Eli
HOF
His W/L record (which I hate being used in connection with a QB, but it is) is at .500 for the regular season. 116 - 116.
Will being below .500 impact his HOF case? Without a thorough search only Sonny Jurgenson and Joe Namath stand out to me have losing records among HOF QB's, but they're from a different era. Dan Fouts is the closest but he's really a different era too.
So, if he never plays another game after Monday night it may be an important one for Eli's legacy.
Eli's Future
This game may serve as a showcase for Eli to show if he still has gas in the tank. Not sure he's got the desire to be a backup in the NFL, but who knows maybe a team like the Saints goes another year with Brees, but wants a capable backup, Eli has NO connections obviously or maybe he's considered starter material for teams looking for a bridge between current and future QB's. Either way, no better way to showcase yourself than one game. Just ask Matt Flynn.
The Giants
Jones
What would it mean if the offense struggles less under Eli than it has with Jones? Obviously as a rookie QB jones expectations should be less in some regards than a veteran like Eli, but how would it be viewed if the offense thrived with Eli (and his lack of mobility).
I like some of what Jones has shown, there's a lot of positives, but I think some people prematurely proclaimed "mission accomplished" with Jones. He has some work to do and in my mind at least I'm not 100% sold on him being a franchise QB. I've seen glimpses he could be, but he's got to clean some stuff up.
2020 draft
I'm not a root for losses person, but you'd have to be ignorant to not understand that a better draft pick is better for the team. If Eli energizes the team to win a meaningless game, that's probably not the best thing, long-term for the franchise. I want to beat the Eagles, but I really want to beat them with Jones, and have him get some experience with this lately lopsided rivalry.
Anyway, looking forward to Monday, not sure what to expect.
^^^This
He is playing purely for the love of the game and to be part of a team and to help his teammates.
Which is a ll he ever wanted and all that was ever important to him.
$250 million dollars in NFL contracts, still the leader in QB earnings, ahead of Brady. Love him as much as you please, but let's not romanticize to the point of parody. Money was quite important. Nobody's out there playing for free.
If Eli Manning had retired after the 2016 playoff loss in Green Bay, would anyone have said he wasn't a Hall of Famer? He'd passed 48,000 yards, thrown for 320 TDs (including 91 in the previous 3 seasons against 44 INTs) and was already a two-time SB MVP.
If Eli was HOF-worthy in 2016, why wouldn't he be in 2019?
Eli's stats are due mainly to his longevity and less for his onfield performances .
2020 if Giants want to win - Mike McCarthy coach and Ron Riviera DC
The thing is, Rivers and Roethlisberger both will probably make it.
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at some point, a QB with the longevity/compiler stats and rings who was a good but not great player is going to get the snub. Eli could be that player.
The thing is, Rivers and Roethlisberger both will probably make it.
Big Ben will get in, but I don't see any case for Rivers. He has no hardware.
So, Plunkett the only one who is not in the HOF.
Taking a quick look, it looks like the only three qb since the World War II with multiple championships not in the HOF are Tommy Thompson, Plunkett and Jack Kemp.
Manning is going to the HOF. Roethlisberger too. I have a feeling Rivers may be the odd man out but he should go in too.
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at some point, a QB with the longevity/compiler stats and rings who was a good but not great player is going to get the snub. Eli could be that player.
if Eli does get in the HOF it will be more for his length of service and not so much on his accomplishments on the field, those 2 SB wins were due to the group of players on the team and not so much for Eli...
2 SB MVPs
Both seasons he rallied his average team to success, yes Defense played great in both SBs...so did ELI.
He has longevity, he has stats, W/L is what it is....
If he's not a lock for first ballot, history will show he is worthy on other votes.
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He is playing purely for the love of the game and to be part of a team and to help his teammates.
Which is a ll he ever wanted and all that was ever important to him.
$250 million dollars in NFL contracts, still the leader in QB earnings, ahead of Brady. Love him as much as you please, but let's not romanticize to the point of parody. Money was quite important. Nobody's out there playing for free.
He was paid his worth at the time of the signing. WHy does he always get singled out. No more and no less than any other player on any team or PS.
And, besides you continuously want to tag him as venal, his salary is certainly not at stake in playing on Monday. ICYMI, he gets paid either way.
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Chase Young.
^^^This
Agreed, the Giants finishing 2-14 matters more.
I forgot who posted earlier about not rooting for Eli b/c this is Jones' team. Bottom line is, the team stinks, if you are rooting for Jones and the team loses, why wouldn't you root just the same for Eli at QB? Its ok for the Giants to win with Jones but not Eli? 4 games left in the season, its all about securing a top 2 pick. We don't need Eli playing hero ball, but I will enjoy a good performance and a close loss
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I don't really understand the "under .500" argument against Eli's eventual HOF candidacy.
If Eli Manning had retired after the 2016 playoff loss in Green Bay, would anyone have said he wasn't a Hall of Famer? He'd passed 48,000 yards, thrown for 320 TDs (including 91 in the previous 3 seasons against 44 INTs) and was already a two-time SB MVP.
If Eli was HOF-worthy in 2016, why wouldn't he be in 2019?
Eli's stats are due mainly to his longevity and less for his onfield performances .
You think?
So basically now you have to have the stats, but in a certain time frame.
BTW, 15 years for a QB isn't crazy or a record ya know.
Which is weird, because your quote makes it sound like Eli is one of your favorite players. In fact, I think you've stated that before.
And I do find it strange that post-career, you wouldn't root for him to be a HOF'er (deserving or not). Because you previously said you don't care about the HOF for Eli.
Strange take, Terps............
My perspective? He's one of my top 5 favorite Giants, and after he's done playing I'd like to see him in the HOF (which I believe he deserves).
Just as I'd like Phil Simms to be in the HOF (which I feel he falls just short).