There is a chance he played his last snap this year so 10 games in do you guys have confidence in the pick?
Positives
Love the accuracy
The arm
The behaviour and thougness
Negatives
The fumbles obviously although I think they were some improvements last game seems to have two hands on the ball more.
Interceptions feel like he threw a lot of passes that should have been intercepted and got a little lucky on that front, to be seen.
Unknown
Ability to diagnose the defense and change the play at the line.
We don't know how much freedom he has.
Maybe we will find out more if the running game is better with Eli in.
Overall
B+ for a rookie I'm impressed he has some qualities you can't teach.
So there may be an interesting dilemma impending.
So there may be an interesting dilemma impending.
That's where I'm at - if 2020 is abysmal and we have a chance at Lawrence, or maybe even Fields, with another high pick, I think that makes Jones very expendable...
He holds onto the ball to long, but that's correctable.
He doesn't have a rocket arm, but his ball placement and timing is excellent. He's made some holy sh-t! throws, too.
He is not a run first guy, but can definitely move the chains with his legs in a big spot.
I've seen enough to feel pretty confident that he'll be a solid starter for us under our new head coach.
Phil Simms - as a veteran QB - turned the ball over at a record pace in 1985 via fumbles. He was coughing it up anytime he was touched in the pocket. Center exchanges were an adventure. It turned out to be an outlier.
As we get into next year, and it keeps happening (assuming the OL is a tad better!), then it's an issue.
Hard to feel like we know anything for sure given his rookie status and the fact that the team and the coaching staff suck beyond comprehension.
If you told me we were going to get a good coach next year and start to build a decent team, then I am happy to have DJ as my starter and see him grow into the position over the next couple of years.
I would like to see him use his feet more (designed runs, roll outs), build on his excellent accuracy and obviously, cut down on the TOs (by at least half).
I suspect at his best he will be a 30-35 TD/ 15 INT guy (maybe with another 2-4 running TD's)... I can accept that if we are playing solid D and have a strong running game to boot.
Oh, and all of this was done when he was missing at least one of Barkley, Engram, Shepard, or Tate. And a horrible OL. And a coach we all believe should be (and likely will be) fired. Coaching matters, and if we get a good coach or OC in here, DJ will likely improve by leaps and bounds.
Yes, he has fumbled way too often, but people who have examined this have said that 5 of his 10 lost fumbles were not his fault. Does he need to get through progressions faster? Yes. But he is a rookie; it's absurd to expect him to have played much better given the adversity he's faced. I'm not really sure what people expected? 20 TDs and 2 INTs? People here want perfection, which is impossible for anyone, let alone a rookie.
Hard to feel like we know anything for sure given his rookie status and the fact that the team and the coaching staff suck beyond comprehension.
If you told me we were going to get a good coach next year and start to build a decent team, then I am happy to have DJ as my starter and see him grow into the position over the next couple of years.
I would like to see him use his feet more (designed runs, roll outs), build on his excellent accuracy and obviously, cut down on the TOs (by at least half).
I suspect at his best he will be a 30-35 TD/ 15 INT guy (maybe with another 2-4 running TD's)... I can accept that if we are playing solid D and have a strong running game to boot.
He is 30 and 15 this year if you expand his stats to 16 games. So, are you saying this is the best we are ever going to get from him? Possible, but I severely doubt it.
Pros:
Touch
Anticipation
Mobility
Smarts
Toughness
Cons:
Pocket Awareness & Clock too slow
Sometimes tries to do too much
Careless with the football
Medium arm-strength
To me, the pros greatly outweigh the cons. Like has been said previously, Jones is playing on a 2-10 team with a below average offensive line, 2-3 weapons missing each game, and his best weapon, Barkley has been hobbled and not his normal self since coming back in Week 7. All while playing with a horrific defense.
Sign me up for this kid to take us into the future.
Re: INT's, he is already at 11 in 10 games plus the multiple fumbles... maybe I should say 15-18 total TO's over a 16 game season.
that would be improvement over what we've seen currently. But I do think he will always be prone to TO's to some extent.
(I am always amazed when I see some other QB's who throw 2-5 INTs in a season... we haven't experienced that in a long time as Giants fans)
If Jones has that gunslinger attitude, keeping it intact w/o letting become a negative is the challenge.
It was discussed a week ago on the Weds Media Tweets thread. But The Giants Huddle podcast had DJ on that week, and he himself said he has the ability to check out of a play. Whether he has carte blanche is a different question.
He's talking and walking like a great student. The Great Part about that is the probability that his Pre Snap will take huge leaps. This O Line looked competitive early on. Maybe they're threadbare, but they're running at Fronts when they're outnumbered. They're off assignment on plays when they have more blockers than defenders. Is it Halapio?...Is it Jones?
Empowered with the recognition and abiility to change plays, a bit of experience to throw some balls away to get to the next down, and some work on Ball Security---- He's is a good spot to make great advancement next year.
Fix the fucking OL. I don’t want anymore excuses. Giants spent big draft resources on jones and Barkley. Perhaps they should build a proper offense around those two instead of trying to fix every little piece on every unit. Fix the OL above all else. Turn something on this god forsaken team into a strength. The most talented players on this team are the rb and qb. Build around them. Protect them.
He's made some absolutely beautiful throws. He's made some absolutely horrible throws.
I love the mobility. I like the fact that he appears to be mentally tough. It could not have been easy to block out all the post-draft negative comments regarding his selection.
I, like most, am most concerned about the turnovers. Can the fumbling issue and pocket awareness be corrected via better coaching? I'm not so sure. His current TD to INT ratio is misleading. He's very lucky to have only 11 INTs on his record at this time. In just the last 2 games, there were 4 passes that should have been intercepted and they were simply dropped. There were a number of these in previous games as well. I'm not talking bad throws where they *could* have been picked off. Every QB has those. I'm talking passes that were outright dropped by the defenders.
If you watch a player like Rodgers or Mahomes, they have significant velocity on their throws which makes it tougher for defensive players to get into position in time to make a play. Jones hasn't displayed have that kind of arm talent.
I like him as a player but his ceiling is somewhat limited based on his physical tools. If we build a good team around him I think he can be a winner but I don't see him every being an elite QB in the league.
That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.
I don't often see eye to eye with Josh in the City, but the above assessment and grade are pretty fair and to my eyes accurate.
But I strongly disagree that his lack of physical tools, I guess Josh thinks that's his arm strength, is what limits his ceiling. Think of his upside as a bigger Joe Montana. What he needs to improve on to get there is mostly mental processing and awareness. Really, it's ALL MENTAL and spatial awareness and reading defenses accurately and quickly.
Hard to know if he can develop those skills to that level.
Fix the fucking OL. I don’t want anymore excuses. Giants spent big draft resources on jones and Barkley. Perhaps they should build a proper offense around those two instead of trying to fix every little piece on every unit. Fix the OL above all else. Turn something on this god forsaken team into a strength. The most talented players on this team are the rb and qb. Build around them. Protect them.
We can win with him is a low bar. Unless the Giants change the way they design their roster, they need more.
He is accurate, that's innate. His throws were really off last game, which I think had to do with his leg being hurt. Throws a nice spiral which does help make up for lack of arm strength, especially in windy scenarios.
I wonder if he has Kerry Collins' lack of awareness in the pocket, not sure if that can really be coached out.
I don't remember who said this, but with his skill set and accuracy, I do see a Drew Brees like upside. If he can get a decent OL, I think he can have a excellent TD/INT ratio, he's that accurate. If he can move smartly in the pocket, he can be a huge asset.
Huge ifs though.
What did Parcells used to say.
And my deep dive is that he's very unlikely to get to .500 for his career
What did Parcells used to say.
And my deep dive is that he's very unlikely to get to .500 for his career
WTF? Been into the bottle tonight? I think Jones can flip that in a hurry if the Giants put a defense together, and I think they are close to achieving that. Especially if they land Chase Young, an above average free safety, and an upgrade over Tree.