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since1925 : 12/6/2019 9:49 am
I remember opening night this season. The media had placed the Cowboys somewhere between the '67 Packers and '27 Yankees. The organization, the talent, it was all systems go. The only question that needed to be answered was who were they going to beat in the Super Bowl. It was pukefest of love.

My most cherished image of this year's Cowboy season will be Jason Whitten melting down on the sideline in Chicago. I can't read minds but he had to be thinking - I came back for this?

It has been tough following the G-men this year. But there is one thing we can all count on. The Cowboy hype machine won't miss a beat. Next year it will be reassembled shiny and new. Then it will crash into a mountain at 600 miles per hour. And there is nothing wrong with a little schadenfraude.


Unbelievable that with four games to play...  
Dan in the Springs : 12/6/2019 9:52 am : link
the Giants, at 2-10 are 3.5 games out and (I believe) have yet to be eliminated from the playoffs.
RE: Unbelievable that with four games to play...  
Jints in Carolina : 12/6/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14704949 Dan in the Springs said:
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the Giants, at 2-10 are 3.5 games out and (I believe) have yet to be eliminated from the playoffs.


we're eliminated...how pathetic is that
This is great and all...  
FranknWeezer : 12/6/2019 9:54 am : link
...but we need to hope they don't fall 'upward' and after canning Garrett, wind up with a Lincoln Riley or some sort paired with that roster.
Cowboys should be much better...  
BillKo : 12/6/2019 9:55 am : link
....roster has talent everywhere.

I like Jason Garrett, but he's made a mistake having some young guys in key coaching roles I think. And that's only on him.

He's getting fired.......even if they make the playoffs and win a game.

Interestingly, next week's game doesn't mean much to some extent, they need to beat Philly whether they are one up, even, or one back. They need to sweep Philly because Philly owns the tiebreakers of common opponents.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/6/2019 9:57 am : link
I posted this before, but every time I hit the gym, no matter what time it is in the morning, FS1 is ALWAYS talking Cowboys. It's basically a Cowboys channel.
What’s crazy is after this week, they are still at worst  
mfsd : 12/6/2019 10:02 am : link
tied for 1st in the NFC East.

It’s depressing not only that we suck, but we are the worst team in what’s turning out to be one of the worst divisions in recent NFL memory
Hmmm...  
Dan in the Springs : 12/6/2019 10:04 am : link
must be through tie-breakers then? Consider this unlikely but possible outcome:

Dal: 6-7
LA (L)
@ PHI (L)
WAS (L)
Final record: 6-10

Phi: 5-7
NYG (L)
@ WAS (L)
DAL (W)
@ NYG (L)
Final record: 6-10

Was: 3-9
@ GB (W)
PHI (W)
NYG (L)
@ DAL (W)
Final record: 6-10

NYG: 2-10
@ PHI (W)
MIA (W)
@ WAS (W)
PHI (W)
Final record: 6-10

Would be ugly if it fell this way and we missed out on the playoffs in a four-way tie for first.
probably the worst the NFC East has been...  
BillKo : 12/6/2019 10:06 am : link
.......Dallas underachieving big time. Eagles overrated some and trending downward, and then there's us and the Skins.

Pretty weak. But someone is getting a home playoff game.
The Giants  
ray in arlington : 12/6/2019 10:07 am : link
have been mathematically eliminated.
RE: Hmmm...  
Scyber : 12/6/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14704978 Dan in the Springs said:
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must be through tie-breakers then? Consider this unlikely but possible outcome:

Would be ugly if it fell this way and we missed out on the playoffs in a four-way tie for first.


Dallas beat us twice, so they will always come out ahead of us when the tiebreakers get to head to head. The giants could finish 2nd in the division based on tie breakers, but never first.
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Banks : 12/6/2019 10:16 am : link
in other years when we were called the NFC Least we at least had 1 good team among a competitive team or 2. This year may be the worst the NFC east has ever been. The cowboys have lost 7 of the last 10 games and are still in first. That's just nuts. What's worse is we could have been in contention. The jets, lions, bears, and cards games were very winnable.
Regarding Prescott, I mentioned this in the game thread last night,  
barens : 12/6/2019 10:19 am : link
but it somehow got erased. But Prescott every single game(with the exception of the games without Tyron Smith), has all day to throw the ball. It's amazing how often he throws the ball and doesn't even get hit. With Jones and Eli, I see a pocket that is constantly collapsing. And that is the case with most QB's around the league. That offensive line is just ridiculous.

In itself, the DAL sweep would not be enough  
ray in arlington : 12/6/2019 10:23 am : link
but the fact that they have a win over PHI as well avoids the situation where there is a 3-way tie and DAL sweeps NYG, NYG sweeps PHI and PHI sweeps DAL.

Just to make clear that being swept by a team doesn't mean you lose any tiebreak involving them.

To be precise, the Giants cannot win a 2-way tie with DAL
because of the DAL sweep.

They can't win the 3-way tie with DAL and PHI because DAL would be 3-1 in this head-to-head group and the giants would be 2-2.

Same applies to 3-way tie with DAL and WAS.

In the 4-way tie we'd go to the division record and NYG and DAL would be 4-2 and PHI and WAS would be 2-4. This reverts
to the head-to-head which is taken by DAL.




















I just don't want to open next season  
Chip : 12/6/2019 10:41 am : link
at Dallas
sorry  
ray in arlington : 12/6/2019 10:44 am : link
the 2-way tie with DAL is actually not possible (because PHI would have beaten DAL). So that shouldn't be there.
I posted this on the game thread...  
rnargi : 12/6/2019 11:07 am : link
...it's impossible for the media not to have a hype machine for the Cowboys. They do it EVERY year. I can't believe how much press a team with so little success over the past 25 years has received. Here's my take...and I don't think it's going to change until Jerrah is gone:

In the early 90s when Jimmy was coaching the Cowboys,
the team embodied a confidence that was reflective of Jimmy. They expected to win. To dominate. They were a good football team, though irritating to watch from the perspective of a non-fan because they had the attitude, "it ain't bragging if you can back it up".

It's obvious that this Cowboy 'attitude' never left in their down years and when other coaches not as brash as Jimmy have been in Dallas, and that includes the Tuna. Jerrah wanted to be 'the man', and he and his 'attitude' has permeated this bunch like a weak but omnipresent, annoying stench ever since Jimmy left.

Players go to the Cowboys as if their going to a country club or the red carpet, to be celebrated. They assume they're winners without putting in the effort. We've seen this time and time again. While talented for years, they have always lacked mental toughness. While capable, they've always assumed more than they've earned.

This team is a not, in essence, a 'team'. It hasn't been since Jimmy left. Jimmy is the last real coach to hold them accountable. That's Jerry's fault. Even the Tuna knew he wasn't the man, but who could fault him for taking the money?

Arrogance humbled. Again, and again, and again.

What a waste of talent because of misplaced hubris.
The extra good news about the Cowboys  
since1925 : 12/6/2019 11:17 am : link
They have to pay Zak and Cooper after this season. While the deals will be cap friendly in year one, we can count on Jerruh overpaying (he always does). The Boyz should be at the top of the pay scale for QB, WR and RB for the next five years. All while Zak looks less and less like a guy who can get it done and Cooper looks like an injury waiting to happen. I suspect both will underachieve the next few years.
The funny part  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 12/6/2019 11:18 am : link
in all of this is how you guys never, ever consider the possibility that their roster just isn't as talented as you think it is.

No matter how many times they lose you rave about their talent level as if you are Cowboys fans, and as if it was proven.
RE: The funny part  
rnargi : 12/6/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14705075 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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in all of this is how you guys never, ever consider the possibility that their roster just isn't as talented as you think it is.

No matter how many times they lose you rave about their talent level as if you are Cowboys fans, and as if it was proven.


I disagree with you sharply here. What player at what position right now would you keep on the Giants vs their counterpart on the Cowboys? Maybe SB over EE? Even that's a tough choice. The Cowboys have talent. Loads of it. They are not a team. They are a group of individuals playing a team game. They read their press. They don't work as hard as other teams and it shows. It has for two decades.
To be fair, they did play us opening day...  
penkap75 : 12/6/2019 11:25 am : link
And our D makes every team look like the '67 Packers.
RE: The extra good news about the Cowboys  
gmenatlarge : 12/6/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14705074 since1925 said:
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They have to pay Zak and Cooper after this season. While the deals will be cap friendly in year one, we can count on Jerruh overpaying (he always does). The Boyz should be at the top of the pay scale for QB, WR and RB for the next five years. All while Zak looks less and less like a guy who can get it done and Cooper looks like an injury waiting to happen. I suspect both will underachieve the next few years.


With every start Dak is costing himself money, at the beginning of the year it was $30M per year, now I 'm doubtful he will get half that and maybe even lose his job.
RE: The Giants  
Daniel in MI : 12/6/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14704984 ray in arlington said:
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have been mathematically eliminated.


So,...you're saying there's a chance!
RE: The funny part  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/6/2019 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14705075 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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in all of this is how you guys never, ever consider the possibility that their roster just isn't as talented as you think it is.

No matter how many times they lose you rave about their talent level as if you are Cowboys fans, and as if it was proven.


Agree. Their 2007 was a much better team. Romo/Dak, better D and OL in 2007, Ownes/Cooper, Young Witten/Old Witen
RE: ...  
BigBlueShock : 12/6/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14704962 Eric from BBI said:
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I posted this before, but every time I hit the gym, no matter what time it is in the morning, FS1 is ALWAYS talking Cowboys. It's basically a Cowboys channel.

It’s ESPN too. You can’t get away from it. I have no idea which team even curb stomped the Pukes last night because they haven’t mentioned another team even played. It’s all about the Cowboys. 24/7. They’ve dug up every single former Cowboy on the planet again this morning to get their useless thoughts. It’s unbelievable
RE: I posted this on the game thread...  
Daniel in MI : 12/6/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14705066 rnargi said:
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...it's impossible for the media not to have a hype machine for the Cowboys. They do it EVERY year. I can't believe how much press a team with so little success over the past 25 years has received. Here's my take...and I don't think it's going to change until Jerrah is gone:


While I agree with much of this, it goes back further and beyond this. The reason Dallas gets a ton of press starts back further. They have a ton of fans all over the place. Part of the reason why was very savvy marketing. They whole "America's Team" thing is part of it. The "world famous" cheerleaders are part of it.

Moreover, when my wife was a kid in the 70s, her dad was in the military. They were posted in Europe for a long time. She said the Cowboys were often the only team they could watch there. That's a lot of kids all over the country that got that exposure. Likewise, in the 70s Dallas was quite good in the Staubach days, and they and Pittsburgh dominated the league for a while (with Pittsburgh being ultimately better).

So that's a solid base of fans that goes back to the 60s and 70s, and the "glitz, glamour" and "Americana" of the Cowboys. And of course, Texas.

Now add all the 90s stuff and success. Now add on Jerruh being a very smart marketer and strong advocate.

Just look how our 2 franchises - both storied, foundational franchises - handled the stadium rebuild. Jerry built "Jerry's World," huge, retractable dome, biggest screens anywhere right over the field, players come out through fans, the friggin' art we are forced to hear about every damned time they do a game there. It alone is a tourist attraction for fans in the area. They host bowl games, state championships, and other events there.

Then you have Met Life. Shared. Sterile. No frills. The friggin' seats are grey. The stadium is grey. The colored lights don't show up in the day. Jerry must visit the stadium and just shake his head like "what a wasted opportunity, right near the media capital of the world." The Cowboys stadium makes a fan think "huh, I could watch at home but it's pretty cool to go to the stadium." Our stadium makes even die hard fans here say "yeah, I'm giving up my PSLs and seats of 60 years to watch at home."

The media's love for the Cowboys come from Tex Schram and savvy marketing, success over time, and Jerruah's continued savvy about staying relevant.

We're lucky he's better at marketing than football.
RE: RE: The extra good news about the Cowboys  
UConn4523 : 12/6/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14705203 gmenatlarge said:
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In comment 14705074 since1925 said:


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They have to pay Zak and Cooper after this season. While the deals will be cap friendly in year one, we can count on Jerruh overpaying (he always does). The Boyz should be at the top of the pay scale for QB, WR and RB for the next five years. All while Zak looks less and less like a guy who can get it done and Cooper looks like an injury waiting to happen. I suspect both will underachieve the next few years.



With every start Dak is costing himself money, at the beginning of the year it was $30M per year, now I 'm doubtful he will get half that and maybe even lose his job.


I don't think Dak is all that but he's absolutely getting $25m+ per year. Cam Newton makes $20m per and the next highest is Dalton with $16m - he's absolutely getting more than both of them.

He's 100% getting paid and not losing his job. That said he's costing himself a bit, but not nearly as much as you think.
RE: The funny part  
BigBlueShock : 12/6/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14705075 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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in all of this is how you guys never, ever consider the possibility that their roster just isn't as talented as you think it is.

No matter how many times they lose you rave about their talent level as if you are Cowboys fans, and as if it was proven.

It’s been this way for the past 25 years. The media and BBI alike allways fawning over the Cowboys talent. Every. Single. Year. For a quarter of a century. And somehow zero Super Bowls...
I also don't agree on that talent evalution  
UConn4523 : 12/6/2019 1:11 pm : link
I think they have a top 5 roster in the NFL. They have studs on both sides of the ball and have for a while now. They come up short in coaching primarily, but also at QB where I don't think Dak has the "it" factor.

I think Dallas is more talented now than the Romo playoff teams.
This time in 2007  
jc in c-ville : 12/6/2019 2:09 pm : link
Giants were toast. Dallas does have talent so assuming they win the division , anything is possible . Though, I don’t see them rallying around JG.
Wait  
mattlawson : 12/6/2019 2:42 pm : link
If everyone else in the division loses out and we win out.... do we get in?
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