for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

How do we rank Daniel Jones season as it might be finished.

simgiant : 12/6/2019 8:27 am
There is a chance he played his last snap this year so 10 games in do you guys have confidence in the pick?

Positives
Love the accuracy
The arm
The behaviour and thougness

Negatives
The fumbles obviously although I think they were some improvements last game seems to have two hands on the ball more.
Interceptions feel like he threw a lot of passes that should have been intercepted and got a little lucky on that front, to be seen.

Unknown
Ability to diagnose the defense and change the play at the line.
We don't know how much freedom he has.
Maybe we will find out more if the running game is better with Eli in.

Overall
B+ for a rookie I'm impressed he has some qualities you can't teach.


Pages: 1 2 <<Prev | Show All |
I Could See Him  
lax counsel : 12/6/2019 12:20 pm : link
Taking a big Carson Wentz style step forward in year two or a Baker Mayfield regression. I think it will be dependent on coach and talent improvement as much as his own personal growth.
re: ''moving on''  
Overseer : 12/6/2019 12:20 pm : link
The Giants are a bottom 3 worst team in the NFL. They will be awful again in 2020 when the best QB since Luck (T Lawrence) will enter the draft. Added benefit of +2 years of a rookie contract.

So there may be an interesting dilemma impending.

RE: re: ''moving on''  
bw in dc : 12/6/2019 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14705194 Overseer said:
Quote:
The Giants are a bottom 3 worst team in the NFL. They will be awful again in 2020 when the best QB since Luck (T Lawrence) will enter the draft. Added benefit of +2 years of a rookie contract.

So there may be an interesting dilemma impending.


That's where I'm at - if 2020 is abysmal and we have a chance at Lawrence, or maybe even Fields, with another high pick, I think that makes Jones very expendable...
RE: Fix the o-line and you'll fix the fumble....  
Thegratefulhead : 12/6/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14704914 Britt in VA said:
Quote:
or at least cut them by 3/4.

He holds onto the ball to long, but that's correctable.

He doesn't have a rocket arm, but his ball placement and timing is excellent. He's made some holy sh-t! throws, too.

He is not a run first guy, but can definitely move the chains with his legs in a big spot.

I've seen enough to feel pretty confident that he'll be a solid starter for us under our new head coach.
Agree
Terps...  
BillKo : 12/6/2019 1:30 pm : link
..I don't you can call the pocket awareness and turnovers/fumbles a huge issue at this point in regards to his future success. It's his first year.

Phil Simms - as a veteran QB - turned the ball over at a record pace in 1985 via fumbles. He was coughing it up anytime he was touched in the pocket. Center exchanges were an adventure. It turned out to be an outlier.

As we get into next year, and it keeps happening (assuming the OL is a tad better!), then it's an issue.
Incomplete  
LG in NYC : 12/6/2019 1:49 pm : link
Lots to like, lots to hope get better.

Hard to feel like we know anything for sure given his rookie status and the fact that the team and the coaching staff suck beyond comprehension.

If you told me we were going to get a good coach next year and start to build a decent team, then I am happy to have DJ as my starter and see him grow into the position over the next couple of years.

I would like to see him use his feet more (designed runs, roll outs), build on his excellent accuracy and obviously, cut down on the TOs (by at least half).
I suspect at his best he will be a 30-35 TD/ 15 INT guy (maybe with another 2-4 running TD's)... I can accept that if we are playing solid D and have a strong running game to boot.
I Can't Believe Some of the Criticism Here  
Giants38 : 12/6/2019 1:55 pm : link
The guy is a rookie who thrown 18 TDs and 11 INTs. 6 of those INTs occurred in two games (against the Patriots and Packers), in bad conditions and with good secondaries. Against the Packers, the last two picks were at least somewhat a result of the high ankle sprain he played through. At one point he went 110 consecutive passes without an INT. He threw at least one TD in each of his starts, which either tied or broke the rookie record.

Oh, and all of this was done when he was missing at least one of Barkley, Engram, Shepard, or Tate. And a horrible OL. And a coach we all believe should be (and likely will be) fired. Coaching matters, and if we get a good coach or OC in here, DJ will likely improve by leaps and bounds.

Yes, he has fumbled way too often, but people who have examined this have said that 5 of his 10 lost fumbles were not his fault. Does he need to get through progressions faster? Yes. But he is a rookie; it's absurd to expect him to have played much better given the adversity he's faced. I'm not really sure what people expected? 20 TDs and 2 INTs? People here want perfection, which is impossible for anyone, let alone a rookie.
RE: Incomplete  
Essex : 12/6/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14705317 LG in NYC said:
Quote:
Lots to like, lots to hope get better.

Hard to feel like we know anything for sure given his rookie status and the fact that the team and the coaching staff suck beyond comprehension.

If you told me we were going to get a good coach next year and start to build a decent team, then I am happy to have DJ as my starter and see him grow into the position over the next couple of years.

I would like to see him use his feet more (designed runs, roll outs), build on his excellent accuracy and obviously, cut down on the TOs (by at least half).
I suspect at his best he will be a 30-35 TD/ 15 INT guy (maybe with another 2-4 running TD's)... I can accept that if we are playing solid D and have a strong running game to boot.

He is 30 and 15 this year if you expand his stats to 16 games. So, are you saying this is the best we are ever going to get from him? Possible, but I severely doubt it.
If NYG somehow changes the GM  
JonC : 12/6/2019 2:07 pm : link
and the new GM goes QB in 2020 or 2021, that's exactly the scenario I warn against when you take a stab at a QB high in the draft against what appeared to be a consensus of his value. Granted, the consensus can be wrong and I'm inline with the consensus on DJ. I'll be damned angry if they pick another QB high in the next few drafts.
A solid B+ for me  
gmen9892 : 12/6/2019 2:25 pm : link
I have seen a lot of things I like. There are several things he can work on, but the things he does well are traits that very good QBs had.

Pros:
Touch
Anticipation
Mobility
Smarts
Toughness

Cons:
Pocket Awareness & Clock too slow
Sometimes tries to do too much
Careless with the football
Medium arm-strength

To me, the pros greatly outweigh the cons. Like has been said previously, Jones is playing on a 2-10 team with a below average offensive line, 2-3 weapons missing each game, and his best weapon, Barkley has been hobbled and not his normal self since coming back in Week 7. All while playing with a horrific defense.

Sign me up for this kid to take us into the future.
Essex  
LG in NYC : 12/6/2019 2:27 pm : link
From a TD standpoint, I doubt he goes much beyond what I stated... which at the top end is almost 40 TD's responsible for.

Re: INT's, he is already at 11 in 10 games plus the multiple fumbles... maybe I should say 15-18 total TO's over a 16 game season.

that would be improvement over what we've seen currently. But I do think he will always be prone to TO's to some extent.
(I am always amazed when I see some other QB's who throw 2-5 INTs in a season... we haven't experienced that in a long time as Giants fans)
wrong again bw  
BigBlueCane : 12/6/2019 3:08 pm : link
Eli's tendency to take chances are why he was a nemesis for Brady and Little Bill. Its the same reason Farve was able to carve up that record setting Ravens Defense the year after they won the SB and destroyed Fassel.

If Jones has that gunslinger attitude, keeping it intact w/o letting become a negative is the challenge.
RE: I keep seeing  
Diver_Down : 12/6/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14704938 Giant Fan Dan said:
Quote:
it mentioned that Jones might not have permission to change the play at the line or change OL assignments etc... Has it been talked about by the coaches or DJ or anyone that that's the case? I would expect this far into the season, and since he's supposed to be such an intelligent QB, that the whole playbook and all the audibles are available to him at this point. I'm not saying it's not true, but I do think it'd be concerning if he wasn't trusted to do his full job after 5 or 6 weeks running the show...


It was discussed a week ago on the Weds Media Tweets thread. But The Giants Huddle podcast had DJ on that week, and he himself said he has the ability to check out of a play. Whether he has carte blanche is a different question.
Honest  
Carl in CT : 12/6/2019 3:20 pm : link
I’d take him over Murray and Haskins. I’d agree with the B- against rest of QBs in league as far as rookies A- with a big future. Happy.
Manning’s as rookies  
Carl in CT : 12/6/2019 3:23 pm : link
Peyton had 28 ints and Eli had 9 in 6 1/2 games. Jury still out.
I think he’s a very solid QB for us through his rookie deal  
Sean : 12/6/2019 9:40 pm : link
Has he warranted a second contract? I’m not convinced.
A  
Rafflee : 12/7/2019 6:28 am : link
Jones has pretty much answered every Physical Question with really solid marks.

He's talking and walking like a great student. The Great Part about that is the probability that his Pre Snap will take huge leaps. This O Line looked competitive early on. Maybe they're threadbare, but they're running at Fronts when they're outnumbered. They're off assignment on plays when they have more blockers than defenders. Is it Halapio?...Is it Jones?

Empowered with the recognition and abiility to change plays, a bit of experience to throw some balls away to get to the next down, and some work on Ball Security---- He's is a good spot to make great advancement next year.

We can win with jones  
djm : 12/7/2019 11:46 am : link
And we can lose with jones. Sounds familiar.

Fix the fucking OL. I don’t want anymore excuses. Giants spent big draft resources on jones and Barkley. Perhaps they should build a proper offense around those two instead of trying to fix every little piece on every unit. Fix the OL above all else. Turn something on this god forsaken team into a strength. The most talented players on this team are the rb and qb. Build around them. Protect them.
Meh  
Default : 12/7/2019 12:10 pm : link
I do think most of you guys giving him an A would be giving him an F if he had the same stat lines on a different team.
I Give Him a C  
BlueVinnie : 12/7/2019 12:20 pm : link
There's things to like, there's things not to like.

He's made some absolutely beautiful throws. He's made some absolutely horrible throws.

I love the mobility. I like the fact that he appears to be mentally tough. It could not have been easy to block out all the post-draft negative comments regarding his selection.

I, like most, am most concerned about the turnovers. Can the fumbling issue and pocket awareness be corrected via better coaching? I'm not so sure. His current TD to INT ratio is misleading. He's very lucky to have only 11 INTs on his record at this time. In just the last 2 games, there were 4 passes that should have been intercepted and they were simply dropped. There were a number of these in previous games as well. I'm not talking bad throws where they *could* have been picked off. Every QB has those. I'm talking passes that were outright dropped by the defenders.
RE: B- or C+  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/7/2019 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14704987 Josh in the City said:
Quote:
He throws a nice deep ball, pretty good athleticism, and seems to have an ability to anticipate routes and throw the ball into tight spaces based on where the receiver SHOULD be. I do believe he will improve the turnovers but will likely always struggle with it somewhat. However, his pocket awareness is abysmal and his arm strength is nothing more than average (ie: not talking about his ability to throw the ball far, more about the zip he has on his typical throws).

If you watch a player like Rodgers or Mahomes, they have significant velocity on their throws which makes it tougher for defensive players to get into position in time to make a play. Jones hasn't displayed have that kind of arm talent.

I like him as a player but his ceiling is somewhat limited based on his physical tools. If we build a good team around him I think he can be a winner but I don't see him every being an elite QB in the league.

That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.


I don't often see eye to eye with Josh in the City, but the above assessment and grade are pretty fair and to my eyes accurate.

But I strongly disagree that his lack of physical tools, I guess Josh thinks that's his arm strength, is what limits his ceiling. Think of his upside as a bigger Joe Montana. What he needs to improve on to get there is mostly mental processing and awareness. Really, it's ALL MENTAL and spatial awareness and reading defenses accurately and quickly.

Hard to know if he can develop those skills to that level.
RE: We can win with jones  
Go Terps : 12/7/2019 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14706146 djm said:
Quote:
And we can lose with jones. Sounds familiar.

Fix the fucking OL. I don’t want anymore excuses. Giants spent big draft resources on jones and Barkley. Perhaps they should build a proper offense around those two instead of trying to fix every little piece on every unit. Fix the OL above all else. Turn something on this god forsaken team into a strength. The most talented players on this team are the rb and qb. Build around them. Protect them.


We can win with him is a low bar. Unless the Giants change the way they design their roster, they need more.
I think he has earned another year  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/7/2019 4:43 pm : link
so whatever that grade looks like, B-?

He is accurate, that's innate. His throws were really off last game, which I think had to do with his leg being hurt. Throws a nice spiral which does help make up for lack of arm strength, especially in windy scenarios.

I wonder if he has Kerry Collins' lack of awareness in the pocket, not sure if that can really be coached out.

I don't remember who said this, but with his skill set and accuracy, I do see a Drew Brees like upside. If he can get a decent OL, I think he can have a excellent TD/INT ratio, he's that accurate. If he can move smartly in the pocket, he can be a huge asset.

Huge ifs though.
I think he's 2-8.  
WideRight : 12/8/2019 2:02 am : link

What did Parcells used to say.

And my deep dive is that he's very unlikely to get to .500 for his career
RE: I think he's 2-8.  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/8/2019 2:30 am : link
In comment 14706745 WideRight said:
Quote:

What did Parcells used to say.

And my deep dive is that he's very unlikely to get to .500 for his career


WTF? Been into the bottle tonight? I think Jones can flip that in a hurry if the Giants put a defense together, and I think they are close to achieving that. Especially if they land Chase Young, an above average free safety, and an upgrade over Tree.
Pages: 1 2 <<Prev | Show All |
Back to the Corner