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Torrag : 12/5/2019 7:08 pm
Quinn wants more shots. Being too fine and looking for the perfect play too often. Kakko to PP unit 1 tonight.
columbus breaks through 1-0  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 7:34 pm : link
They've been carrying the play throughout. Atkinson beat Georgiev.
Rangers tie it 1-1 with :08 seconds in the period  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 7:47 pm : link
Lemieux from Mika and Kakko.

Hope it jump starts us because we were outclassed and outshot 18-5 before that. Couldn't handle columbus pressure and physicality.
TORTS ABOUT TO CROAK!  
Anakim : 12/5/2019 8:13 pm : link
FIRE!
Trouba breaks the tie 2-1 rangers  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 8:23 pm : link
Bump from the goal and winning faceoffs early in the second propelling the rangers. Playing much better now.
3-1!  
Anakim : 12/5/2019 8:30 pm : link
Panarin burn his old team. What passes by Howden and Tony Dee.
Bread man strikes against his old club from D'angelo  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 8:32 pm : link
Rangers have been opportunistic with 3 goals on 16 shots. Torts brain is imploding as we speak.
columbus brings pressure late in the second...  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 8:41 pm : link
and will open the 3rd with a huge PP but Rangers protect the 2 goal lead for now. Geoergiev with 28 saves.
Rangers PK kill unit kills the PP to open the 3rd ...  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 9:02 pm : link
See how the young guns play here in a big spot.
3-2  
Torrag : 12/5/2019 9:10 pm : link
I thought they interfered with georgiev but they lost the review. Typical BS.
Managed to Miss It  
Percy : 12/5/2019 9:14 pm : link
Until this period. The goalie interference thing was dopey -- but they staved of the Jackets in the resulting PP! Great skating up and down by both teams. Georgiev has been, ahem, great!
Other Teams  
Percy : 12/5/2019 9:25 pm : link
I like the Blue Jackets for reasons not clear to me. Want to beat 'em, but like 'em, you know?
Tripping  
Percy : 12/5/2019 9:29 pm : link
Really? That was tripping?
Wow  
Anakim : 12/5/2019 9:30 pm : link
Georgiev is fucking standing on his head. That was an incredible save.
This game was won because of Georgiev  
Anakim : 12/5/2019 9:34 pm : link
Period. We didn't deserve to get 2 points from this game, but Georgiev was absolutely amazing.
RE: This game was won because of Georgiev  
Percy : 12/5/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14704649 Anakim said:
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Period. We didn't deserve to get 2 points from this game, but Georgiev was absolutely amazing.

Looked exactly like that to me, late as was. Maybe there should be serious reconsideration of the idea of trading him. Tonight he was unbeatable pretty much. Many many shots on, only two in.
Trade him while his value is  
xman : 12/5/2019 9:39 pm : link
soaring. Trade trade trade
Holy shit  
Giantophile : 12/5/2019 9:41 pm : link
GEORGIEV. Sensational performance, he could play another 10 seasons and not have a game that good. Wow.
Even when they win, they get destroyed in possession  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2019 9:44 pm : link
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RE: Trade him while his value is  
Anakim : 12/5/2019 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14704654 xman said:
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soaring. Trade trade trade


That's how I feel as well. And I would look to trade Strome. Their values will never be higher.
RE: Even when they win, they get destroyed in possession  
Percy : 12/5/2019 9:46 pm : link
In comment 14704666 Greg from LI said:
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Two shots in the third. Two?That's it?
Yep, that was it  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2019 10:54 pm : link
I'd like to to know how many of their wins came despite being outshot by 10+.
Jesus shot differential just gets worse and worse...  
Torrag : 12/6/2019 12:37 am : link
even when the HC makes it a point of emphasis in practice the day before. Our netminder stole two points for us tonight.

Georgiev is going to be s very good goalie  
Vanzetti : 12/6/2019 1:47 am : link
Still a little inconsistent right now but he will be a starter in this league

Too bad Rangers will likely trade him, and only get pennies on the dollar
RE: Georgiev is going to be s very good goalie  
Jay in Toronto : 12/6/2019 6:05 am : link
In comment 14704790 Vanzetti said:
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Still a little inconsistent right now but he will be a starter in this league

Too bad Rangers will likely trade him, and only get pennies on the dollar


I don't think pennies on the dollar has to be.

Hopefully more than one team should be interested. The Leafs are crazy if they aren't.
Glad Torrag started NYR thread, at last  
ColHowPepper : 12/6/2019 8:57 am : link
Georgiev is actually younger than Shestyorkin by about 45 days.

Breadman, for sure, but how can you not continue to like Lemieux, who brings what he's got every night. Afterthought and unwanted here when he came last season.

Size and physicality is going to be an issue for this team going forward, esp. as it gets later in the season with teams jockeying for SCP position. And I'm not talking about this season, but seasons to come. A bit of a puzzle, because you don't want to mess with or diminish the skating, passing, creative talent.
Them winning games while being dominated  
Giants in 07 : 12/6/2019 9:56 am : link
in possession is a positive in my eyes, especially for a young team with many players simply trying to find their way in the league.

This is a tough group that's improving and I'm encouraged by the fact that they won this game tonight
or last night, rather.  
Giants in 07 : 12/6/2019 9:57 am : link
Expecting better play tonight though.
RE: Them winning games while being dominated  
Anakim : 12/6/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14704961 Giants in 07 said:
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in possession is a positive in my eyes, especially for a young team with many players simply trying to find their way in the league.

This is a tough group that's improving and I'm encouraged by the fact that they won this game tonight


Last night's game reminded me of many Rangers games we've seen in the past where the Rangers dominate on offense, but the opposing team's backup goalie stands on his head and beats us.
RE: RE: Them winning games while being dominated  
Giants in 07 : 12/6/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14704967 Anakim said:
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In comment 14704961 Giants in 07 said:


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in possession is a positive in my eyes, especially for a young team with many players simply trying to find their way in the league.

This is a tough group that's improving and I'm encouraged by the fact that they won this game tonight



Last night's game reminded me of many Rangers games we've seen in the past where the Rangers dominate on offense, but the opposing team's backup goalie stands on his head and beats us.


That's a great point. Good to be on the winning side of those kind of games for a change
Valiquette on Georgiev  
ColHowPepper : 12/6/2019 10:31 am : link
really good....give me Rogie Vachon any day

https://twitter.com/i/status/1202783568918962176
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Kyle in NY : 12/6/2019 10:31 am : link
It's hard to nail down the root cause of why we're getting destroyed in possession most nights. I look at the personnel on defense and I like a lot of what we have back there. There are no anchors as long as Staal out. We finally have a group with 3-4 guys that can skate and move the puck from the back end. But we have prolonged stretches where we simply cannot get the puck out.

We seem to struggle badly against the cycle, maybe some of it is some weakness down the middle at center. A lot of young forwards still figuring out how to play in their own zone too. But ultimately some of this has to be systems/coaching based, the defense has been consistently poor under Lindy Ruff. Trouba (who I still think has been solid) sees his metrics plummet upon coming over here, but I doubt he's much different as a player than he was a few months back. So where's the disconnect?

The skill up front is good enough where they can still win despite the shot differential because they take their chances well. But I can't help but feeling like they shouldn't be getting crushed in possession each night.
All of that said  
Kyle in NY : 12/6/2019 10:34 am : link
it's different than in the last few years with AV where we had aspirations for the Cup and we knew that winning this way was a bad sign for potential playoff success.

I don't really care how a young team finds wins because it's all part of the process and learning experience. But I'm just a bit baffled by it.
Kyle, good post  
ColHowPepper : 12/6/2019 10:43 am : link
and maybe I'm stuck on this, but it seems to me part of it is that, aside from Trouba, we're not very (physically) powerful in the back lines: Fox, slender and young, Lindgren has some size and muscle but really young, D'A not a powerhouse. Skjei should have presence but he seems to disappear. Size and inexperience.

And seems to me that teams are scouting this in NYR: ever since the first Ottawa game a couple of weeks ago, the first 4-1 game, a young, relatively inexperienced team focused on checking and physicality, and other teams, seeing the positive results, have followed suit
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Kyle in NY : 12/6/2019 10:53 am : link
Agreed there, we can get pushed around a bit along the wall and below the faceoff dots. Teams get the cycle working and that lack of size on D can be exposed. CBJ is a big physical team that was able to take advantage of that. Thankfully we took their best player and they're really lacking skill this season so they can't bury chances despite that puck possession, plus Georgie played phenomenal.

Trouba is the only one really equipped to handle that type of game, as you mentioned. I was at the game last night and thought he played great. He makes a lot of subtle effective plays, I'm glad we have him. I do think Skeji's game has come on a bit of late as well after what seemed like a two and a half season plateau.
RE: .  
Anakim : 12/6/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14705024 Kyle in NY said:
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But ultimately some of this has to be systems/coaching based, the defense has been consistently poor under Lindy Ruff. Trouba (who I still think has been solid) sees his metrics plummet upon coming over here, but I doubt he's much different as a player than he was a few months back. So where's the disconnect?


You said it, not me
I agree with the sentiment  
ShockNRoll : 12/6/2019 11:15 am : link
that this is a difficult team to assess, as to why they struggle in the areas they do. Trouba, Skjei, Tony, Fox, Lindgren are all good players. I know their skill sets are more geared toward what happens when they have the puck and not their abilities without the puck, but I can't pinpoint what the issue truly is. Is it as Kyle said that the forwards are letting easy entry and subsequent possession into the zone? I feel like between Mika, Kreider, Fast, Panarin, Strome that these are competent two way players. I have even seen an improvement in Chytil's ability in his own end this year. Is it that other teams are taking advantage of guys like Kakko who is clearly learning, and Buchnevich who doesn't excel in that facet of the game, and that these guys become the focus? Or is it the systemic issue we have all discussed with Ruff? My hope is that it is an experience and team chemistry issue, and that we have a ton of young players who don't have a ton of experience playing together, and that they will improve as the year progresses.

Either way, Georgiev stealing 2 points last night was incredible, despite 87...EIGHTY SEVEN shot attempts by Columbus. The two saves he made on Bjorkstrand in the first and third were save of the year candidates, particularly the one in the third period. I hope we can take advantage of a beat up Montreal team tonight, who is now without Drouin and Kotkaniemi.
We have to play with more jam and muscle in our own end  
Torrag : 12/6/2019 12:27 pm : link
We're weak on the boards and on the cycle. Some of that is just youth and guys on both defense and the wing needing to get stronger and smarter which will come organically.

Patience is difficult because we do see the potential of what we can be. It's going to take time to come together. Probably more than just this season. Playoffs are a legit goal though based on our offense, goaltending and team effort. These guys are playing hard and working hard.
Hajek out 3-4 weeks with knee sprain  
Mad Mike : 12/6/2019 5:20 pm : link
from last night.
lonk - ( New Window )
Losing Hajek hurts  
Torrag : 12/6/2019 5:44 pm : link
We're thin on the blueline and the next man up is probably Staal who can't skate anymore.
RE: Hajek out 3-4 weeks with knee sprain  
Anakim : 12/6/2019 5:52 pm : link
In comment 14705596 Mad Mike said:
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from last night. lonk - ( New Window )



I was afraid of that. He did like a split on the ice and then hobbled off.


That means Staal is back in, unfortunately.
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