Just how serious is Jones’ injury ?

this week. No one's said anything about next week. There is no issue right now.

If Eli balls out on Monday night and we win, then we may have an issue.

and I have my own.

I feel the organization (especially DG) do not want Jones to have a rough game on national television against a team that is desperate for a win. Especially with a defense that can get to the QB in a hurry.

I think Shurmur is as good as gone, just playing out the rest of the season. DG doesn't want the new HC to have reservations on his recently drafted QB.

Plat Eli, what's to lose? (except a higher draft pick next year of course). If he wins, it makes Shurmur look worse IMO. And maybe it brings some fans back to the stadium.

Overall, I think they are protecting Jones' image and DG's ass.

It takes off a little pressure. It lets him see the game from a different perspective. One thing he could learn from Eli is how to get into the right play at the line of scrimmage.

This is called over thinking something basic. He was injured on his scramble. Clearly limping the entire game. Obviously Adrenalin kicks in and he was able to finish. Post game I’m sure it stiffened up on him and the swelling and Mobility in the ankle was limited. He physically is not 100 percent. If we were fighting for a playoff birth maybe he would remain. Shurmur said when daniel is healthy he’ll regain the starting job. This isn’t a ploy for pat to get some meaningless wins against a team that just blew a 14 point lead to the dolphins.

We don really know what happened in 63

in '63.

With DJ, I think it is just coincidence. Daniel wasn't feigning the limp in the game. It might not be severe where it would prevent him from playing if the games meant anything. Sure the reps are valuable. But (and here where the semi-conspiracy thoughts creep in), I think the Giants have been very careful on the narrative with DJ. We all were witness to the verbal assault with the selection of DJ. From that moment, they have been careful to cast DJ in the best light. That is a good thing for DJ as it makes no sense to destroy his confidence. But the whitewash of the pick serves no benefit to DJ and only benefits the organization and the staff that selected him.

Throughout the preseason, there were simple orchestrated play calls that would allow DJ to have success. A few of us wanted the play calls to grow progressively more difficult with each preseason game. That was the time for DJ to make mistakes when it didn't matter. But that didn't happen, and come week 3 DJ was foisted into the starting lineup with the reasoning by Pat that DJ "gives us the best chance of winning." Fine. DJ is the future and needed the reps, but he was put into a position where he didn't receive the reps with the 1's all summer. Now, he was tasked with winning games all to save Pat. The immediate success was great for DJ and a confirmation on Pat's decision. But then we have been witness to the consecutive losing with DJ flirting with records that only serve to cast doubt on the decisions by the staff. Having DJ "rehab" saves the organization from any further tarnish on the DJ narrative.

there is no issue if Eli balls this week. Jones is the QB of the future and next year.

If so that could be as long as the rest of this season. Jones is clearly the starting QB when healthy. Hopefullly sooner than later.

Imagine if Eli wins against the Eagles. That would give beat writers lots of click bait.

DJ has an ankle injury and there is no reason to stick him out there during a worthless game and make it worse.

In comment 14706038 Diver_Down said:

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in '63. With DJ, I think it is just coincidence. Daniel wasn't feigning the limp in the game. It might not be severe where it would prevent him from playing if the games meant anything. Sure the reps are valuable. But (and here where the semi-conspiracy thoughts creep in), I think the Giants have been very careful on the narrative with DJ. We all were witness to the verbal assault with the selection of DJ. From that moment, they have been careful to cast DJ in the best light. That is a good thing for DJ as it makes no sense to destroy his confidence. But the whitewash of the pick serves no benefit to DJ and only benefits the organization and the staff that selected him. Throughout the preseason, there were simple orchestrated play calls that would allow DJ to have success. A few of us wanted the play calls to grow progressively more difficult with each preseason game. That was the time for DJ to make mistakes when it didn't matter. But that didn't happen, and come week 3 DJ was foisted into the starting lineup with the reasoning by Pat that DJ "gives us the best chance of winning." Fine. DJ is the future and needed the reps, but he was put into a position where he didn't receive the reps with the 1's all summer. Now, he was tasked with winning games all to save Pat. The immediate success was great for DJ and a confirmation on Pat's decision. But then we have been witness to the consecutive losing with DJ flirting with records that only serve to cast doubt on the decisions by the staff. Having DJ "rehab" saves the organization from any further tarnish on the DJ narrative.

He really did get injured last week - you could see it in his throws and his play.

And for all the turnover records he was potentially on pace to break, I find it funny how you ignore all the positive things he did over the course of his 10 starts. He was breaking records there too.

Not the one you think though. The drunk rookie SS agent trailing the presidents car accidentally shot JFK when he grabbed the rifle off the floor of the car in response to the shots from Oswald. The conspiracy was covering up the fact that the SS was responsible for killing the one they were supposed to protect.

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Not the one you think though. The drunk rookie SS agent trailing the presidents car accidentally shot JFK when he grabbed the rifle off the floor of the car in response to the shots from Oswald. The conspiracy was covering up the fact that the SS was responsible for killing the one they were supposed to protect.

It's appropriate that 'suds' in your handle because if you believe that, you've had a couple suds.

It is the only explanation that makes sense.

In comment 14706141 jsuds said:

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Not the one you think though. The drunk rookie SS agent trailing the presidents car accidentally shot JFK when he grabbed the rifle off the floor of the car in response to the shots from Oswald. The conspiracy was covering up the fact that the SS was responsible for killing the one they were supposed to protect.

I saw that docudrama too ... they didn’t say the rookie was drunk, but he replaced another guy who was ... I think ballistics angles proved this idea wrong ... like Costner says ...”back and to the left, back and to the left”

With all the intrigue and controversy surrounding the assassination the SS doing it by accident is the only one that makes sense. It explains the high velocity shot caught by Zapruder. It explains the strange behavior of the autopsy being covered up .And all you have to do is pay attention to the news over the years to know the SS is overworked and they have a large amount of ineptitude. They seem to screw up all the time. Mobsters? Russia? The Grassy Knoll? Nope. Just stupid Americans with guns.

In comment 14706110 Giants38 said:

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In comment 14706038 Diver_Down said: Quote: in '63. With DJ, I think it is just coincidence. Daniel wasn't feigning the limp in the game. It might not be severe where it would prevent him from playing if the games meant anything. Sure the reps are valuable. But (and here where the semi-conspiracy thoughts creep in), I think the Giants have been very careful on the narrative with DJ. We all were witness to the verbal assault with the selection of DJ. From that moment, they have been careful to cast DJ in the best light. That is a good thing for DJ as it makes no sense to destroy his confidence. But the whitewash of the pick serves no benefit to DJ and only benefits the organization and the staff that selected him. Throughout the preseason, there were simple orchestrated play calls that would allow DJ to have success. A few of us wanted the play calls to grow progressively more difficult with each preseason game. That was the time for DJ to make mistakes when it didn't matter. But that didn't happen, and come week 3 DJ was foisted into the starting lineup with the reasoning by Pat that DJ "gives us the best chance of winning." Fine. DJ is the future and needed the reps, but he was put into a position where he didn't receive the reps with the 1's all summer. Now, he was tasked with winning games all to save Pat. The immediate success was great for DJ and a confirmation on Pat's decision. But then we have been witness to the consecutive losing with DJ flirting with records that only serve to cast doubt on the decisions by the staff. Having DJ "rehab" saves the organization from any further tarnish on the DJ narrative. He really did get injured last week - you could see it in his throws and his play. And for all the turnover records he was potentially on pace to break, I find it funny how you ignore all the positive things he did over the course of his 10 starts. He was breaking records there too.

Your reading comprehension is lacking. I acknowledged the injury. It is legitimate. The injury gives cover to the organization. It isn't just about the fumbles and interceptions. He has lost over 260 yards with his ability to not avoid a sack. BBI has been preaching that a mobile QB can cover up the ills of a poor OL. Yet, now that we have a QB who is capable, somehow he is unable to avoid the rush.

Look, there is a lot to like about DJ. I want him to be successful. But he needs to clean up his game. With the assumption that a new staff is brought in for next season, they should not be forced to stick with him while he is on scholarship. If they choose to work with him, the scholarship should be short. If we continue our losing ways and are picking at the top in 2021, then the organization needs to secure Sunshine and trade DJ.

In comment 14705998 SirLoinOfBeef said:

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and I have my own. I feel the organization (especially DG) do not want Jones to have a rough game on national television against a team that is desperate for a win. Especially with a defense that can get to the QB in a hurry. I think Shurmur is as good as gone, just playing out the rest of the season. DG doesn't want the new HC to have reservations on his recently drafted QB. Plat Eli, what's to lose? (except a higher draft pick next year of course). If he wins, it makes Shurmur look worse IMO. And maybe it brings some fans back to the stadium. Overall, I think they are protecting Jones' image and DG's ass.

Each of these conspiracy theories would have had to have been cleared all the way to the top. Ask: are the people who brought us Geno Smith really capable of thinking something like this through?

when he was scrambling.

that said, at this point jones is a guy who fumbles a lot, and who can't make it through a full season. hopefully he's a lot better next year.

if the giants are bringing in a new coaching staff, i wouldn't mind them trading jones and drafting one of the QBs coming out this year

Eli started the first 2 games with a healthier team than DJ has had. He lost both of them handily while performing no better than DJ. There will be no controversy.

In comment 14706141 jsuds said:

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Not the one you think though. The drunk rookie SS agent trailing the presidents car accidentally shot JFK when he grabbed the rifle off the floor of the car in response to the shots from Oswald. The conspiracy was covering up the fact that the SS was responsible for killing the one they were supposed to protect.

yeah that's horse shit.

In comment 14706289 japanhead said:

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when he was scrambling. that said, at this point jones is a guy who fumbles a lot, and who can't make it through a full season. hopefully he's a lot better next year. if the giants are bringing in a new coaching staff, i wouldn't mind them trading jones and drafting one of the QBs coming out this year

Just stop.