Wagner had the league with the view they lost 120 million over the past 2 years and were nearing their debt limit. If they really blame attendance (2.4 million) then really this was inevitable. Fans don't pack the stadium for "okay" rosters and okay rosters don't cosistently win. 2018 the team was terrible, 2019 they didn't make additions fans come out to see (36 year old Cano and a closer). Winning the season before and big additions pique fan interest.
Exactly - so let's look at the timeline.
2015 - enter season with a bottom 10 payroll, go to WS, make $$.
2016 - payroll remained flat, got a WC game, presumably made even more money selling off 2015 and having a competitive season.
2017 - payroll finally increased to league average after 5 years of declining payrolls (though it was lower factoring in the insurance money). When the season went south the GM made comments about "proving to ownership that they could save money at the deadline" if things don't work out. Signs of fragile finances emerge again.
2018 - offseason started with the GM talking about making improvements like Lorenzo Cain, then the payroll remained flat. Undersold assets at deadline to save $. We now know they were staring down huge losses again.
2019 - offseason started by hiring a "creative" and media savy GM to "go for it" and putting Robinson Cano's carcass on the future credit card in exchange for saving money in the present. And they gave up talent (kelenic) instead of spending $ on a deep FA class of rp. Didn't work, no playoffs, no fan enthusiasm for 2020, no money to spend.
Which brings us to the present day where we've now heard they lost $100+ plus the past 2 years (2018-2019), they have no money to spend, and very little hope of competing in a division that has the WS champs and division winner spending more than them, plus the Phillies.
Wilpon's were at the debt limit and staring down another $60m+ loss in 2020. They finally did the only logical thing and bailed.
that jersey is clean - they should never change it again Â
says teams expect Treinan to sign in the next few days.
Seems like the type of guy we'd want to gamble on. Have a feeling he's doing to end up with more guaranteed $$$ than people think. A bit concerning that OAK let him go, they tend to have good scouts.
Can't wait till the Mets deal Lowrie and cash to the A's for nothing and he ends up rebounding and putting up a 3.5 WAR season with the Mets footing the bill.
if he sticks on an active roster all season. He does not have Jesus Flores upside IMO.
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New Post: Mets May Lose Shervyen Newton In Rule 5 Draft http://metsminors.net/?p=38526 #Mets
Yes he is young (will still be 20 years old on Opening Day), but that is a gamble that I would make if I were the Mets as he hit .209 with strikeouts in 32.86% of his AB's in the South Atlantic League. If the Mets had an open spot I would have liked to have seen them gamble on Sterling Sharp from the Washington Nationals in the Rule 5 Draft. He has posted some extreme ground ball tendencies in the minors and, unlike most Rule 5 arms, he hasn't completely bombed as a starter so far.
@JackCurryYES
Betances is likely to sign 1-year deal to boost his value after a lost 2019. Yanks have engaged w/ him. Keep an eye on Tampa Bay, too. Also, FWIW, one of Beltran’s friends held a congratulatory dinner after he got the Mets job. The only active player who attended was Betances.
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@JonHeyman
Sergio Romo is drawing significant interest: a’s, twins, marlins, phillies, Red Sox, perhaps even giants, where Romo won rings and closed out 2012 Workd Series. Deal likely will come at meetings.
NY Daily News Sports
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As record deals whiz by, it increasingly seems like Mets will remain inactive at Winter Meetings https://trib.al/iRbp2qG
@deeshathosar
"It increasingly seems like, this time around, their prized offseason possession was Beltran. Even though the Mets like their roster heading into the 2020 season, that spells trouble for the still-obvious holes that need mending. Van Wagenen is sure to use the next four days in San Diego to his advantage, but only time will tell if he’s willing to pull the trigger or stay put and bet on the team he already has.
" Link - ( New Window )
Wilpons aren't going to spend until deal with Cohen is agreed to Â
the MLB approval is a formality but I'd imagine things are basically frozen until after that deal gets agreed unless they are revenue neutral. So maybe there's a dom smith trade or another Brach-level signing.
I'd almost rather that though then force a move that doesn't leverage the entire might of the big market team we may finally become under Cohen - like Porcello. Why waste decent money on him when we will soon be able to hopefully spend more on a player who could really make an impact here? Like Bumgarner or Keuchel or whoever.
Shwartz
Multiple sources have told me that the #Mets are going to be signing a reliever very soon. The group includes Daniel Hudson, Dellin Betances, Will Harris, and Blake Treinen. More to come.
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Van Wagenen said the Mets were interested in bringing Wheeler back, but "the value for investment didn't line up." Team got out when "the price point was going beyond how we valued him."
We all figured this out here but on MMO many posters doubted this: Â
BVW: "we traded for Marcus Stroman because we saw that starting pitching was going to be expensive and difficult to acquire, so we tried to get out ahead of that"
Reporter: "Did you see the trade for Stroman as the replacement for Wheeler"
Michael Mayer
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The biggest takeaway from the Brodie Van Wagenen press conference was that the Mets are looking at “depth,” certainly didn’t sound like a GM that is allowed to do anything but bottom feed.
the timing of the ownership change is clearly going to impact things Â
when deals of this magnitude are the finish line the desperately selling party just isn't going to outlay cash they won't get back. Once there's an agreement things will change and getting rid of the wilponzis is the best reason i can think of to have to bottom feed for a few more months. We've been used to it for 20 years, a few more months won't be the end of the world.
It does suck that of course this is the year everything is happening early.
big moves, but I also know the Mets have holes, and dumpster diving doesn't close the gap (on paper) at least to win the division.
Going in to april with the goal of the wild card has to change. "come and get us" needs to be real.
the Mets need:
a starting pitcher
two bullpen arms (not dumpster dives, but legit arms)
probably an every day CFer
a defensive catcher
right now (and I realize it's December 9, so I'm not freaking out) the Mets are probably 4th in the division.
There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add. They'd have to trade off Conforto or Nimmo to even entertain it IMO. We mostly agree with the rest though.
@TimBritton
Replying to @TimBritton
Who is the starting third baseman? Van Wagenen: "We'll have to see how spring training goes. I think the beauty of our roster is that we do have versatility which gives us a variety of options based on health, performance and best lineup configurations."
@Jacob_Resnick
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The #Mets’ official 2020 home jersey, as announced by @Nike
this morning:
Exactly - so let's look at the timeline.
2015 - enter season with a bottom 10 payroll, go to WS, make $$.
2016 - payroll remained flat, got a WC game, presumably made even more money selling off 2015 and having a competitive season.
2017 - payroll finally increased to league average after 5 years of declining payrolls (though it was lower factoring in the insurance money). When the season went south the GM made comments about "proving to ownership that they could save money at the deadline" if things don't work out. Signs of fragile finances emerge again.
2018 - offseason started with the GM talking about making improvements like Lorenzo Cain, then the payroll remained flat. Undersold assets at deadline to save $. We now know they were staring down huge losses again.
2019 - offseason started by hiring a "creative" and media savy GM to "go for it" and putting Robinson Cano's carcass on the future credit card in exchange for saving money in the present. And they gave up talent (kelenic) instead of spending $ on a deep FA class of rp. Didn't work, no playoffs, no fan enthusiasm for 2020, no money to spend.
Which brings us to the present day where we've now heard they lost $100+ plus the past 2 years (2018-2019), they have no money to spend, and very little hope of competing in a division that has the WS champs and division winner spending more than them, plus the Phillies.
Wilpon's were at the debt limit and staring down another $60m+ loss in 2020. They finally did the only logical thing and bailed.
Seems like the type of guy we'd want to gamble on. Have a feeling he's doing to end up with more guaranteed $$$ than people think. A bit concerning that OAK let him go, they tend to have good scouts.
Can't wait till the Mets deal Lowrie and cash to the A's for nothing and he ends up rebounding and putting up a 3.5 WAR season with the Mets footing the bill.
@Mets_Minors
New Post: Mets May Lose Shervyen Newton In Rule 5 Draft http://metsminors.net/?p=38526 #Mets
Yankees seem like a good bet.
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Treinen
Yankees seem like a good bet.
Unless he's willing to get paid with Shake Shack the mets seem like a bad bet until there's a more official agreement reached with Cohen.
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@Mets_Minors
New Post: Mets May Lose Shervyen Newton In Rule 5 Draft http://metsminors.net/?p=38526 #Mets
Yes he is young (will still be 20 years old on Opening Day), but that is a gamble that I would make if I were the Mets as he hit .209 with strikeouts in 32.86% of his AB's in the South Atlantic League. If the Mets had an open spot I would have liked to have seen them gamble on Sterling Sharp from the Washington Nationals in the Rule 5 Draft. He has posted some extreme ground ball tendencies in the minors and, unlike most Rule 5 arms, he hasn't completely bombed as a starter so far.
These massive SP contracts in FA almost always end up bad. Sherzer probably the only exception.
Betances is likely to sign 1-year deal to boost his value after a lost 2019. Yanks have engaged w/ him. Keep an eye on Tampa Bay, too. Also, FWIW, one of Beltran’s friends held a congratulatory dinner after he got the Mets job. The only active player who attended was Betances.
These massive SP contracts in FA almost always end up bad. Sherzer probably the only exception.
Makes JDG's contract extension look like an absolute bargain right now.
@SotoC803
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If the Nationals use the same deferral terms as Strasburg's last contract.
(7 deferral years, 2.824% discount rate)
The contract will end up counting for 7 yr/$230.8M resulting in an AAV of $32.975M.
Betances
Lugo
Diaz
Wilson
Familia
Gsellman
McHugh
Jon Heyman
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@JonHeyman
Sergio Romo is drawing significant interest: a’s, twins, marlins, phillies, Red Sox, perhaps even giants, where Romo won rings and closed out 2012 Workd Series. Deal likely will come at meetings.
@NYDNSports
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53m
As record deals whiz by, it increasingly seems like Mets will remain inactive at Winter Meetings https://trib.al/iRbp2qG
@deeshathosar
"It increasingly seems like, this time around, their prized offseason possession was Beltran. Even though the Mets like their roster heading into the 2020 season, that spells trouble for the still-obvious holes that need mending. Van Wagenen is sure to use the next four days in San Diego to his advantage, but only time will tell if he’s willing to pull the trigger or stay put and bet on the team he already has.
"
Link - ( New Window )
I'd almost rather that though then force a move that doesn't leverage the entire might of the big market team we may finally become under Cohen - like Porcello. Why waste decent money on him when we will soon be able to hopefully spend more on a player who could really make an impact here? Like Bumgarner or Keuchel or whoever.
@PeteAbe
Couple of #RedSox items;
* They are actively trying to trade Jackie Bradley Jr. and were engaged with the Mets before they turned to Marisnick.
* Sox are not actively involved with any of their free agents (Holt, Porcello, etc) beyond keeping tabs on them.
6:55 PM · Dec 9, 2019·TweetDeck
Van Wagenen said priorities are rotation depth, bullpen depth then next positional depth, perhaps a backup catcher #Mets.
Multiple sources have told me that the #Mets are going to be signing a reliever very soon. The group includes Daniel Hudson, Dellin Betances, Will Harris, and Blake Treinen. More to come.
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@TimBritton
Van Wagenen said the Mets were interested in bringing Wheeler back, but "the value for investment didn't line up." Team got out when "the price point was going beyond how we valued him."
Reporter: "Did you see the trade for Stroman as the replacement for Wheeler"
BVW: "I did"
Ill still take him simply because he was pretty solid for 3-4 years before his big 2018.
Certainly not paying him top dollars or anything but he looks like a worthy gamble.
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
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The biggest takeaway from the Brodie Van Wagenen press conference was that the Mets are looking at “depth,” certainly didn’t sound like a GM that is allowed to do anything but bottom feed.
It does suck that of course this is the year everything is happening early.
Phillies added Wheeler
Braves added Hamels, plus
Nats won the world series and retained strasburg
even the Marlins added
here is what our GM says:
@SNYtv
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"We have a lot of our needs already filled"
Phillies added Wheeler
Braves added Hamels, plus
Nats won the world series and retained strasburg
even the Marlins added
here is what our GM says:
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@SNYtv
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"We have a lot of our needs already filled"
I wouldnt go that far. Nats are about to lose Rendon. Braves added Hamels but is he better than Keuchel and Teheren? What if they lose Donaldson?
Lot of offseason left.
Probably wouldnt be smart for Brody to kick off his exact strategy at the start of the meetings.
But I also definitely dont think we are spending big coin. We are still a LT team and were never likely going over it by much if at all.
Give me Betances, Gio, Castro. All those guys should get 1-2 year deals and be fairly cheap.
Going in to april with the goal of the wild card has to change. "come and get us" needs to be real.
the Mets need:
a starting pitcher
two bullpen arms (not dumpster dives, but legit arms)
probably an every day CFer
a defensive catcher
right now (and I realize it's December 9, so I'm not freaking out) the Mets are probably 4th in the division.
Going in to april with the goal of the wild card has to change. "come and get us" needs to be real.
the Mets need:
a starting pitcher
two bullpen arms (not dumpster dives, but legit arms)
probably an every day CFer
a defensive catcher
right now (and I realize it's December 9, so I'm not freaking out) the Mets are probably 4th in the division.
There is no way they are going out and getting a CF. Marisinick was the CF they wanted to add. They'd have to trade off Conforto or Nimmo to even entertain it IMO. We mostly agree with the rest though.
Probably wouldnt be smart for Brody to kick off his exact strategy at the start of the meetings.
But I also definitely dont think we are spending big coin. We are still a LT team and were never likely going over it by much if at all.
Give me Betances, Gio, Castro. All those guys should get 1-2 year deals and be fairly cheap.
Are you Jeff Wilpon?
Replying to @TimBritton
Who is the starting third baseman? Van Wagenen: "We'll have to see how spring training goes. I think the beauty of our roster is that we do have versatility which gives us a variety of options based on health, performance and best lineup configurations."
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But we do have a few holes to fill. Backend SP'r. Another reliever, possibly two. Backup C.
Probably wouldnt be smart for Brody to kick off his exact strategy at the start of the meetings.
But I also definitely dont think we are spending big coin. We are still a LT team and were never likely going over it by much if at all.
Give me Betances, Gio, Castro. All those guys should get 1-2 year deals and be fairly cheap.
Are you Jeff Wilpon?
Why you dont think those guys help us?