DeAndre Baker gets a full pass for his rookie year

Hallelujah, finally a post with some wisdom!!

Is the toughest position for a rookie outside of QB

Just to add, I could fill a thread with a couple of hundred names of players who struggled their first few years in the league, then went on to become great or at least very good players. Our own Carl Banks comes to mind. When he was drafted with the third pick of the 1984 draft, I was expecting the second coming of LT. He struggled mightily his first two seasons in the league and spent a great deal of time on the bench. He came into his own in a big way that 1986 season, his third with the Giants. Give this kid Baker a few years of playing time to be properly judged!

Giants players over the past decade who struggled year 1 and then developed into a very good player?

I can think of quite a few who've done the exact opposite.

Rookie or not, you hustle and don't give up on plays. So, bullshit.

Have to disagree with the Tuna on that one. Dealing with the physicality of the trenches does not compare with being on an island trying to cover the most gifted athletes on the field.

for me.

Webster was terrible until Buffalo in '07. What I worry about is his attitude/loafing.

In comment 14706588 santacruzom said:

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Giants players over the past decade who struggled year 1 and then developed into a very good player? I can think of quite a few who've done the exact opposite.

Strahan, Sehorn and Toomer come to mind.

but I'm realistic about how difficult the position is especially in today's game. I also firmly believe he's been poorly coached and used incorrectly. I'll show some patience. He's going to thrive as a press man cover. That's his game. If they weren't going to deploy him that way consistently they shouldn't have drafted him.

Hopefully the next DC and his staff will study their own players to capitalize on their strengths and minimize exposure.

So has Wayne Gallman

Hence Gallman is the next Tiki Barber

away from contact. Looks terrible on film

In comment 14706624 Ira said:

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In comment 14706588 santacruzom said: Quote: Giants players over the past decade who struggled year 1 and then developed into a very good player? I can think of quite a few who've done the exact opposite. Strahan, Sehorn and Toomer come to mind.

He said in the past decade lol

And no free pass here, he'll still have a chance to prove himself next year but if he doesnt make big strides I'd look to upgrade.

Then again I despised the pick from the moment it happened.

In comment 14706588 santacruzom said:

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Giants players over the past decade who struggled year 1 and then developed into a very good player? I can think of quite a few who've done the exact opposite.

Landon Collins. He was BAD his first year

In comment 14706622 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Webster was terrible until Buffalo in '07. What I worry about is his attitude/loafing.

Agreed!!!

In comment 14706588 santacruzom said:

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Giants players over the past decade who struggled year 1 and then developed into a very good player? I can think of quite a few who've done the exact opposite.

Corey Webster

Before turning into a very solid CB who was instrumental in the 2007 SB run. Webster was even passed by fellow rookie CB UDFA Curtis Deloatch on the depth chart.

No free pass here.

In comment 14706588 santacruzom said:

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Giants players over the past decade who struggled year 1 and then developed into a very good player? I can think of quite a few who've done the exact opposite.

Closest I can think of is Landon Collins.

Michael Strahan

And “excuses for our rookies” thread so we can put all this crap in one place. You guys have more excuses for our rookies than Carter has pills.

Baker has not been good. Pray he gets better because otherwise Gettleman threw away a first round pick.

Eli Manning
Jumbo Elliot ( I think took a couple years)

We don't need 'excuses' for the rookies. Why? 'cause they're ROOKIES! Duh.

In comment 14706629 Torrag said:

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but I'm realistic about how difficult the position is especially in today's game. I also firmly believe he's been poorly coached and used incorrectly. I'll show some patience. He's going to thrive as a press man cover. That's his game. If they weren't going to deploy him that way consistently they shouldn't have drafted him. Hopefully the next DC and his staff will study their own players to capitalize on their strengths and minimize exposure.

Best post of the thread. Weve seen some flashes of very good play when he has been properly utilized.

His intangibles seem lost too - shying away from contact, making statements about how he didn't need to pay attention to certain drills during camp.

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“In speaking to team sources, they feel that Baker’s tape and talent level should have him going in the No. 10-15 range of the 1st round, but they believe he will slide some because he has off-the-field issues and has not interviewed well with teams during the lead up to the 2019 NFL Draft.”

In comment 14706663 JohnB said:

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In comment 14706588 santacruzom said: Quote: Giants players over the past decade who struggled year 1 and then developed into a very good player? I can think of quite a few who've done the exact opposite. Landon Collins. He was BAD his first year

Sure, but he was only very good his second. He then regressed, as most young Giants players who've shown promise over the past ten years have.

In comment 14706666 montanagiant said:

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In comment 14706588 santacruzom said: Quote: Giants players over the past decade who struggled year 1 and then developed into a very good player? I can think of quite a few who've done the exact opposite. Corey Webster

Everyone is naming players who played for us much longer than a decade ago.

In comment 14706572 jlukes said:

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Is the toughest position for a rookie outside of QB

Exactly. This is what pissed me off so much about when Reese let Linval Joseph go in FA. So many posts about how easy it is to plug someone in at DT. How have the Giants done since then?

Oh and Baker played like a dog and better get his shit together or fuck him.

Webster was drafted 14 years ago. Toomer was drafted 21 years ago. Sehorn was drafted 25 years ago. Strahan was drafted 26 years ago.

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In comment 14706572 jlukes said: Quote: Is the toughest position for a rookie outside of QB Exactly. This is what pissed me off so much about when Reese let Linval Joseph go in FA. So many posts about how easy it is to plug someone in at DT. How have the Giants done since then? Oh and Baker played like a dog and better get his shit together or fuck him.

I think the DT is the one position that has not been an issue for the Giants during the teams recent down years. They let LJ walk because of the limited cap space they had that year, and because they had depth behind him.

Sorry this is total BS. When does it stop. Not one pick or even close to one pick in 12 games. First round talent! Effort has been a ? mark and noted by others. Just another let’s wait and see first round pick. Total BS pass you’re giving him.

In comment 14706588 santacruzom said:

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Giants players over the past decade who struggled year 1 and then developed into a very good player? I can think of quite a few who've done the exact opposite.

I think you have settled the debate for the dumbest insight of the week.

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In comment 14706632 Vanzetti said:

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So has Wayne Gallman Hence Gallman is the next Tiki Barber

Too few reps to give Wayne a grade; he deserves an "incomplete".

I don't think Barkley is yet 100% and I favor shutting him down for the rest of this meaningless season to let his injury fully heal. He may be tempted to overcompensate and make the injury worse these last few games. Give him a fresh start in 2020.

Then hand Gallman the reps to give him some experience and to see what he has and if he can contribute behind Saquan next year.

In comment 14706765 Beer Man said:

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In comment 14706736 sb from NYT Forum said: Quote: In comment 14706572 jlukes said: Quote: Is the toughest position for a rookie outside of QB Exactly. This is what pissed me off so much about when Reese let Linval Joseph go in FA. So many posts about how easy it is to plug someone in at DT. How have the Giants done since then? Oh and Baker played like a dog and better get his shit together or fuck him. I think the DT is the one position that has not been an issue for the Giants during the teams recent down years. They let LJ walk because of the limited cap space they had that year, and because they had depth behind him.

Respectfully disagree. Their depth, i.e. Haskins and Marvin Austin, turned out to be trash. Jay Bromley was also horrible. And let’s not forget Marcus Kuhn. They only got competent when they signed Damon Harrison.