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Multiple sources have told me that the #Mets are going to be signing a reliever very soon. The group includes Daniel Hudson, Dellin Betances, Will Harris, and Blake Treinen. More to come.
Tim Britton
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Van Wagenen said the Mets were interested in bringing Wheeler back, but "the value for investment didn't line up." Team got out when "the price point was going beyond how we valued him."
We all figured this out here but on MMO many posters doubted this: Â
BVW: "we traded for Marcus Stroman because we saw that starting pitching was going to be expensive and difficult to acquire, so we tried to get out ahead of that"
Reporter: "Did you see the trade for Stroman as the replacement for Wheeler"
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The biggest takeaway from the Brodie Van Wagenen press conference was that the Mets are looking at “depth,” certainly didn’t sound like a GM that is allowed to do anything but bottom feed.
the timing of the ownership change is clearly going to impact things Â
when deals of this magnitude are the finish line the desperately selling party just isn't going to outlay cash they won't get back. Once there's an agreement things will change and getting rid of the wilponzis is the best reason i can think of to have to bottom feed for a few more months. We've been used to it for 20 years, a few more months won't be the end of the world.
It does suck that of course this is the year everything is happening early.
big moves, but I also know the Mets have holes, and dumpster diving doesn't close the gap (on paper) at least to win the division.
Going in to april with the goal of the wild card has to change. "come and get us" needs to be real.
the Mets need:
a starting pitcher
two bullpen arms (not dumpster dives, but legit arms)
probably an every day CFer
a defensive catcher
right now (and I realize it's December 9, so I'm not freaking out) the Mets are probably 4th in the division.
There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add. They'd have to trade off Conforto or Nimmo to even entertain it IMO. We mostly agree with the rest though.
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Who is the starting third baseman? Van Wagenen: "We'll have to see how spring training goes. I think the beauty of our roster is that we do have versatility which gives us a variety of options based on health, performance and best lineup configurations."
I love our depth right now... Im sure it will create many offseason arguments about who the starters are or where they should be but I have a healthy team shaking out with a
JD Davis, Jed Lowrie, Dom Smith, Jake Marisnick, backup C (Castro please) bench.
That is a fantastic bench that hedges against many injuries in many ways.
big moves, but I also know the Mets have holes, and dumpster diving doesn't close the gap (on paper) at least to win the division.
Going in to april with the goal of the wild card has to change. "come and get us" needs to be real.
the Mets need:
a starting pitcher
two bullpen arms (not dumpster dives, but legit arms)
probably an every day CFer
a defensive catcher
right now (and I realize it's December 9, so I'm not freaking out) the Mets are probably 4th in the division.
There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add. They'd have to trade off Conforto or Nimmo to even entertain it IMO. We mostly agree with the rest though.
I believe they wanted JBJ, and he would absolutely be an every day CFer (not the offensive upside of Nimmo, but far superior defensively), but the price was too steep.
And to be honest I wouldn't overpay for him, but in the Red Sox situation (salary dump) the Mets shouldn't have to overpay for a guy like JBJ. But the last time the Mets got involved in a salary dump we wound up losing Kelenic and Dunn.
big moves, but I also know the Mets have holes, and dumpster diving doesn't close the gap (on paper) at least to win the division.
Going in to april with the goal of the wild card has to change. "come and get us" needs to be real.
the Mets need:
a starting pitcher
two bullpen arms (not dumpster dives, but legit arms)
probably an every day CFer
a defensive catcher
right now (and I realize it's December 9, so I'm not freaking out) the Mets are probably 4th in the division.
There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add. They'd have to trade off Conforto or Nimmo to even entertain it IMO. We mostly agree with the rest though.
I believe they wanted JBJ, and he would absolutely be an every day CFer (not the offensive upside of Nimmo, but far superior defensively), but the price was too steep.
And to be honest I wouldn't overpay for him, but in the Red Sox situation (salary dump) the Mets shouldn't have to overpay for a guy like JBJ. But the last time the Mets got involved in a salary dump we wound up losing Kelenic and Dunn.
I disagree. He would have be in the "mix" at CF but he wouldnt have been the starter every day. He's had a 89, 90, 90 wRC+ the last three years. Nimmo wouldnt have gone to the bench for that and if you move Nimmo to LF, Cespedes, JD and others would still need to get time too.
JD Davis should be traded. I know you like JDD, I do too, but he's more valuable in the AL where he can DH and the Mets could use him in a trade to add a significant reliever or even a starter.
That they were looking to trade nimmo or conforto or 2) irrationally building him up because there is no way he is the every day starting center fielder even on a team that may suck like the Mets next year
The only every day CF options better than Nimmo were Marte/Cain Â
Marte was way too expensive in trade cost.
Cain likely way too expensive for Wilpons.
As a hitter Nimmo is about as good as you can do in CF so upgrading him isn't easy other than with elite D. The guy they got from Houston seems like a good fit.
That's not to say they aren't being negligent in other areas like catcher and pitching depth.
JD Davis should be traded. I know you like JDD, I do too, but he's more valuable in the AL where he can DH and the Mets could use him in a trade to add a significant reliever or even a starter.
but it's a moot point.
Everybody said Castellanos was unplayable last year and yet he improved his D a lot in one year (a 10 DRS swing). That was JD Davis's first full season in the OF. I want to see if he can get better out there first. Young controllable players like that dont grow on trees. Keep the depth. In a year Ces, Lowrie, and others will be gone. Conforto might be gone soon too.
For the same reasons, I want Dom kept around too. No reason to trade away these guys for pennies on the dollar.
If Ces has been taking batting practice for weeks now and is running, I'd be shocked if he doesnt show up to ST intending to claim LF in a contract year.
IMO. The only difference is the Astros had a more talented OF so Jake got less playing time. Almost the same exact offensive profiles and Marisnick might actually be better defensively.
That they were looking to trade nimmo or conforto or 2) irrationally building him up because there is no way he is the every day starting center fielder even on a team that may suck like the Mets next year
BVW? He actually singled out Nimmo as a reason for the late season success and said it showed his 18 wasn't a fluke. Made me feel pretty good actually that he was finally mentioned.
analytics, and I don't think JD Davis is "unplayable" but he's absolutely more valuable in the AL where he can DH at least occasionally.
I just don't think he has an every day position and his bat is good enough he deserves to be in the lineup daily or close to it.
I also agree, I'm not trading Dom Smith unless I get an overpay.
Well if you dont think Ces is gonna play, than JD is your LF IMO with McNeil at 3B. Im guessing Lowrie gets a little play at 3B too moving McNeil to a corner at times... but for the most part it will be JD-Nimmo-Conforto with Jake coming in late. I do think Ces will play though but Im fine with JD being the first guy off the bench and spelling Yo regularly if thats the case.
There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add. [/quote]
Marisinick was the CF they could afford. Not that they really wanted
There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add.
Marisinick was the CF they could afford. Not that they really wanted [/quote]
Who was the CF they couldn't afford even at any price? We know about Marte even though he's not even really a CF anymore. And he likely would have cost a bunch of prospects. No thanks on that one.
Seriously. Feels good to embarrass another team at home for once.
Sidenote - how insane is it that the same guy coaching the team Pat Shurmur's beating tonight also beat Belichek in a SB?
Well the Giants are playing the Eagles. It was an awesome first half. but something tells me this game is far from over. as dead as the Eagles look right now, we all know stranger things have happened.
There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add.
Marisinick was the CF they could afford. Not that they really wanted
Who was the CF they couldn't afford even at any price? We know about Marte even though he's not even really a CF anymore. And he likely would have cost a bunch of prospects. No thanks on that one. [/quote]
Sorry, should have said player, not specified CF. It was a low budget, low risk move. Not a difference maker a lagares replacement that's marginally better isnt something to hang our hats on when the division is getting better
John Happ. Do you make a trade for him with a lot of salary help?
Nope. Owed 17 million + a vested option. The Mets already are close to tapped out and he's coming off an awful season. If Porcello and Miley are too expensive there is no realistic number Happ makes sense.
Oh cool both @Nationals and @Phillies have looked into a trade for Kris Bryant , @Mets can't afford Porcello/Miley-types. Mets baseball... catch the fever!! #Mets
@PeteAbe
Couple of #RedSox items;
* They are actively trying to trade Jackie Bradley Jr. and were engaged with the Mets before they turned to Marisnick.
* Sox are not actively involved with any of their free agents (Holt, Porcello, etc) beyond keeping tabs on them.
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Van Wagenen said priorities are rotation depth, bullpen depth then next positional depth, perhaps a backup catcher #Mets.
Multiple sources have told me that the #Mets are going to be signing a reliever very soon. The group includes Daniel Hudson, Dellin Betances, Will Harris, and Blake Treinen. More to come.
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Van Wagenen said the Mets were interested in bringing Wheeler back, but "the value for investment didn't line up." Team got out when "the price point was going beyond how we valued him."
Reporter: "Did you see the trade for Stroman as the replacement for Wheeler"
BVW: "I did"
Ill still take him simply because he was pretty solid for 3-4 years before his big 2018.
Certainly not paying him top dollars or anything but he looks like a worthy gamble.
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
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The biggest takeaway from the Brodie Van Wagenen press conference was that the Mets are looking at “depth,” certainly didn’t sound like a GM that is allowed to do anything but bottom feed.
It does suck that of course this is the year everything is happening early.
Phillies added Wheeler
Braves added Hamels, plus
Nats won the world series and retained strasburg
even the Marlins added
here is what our GM says:
@SNYtv
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"We have a lot of our needs already filled"
Phillies added Wheeler
Braves added Hamels, plus
Nats won the world series and retained strasburg
even the Marlins added
here is what our GM says:
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@SNYtv
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"We have a lot of our needs already filled"
I wouldnt go that far. Nats are about to lose Rendon. Braves added Hamels but is he better than Keuchel and Teheren? What if they lose Donaldson?
Lot of offseason left.
Probably wouldnt be smart for Brody to kick off his exact strategy at the start of the meetings.
But I also definitely dont think we are spending big coin. We are still a LT team and were never likely going over it by much if at all.
Give me Betances, Gio, Castro. All those guys should get 1-2 year deals and be fairly cheap.
Going in to april with the goal of the wild card has to change. "come and get us" needs to be real.
the Mets need:
a starting pitcher
two bullpen arms (not dumpster dives, but legit arms)
probably an every day CFer
a defensive catcher
right now (and I realize it's December 9, so I'm not freaking out) the Mets are probably 4th in the division.
Going in to april with the goal of the wild card has to change. "come and get us" needs to be real.
the Mets need:
a starting pitcher
two bullpen arms (not dumpster dives, but legit arms)
probably an every day CFer
a defensive catcher
right now (and I realize it's December 9, so I'm not freaking out) the Mets are probably 4th in the division.
There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add. They'd have to trade off Conforto or Nimmo to even entertain it IMO. We mostly agree with the rest though.
Probably wouldnt be smart for Brody to kick off his exact strategy at the start of the meetings.
But I also definitely dont think we are spending big coin. We are still a LT team and were never likely going over it by much if at all.
Give me Betances, Gio, Castro. All those guys should get 1-2 year deals and be fairly cheap.
Are you Jeff Wilpon?
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Who is the starting third baseman? Van Wagenen: "We'll have to see how spring training goes. I think the beauty of our roster is that we do have versatility which gives us a variety of options based on health, performance and best lineup configurations."
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But we do have a few holes to fill. Backend SP'r. Another reliever, possibly two. Backup C.
Probably wouldnt be smart for Brody to kick off his exact strategy at the start of the meetings.
But I also definitely dont think we are spending big coin. We are still a LT team and were never likely going over it by much if at all.
Give me Betances, Gio, Castro. All those guys should get 1-2 year deals and be fairly cheap.
Are you Jeff Wilpon?
Why you dont think those guys help us?
JD Davis, Jed Lowrie, Dom Smith, Jake Marisnick, backup C (Castro please) bench.
That is a fantastic bench that hedges against many injuries in many ways.
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big moves, but I also know the Mets have holes, and dumpster diving doesn't close the gap (on paper) at least to win the division.
Going in to april with the goal of the wild card has to change. "come and get us" needs to be real.
the Mets need:
a starting pitcher
two bullpen arms (not dumpster dives, but legit arms)
probably an every day CFer
a defensive catcher
right now (and I realize it's December 9, so I'm not freaking out) the Mets are probably 4th in the division.
There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add. They'd have to trade off Conforto or Nimmo to even entertain it IMO. We mostly agree with the rest though.
I believe they wanted JBJ, and he would absolutely be an every day CFer (not the offensive upside of Nimmo, but far superior defensively), but the price was too steep.
And to be honest I wouldn't overpay for him, but in the Red Sox situation (salary dump) the Mets shouldn't have to overpay for a guy like JBJ. But the last time the Mets got involved in a salary dump we wound up losing Kelenic and Dunn.
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big moves, but I also know the Mets have holes, and dumpster diving doesn't close the gap (on paper) at least to win the division.
Going in to april with the goal of the wild card has to change. "come and get us" needs to be real.
the Mets need:
a starting pitcher
two bullpen arms (not dumpster dives, but legit arms)
probably an every day CFer
a defensive catcher
right now (and I realize it's December 9, so I'm not freaking out) the Mets are probably 4th in the division.
There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add. They'd have to trade off Conforto or Nimmo to even entertain it IMO. We mostly agree with the rest though.
I believe they wanted JBJ, and he would absolutely be an every day CFer (not the offensive upside of Nimmo, but far superior defensively), but the price was too steep.
And to be honest I wouldn't overpay for him, but in the Red Sox situation (salary dump) the Mets shouldn't have to overpay for a guy like JBJ. But the last time the Mets got involved in a salary dump we wound up losing Kelenic and Dunn.
I disagree. He would have be in the "mix" at CF but he wouldnt have been the starter every day. He's had a 89, 90, 90 wRC+ the last three years. Nimmo wouldnt have gone to the bench for that and if you move Nimmo to LF, Cespedes, JD and others would still need to get time too.
It would be Nimmo, JBJ, Conforto.
JD Davis should be traded. I know you like JDD, I do too, but he's more valuable in the AL where he can DH and the Mets could use him in a trade to add a significant reliever or even a starter.
but it's a moot point.
Cain likely way too expensive for Wilpons.
As a hitter Nimmo is about as good as you can do in CF so upgrading him isn't easy other than with elite D. The guy they got from Houston seems like a good fit.
That's not to say they aren't being negligent in other areas like catcher and pitching depth.
It would be Nimmo, JBJ, Conforto.
JD Davis should be traded. I know you like JDD, I do too, but he's more valuable in the AL where he can DH and the Mets could use him in a trade to add a significant reliever or even a starter.
but it's a moot point.
Everybody said Castellanos was unplayable last year and yet he improved his D a lot in one year (a 10 DRS swing). That was JD Davis's first full season in the OF. I want to see if he can get better out there first. Young controllable players like that dont grow on trees. Keep the depth. In a year Ces, Lowrie, and others will be gone. Conforto might be gone soon too.
For the same reasons, I want Dom kept around too. No reason to trade away these guys for pennies on the dollar.
If Ces has been taking batting practice for weeks now and is running, I'd be shocked if he doesnt show up to ST intending to claim LF in a contract year.
I just don't think he has an every day position and his bat is good enough he deserves to be in the lineup daily or close to it.
I also agree, I'm not trading Dom Smith unless I get an overpay.
BVW? He actually singled out Nimmo as a reason for the late season success and said it showed his 18 wasn't a fluke. Made me feel pretty good actually that he was finally mentioned.
I just don't think he has an every day position and his bat is good enough he deserves to be in the lineup daily or close to it.
I also agree, I'm not trading Dom Smith unless I get an overpay.
Well if you dont think Ces is gonna play, than JD is your LF IMO with McNeil at 3B. Im guessing Lowrie gets a little play at 3B too moving McNeil to a corner at times... but for the most part it will be JD-Nimmo-Conforto with Jake coming in late. I do think Ces will play though but Im fine with JD being the first guy off the bench and spelling Yo regularly if thats the case.
That would be a huge move IMO.
haha. yes...
Seriously. Feels good to embarrass another team at home for once.
Sidenote - how insane is it that the same guy coaching the team Pat Shurmur's beating tonight also beat Belichek in a SB?
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There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add. [/quote]
Marisinick was the CF they could afford. Not that they really wanted
[quote
There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add.
Marisinick was the CF they could afford. Not that they really wanted [/quote]
Who was the CF they couldn't afford even at any price? We know about Marte even though he's not even really a CF anymore. And he likely would have cost a bunch of prospects. No thanks on that one.
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listen to those boos in Philly. So awesome.
Seriously. Feels good to embarrass another team at home for once.
Sidenote - how insane is it that the same guy coaching the team Pat Shurmur's beating tonight also beat Belichek in a SB?
Well the Giants are playing the Eagles. It was an awesome first half. but something tells me this game is far from over. as dead as the Eagles look right now, we all know stranger things have happened.
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There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add.
Marisinick was the CF they could afford. Not that they really wanted
Who was the CF they couldn't afford even at any price? We know about Marte even though he's not even really a CF anymore. And he likely would have cost a bunch of prospects. No thanks on that one. [/quote]
Sorry, should have said player, not specified CF. It was a low budget, low risk move. Not a difference maker a lagares replacement that's marginally better isnt something to hang our hats on when the division is getting better
Nope. Owed 17 million + a vested option. The Mets already are close to tapped out and he's coming off an awful season. If Porcello and Miley are too expensive there is no realistic number Happ makes sense.
Why the hell were they testing for it to begin with? Is it a PED?
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Been the case for 10 years, nothing really new. Hopefully Cohen delivers on the optimism.
That would be a huge move IMO.
I heard this too from my Yankee media friend, Hudson is also in the mix.
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for Marijuana in the minors will no longer occur.
Why the hell were they testing for it to begin with? Is it a PED?
Do they test mangers? It would definitely not shock me if Micky was under the influence at certain times last year.