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Big Rick in FL : 12/6/2019 3:41 pm
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RE: Mike Miller named coach  
Anakim : 12/6/2019 5:42 pm : link
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Beats Mark Jackson
RE: RE: Mike Miller named coach  
BigBlueShock : 12/6/2019 5:45 pm : link
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Beats Mark Jackson

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Keith bogans also called up  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2019 5:49 pm : link
to be assistant
RE: Mike Miller joining the staff this season  
Giantfan21 : 12/6/2019 5:52 pm : link
In comment 14705621 bceagle05 said:
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was the first sign that Mills was throwing Fizdale under the bus. I'm torn because I like Miller and want him to succeed, but if he does it probably buys the front office another year.


I agree im very torn about this. I want miller to docus on the young guys on the team and help their development but at the same time im worried if there is progress that mills an dperry will stick around into next year and beyond.

I dont know what to root for at this point
Dolan is a lousy owner but  
PhilSimms15 : 12/6/2019 5:55 pm : link
he has pretty much been hands off since Phil Jackson. But Mills, he is the real culprit.

Knick Record in Mills's first six seasons with team: 183-309 (one playoff appearance)

Steve Mills leaves in 2009 to join Magic Johnson Enterprises

The four Knick seasons without Mills: 3 playoff appearances. In 2012-13 the Knicks finish 54-28 and beat the Celtics in Round One before losing to the NBA Champion Miami Heat.

Steve Mills returns in September 2013.
Knick Record in the next six full seasons with Mills aboard again: 163-329 (No Playoffs)

The math is easy on this one.
RE: RE: Fiz...  
nyblue56 : 12/6/2019 5:57 pm : link
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is a good coach that was handed a critically flawed roster. half the team cannot shoot. Randle is a waste of money. players can't hit foul shots. half the teams basket ball iq is in the toilet. He is a fall guy for the master minds who put this roster together.


What the hell have you ever seen from Fizdale to make you say heís a good coach?



I have watch Fiz career even before the Knicks he is a good coach. The problem with the knicks is the roster. You cannot play morris and randle at the same time, but he is force too. mishandle randle is net negative on the floor. Your best point is frank who on most nights is afraid to shoot. A streak shooter in RJ, who cannot hit a foul shot, DJ Smith who has to be the worst passing guard in the league. A collection of front court players that are not agile or fast enough to keep up with opposing 3s or 4s. A center that cannot stay out of foul trouble. What offense save for the pick and roll with mitch and iso ball can you possibly run with this collection of misfits. whoever the next coach is he needs to sit randle, have the starting 5 as frank, Dotson, RJ, Morris, and Mitch. But even with that line up you will not get much at the line or consistent shooting from the outside.
Everyone  
mitch300 : 12/6/2019 6:00 pm : link
Gets on Dolan. However, he also owns the Rangers and they seem to be going in the right direction. I do agree that Mills seems to be the problem. Yes itís Dolan that needs to fire Mills and hire someone who knows wtf there doing.
Since Van Gundy  
Joey from GlenCove : 12/6/2019 6:08 pm : link
resigned in 2001. The knicks have had the below coaches. James Dolan took over in 1999

Don Chaney
Herb (1)
Lenny Wilkens
Herb (2)
Larry Brown
Isiah Thomas
Mike D'Antoni
Mike Woodson
Derek Fisher
Kurt Rambis
Jeff Hornacek
David Fizzle

and

Mike Miller
Heís a Scapegoat  
Samiam : 12/6/2019 6:17 pm : link
He deserves to be let go but so Mills and Perry as well. In fact, of the 3, heís probably the least at fault. Heard the other day on Bill Simmons podcast, that almost every free agent brought in, with the exception of Morris and someone else, have 2 year contracts not 1 year as originally reported. So weíre left with a team for this year and next that have significant numbers of veteran players who will be playing for the next contract as opposed to playing the kids. Weíre still losing but the kids are sharing time with the veterans. Plus, when they traded Porzingis to Dallas, they thought that Dallas would be bad and the Knicks would get another lottery pick. Not going to happen. Fitzdale has not done a good job but whoever is in charge now and for a long time really sucks
RE: RE: RE: Fiz...  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2019 6:19 pm : link
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is a good coach that was handed a critically flawed roster. half the team cannot shoot. Randle is a waste of money. players can't hit foul shots. half the teams basket ball iq is in the toilet. He is a fall guy for the master minds who put this roster together.


What the hell have you ever seen from Fizdale to make you say heís a good coach?




I have watch Fiz career even before the Knicks he is a good coach. The problem with the knicks is the roster. You cannot play morris and randle at the same time, but he is force too. mishandle randle is net negative on the floor. Your best point is frank who on most nights is afraid to shoot. A streak shooter in RJ, who cannot hit a foul shot, DJ Smith who has to be the worst passing guard in the league. A collection of front court players that are not agile or fast enough to keep up with opposing 3s or 4s. A center that cannot stay out of foul trouble. What offense save for the pick and roll with mitch and iso ball can you possibly run with this collection of misfits. whoever the next coach is he needs to sit randle, have the starting 5 as frank, Dotson, RJ, Morris, and Mitch. But even with that line up you will not get much at the line or consistent shooting from the outside.


Whose fault is it that he built a defense around protecting the paint rather than the 3 point line?

whose fault is it that has no offensive system?

whose fault is it that he runs a stupid zone that gives up 3s and layups?

he is a horrid coach
RE: I have  
compton : 12/6/2019 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14705462 Eric from BBI said:
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no dog in this fight, but if you reposted Knicks threads on BBI from any year and just replaced the names, nothing has changed.

I guarantee you we will see this same thread in three years, just with a different name.


Yep.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Fiz...  
nyblue56 : 12/6/2019 6:40 pm : link
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is a good coach that was handed a critically flawed roster. half the team cannot shoot. Randle is a waste of money. players can't hit foul shots. half the teams basket ball iq is in the toilet. He is a fall guy for the master minds who put this roster together.


What the hell have you ever seen from Fizdale to make you say heís a good coach?




I have watch Fiz career even before the Knicks he is a good coach. The problem with the knicks is the roster. You cannot play morris and randle at the same time, but he is force too. mishandle randle is net negative on the floor. Your best point is frank who on most nights is afraid to shoot. A streak shooter in RJ, who cannot hit a foul shot, DJ Smith who has to be the worst passing guard in the league. A collection of front court players that are not agile or fast enough to keep up with opposing 3s or 4s. A center that cannot stay out of foul trouble. What offense save for the pick and roll with mitch and iso ball can you possibly run with this collection of misfits. whoever the next coach is he needs to sit randle, have the starting 5 as frank, Dotson, RJ, Morris, and Mitch. But even with that line up you will not get much at the line or consistent shooting from the outside.



Whose fault is it that he built a defense around protecting the paint rather than the 3 point line?

whose fault is it that has no offensive system?

whose fault is it that he runs a stupid zone that gives up 3s and layups?

he is a horrid coach


You can't defend the 3 with agile players who can chase and get over or under screens. None of our front court players can do that consistently. So that is a talent issue.

You can't run an effective offense with iso players like DJ, triere, randle, morris in the line up. How many turn overs are DJ, Randle, and RJ averaging per game. Hell they can't even hit foul shots. thats a talent issue.

If your front court players cannot stay with faster and more agile 3s and 4s, you might as well try a zone or switching. In the hopes that at least in the zone the other team will have work a little harder for a shot. that's a talent problem.

short of starting dotson at the 2 and keeping randle on the bench, not much will improve with any coach.
correction...  
nyblue56 : 12/6/2019 6:42 pm : link
you can't defend the 3 without agile players...
RE: Everyone  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/6/2019 6:44 pm : link
In comment 14705638 mitch300 said:
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Gets on Dolan. However, he also owns the Rangers and they seem to be going in the right direction. I do agree that Mills seems to be the problem. Yes itís Dolan that needs to fire Mills and hire someone who knows wtf there doing.

Dolan doesn't care about hockey. He leaves it alone. He interferes in basketball and thinks he has a clue. Hires yes men. And gets involved day to day.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Fiz...  
robbieballs2003 : 12/6/2019 6:46 pm : link
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is a good coach that was handed a critically flawed roster. half the team cannot shoot. Randle is a waste of money. players can't hit foul shots. half the teams basket ball iq is in the toilet. He is a fall guy for the master minds who put this roster together.


What the hell have you ever seen from Fizdale to make you say heís a good coach?




I have watch Fiz career even before the Knicks he is a good coach. The problem with the knicks is the roster. You cannot play morris and randle at the same time, but he is force too. mishandle randle is net negative on the floor. Your best point is frank who on most nights is afraid to shoot. A streak shooter in RJ, who cannot hit a foul shot, DJ Smith who has to be the worst passing guard in the league. A collection of front court players that are not agile or fast enough to keep up with opposing 3s or 4s. A center that cannot stay out of foul trouble. What offense save for the pick and roll with mitch and iso ball can you possibly run with this collection of misfits. whoever the next coach is he needs to sit randle, have the starting 5 as frank, Dotson, RJ, Morris, and Mitch. But even with that line up you will not get much at the line or consistent shooting from the outside.



Whose fault is it that he built a defense around protecting the paint rather than the 3 point line?

whose fault is it that has no offensive system?

whose fault is it that he runs a stupid zone that gives up 3s and layups?

he is a horrid coach



You can't defend the 3 with agile players who can chase and get over or under screens. None of our front court players can do that consistently. So that is a talent issue.

You can't run an effective offense with iso players like DJ, triere, randle, morris in the line up. How many turn overs are DJ, Randle, and RJ averaging per game. Hell they can't even hit foul shots. thats a talent issue.

If your front court players cannot stay with faster and more agile 3s and 4s, you might as well try a zone or switching. In the hopes that at least in the zone the other team will have work a little harder for a shot. that's a talent problem.

short of starting dotson at the 2 and keeping randle on the bench, not much will improve with any coach.


You cannot keep saying "you can't ..."

We have young kids we need to develop so, yes, he can run a fuckin offense to build their game. Saying you can't is not being a coach. Being a coach is implementing a system, developing the players within the system, and making sure it is being followed through. Saying he cannot run an offense is bullshit.
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nyblue56 : 12/6/2019 7:01 pm : link
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is a good coach that was handed a critically flawed roster. half the team cannot shoot. Randle is a waste of money. players can't hit foul shots. half the teams basket ball iq is in the toilet. He is a fall guy for the master minds who put this roster together.


What the hell have you ever seen from Fizdale to make you say heís a good coach?




I have watch Fiz career even before the Knicks he is a good coach. The problem with the knicks is the roster. You cannot play morris and randle at the same time, but he is force too. mishandle randle is net negative on the floor. Your best point is frank who on most nights is afraid to shoot. A streak shooter in RJ, who cannot hit a foul shot, DJ Smith who has to be the worst passing guard in the league. A collection of front court players that are not agile or fast enough to keep up with opposing 3s or 4s. A center that cannot stay out of foul trouble. What offense save for the pick and roll with mitch and iso ball can you possibly run with this collection of misfits. whoever the next coach is he needs to sit randle, have the starting 5 as frank, Dotson, RJ, Morris, and Mitch. But even with that line up you will not get much at the line or consistent shooting from the outside.



Whose fault is it that he built a defense around protecting the paint rather than the 3 point line?

whose fault is it that has no offensive system?

whose fault is it that he runs a stupid zone that gives up 3s and layups?

he is a horrid coach



You can't defend the 3 with agile players who can chase and get over or under screens. None of our front court players can do that consistently. So that is a talent issue.

You can't run an effective offense with iso players like DJ, triere, randle, morris in the line up. How many turn overs are DJ, Randle, and RJ averaging per game. Hell they can't even hit foul shots. thats a talent issue.

If your front court players cannot stay with faster and more agile 3s and 4s, you might as well try a zone or switching. In the hopes that at least in the zone the other team will have work a little harder for a shot. that's a talent problem.

short of starting dotson at the 2 and keeping randle on the bench, not much will improve with any coach.



You cannot keep saying "you can't ..."

We have young kids we need to develop so, yes, he can run a fuckin offense to build their game. Saying you can't is not being a coach. Being a coach is implementing a system, developing the players within the system, and making sure it is being followed through. Saying he cannot run an offense is bullshit.


He does run an offense and we have seen it in spurts but too often guys like smith , Randle, Morris opt out of the offense for iso plays. some players are very low basket IQ. That is not an issue of coaching some times it is about the players you have as well. it is a the very reason a good portion of the roster were cast offs and players other teams did not want.
So, a coach has a system  
robbieballs2003 : 12/6/2019 7:07 pm : link
Certain players don't run it and they still play a ton of minutes? Whose fault is that? Sounds like more excuses. What is his system that I have missed in spurts?
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steve in ky : 12/6/2019 7:11 pm : link
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Gets on Dolan. However, he also owns the Rangers and they seem to be going in the right direction. I do agree that Mills seems to be the problem. Yes itís Dolan that needs to fire Mills and hire someone who knows wtf there doing.


Dolan doesn't care about hockey. He leaves it alone. He interferes in basketball and thinks he has a clue. Hires yes men. And gets involved day to day.


He grew up a big hockey fan so he likely likes hockey as much if not more than basketball.
wait building a defense to protect the paint  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2019 7:14 pm : link
rather than contest 3s is the players fault?

and it is randle and gibson fault they cant guard a ppint guard or shooting guard out on the perimiter because of the constabt switching?

the nuggets were worst in the league defending the 3 a couple of years ago now they are 1st, it is scheme...

the nuggets players said they knew they could shoot any 3 they wanted because the knicks pack the paint..

that is cosching, running a zone against good 3 point shooting teams is moronic
morris guarded the top wings for boston last year  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2019 7:15 pm : link
and now he cant guard on the perimiter? stop it
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robbieballs2003 : 12/6/2019 7:17 pm : link
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Gets on Dolan. However, he also owns the Rangers and they seem to be going in the right direction. I do agree that Mills seems to be the problem. Yes itís Dolan that needs to fire Mills and hire someone who knows wtf there doing.


Dolan doesn't care about hockey. He leaves it alone. He interferes in basketball and thinks he has a clue. Hires yes men. And gets involved day to day.



He grew up a big hockey fan so he likely likes hockey as much if not more than basketball.


Liking hockey and knowing how it runs are two different things. Dolan has admitted to being more hands on with basketball because he feels he knows it better than hockey. He said he doesn't understand hockey as much hence why he takes a back seat.
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nygiants16 : 12/6/2019 7:19 pm : link
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Gets on Dolan. However, he also owns the Rangers and they seem to be going in the right direction. I do agree that Mills seems to be the problem. Yes itís Dolan that needs to fire Mills and hire someone who knows wtf there doing.


Dolan doesn't care about hockey. He leaves it alone. He interferes in basketball and thinks he has a clue. Hires yes men. And gets involved day to day.



He grew up a big hockey fan so he likely likes hockey as much if not more than basketball.



Liking hockey and knowing how it runs are two different things. Dolan has admitted to being more hands on with basketball because he feels he knows it better than hockey. He said he doesn't understand hockey as much hence why he takes a back seat.


because he hired a guy he trusted in sather and stepped back..

he has tried to do that with the knicks recently but he hires morons...
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BeckShepEli : 12/6/2019 7:39 pm : link
But please keep firing the coaches



oh by the way  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2019 7:51 pm : link
if Miller works out, you habe to thank phil
Just F'ing hire  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2019 8:00 pm : link
Ujiri. Whatever he wants.
RE: Just F'ing hire  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2019 8:07 pm : link
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Ujiri. Whatever he wants.


dont get your hopes up
RJ Barrett liked the post on instagram  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2019 8:16 pm : link
about the knicks firing Fizdale..
Steve Mills  
Jim in Fairfax : 12/6/2019 8:20 pm : link
Is bad and should go.

But itís silly to make it out like heís to blame for the failures of the Isaiah Thomas, Donnie Walsh and Phil Jackson eras.
Best thing  
MookGiants : 12/6/2019 8:26 pm : link
to ever happen to fizdale is the Knicks canning him.

He isn't the issue. He may be a shit coach, but it doesn't matter with this group. Biggest group of losers you could ever put together on a court.
RE: Best thing  
Sean : 12/6/2019 8:28 pm : link
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to ever happen to fizdale is the Knicks canning him.

He isn't the issue. He may be a shit coach, but it doesn't matter with this group. Biggest group of losers you could ever put together on a court.


This is 100% accurate. As Eric alluded to above, these same BBI posters celebrate a Knick coach firing every 2 years. Whose the next that will be fired in 2021?
Pitino would be a great fit  
Earl the goat : 12/6/2019 8:47 pm : link
For head coach here

First thing first
Trade Morris Smith. Ellington Payton Get whatever you can get

Randle to bench

Robinson
Portis
Knox
Barret
Frank

Trier first Off bench
i would be good with  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2019 8:53 pm : link
Trajan Langdan as president, becky hammond as coach..

tkme to use some of that spurs magic tree
Becky is a legit candidate  
bceagle05 : 12/6/2019 9:13 pm : link
because all Pop assistants are legit candidates, but you canít ignore the PR aspect of that hire, too. The Knicks would be immune from criticism in the short term. I brought her name up a few years ago, but she was low on the San Antonio totem pole at that point. If sheís interested iím sure sheíll get serious consideration. New York Liberty roots are a plus, too.
RE: Becky is a legit candidate  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2019 9:15 pm : link
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because all Pop assistants are legit candidates, but you canít ignore the PR aspect of that hire, too. The Knicks would be immune from criticism in the short term. I brought her name up a few years ago, but she was low on the San Antonio totem pole at that point. If sheís interested iím sure sheíll get serious consideration. New York Liberty roots are a plus, too.


alao rumors are tim duncan is the heir apparent to popovich not her
Popovich & Kerr slamming the Knicks  
Sean : 12/6/2019 9:44 pm : link
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mitch300 : 12/6/2019 9:58 pm : link
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Sean : 12/6/2019 10:00 pm : link
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nygiants16 : 12/6/2019 10:42 pm : link
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coaches do this with every coach that is fired, especially pop and kerr
Trajan Langdon??  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2019 10:46 pm : link
Fuck that fucking guy
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mfsd : 12/7/2019 12:19 am : link
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Stan Van Gundy ripped them too. And theyíre not wrong...not that Fizdale was going to last, but theyíre saying the Knicks problems start at the top
The NBA can be a real kiss league  
ghost718 : 12/7/2019 1:14 am : link
Coaches come and go,that's how it's always been in sports.But now everyone has an opinion,ready to be analyzed by the nitwits,halfwits,and dimwits.
Check that  
ghost718 : 12/7/2019 1:15 am : link
"Kiss ass league",don't want to get that wrong
RE: Popovich & Kerr slamming the Knicks  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/7/2019 3:14 am : link
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Pop's team lost 8 straight games and came into the Garden and were beating the Knicks by 25... at halftime. The effort has been bullshit and if you can't lay that at the feet of the coach, who can you blame? I know everyone in the basketball media and heck the NBA hates the Knicks, but there shouldn't be any pity parties for David Fizdale.

Fuck winning games... can you get these motherfuckers to give a competitive effort? If you can't, fuck you and there's the door.
Ugh, this feels like Mills has worked his magic again and  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/7/2019 7:25 am : link
stabbed yet another coach in the back. Thankfully, even Wooden couldnít elevate this pathetic roster heís assembled. Hopefully heís jettisoned at seasonís end.

And, oh no, how are the Knicks going to attract the marquee free agents now without one of the three stooges?
The biggest issue  
sometimeswrite : 12/7/2019 8:17 am : link
I've had with this team under Fizdale was the lack of want on the part of the players, some more than others.

To a man you have to play with a want to own those spots on the floor from baseline to baseline. Those spots should be yours not the opponents. That should be the mindset. You take those spots physically away from them either on defense or offense. You either don't bring that shit in here if you're on defense or I'm coming to take my spot on offense and if you're in my way then you will feel it. That's the thought process that has to change.

How many times just this season alone has a Knick player been at the basket, taken a little lollypop shot and it not even cleared the rim. That shot has to be taken with authority and if a defender wants to put his arm in the way then he runs the risk of injury. Go hard and send a message.

These are teachable moments...Pre team practices should start with some one on ones. Teach those that play soft to reverse that process.
Pop, Kerr, & SVG aren't running.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/7/2019 8:37 am : link
The Knicks are a F'ing joke from ownership on down. To pretend otherwise is to be willfully obtuse.
*wrong, not running  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/7/2019 8:37 am : link
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RE: Pop, Kerr, & SVG aren't running.  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2019 8:41 am : link
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The Knicks are a F'ing joke from ownership on down. To pretend otherwise is to be willfully obtuse.


they are absolutely not wrong, but do we really have to hear from them?

Knicks are a joke right now but fizdale alao did a horrible job, this team should not be 4-18, good coaches get the most out of their team and i think fizdale got less
Bring in a coach who teaches and coaches defense  
GeofromNJ : 12/7/2019 10:08 am : link
If defense is not the paramount concern, there is no sense making a change.
RE: Bring in a coach who teaches and coaches defense  
robbieballs2003 : 12/7/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14706058 GeofromNJ said:
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If defense is not the paramount concern, there is no sense making a change.


While I am not disagreeing with you, I'd rather see ball movement on offense right now. I want to see guys work to get open. I want us to play as a team. I am sick of the ball either stuck in one player's hands or just watch the ball bounce around 5 feet back of the 3 point line.
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