Raanan podcast- insightful interview with Jonathan Cassilas

Are calling San Fran a " power running team". I believe Shanny ran lots of outside zone runs at Falcons and used that to set up all sorts of roll outs etc.

And it's been said that they invested much $ in rbs.

Instantness in the run game, done well,. If one can run on 3rd and 8 from your own 30, that changes your pass protection outlook radically and allows you to pass.

Patriots or Packers. Good luck with that. It's a narrow and narrowing list if unit coaches that can pull that off.

Didn't the shurm come from the Vikings?

This year, Vikings ran ten runs in a row vs the cowboys. Scoring. TEN!

And won.

That sheds light on what the vikes staff really looked like.

Run for 9 from your 30 on 3rd and 8.

Your pass efforts will then be very high risk.

Be willing to punt if need be. It's a long game.

But if you fail to prepare for such your qb is getting killed.

It's shortsighted and pretentious

Here's a good article. They didn't trade and pay a boatload of money to JG for nothing.
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/sports/niners/9363613-181/grant-cohn-defining-kyle-shanahans - ( New Window )

You can win by passing the ball.

It's ideal to have balance, but sometimes teams are better suited for one or another.

The worst idea you can commit to is being stubborn that one style of play wins games and not adjusting to your talent level and opponents.

The Cassilas interview touches on this: part of Belichik's genius is that he changes the game plan based on the opponent every week. There is no "system" that has to be run continuously, there is no "you win by running the ball and stopping the run" philosophy. You win based on the opponent and players you have available, whether that means running or passing 50 times.

and didn't get the job.

as initially seemed. But a few things --benching Eli was not a terrible idea, but for Geno Smith instead of Webb is ridiculous. His loosing the locker room to that degree alone is reason to fire. He was not any good at play calling lacked any innovation and use of same personnel was really bad. He also had a lot of poor personnel judgements especially on the Oline where imprvements seemed to come only when his guys got injured and backups came in and outperformed. Add all of that up and hard to see how we could have ever had sustained success with a guy with so many flwas in such a short period.

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In comment 14704758 broadbandz said: Quote: drafted Webb and Bisnowaty and ran his own shadow group at the senior bowl. No wonder our drafts sucked for 10 yrs. Chris Mara heads up pro personnel. He's not drafting shit and a shadow group? Delete your handle, root for a new sport and read literally any book. You are too stupid to live.

Came back just now to read through the comments on this thread I posted last night. Can't get past you telling someone they're too stupid to live, are a fucking idiot, etc. just for chiming in on the podcast. WTF is wrong w/ you man? Get a grip, maybe take a few laps outside and then go settle in on the Giants.com MB. Pisses me off you used my thread to treat somebody like shit.

In comment 14705084 UberAlias said:

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as initially seemed. But a few things --benching Eli was not a terrible idea, but for Geno Smith instead of Webb is ridiculous. His loosing the locker room to that degree alone is reason to fire. He was not any good at play calling lacked any innovation and use of same personnel was really bad. He also had a lot of poor personnel judgements especially on the Oline where imprvements seemed to come only when his guys got injured and backups came in and outperformed. Add all of that up and hard to see how we could have ever had sustained success with a guy with so many flwas in such a short period.

I don't know why people have such a hard time understanding the decision to go to Geno Smith. It wasn't benching Eli because Eli was better, and it wasn't because Geno was a strategic option at QB. It was because they wanted to see the offense with someone different at QB - namely, someone more mobile.

Webb was a rookie third string QB with limited practice time. Smith, good or bad, had starting experience in the NFL and was the second string QB. If you were going to start someone to see if the offensive performance would be different, why on Earth would you put in Webb?

He may be right, he may be wrong, but that's what he says. No need to go off on broadbandz for noting what was said. The article quoted above about the 2015 draft and the Derby seems to confirm by Mara's own words that he is involved in player selection in the draft.

Ranaan also points out that it's hard to fire family, that's why you don't put them in those positions to begin with. A depressing thought. What Chris Mara should do is step aside, but I suppose there's no chance of that. Chris Mara is as much an owner as John Mara.

In comment 14705009 Lambuth_Special said:

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You can win by passing the ball. It's ideal to have balance, but sometimes teams are better suited for one or another. The worst idea you can commit to is being stubborn that one style of play wins games and not adjusting to your talent level and opponents. The Cassilas interview touches on this: part of Belichik's genius is that he changes the game plan based on the opponent every week. There is no "system" that has to be run continuously, there is no "you win by running the ball and stopping the run" philosophy. You win based on the opponent and players you have available, whether that means running or passing 50 times.

That sounds easier than it is to execute.

Coaches have egos. Perhaps bigger egos than the players themselves. They believe what they do in terms of their scheme and philosophy is what makes things go. The players are nothing more than pieces.

The utopia is to have the great coach who plays to the strengths of his roster. But how many actually do that? You can probably count them on one hands the truly great coaches who have done that over the last century.

When the team sucks ass running the stuff the coach is calling, rarely do some of the coaches blame it on their system, but rather, the players not executing. We see it here with Shurmur and before him, and with other guys in the past. Why do they do that? Because their ego won't allow them to think any other way.

Should they come to their senses? You would think so. But most coaches would rather run into a wall failing with their system than seek other alternatives.

The truly great ones check themselves and their egos and are willing to be flexible. This is why I love John Harbaugh for what he has done last year and this season.

were terrible picks.

as were the geremy davis and mykkele thompson picks.

chris mara was apparently responsible for all of these picks, or at least they were his recommendations. i don't like raanan much, but i don't think he's just making this up.

what a mess. chris mara is the one exerting the most influence on day two draft picks? before he leaves to watch the horses? seriously? chris mara should fuck off to kentucky to bet on the horses forever. i don't want him anywhere near the draft room.

this reads like a fucking onion article.

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It has nothing to do with the WCO. The league favors passing - the rules are all built that way. The linemen coming out of college aren't road graders anymore - they're all from spread offenses. Trying to build a team focused on running the ball and defense in this era just complicates matters. Use the rules and the talent to their strengths and to your advantage.

It is true that offenses are spreading out, and OL need to be more athletic and quicker. That said, so do defensive front 7's. So there is some merit to zigging while other teams zag.

As defenses get smaller and quicker to handle spreads, why not try a smash mouth approach? Bigger OL, tighter line splits, run it down their throats.

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In comment 14704971 jcn56 said: Quote: It has nothing to do with the WCO. The league favors passing - the rules are all built that way. The linemen coming out of college aren't road graders anymore - they're all from spread offenses. Trying to build a team focused on running the ball and defense in this era just complicates matters. Use the rules and the talent to their strengths and to your advantage. It is true that offenses are spreading out, and OL need to be more athletic and quicker. That said, so do defensive front 7's. So there is some merit to zigging while other teams zag. As defenses get smaller and quicker to handle spreads, why not try a smash mouth approach? Bigger OL, tighter line splits, run it down their throats.

My guess - lack of availability of quality players capable of executing well enough for it to work. I'm sure the same thought has dawned on other teams, there are an awful lot of scouting and coaching staff spread across the other 31 teams. They probably never went to the drawing board with it because they figured it was either too hard to pull off or it was just easier to follow the trend with what's available.

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bisnowaty is currently out of the league. he spent one year on the giants. most of it on the practice squad.

i realize it was a 6th rounder (trade up), but the broader point is that chris mara doesn't seem to have an eye for talent. in fact- the opposite. he seems to suck at his job.

It's a matter of coordination.

You look at this team, the one thing that strikes you is that they don't seem to be on the same page. You question whether they have an identity. They seem disorganized and unprepared.

It starts at the top - if the senior levels of the org aren't on the same page when it comes to drafting players, there's going to be a trickle down effect that impacts the rest of the org.

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reportedly left the draft in the 5th round to watch the Kentucky Derby? So we know he had at least some input in the draft process. The debate isn't 'is he involved?', but 'how much is he involved?'

The fact was that he was at the draft suggests he has some input in the process.

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It wasn't clear then, but he was right about Eli, and the locker room was filled with shit. We'd have been better off starting over with him than what we actually did.

He was wrong in that he thought geno Smith was or ever would be a better qb than Eli. That decision was stupid. The way the entire thing was handled was stupid and he had lost the team prior to that.

And I saw someone else say mcadoo and excellent in the same sentence. Mcadoo did NOTHING excellent as HC here. NOTHING. He led a terrible offense, his, and didn’t get in the way of a great defense in 2016. Then he did get in the way and the team fell apart on the field and off it faster than shit through a goose.

Never should have hired mcadoo in the first place. Let’s just get that out if it it hasn’t been said already.

With a player and slot him a round or two higher than he deserves. Then they feel brilliant when they trade up. They have never understood that they aren’t smarter than other teams. They need to let the graft come to them.

Although not dramatic, It happened with Collins and it happened this year with the #3 first round pick. As a result, they give away draft picks.

Hilarious.

The guy was a boob. The team even knew he was a boob and gave him the positions anyway: they were trying to hire an assistant HC to prop him up. And then they went out and spent 100 million in defensive players to try and buck him up. He still fucked it up. Clown.

Raanan is a shit stirring asshole. He doesn’t know nearly as much as he thinks he does and he sounds like a moron.

is a bit misleading. Season was lost - to some degree, they wanted to see how good the guys were behind Eli. No run game, poor pass protection - mobile QB might have given them more of a chance.

I will repeat this over and over again
Chris Mara ws appointed VP of Player personnel right after 2011 Super bowl
which was the last time this franchise was strong
since then GM 2 Head Coaches and multiple players have left organization and yet Chris Mara still has a job