Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Lawrence Taylor

CMicks3110 : 12/6/2019 8:53 pm
retired when he was 34. I see there are a several elite pass rushers that have lasted to later in their 30s. Strahan, Terrell Suggs, Dwight Freeney, Julius Peppers. Was he truly done at 34? or could he have played a few more seasons?
I recall him being noticeably slower the last couple years he played  
Poktown Pete : 12/6/2019 8:57 pm : link
He wasn't special anymore, just kind of average. Then he had the blown Achilles in '92 and missed a chunk of the season. He came back in '93 for his last hurrah.

Remember how pedestrian Ray Lewis looked his last few years? No one can hang on forever. It was time for LT.
He was done at 32  
ShocktoBeck : 12/6/2019 9:00 pm : link
Didnít take care of his body like any of the guys you mentioned, plus it was a different era - the game was tougher and medical, nutrition etc Weaker. Was more difficult for players to engineer longer careers BCN then.
He beat the bejesus out of his body  
kennyd : 12/6/2019 9:00 pm : link
in many ways. After the Achilles in 92 his body was done. He has also said in interviews that he was pretty much done mentally after Parcells left. He had one hell of a run but he was definitely done.
LT was also a complete train wreck of a human  
Ben in Tampa : 12/6/2019 9:01 pm : link
Partying, drugs, prostitutes, no sleep.

Who knows how many seasons that took away from him. Guy was still the best ever! Crazy to think what else he could have done.
BCN=Back  
ShocktoBeck : 12/6/2019 9:01 pm : link
.
RE: LT was also a complete train wreck of a human  
FStubbs : 12/6/2019 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14705799 Ben in Tampa said:
Quote:
Partying, drugs, prostitutes, no sleep.

Who knows how many seasons that took away from him. Guy was still the best ever! Crazy to think what else he could have done.


And he didn't work out. Basically, he transformed the game by winging it. Imagine if he had actually taken the game seriously.
Think I heard him say in an interview  
Steve in ATL : 12/6/2019 9:10 pm : link
That he lost his passion for playing when Parcells left.
I think he has said that once Bill Parcells left  
JohnB : 12/6/2019 9:12 pm : link
so did his desire to play.
Cocaine is a helluva drug  
montanagiant : 12/6/2019 9:18 pm : link
Plus it takes a huge toll on the body
Different era.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2019 9:24 pm : link
& he was a complete maniac off the field. I saw him post his prime. My old man says he was the best defensive player he's ever seen. He's not alone.
LT was cooked  
Raultney : 12/6/2019 9:34 pm : link
and he knew it. He was crying after that 49er blowout.
For all his faults off the field, I feel somewhat privileged to have seen every game he played.
I do feel lucky that I saw his whole career as it happened  
Poktown Pete : 12/6/2019 9:37 pm : link
He wrecked not just quarterbacks but whole offenses, week after week, year after year. You knew every game he was going to do something freaky-great and sure enough, he would deliver. I've never seen anyone so dominant since.

Most of the Giant games were on CBS back then. Summerall and Madden absolutely slobbered over him. Madden had the biggest man-crush on LT. He would get so excited and would just be raving about him, it was almost comical.
RE: Cocaine is a helluva drug  
Darth Paul : 12/6/2019 9:54 pm : link
In comment 14705812 montanagiant said:
Quote:
Plus it takes a huge toll on the body


This
Today he probably wouldn't last until he was 28. With all the  
Blue21 : 12/6/2019 9:56 pm : link
different drugs to try. Everyone knew he was a partier but with social media today it would have been even more well documented with pictures on the internet etc. And with the league drug testing today he never would have gotten away with it. He was unbelievable though as a football player. My biggest memory of him is the snapping of Theisman's leg when he sacked him and LT jumping up and down and calling over to the Redskins bench to help Theisman. I'll never forget that. That was ugly.
lawrence Taylor  
nochance : 12/6/2019 9:59 pm : link
LT on the field was extremely Physical and Violent. He destroyed his body much the way Earl Campbell did as a running back. Their style of play broke down their bodies earlier than normal.
1987 All Madden Team  
St. Jimmy : 12/6/2019 10:10 pm : link
LT and Banks right off the bat.

I was looking for it but couldn't find it when they used a picture of LT taking oxygen as the picture for the Madden Team. Giants don't have anyone on the team currently who would make the Madden Team. Back then they'd have five or six.
Link - ( New Window )
No he wasn't "done"  
since1925 : 12/6/2019 10:31 pm : link
But he was nowhere near the player he had been earlier in his career. Of course, neither was anyone else in the league. But it would have been hard for him to continue as an average player.

It was probably the right time for him to retire.
RE: lawrence Taylor  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2019 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14705851 nochance said:
Quote:
LT on the field was extremely Physical and Violent. He destroyed his body much the way Earl Campbell did as a running back. Their style of play broke down their bodies earlier than normal.


There is a lot of truth to this. Part of what made Lawrence Taylor LT was a complete disregard for his own health on the field. He played like a maniac and it eventually took a toll on his abilities, couples with the fact that he never took care of himself physically.
8...  
Phatbrew : 12/6/2019 10:40 pm : link
Balls, all nighters n rape, donít help u as a player, the anti Eli...
He has been on record  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/6/2019 11:26 pm : link
He didnít like the defense they were playing in under Handley and he basically retired so he could smoke crack again.
Done?  
Marty866b : 12/7/2019 12:24 am : link
If he played today he wouldn't be any worse then some of the guys we have now. LOL.
I don't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/7/2019 12:33 am : link
know if it is true or not, but LT used to tell people he rarely lifted weights. He basically partied all of the time and just showed up and played.
RE: 8...  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/7/2019 1:06 am : link
In comment 14705880 Phatbrew said:
Quote:
Balls, all nighters n rape, donít help u as a player, the anti Eli...


He might be the 'anti-Eli', but he's also the most talented player ever and the GOAT.
He played and lived with reckless abandon  
GiantJake : 12/7/2019 2:15 am : link
The Achilles injury took away some of his explosiveness and his lifestyle had worn him down.
At his worse  
Carl in CT : 12/7/2019 2:15 am : link
He was better than 80% of the league. He could have played as long as he wanted to. He was that good.
RE: He played and lived with reckless abandon  
Simms11 : 12/7/2019 3:34 am : link
In comment 14705912 GiantJake said:
Quote:
The Achilles injury took away some of his explosiveness and his lifestyle had worn him down.


Basically this^
After he tore his achilles he wasn't the same player. Lost passion and partying lifestyle as well.
He was actually supposed to retire  
Bubba : 12/7/2019 6:29 am : link
a season earlier than he did. He was to retire the season he tore his achilles but decided to return for one more. Did not want his career to end being carted off the field.
LT's decline started in 1990  
Matt G : 12/7/2019 7:16 am : link
He was still a very good player, but no longer a force in the 1990 championship season.
Not done  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/7/2019 7:31 am : link
but not near the impact. I have heard him speak during different interviews and at one of the HOF enshrinement's he said something like "the last couple years I kind of just played a little bit here and there". His heart was not in it.

One thing I never realized during his playing time was he was a great leader on the field. His intensity was so evident when you see clips. Phil talked about how every time the offense scored he would congratulate the offense ans shake his hand....every time. I wonder if he had someone with that intensity and will how it would translate to today's team.
RE: I don't  
Biteymax22 : 12/7/2019 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14705906 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
know if it is true or not, but LT used to tell people he rarely lifted weights. He basically partied all of the time and just showed up and played.


There was an excerpt in Accorsiís book about him avoiding the weight room. Something along the lines that the told him theyíd fine him for every weight room session he missed, he said okay and left the room, then came back 10 minutes later with a check for the rest of the season.

He seems like the type of natural freak that just woke up being able to do what he did.
I can't find a link, but Ronnie Barnes  
Mike in Prescott : 12/7/2019 5:09 pm : link
once said that he told LT that if the Sun was just 2% hotter, the Earth would be incinerated. He told LT that if he would just start professional weight training a little bit, he would burn up the league.
RE: LT was also a complete train wreck of a human  
Brick72 : 12/7/2019 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14705799 Ben in Tampa said:
Quote:
Partying, drugs, prostitutes, no sleep.

Who knows how many seasons that took away from him. Guy was still the best ever! Crazy to think what else he could have done.
And that's the thing. His insane partying and drugs took at least two years off of his career. Yet no one has matched him on the field since then. LT plus 2 more years even at 50% = ridiculous.
RE: I can't find a link, but Ronnie Barnes  
BillKo : 12/7/2019 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14706415 Mike in Prescott said:
Quote:
once said that he told LT that if the Sun was just 2% hotter, the Earth would be incinerated. He told LT that if he would just start professional weight training a little bit, he would burn up the league.


Was actually Johnny Parker, team's strength/conditioning coach.

Here's the link, great article:

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/01/11/sports/sports-of-the-times-how-the-giants-lifted-their-game.html
RE: RE: I can't find a link, but Ronnie Barnes  
Mike in Prescott : 12/8/2019 12:37 am : link
Thanks Bill. No wonder I couldn't find it. Of course it was Parker, not Barnes. I'm getting old *grin*

In comment 14706701 BillKo said: Was actually Johnny Parker, team's strength/conditioning coach.

Here's the link, great article:

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/01/11/sports/sports-of-the-times-how-the-giants-lifted-their-game.html [/quote]
RE: I can't find a link, but Ronnie Barnes  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/8/2019 12:49 am : link
In comment 14706415 Mike in Prescott said:
Quote:
once said that he told LT that if the Sun was just 2% hotter, the Earth would be incinerated. He told LT that if he would just start professional weight training a little bit, he would burn up the league.


I wonder what LT replied to Parker...

"LOL bruh, look what I did to Theisman's leg! You want me to kill someone?"
There is no one to compare LT to.  
WideRight : 12/8/2019 1:52 am : link
"done" is a subjective assessment that you can do what you want with.

Before retiring, LT had a torn Achilles, broken leg, broken ribs, broken hand, and he still played at a high level. But before that, he was on top of the mountain, having done what no one had ever done before him. And no one has done it since.

So whats your point?
Back to the Corner