Chase Young in a meaningful game vs a solid team tonight. He’s healthy and in prime time. The hype machine is going to be out in full force — but let’s try to form our own opinion on him as if we didn’t know he was the consensus can’t miss guy.
Haven’t really seen him play a full game yet. Looks like a Greek God and I’ve heard the raves ... but curious to see his motor, bend, and closing burst.
You still have an hour and 18 minutes. You can finish.
I’m gonna watch The Irishman instead — not the worst thing — let me know what you think of Young. I’ll watch in the a.m.
I give myself a solid C plus.
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...and Young should have a good game too.
I give myself a solid C plus.
If you dont stop spending time in this thread, she is going to reach for her vibrator..
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...and Young should have a good game too.
I give myself a solid C plus.
If you dont stop spending time in this thread, she is going to reach for her vibrator..
Oh that was over a while ago. Onto the ice cream and booze on the couch stage. Last post so I don’t get in trouble.
Agreed.
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I see Chase Young getting pretty easily handled for the second game in a row.
Agreed.
He’s applied pressure beats his man almost every play.
Biadaz would be a great pickup
Biadaz would be a great pickup
Agreed
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Ha. Meant NOT be sad. He had a great game
That was impressive, violent strength. I’m seeing a lot of power, but not a lot of burst and speed.
He just sealed the game for OSU. With help...
You’re right, he’s being triple teamed.
Yeah, the play where he hit the QBs arm ... that looked an NFL difference maker. Showing something now that Wisconsin forced to throw.
You sir, are blind. He consistently beat the drum off the Badgers' OLT one on one, and from the inside the OLT had help, and the QB was getting rid of the ball consistently in 2 seconds or even less.
Agreed. I had the misimpression that Young was a monster Julius Peppers type. He’s a lot smaller — almost like a big LB, maybe 260lbs — but potentially a lot more versatile. Has the frame to drop back in coverage etc. I’m not completely blown away by the guy — but can see the allure especially if it’s true that he’s got the heart and motor.
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Give me Isaiah Simmons. He looked great tonight. Chase Young did not stand out even when he was blocked by one.
You sir, are blind. He consistently beat the drum off the Badgers' OLT one on one, and from the inside the OLT had help, and the QB was getting rid of the ball consistently in 2 seconds or even less.
Agreed — Young is excellent at shedding hands. I hope he doesn’t double down on bulking up. The more movement skills he’s got, the better.
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Give me Isaiah Simmons. He looked great tonight. Chase Young did not stand out even when he was blocked by one.
You sir, are blind. He consistently beat the drum off the Badgers' OLT one on one, and from the inside the OLT had help, and the QB was getting rid of the ball consistently in 2 seconds or even less.
It’s a shame really, some just don’t get it. It’s like they expect him to be at the qbs face each time within .1 seconds.
He's not a DE like the Bosa brothers, he's much more a Lawrence Taylor "type" although I doubt he has the crazy natural strength LT had.
He's not a 4-3 DE ideally, he's muchore a 3-4 edge/OLB.
I guess he'll have a heckuva combine in the agility, movement skills, explosion tests, but he doesn't look the type to throw up anywhere near 30 reps on the bench.
So much the better if he builds on his quickness, agility and bend rather than bulk strength.
Those DL have excellent technique and are very disciplined.
Maybe we can use our third or fourth rounder to move up... oh wait
He can play in both schemes, but I think he'll make more of an impact as a 3-4 ER than a 4-3 DE.
That's extremely valuable.
It would be 2021 4th, if they sign Williams
I hope Chase Young plays as well as Josh Allen.
I cant believe people are expecting the guy to have 3 sacks every game, or just formulating an opinion on him based on a few quarters. I’ve followed this dude all year and he is going to be a stud
He is a beast.
Wouldn't it be lovely to have him at one OLB and Baun at the other.
I'm stating the obvious here, but his level of success in the NFL is going to depend on injuries and work ethic. Clowney hasn't been the absolute game wrecker that I would have expected largely due to the micro-fracture surgery... Still a very good player who has altered his game to rely more on power than speed.
Now take a Michael Strahan, who was nowhere near as talented as either Young or Clowney. In his first few seasons, he looked like an average to slightly above average starter, but he just kept adding tools to his arsenal. Relentlessly focused on his technique, the cerebral aspects of his game (i.e. setting up his opponents) and becoming a COMPLETE player. First as an excellent run defender, then as a pass rusher. The arc of his career always seemed to be pointing up. Even toward the end when he played at a lighter weight to retain some speed while relying on leverage and technique to overpower linemen who outweighed him +75 lbs. By the end of his career, he was one of the most complete DEs in NFL history.
To me, that's always the biggest wildcard in evaluating these guys. Can they stay healthy and are they going to continuously improve their skill set vs relying on their incredible talent? If Chase Young can do that, he's wearing a gold jacket 20 years from now.
It is VERY exciting to have an opportunity to add a kid with this much upside (and yes, I obviously would much rather won more games this year).
But I do see some of the Peppers comp. Especially with the wing span and power/speed combination. And some Jevon Kearse...again with the length...
Young seems like a guy worth drafting at #2 — fast, strong, versatile — but I keep coming back to the value of trading down and increasing our probabilities of improving the team in a sport with a 100% injury rate and an imperfect (at best) scouting process. The Giants rarely if ever trade down, and are always in pursuit of a blue goose or whatever they are calling them — but with such little talent, I’d like to see them try a different approach.
You add young to that trio and a good DC thats the making of a pretty strong front seven especially with Connelly back next year.
Considering the attention he got this was a very strong game for him.
The case for Simmons is his ability as a three down LB. I think every team in the NFL is looking for one of those...
Young seems like a guy worth drafting at #2 — fast, strong, versatile — but I keep coming back to the value of trading down and increasing our probabilities of improving the team in a sport with a 100% injury rate and an imperfect (at best) scouting process. The Giants rarely if ever trade down, and are always in pursuit of a blue goose or whatever they are calling them — but with such little talent, I’d like to see them try a different approach.
If you’ve only watched a few quarters you’re a analysis is worthless
Young seems like a guy worth drafting at #2 — fast, strong, versatile — but I keep coming back to the value of trading down and increasing our probabilities of improving the team in a sport with a 100% injury rate and an imperfect (at best) scouting process. The Giants rarely if ever trade down, and are always in pursuit of a blue goose or whatever they are calling them — but with such little talent, I’d like to see them try a different approach.
Connelly is an international day ILB.
Let's also draft Zac Braun if we want a Badger OLB (or trade for Schoebert or TJ Wattl
Wisconsin OL is very good and they totally game planned to minimize his effect as much as possible. That pic posted says it all. 2 OL and a TE all looking to get their hands on him while everyone else is one on one. And he still had a good game. The guy is a player, violent hands is right... I'd LOVE to add him to our defense.
Posts like this make me wonder if people just post about shit they aren't watching or if they are that horrible at comprehending what they are watching.
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He looks like a JAG out there, not a top pick. He's not even being doubled teamed.
Posts like this make me wonder if people just post about shit they aren't watching or if they are that horrible at comprehending what they are watching.
The problem most people have observing well and accurately, including myself, is threefold.
1) First you rarely have cameras focusing on players outside of the offensive skills guys, and even then only the guy with the ball in his hands - most often the QB. So since there isn't a camera focused on this or that DT or ER all night, you only see that individual when he is the guy making the play on the QB or RB or WR or TE - ie you get to see him ONLY when he's THE GUY making the tackle, pass breakup, strip sack, or FF!!!
2) Nobody, not even Lawrence Taylor, was making those type of plays multiple times in a single game because if said player is really good he gets accounted for - by being double (or even triple) teamed, by being chipped, by having plays run away from him, by having the QB get the ball out of his hands EVERY PLAY in 2 seconds or less.
That's how teams nullify a great pass rusher, even an impact making pass rusher. But said player STILL HAS AN IMPACT, even if he isn't the one logging up the stat sheet...
3) Because the other team is focusing on him so much, they become predictable in their play designs, and far easier to defend.
If Wisconsin is sliding their OL to block Young with at least 2 guys all night, and leaving the three other DL one on one, and you NEED a sack, you dial up an extra pass rusher on the opposite side from your stud ER and the extra Blitzer has a good shot of getting on the QB untouched...
If the other team is running every play to get the ball out if the QBs hands in under 2 seconds, and you can't possibly get pass rush pressure on him, you simply stack your back seven (or 8) within the short pass zones and make completing those type of passes - the quick slants, quick outs, and short stemmed rub routes practically impossible to complete. You flood the short zones with bodies.
That's pretty much what OSU did to completely nullify Wisconsin's offense for the entire second half!
It might not be Young actually making the plays, but he was the key to the whole 2nd half defensive domination of Wisc by OSU.
When they left him one on one, as we saw, he got to the QB in a flash, disrupted the play, and damn near had a strip sack. All on a 2 second drop back and throw...
You've got to see the whole Forest and the individual trees at the same time.
It's not easy.
Thanks Cosmicjc.
Yeah there are lots of guys and gals who understand this inside out here, that's part of what makes this a great forum.
But even among them, the lack of success for an extended time period clouds the horizon to the point of obfuscation.
It helps me that I am old enough to have perspective on what "bad" football looks like.
Watch our DL now. The double teams, if applied at all (and they are, often enough) go towards defending Lawrence, Williams, even Hill at times on passing plays, and directed at Tomlinson plenty vs runs. Although Brooks manhandled Tomlinson one on one when I focused on them Monday night. Brooks is a pro bowl or all pro level OG, let's not forget.
But Carter, Ximines, and even Golden our best edge rusher are almost always handled one on one.
Young if we draft him will bring a synergy to our DL. Because his greatest asset is his outside speed rush and great bend and hands off the edge, he will command at least chip help, even as a rookie. IMO.
OSU made some adjustments (more zone) and came out woken up and the second half was as you described it.
Those DL have excellent technique and are very disciplined.
OSU DL coach is one of the best in the biz, Larry Johnson Sr. Long time coach of McDonough High School (here in MD), Penn State, and father of the former PSU and NFL running back.
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position coach?
Those DL have excellent technique and are very disciplined.
OSU DL coach is one of the best in the biz, Larry Johnson Sr. Long time coach of McDonough High School (here in MD), Penn State, and father of the former PSU and NFL running back.
I wonder if the kids he coaches even know about his son, and what an awesome RB he was for a couple of years. He was unstoppable for a short while, Larry Johnson (JR.)
OSU made some adjustments (more zone) and came out woken up and the second half was as you described it.
Michigan clearly schemed to not let him ruin that game either. It resulted in the rest of the D coming through and shutting down Michigan pretty good in the second half.