lose badly) to ensure big changes are made to this organization.
Re: Jones  
LG in NYC : 12/5/2019 1:01 pm : link
Not sure it has any long lasting impact, but if Eli plays well it would certainly change people's perception of him.
Right now I think most view him as an upgrade to Eli but a rookie who has some areas to improve.

If Eli goes out and plays well, I could see a significant portion of the fanbase (and national media) viewing DJ in a much more negative light and opening up the calls to draft a QB in 2020.
Eli plays well but we lose on Monday. Giants decide to be cautious  
CT Charlie : 12/5/2019 1:08 pm : link
and force DJ to sit for a couple more games. Eli beats the 'Fins and the Skins, and ends up with a winning career record.
Eli and the HOF  
rsjem1979 : 12/5/2019 1:11 pm : link
I don't really understand the "under .500" argument against Eli's eventual HOF candidacy.

If Eli Manning had retired after the 2016 playoff loss in Green Bay, would anyone have said he wasn't a Hall of Famer? He'd passed 48,000 yards, thrown for 320 TDs (including 91 in the previous 3 seasons against 44 INTs) and was already a two-time SB MVP.

If Eli was HOF-worthy in 2016, why wouldn't he be in 2019?
RE: RE: RE: As for Eli and the HoF  
BillKo : 12/5/2019 1:17 pm : link
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at some point, a QB with the longevity/compiler stats and rings who was a good but not great player is going to get the snub. Eli could be that player.



Well, what QB's fit this bill besides Eli?



He could be the litmus test. For years, it's been Jim Plunkett.


What stats has Plunkett compiled?
RE: RE: RE: RE: As for Eli and the HoF  
JonC : 12/5/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14704139 BillKo said:
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at some point, a QB with the longevity/compiler stats and rings who was a good but not great player is going to get the snub. Eli could be that player.



Well, what QB's fit this bill besides Eli?



He could be the litmus test. For years, it's been Jim Plunkett.



What stats has Plunkett compiled?


Eli's stats were compiled in the modern NFL era. That and the fact he's a .500 QB who's been consistently inconsistent in the NFL are his negatives. You have to look at it from the perspective of the writers who aren't going to be NYG fans either.
It's not me making the argument  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2019 1:20 pm : link
and I honestly don't care that much if Eli makes the HOF or not.

But people do have a perception that a "losing" quarterback maybe shouldn't be in the HOF.

Here is an article from earlier this year before Jones replaced Eli that didn't take long at all to find:

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How Giants' recent failures could be putting Eli Manning's Hall of Fame chances in danger
Manning's career record is an even .500 after latest loss


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....Why does this matter? The Hall of Fame question surrounding Manning's career has come up from time to time with him entering his final days in the league. And though he has continued to keep starting under center for the Giants, this season could actually be his last with rookie QB Daniel Jones waiting in the wings for his opportunity to take over the offense.

If Manning were to finish this season with a losing record, his Hall of Fame resume could be in jeopardy. There are only two quarterbacks in the Hall right now that own losing records for their career: Joe Namath and Sonny Jurgensen.

Namath famously won Super Bowl III in what many consider the biggest upset in NFL history with the Jets beating the Colts, but had a career 62-63-4 record. Jurgenson split his career with the Eagles and Redskins, owning a 69-71-7 record while winning the 1960 Super Bowl with Philadelphia.

Though losing, it was by a small margin for both quarterbacks. But the way the Giants are playing, that might not be the case for Manning who could have the lowest win percentage of any quarterback in the Hall if he were elected. That's what he could be facing with this team at the moment.

Manning does have credentials that do -- and should -- outweigh his record, though. First is his two Super Bowl MVP award from 2007 and 2011. He also currently ranks seventh in passing yards all-time with 56,537 in his 16 years in the league thus far. And he holds the Giants' franchise records for most passing yards, touchdowns and completed passes, to name a few.

Will that be enough for Manning to one day join his brother Peyton Manning (a lock for the 2021 class)? The voters will determine that when the time comes, but for now, Manning's record is at stake to stay below .500 if the Giants continue losing and he's under center.

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Nothing  
Les in TO : 12/5/2019 1:27 pm : link
Is at stake. It wonít make a difference for Eliís HOF or his future.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: As for Eli and the HoF  
BillKo : 12/5/2019 1:28 pm : link
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at some point, a QB with the longevity/compiler stats and rings who was a good but not great player is going to get the snub. Eli could be that player.



Well, what QB's fit this bill besides Eli?



He could be the litmus test. For years, it's been Jim Plunkett.



What stats has Plunkett compiled?



Eli's stats were compiled in the modern NFL era. That and the fact he's a .500 QB who's been consistently inconsistent in the NFL are his negatives. You have to look at it from the perspective of the writers who aren't going to be NYG fans either.


Actually Eli held his starting job for 15 years.....Plunkett can't sniff that for his career. In fact, Plunketts window is like four years....modern era or not.

Again, I see no connection, other than 2 SBs.

Plunkett is in no way a stats compiler.
RE: RE: RE: As for Eli and the HoF  
JCin332 : 12/5/2019 1:31 pm : link
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at some point, a QB with the longevity/compiler stats and rings who was a good but not great player is going to get the snub. Eli could be that player.



Well, what QB's fit this bill besides Eli?



He could be the litmus test. For years, it's been Jim Plunkett.


He won't be the litmus test...he was the best player in both those postseasons and carried the team in 2011...

Bottom line Plunkett is not even a close comparison...
I'd agree it's not a great comparison  
JonC : 12/5/2019 1:35 pm : link
but I think you both might be overrating Eli's career relative to how the voters might view him.
When it comes to the Giants, my emotion overrides intellect  
Waldo Jeffers : 12/5/2019 1:41 pm : link
I know that a #2 draft slot is certainly more important than a meaningless win against the Eagles but ..

It's simply not in my DNA to root against the Giants

Or to root for the Eagles.

And I can't feel bad about the way I feel

So, go Eli.

And G-d bless you
If Eli had the identical career he's had, but in Tennessee  
Go Terps : 12/5/2019 1:43 pm : link
I doubt very much that anyone here would consider him a Hall of Famer.
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BrettNYG10 : 12/5/2019 1:45 pm : link
I really want Eli to make the HOF, but I unfortunately think it's 50-50. I'd vote for him if I had a vote. The rings, SB MVPs, and longevity would make me cast a vote in his favor. He was fairly consistently a top 10-12 QB for a decade +.

He's an incredibly unique case.
RE: If Eli had the identical career he's had, but in Tennessee  
Chris684 : 12/5/2019 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14704175 Go Terps said:
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I doubt very much that anyone here would consider him a Hall of Famer.


Kind of a surprising take from you given you're on record as willing to trade the entire franchise for Bill Belichick.

You'd think knocking him off twice in the biggest game in the sport with heroic 4th quarters/final drives would carry more weight with you.

You alluded to this on another thread but it really does seem like the losing has caused you to lose your perspective.
One of 5 2-time SB MVP's...  
JCin332 : 12/5/2019 1:53 pm : link
Do I have to name the others?

And what does playing in NY have to do with it?

He would be in with the same numbers in Tenn also...

If anything playing in NY has been a negative because of the inherent anti NY bias in the sports media...
RE: I'd agree it's not a great comparison  
BillKo : 12/5/2019 1:53 pm : link
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but I think you both might be overrating Eli's career relative to how the voters might view him.


And that's my point. Eli is a unique QB in the fact he's played forever (15 years and has the stats), has won two championships (and made the big play in each), but has surel been inconsistent.

There's no player like that, really that I can think of.....it's why I asked.

Plunket was drafted #1 overall and failed (whether his fault or not) and was traded to San Fran then the Raiders to be a backup. In fact, when the Raiders won in 1980, Plunkett wasn't even the starter the entire year - Dan Pastrini got hurt. Plunkett played outstanding after that and was the QB for the Raiders for that window from 1981-1983 where they had a really good team. And after that, fell back into oblivion of starting/not starting and being an average player.

Plunkett only played every game of any season just 5x (four of those in his first four years). And none with the Raiders except the strike season of 1992.

In the spectrum of QBs, Plunkett is closer to Trent Dilfer than Eli Manning IMO (although he's obviously better than Dilfer).

RE: If Eli had the identical career he's had, but in Tennessee  
BillKo : 12/5/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14704175 Go Terps said:
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I doubt very much that anyone here would consider him a Hall of Famer.


Well as I have said before, he's done it at the toughest position in sports, in the toughest city for sports.

So yeah.......NY IMO does add something extra.
Determinate  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 12/5/2019 1:58 pm : link
I cant dispute if the snub what may or may not happen, but considering he beat the GOAT at QB and head coach twice in the Super Bowl have to amount for something.

Add that one team was perfect, and the only loss in the big game, i think he gets the nod.
RE: RE: If Eli had the identical career he's had, but in Tennessee  
Go Terps : 12/5/2019 2:02 pm : link
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I doubt very much that anyone here would consider him a Hall of Famer.



Kind of a surprising take from you given you're on record as willing to trade the entire franchise for Bill Belichick.

You'd think knocking him off twice in the biggest game in the sport with heroic 4th quarters/final drives would carry more weight with you.

You alluded to this on another thread but it really does seem like the losing has caused you to lose your perspective.


Eli's my favorite Giant ever, and I don't give a shit if he makes it to the HOF or not.

Winning those two games carries an enormous amount of weight with me. More, in fact, than the other 242 starts combined. I don't really care about the games started streak, or the stats he put up (which aren't especially impressive).

Eli's had a very strange career. So much of it has been ruined by organizational incompetence.

To me it's about those two games (or the two playoff runs if you prefer). But I'm also a hard marker. To me being in the HOF means you belong in the same room as Otto Graham, John Unitas, or Joe Montana. Eli does not belong in the conversation with those guys. But I wouldn't have put Jim Kelly or Warren Moon in the HOF either.

I don't think there's a problem with my perspective. The fact is that if Eli gets in the HOF it's on the strength of 8 playoff games. The rest doesn't approach the HOF.
RE: RE: RE: If Eli had the identical career he's had, but in Tennessee  
Chris684 : 12/5/2019 2:07 pm : link
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I doubt very much that anyone here would consider him a Hall of Famer.



Kind of a surprising take from you given you're on record as willing to trade the entire franchise for Bill Belichick.

You'd think knocking him off twice in the biggest game in the sport with heroic 4th quarters/final drives would carry more weight with you.

You alluded to this on another thread but it really does seem like the losing has caused you to lose your perspective.



Eli's my favorite Giant ever, and I don't give a shit if he makes it to the HOF or not.

Winning those two games carries an enormous amount of weight with me. More, in fact, than the other 242 starts combined. I don't really care about the games started streak, or the stats he put up (which aren't especially impressive).

Eli's had a very strange career. So much of it has been ruined by organizational incompetence.

To me it's about those two games (or the two playoff runs if you prefer). But I'm also a hard marker. To me being in the HOF means you belong in the same room as Otto Graham, John Unitas, or Joe Montana. Eli does not belong in the conversation with those guys. But I wouldn't have put Jim Kelly or Warren Moon in the HOF either.

I don't think there's a problem with my perspective. The fact is that if Eli gets in the HOF it's on the strength of 8 playoff games. The rest doesn't approach the HOF.


Why doesn't Eli belong in the same room as Tom Brady, Terry Bradshaw, Bart Starr and Joe Montana?

I can think of a way they're all connected.
Because those guys are some of the greatest QBs ever  
Go Terps : 12/5/2019 2:11 pm : link
And Eli is not. I love the guy like a son, but I'm sorry he's just not.
Agree. The teams won/loss record  
Giant John : 12/5/2019 2:13 pm : link
Has zero bearing on HOF for Eli.
'What's at stake Monday night for Eli and the Giants'  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 2:19 pm : link
Legitimately at stake? Nothing. Of interest I get.
RE: RE: RE: If Eli had the identical career he's had, but in Tennessee  
Thegratefulhead : 12/5/2019 2:29 pm : link
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I doubt very much that anyone here would consider him a Hall of Famer.



Kind of a surprising take from you given you're on record as willing to trade the entire franchise for Bill Belichick.

You'd think knocking him off twice in the biggest game in the sport with heroic 4th quarters/final drives would carry more weight with you.

You alluded to this on another thread but it really does seem like the losing has caused you to lose your perspective.



Eli's my favorite Giant ever, and I don't give a shit if he makes it to the HOF or not.

Winning those two games carries an enormous amount of weight with me. More, in fact, than the other 242 starts combined. I don't really care about the games started streak, or the stats he put up (which aren't especially impressive).

Eli's had a very strange career. So much of it has been ruined by organizational incompetence.

To me it's about those two games (or the two playoff runs if you prefer). But I'm also a hard marker. To me being in the HOF means you belong in the same room as Otto Graham, John Unitas, or Joe Montana. Eli does not belong in the conversation with those guys. But I wouldn't have put Jim Kelly or Warren Moon in the HOF either.

I don't think there's a problem with my perspective. The fact is that if Eli gets in the HOF it's on the strength of 8 playoff games. The rest doesn't approach the HOF.
I see your point. I think Eli deserves to be in the hall. Those 8 games were so big and memorable. To me, the Hall is history. He outplayed undeniable HoFers on the biggest stages in the biggest moments.

That said, I have no problem with your position on Eli and the Hall. There is real room for reasonable disagreement there.
I think he  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2019 2:43 pm : link
will get in and hopefully he will have a great presenter. It will certainly be a debate and probably will take a few years. Sal Pal is a yes, Peter King probably goes no. Over time I think being a Manning and the NFL as well will push him over.

Of the NFL HOF QB's (or those who will get in) how well do you think they would have done if they played for the Giants from 2013-19 with the same players and coaches? Kurt Warner? Ben Roethlisberger?
I'm just glad that Eli is back at QB  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/5/2019 3:03 pm : link
So we can get the designed rollout back into the playbook. It must have been torture for Shurmur to avoid using that play when he actually had a mobile QB in the backfield.
RE: Because those guys are some of the greatest QBs ever  
BillKo : 12/5/2019 3:21 pm : link
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And Eli is not. I love the guy like a son, but I'm sorry he's just not.


Considering you wouldn't put Warren Moon or Jim Kelly in the HOF, I don't really have a problem with denying Eli either.

Simply, you're an extremely tough grader. And that's subjective and allowed.

There is absolutely nothing at stake for Eli  
Bill L : 12/5/2019 3:28 pm : link
This will be the most care-free game he has ever played. He is not playing for this year's job. He's not playing for next year's job.


He is playing purely for the love of the game and to be part of a team and to help his teammates.

Which is a ll he ever wanted and all that was ever important to him.
Doug Williams  
Post Time : 12/5/2019 3:29 pm : link
did not win two Super Bowls, as stated earlier...
I expect back  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/5/2019 3:37 pm : link
more QB rollouts now that we have Eli...
RE: Don't screw up getting  
HoustonGiant : 12/5/2019 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14703989 David B. said:
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Chase Young.


^^^This
RE: There is absolutely nothing at stake for Eli  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/5/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14704322 Bill L said:
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He is playing purely for the love of the game and to be part of a team and to help his teammates.

Which is a ll he ever wanted and all that was ever important to him.


$250 million dollars in NFL contracts, still the leader in QB earnings, ahead of Brady. Love him as much as you please, but let's not romanticize to the point of parody. Money was quite important. Nobody's out there playing for free.
RE: As for Eli and the HoF  
Jersey55 : 12/5/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14704083 JonC said:
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at some point, a QB with the longevity/compiler stats and rings who was a good but not great player is going to get the snub. Eli could be that player.
if Eli does get in the HOF it will be more for his length of service and not so much on his accomplishments on the field, those 2 SB wins were due to the group of players on the team and not so much for Eli...
RE: Eli and the HOF  
Jersey55 : 12/5/2019 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14704134 rsjem1979 said:
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I don't really understand the "under .500" argument against Eli's eventual HOF candidacy.

If Eli Manning had retired after the 2016 playoff loss in Green Bay, would anyone have said he wasn't a Hall of Famer? He'd passed 48,000 yards, thrown for 320 TDs (including 91 in the previous 3 seasons against 44 INTs) and was already a two-time SB MVP.

If Eli was HOF-worthy in 2016, why wouldn't he be in 2019?

Eli's stats are due mainly to his longevity and less for his onfield performances .
Measure Eli Yellow Jacket Now  
LT56GOAT : 12/5/2019 5:05 pm : link
Good see Eli get some snaps now we need 52 other guys to play with (heart) Giant pride and avoid tie with all time franchise lose streak 0-9.

2020 if Giants want to win - Mike McCarthy coach and Ron Riviera DC
Maybe he plays vs Dolphins  
morrison40 : 12/5/2019 7:30 pm : link
And gets a win at home, a nice Christmas present for the long suffering season ticket holders
RE: As for Eli and the HoF  
FStubbs : 12/5/2019 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14704083 JonC said:
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at some point, a QB with the longevity/compiler stats and rings who was a good but not great player is going to get the snub. Eli could be that player.


The thing is, Rivers and Roethlisberger both will probably make it.
RE: RE: As for Eli and the HoF  
Diver_Down : 12/5/2019 8:09 pm : link
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at some point, a QB with the longevity/compiler stats and rings who was a good but not great player is going to get the snub. Eli could be that player.



The thing is, Rivers and Roethlisberger both will probably make it.


Big Ben will get in, but I don't see any case for Rivers. He has no hardware.
Re Monday  
Ivan15 : 12/5/2019 8:27 pm : link
Hopeful, not optimistic.
RE: Doug Williams  
HomerJones45 : 12/5/2019 8:42 pm : link
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did not win two Super Bowls, as stated earlier...
Right you are. I stand corrected.

So, Plunkett the only one who is not in the HOF.

Taking a quick look, it looks like the only three qb since the World War II with multiple championships not in the HOF are Tommy Thompson, Plunkett and Jack Kemp.

Manning is going to the HOF. Roethlisberger too. I have a feeling Rivers may be the odd man out but he should go in too.
RE: RE: As for Eli and the HoF  
HomerJones45 : 12/5/2019 8:46 pm : link
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at some point, a QB with the longevity/compiler stats and rings who was a good but not great player is going to get the snub. Eli could be that player.

if Eli does get in the HOF it will be more for his length of service and not so much on his accomplishments on the field, those 2 SB wins were due to the group of players on the team and not so much for Eli...
He was MVP in both games. Jesus, I don't understand the need to denigrate Manning's accomplishments. He is absolutely HOF worthy.
ELI is in the HOF  
upnyg : 12/6/2019 11:41 am : link
2 SB wins against the greatest team in the NFL
2 SB MVPs
Both seasons he rallied his average team to success, yes Defense played great in both SBs...so did ELI.

He has longevity, he has stats, W/L is what it is....

If he's not a lock for first ballot, history will show he is worthy on other votes.
RE: RE: There is absolutely nothing at stake for Eli  
Bill L : 12/6/2019 12:23 pm : link
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He is playing purely for the love of the game and to be part of a team and to help his teammates.

Which is a ll he ever wanted and all that was ever important to him.



$250 million dollars in NFL contracts, still the leader in QB earnings, ahead of Brady. Love him as much as you please, but let's not romanticize to the point of parody. Money was quite important. Nobody's out there playing for free.


He was paid his worth at the time of the signing. WHy does he always get singled out. No more and no less than any other player on any team or PS.

And, besides you continuously want to tag him as venal, his salary is certainly not at stake in playing on Monday. ICYMI, he gets paid either way.
RE: RE: Don't screw up getting  
jestersdead : 12/6/2019 12:50 pm : link
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Chase Young.



^^^This

Agreed, the Giants finishing 2-14 matters more.

I forgot who posted earlier about not rooting for Eli b/c this is Jones' team. Bottom line is, the team stinks, if you are rooting for Jones and the team loses, why wouldn't you root just the same for Eli at QB? Its ok for the Giants to win with Jones but not Eli? 4 games left in the season, its all about securing a top 2 pick. We don't need Eli playing hero ball, but I will enjoy a good performance and a close loss
RE: RE: Eli and the HOF  
BillKo : 12/6/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14704422 Jersey55 said:
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I don't really understand the "under .500" argument against Eli's eventual HOF candidacy.

If Eli Manning had retired after the 2016 playoff loss in Green Bay, would anyone have said he wasn't a Hall of Famer? He'd passed 48,000 yards, thrown for 320 TDs (including 91 in the previous 3 seasons against 44 INTs) and was already a two-time SB MVP.

If Eli was HOF-worthy in 2016, why wouldn't he be in 2019?


Eli's stats are due mainly to his longevity and less for his onfield performances .


You think?

So basically now you have to have the stats, but in a certain time frame.

BTW, 15 years for a QB isn't crazy or a record ya know.
RE: Because those guys are some of the greatest QBs ever  
BillKo : 12/6/2019 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14704237 Go Terps said:
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And Eli is not. I love the guy like a son, but I'm sorry he's just not.


Which is weird, because your quote makes it sound like Eli is one of your favorite players. In fact, I think you've stated that before.

And I do find it strange that post-career, you wouldn't root for him to be a HOF'er (deserving or not). Because you previously said you don't care about the HOF for Eli.

Strange take, Terps............

My perspective? He's one of my top 5 favorite Giants, and after he's done playing I'd like to see him in the HOF (which I believe he deserves).

Just as I'd like Phil Simms to be in the HOF (which I feel he falls just short).
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