Marisnek was buried on the Astros outfield. Has power and speed. Yes, the average isn't great, but the rest is pretty good.
85 wRC+ the past 2 seasons, 79 career. Awful numbers average aside and that's with the Astros cheating.
Are we sure the cheating is really an impact? I mean JD David would've had the benefit of cheating if it was really going on throughout the organization and he did better when he got here.
Marisnek was buried on the Astros outfield. Has power and speed. Yes, the average isn't great, but the rest is pretty good.
85 wRC+ the past 2 seasons, 79 career. Awful numbers average aside and that's with the Astros cheating.
Are we sure the cheating is really an impact? I mean JD David would've had the benefit of cheating if it was really going on throughout the organization and he did better when he got here.
JD Davis had 165 total AB's over 2 seasons in Houston and mashed in the minors. He likely would have mashed in Houston given enough time.
these typical Coupon moves aren't the problem I have Â
Does anybody think this guy will be the starting CF? Does anybody think he’ll platoon with Nimmo? I don’t know much about him but couldn’t the team sign a free agent CF who plays defense but doesn’t hit without trading prospects? Even if they are not top line, they could have been packaged in a deal for a starter. I’m assuming they’ve given up on Lagares if only for injury reasons
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Marisnek was buried on the Astros outfield. Has power and speed. Yes, the average isn't great, but the rest is pretty good.
85 wRC+ the past 2 seasons, 79 career. Awful numbers average aside and that's with the Astros cheating.
double digit power and steals as a part time player batting 8th or 9th in Houston, a + defender and a cheap contract that only lasts another year. Sure, he's not Dimaggio but there is nothing wrong with this deal.
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MLB scout on Jake Marisnick: “You want to go with defense in center field and Lagares was going backwards a lot. This guy is not a savior by any means. He will have a good day here and there. But at least he’s a legitimate guy that can run balls down in the gaps and throw.”
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MLB scout on Jake Marisnick: “You want to go with defense in center field and Lagares was going backwards a lot. This guy is not a savior by any means. He will have a good day here and there. But at least he’s a legitimate guy that can run balls down in the gaps and throw.”
I'm not enthused by this move but it makes sense - and Beltran is likely familiar with him.
More broadly I'm disappointed because I'd have really pushed to add a true GG caliber defender up the middle at either CF or C though, and obviously options are dwindling after Grandal signed. Cain seems like the only other guy who fits that criteria out there and who knows if he's available. Plus his age is risky.
RE: This signing may be the start of bigger things to come Â
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MLB scout on Jake Marisnick: “You want to go with defense in center field and Lagares was going backwards a lot. This guy is not a savior by any means. He will have a good day here and there. But at least he’s a legitimate guy that can run balls down in the gaps and throw.”
I'm not enthused by this move but it makes sense - and Beltran is likely familiar with him.
More broadly I'm disappointed because I'd have really pushed to add a true GG caliber defender up the middle at either CF or C though, and obviously options are dwindling after Grandal signed. Cain seems like the only other guy who fits that criteria out there and who knows if he's available. Plus his age is risky.
There are rumors that Atlanta is shopping Inciarte. They have both of their top CF prospects in AAA so they are willing to move Inciarte who is coming off his worst season. Injuries are likely the cause for his struggles but the Braves would be selling low.
Porcello on a one year deal as 4th or 5th starter is an upgrade Â
Of course price matters and any further commitment to him would be a mistake. That said his IP/ERA/WHIP have fallen significantly over the last three consecutive seasons. he didn't approach 200 IP last season and it's fallen every year. So that's a concern given his greatest asset is eating innings. It will help his numbers coming to the NL without the DL which we can factor in and he's been very durable which is a plus.
I was hoping we could add another lefty to the rotation as matz is so mind bogglingly inconsistent but they are hard to come by.
RE: Porcello on a one year deal as 4th or 5th starter is an upgrade Â
Of course price matters and any further commitment to him would be a mistake. That said his IP/ERA/WHIP have fallen significantly over the last three consecutive seasons. he didn't approach 200 IP last season and it's fallen every year. So that's a concern given his greatest asset is eating innings. It will help his numbers coming to the NL without the DL which we can factor in and he's been very durable which is a plus.
I was hoping we could add another lefty to the rotation as matz is so mind bogglingly inconsistent but they are hard to come by.
Torrag,
He's really not. Porcello posted a 4.76 FIP last season and has a 4.45 FIP over his last 3. That's 79th in the league behind Jesse Chavez. There is significant evidence pointing to him headed in the wrong direction.
Jay - I have always liked Enciarte so I'd be all over that Â
Dan that's still better than Vargas whose also thrown under 150 innings each of the last three years. He won't have the DH to contend with which generally translates to slightly improved stats as well. Not a huge upgrade but still one nonetheless.
Crosses one need off the list and he’s got more pop and speed than Lagares did. The players going the other way can barely even be considered prospects at all. Both insanely old for the levels they were playing at.
Hopefully this puts to rest the absurd Marte rumors and assures Nimmo to be in CF where he belongs.
Would have loved Shogo for this spot, but this is likely just as good. The 5th OF will almost never play on this team but we still need late inning D.
Crosses one need off the list and he’s got more pop and speed than Lagares did. The players going the other way can barely even be considered prospects at all. Both insanely old for the levels they were playing at.
Hopefully this puts to rest the absurd Marte rumors and assures Nimmo to be in CF where he belongs.
Would have loved Shogo for this spot, but this is likely just as good. The 5th OF will almost never play on this team but we still need late inning D.
Now go get Castro, Keuchel, Betances, and Brach!
Blake Taylor is "insanely old"? He was 23 this past season and finished the year in AAA. He was 1.3 years YOUNGER than the league in the EL this season and .1 years older than the FSL.
in the AFL this fall 9 innings 5 hits 2 runs 11 k's (oh yeah he was .2 years younger than the average AFL player too). Hey, if you like the move more power to you but "insanely old" is flat out false, not even borderline true.
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I’m not losing sleep over Blake Taylor but he was touching 97 once he moved to the bullpen and has a high-spin breaking ball. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a role in Houston’s ‘pen before the end of the year.
1 of these lesser known guys is due to come back and bite us Â
BVW has been pretty cavalier about dumping players from the old regime.
Not that SWR/Kay were lesser knowns but I truly believe the Stroman trade is going to ultimately end up looking as bad as the Kelenic trade unless he goes on to resign and way outperform Wheeler over the next few years (which at this point would seem unlikely). Just so pointless.
RE: Jay - I have always liked Enciarte so I'd be all over that Â
if you guys don't get Donaldson back, maybe a Lowrie for Inciarte swap makes sense? I believe $ is similar.
That sounds good to me. I would do it even if Donaldson was brought back. Lowrie would be great insurance if Riley isn’t ready for the full time 3B job. There have been some rumblings that they might consider moving Dansby Swanson which would allow Albies to move back to SS but that would open a hole at 2B with no prospect ready for at least a year. Lowrie could split time with Camargo in that scenario.
Yep, money driven decisions when we're in the NY market is an insane way to run a franchise. But until Cohen actually starts running things that's where we are.
btw here's some good info on Marsinek's D from Mark Simon Â
Marisnick is the team’s best ‘go back and get it’ outfielder, hence a valuable center fielder. He’s totaled at least 10 Runs Saved in a season as an outfielder four times. Since 2014, he ranks seventh among outfielders in Runs Saved despite ranking 60th in innings. He finished 2019 with five Runs Saved, with his strength being catching the shallow fly ball rather than the deep fly, as it had been in years past. The Astros have been using him as a defensive closer this postseason, bringing him in to protect late-game leads.
Jake Marisnick on Shallow Fly Balls
Opportunities* 78
Plays Made 59
Expected Plays Made 50
Plays Above Expected 9**
* Balls with Catch Probability >0%
** T-2nd among CF
And a little bonus nugget from this article on Maldonado - who the cheating genius' have acquired twice at the deadline, ended up getting paid less than we paid TDA for a couple months last year, and is a FA again right now.
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Pitch and Catch
Behind the plate, the Astros split between Martin Maldonado and Robinson Chirinos. Maldonado is Cole’s personal catcher and could start if the Astros use a bullpen game again. Maldonado has a reputation of being one of the best defensive catchers in the game. He ranked among the best pitch blockers this season and is typically one of the leaders in pitch framing and basestealing deterrence, though he was just a smidge above average in both this season.
Cole’s fine with that. He has a 1.30 ERA and a nearly 8-to-1 strikeout-to-walk ratio in the 90 1/3 innings Maldonado has caught him.
The Astros outfield has a 65 percent out rate on fly balls and line drives. They have a combined 21 runs saved, which ranks tied for third overall. Jake Marisnick has been consistently good, often in part-time samples, every year. Marisnick is good at catching the deep fly ball and coming in to grab the shallow one. He ranks first among center fielders with six diving catches. SIS tracks “Good Fielding Plays” (think: Web Gems) and Marisnick’s 10 are two shy of the most by a center fielder (Byron Buxton), but Marisnick is averaging the most on a per-inning basis.
if you guys don't get Donaldson back, maybe a Lowrie for Inciarte swap makes sense? I believe $ is similar.
That sounds good to me. I would do it even if Donaldson was brought back. Lowrie would be great insurance if Riley isn’t ready for the full time 3B job. There have been some rumblings that they might consider moving Dansby Swanson which would allow Albies to move back to SS but that would open a hole at 2B with no prospect ready for at least a year. Lowrie could split time with Camargo in that scenario.
Too bad we didn't consummate it before BVW decided to trade for Marsinek. I'd possibly still take Inciarte though. Give him a shot in CF every day with Nimmo/JDD in LF and Conforto in RF (Mcneil at 3B). Marsinek can still mix in against lefties.
RE: 1 of these lesser known guys is due to come back and bite us Â
BVW has been pretty cavalier about dumping players from the old regime.
Not that SWR/Kay were lesser knowns but I truly believe the Stroman trade is going to ultimately end up looking as bad as the Kelenic trade unless he goes on to resign and way outperform Wheeler over the next few years (which at this point would seem unlikely). Just so pointless.
I tend to agree but Kay is a flyball pitcher and Peterson is a ground ball pitcher. I think BVW is really emphasizing ground ball pitchers as a way of countering HR.
Let’s see the Mets desperately need bullpen help Â
Invested in this guy to go to AFL where’d he shined and traded him for a 29 year old 5th outfielder who is a free agent after the year. Taylor May end up sucking but why even risk it and not simply sign one of the multitude of players who fit the exact same profile as this guy? BVW and wilpons can’t be gone fast enough.
That said, nothing that will be done one free agent side will tamper my happiness over the Cohen news. The end is finally in sight if we have to ruin this current window due to financial cheapness yet again so be it.
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MLB scout on Jake Marisnick: “You want to go with defense in center field and Lagares was going backwards a lot. This guy is not a savior by any means. He will have a good day here and there. But at least he’s a legitimate guy that can run balls down in the gaps and throw.”
I'm not enthused by this move but it makes sense - and Beltran is likely familiar with him.
More broadly I'm disappointed because I'd have really pushed to add a true GG caliber defender up the middle at either CF or C though, and obviously options are dwindling after Grandal signed. Cain seems like the only other guy who fits that criteria out there and who knows if he's available. Plus his age is risky.
There are rumors that Atlanta is shopping Inciarte. They have both of their top CF prospects in AAA so they are willing to move Inciarte who is coming off his worst season. Injuries are likely the cause for his struggles but the Braves would be selling low.
There is no way the Braves are trading Inciarte to the mets.
Marisnek? Still Cant Beleive that Chapman Elected to Pitch to Altuve Â
Also a good PR -- if it's primarily a bench move, it's fine.
i want to see the entire OF plan and where he fits in before really opining.
So maybe Mets see some power potential
85 wRC+ the past 2 seasons, 79 career. Awful numbers average aside and that's with the Astros cheating.
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Marisnek was buried on the Astros outfield. Has power and speed. Yes, the average isn't great, but the rest is pretty good.
85 wRC+ the past 2 seasons, 79 career. Awful numbers average aside and that's with the Astros cheating.
Are we sure the cheating is really an impact? I mean JD David would've had the benefit of cheating if it was really going on throughout the organization and he did better when he got here.
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Marisnek was buried on the Astros outfield. Has power and speed. Yes, the average isn't great, but the rest is pretty good.
85 wRC+ the past 2 seasons, 79 career. Awful numbers average aside and that's with the Astros cheating.
Are we sure the cheating is really an impact? I mean JD David would've had the benefit of cheating if it was really going on throughout the organization and he did better when he got here.
JD Davis had 165 total AB's over 2 seasons in Houston and mashed in the minors. He likely would have mashed in Houston given enough time.
Or trading for Stroman while not just re-signing a better potential wheeler.
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We’ve signed OF Jarrett Parker and INF Max Moroff (
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Marisnek was buried on the Astros outfield. Has power and speed. Yes, the average isn't great, but the rest is pretty good.
85 wRC+ the past 2 seasons, 79 career. Awful numbers average aside and that's with the Astros cheating.
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MLB scout on Jake Marisnick: “You want to go with defense in center field and Lagares was going backwards a lot. This guy is not a savior by any means. He will have a good day here and there. But at least he’s a legitimate guy that can run balls down in the gaps and throw.”
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MLB scout on Jake Marisnick: “You want to go with defense in center field and Lagares was going backwards a lot. This guy is not a savior by any means. He will have a good day here and there. But at least he’s a legitimate guy that can run balls down in the gaps and throw.”
I'm not enthused by this move but it makes sense - and Beltran is likely familiar with him.
More broadly I'm disappointed because I'd have really pushed to add a true GG caliber defender up the middle at either CF or C though, and obviously options are dwindling after Grandal signed. Cain seems like the only other guy who fits that criteria out there and who knows if he's available. Plus his age is risky.
You really need to stop sniffing glue....lol
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Jeff Wilpon is notorious for meddling into small minor league moves like this.
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Cohen can't take over soon enough.
1. it's a short-term, short money contract
2. it means they Mets are spending money on bullpen and defense
He's regressed dramatically since his CY season, but he'd be the 4/5 starter here.
Pretty nice spin rates Dan!
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MLB scout on Jake Marisnick: “You want to go with defense in center field and Lagares was going backwards a lot. This guy is not a savior by any means. He will have a good day here and there. But at least he’s a legitimate guy that can run balls down in the gaps and throw.”
I'm not enthused by this move but it makes sense - and Beltran is likely familiar with him.
More broadly I'm disappointed because I'd have really pushed to add a true GG caliber defender up the middle at either CF or C though, and obviously options are dwindling after Grandal signed. Cain seems like the only other guy who fits that criteria out there and who knows if he's available. Plus his age is risky.
There are rumors that Atlanta is shopping Inciarte. They have both of their top CF prospects in AAA so they are willing to move Inciarte who is coming off his worst season. Injuries are likely the cause for his struggles but the Braves would be selling low.
I was hoping we could add another lefty to the rotation as matz is so mind bogglingly inconsistent but they are hard to come by.
I was hoping we could add another lefty to the rotation as matz is so mind bogglingly inconsistent but they are hard to come by.
Torrag,
He's really not. Porcello posted a 4.76 FIP last season and has a 4.45 FIP over his last 3. That's 79th in the league behind Jesse Chavez. There is significant evidence pointing to him headed in the wrong direction.
Hopefully this puts to rest the absurd Marte rumors and assures Nimmo to be in CF where he belongs.
Would have loved Shogo for this spot, but this is likely just as good. The 5th OF will almost never play on this team but we still need late inning D.
Now go get Castro, Keuchel, Betances, and Brach!
Hopefully this puts to rest the absurd Marte rumors and assures Nimmo to be in CF where he belongs.
Would have loved Shogo for this spot, but this is likely just as good. The 5th OF will almost never play on this team but we still need late inning D.
Now go get Castro, Keuchel, Betances, and Brach!
Blake Taylor is "insanely old"? He was 23 this past season and finished the year in AAA. He was 1.3 years YOUNGER than the league in the EL this season and .1 years older than the FSL.
Jacob Resnick
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I’m not losing sleep over Blake Taylor but he was touching 97 once he moved to the bullpen and has a high-spin breaking ball. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a role in Houston’s ‘pen before the end of the year.
Not that SWR/Kay were lesser knowns but I truly believe the Stroman trade is going to ultimately end up looking as bad as the Kelenic trade unless he goes on to resign and way outperform Wheeler over the next few years (which at this point would seem unlikely). Just so pointless.
That sounds good to me. I would do it even if Donaldson was brought back. Lowrie would be great insurance if Riley isn’t ready for the full time 3B job. There have been some rumblings that they might consider moving Dansby Swanson which would allow Albies to move back to SS but that would open a hole at 2B with no prospect ready for at least a year. Lowrie could split time with Camargo in that scenario.
Jake Marisnick on Shallow Fly Balls
Opportunities* 78
Plays Made 59
Expected Plays Made 50
Plays Above Expected 9**
* Balls with Catch Probability >0%
** T-2nd among CF
And a little bonus nugget from this article on Maldonado - who the cheating genius' have acquired twice at the deadline, ended up getting paid less than we paid TDA for a couple months last year, and is a FA again right now.
Behind the plate, the Astros split between Martin Maldonado and Robinson Chirinos. Maldonado is Cole’s personal catcher and could start if the Astros use a bullpen game again. Maldonado has a reputation of being one of the best defensive catchers in the game. He ranked among the best pitch blockers this season and is typically one of the leaders in pitch framing and basestealing deterrence, though he was just a smidge above average in both this season.
Cole’s fine with that. He has a 1.30 ERA and a nearly 8-to-1 strikeout-to-walk ratio in the 90 1/3 innings Maldonado has caught him.
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I agree. Another wtf move.
This one was on the Athletic behind paywall.
Ranking the best defensive outfields in baseball right now ($) - ( New Window )
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if you guys don't get Donaldson back, maybe a Lowrie for Inciarte swap makes sense? I believe $ is similar.
That sounds good to me. I would do it even if Donaldson was brought back. Lowrie would be great insurance if Riley isn’t ready for the full time 3B job. There have been some rumblings that they might consider moving Dansby Swanson which would allow Albies to move back to SS but that would open a hole at 2B with no prospect ready for at least a year. Lowrie could split time with Camargo in that scenario.
Too bad we didn't consummate it before BVW decided to trade for Marsinek. I'd possibly still take Inciarte though. Give him a shot in CF every day with Nimmo/JDD in LF and Conforto in RF (Mcneil at 3B). Marsinek can still mix in against lefties.
Not that SWR/Kay were lesser knowns but I truly believe the Stroman trade is going to ultimately end up looking as bad as the Kelenic trade unless he goes on to resign and way outperform Wheeler over the next few years (which at this point would seem unlikely). Just so pointless.
I tend to agree but Kay is a flyball pitcher and Peterson is a ground ball pitcher. I think BVW is really emphasizing ground ball pitchers as a way of countering HR.
That said, nothing that will be done one free agent side will tamper my happiness over the Cohen news. The end is finally in sight if we have to ruin this current window due to financial cheapness yet again so be it.
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MLB scout on Jake Marisnick: “You want to go with defense in center field and Lagares was going backwards a lot. This guy is not a savior by any means. He will have a good day here and there. But at least he’s a legitimate guy that can run balls down in the gaps and throw.”
I'm not enthused by this move but it makes sense - and Beltran is likely familiar with him.
More broadly I'm disappointed because I'd have really pushed to add a true GG caliber defender up the middle at either CF or C though, and obviously options are dwindling after Grandal signed. Cain seems like the only other guy who fits that criteria out there and who knows if he's available. Plus his age is risky.
There are rumors that Atlanta is shopping Inciarte. They have both of their top CF prospects in AAA so they are willing to move Inciarte who is coming off his worst season. Injuries are likely the cause for his struggles but the Braves would be selling low.
There is no way the Braves are trading Inciarte to the mets.