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CFB: Who will be #1?

Anakim : 12/8/2019 2:01 am
Obviously huge ramifications on the CFB playoffs. We have three undefeated teams in a tier of their own. The #4 seed, which probably will be Oklahoma, is a level below. Whichever teams are 2 and 3 will be in for an epic slugfest, while whoever is #1 will have a much easier road to the Championship game.

I think you have to put LSU at #1. They DOMINATED the #4 team in the nation. Ohio State did excellent against a great Wisco team, but LSU absolutely annihilated Georgia on both offense and defense.


My predictions and what I want to happen:


1 LSU 2 Ohio State
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4 Oklahoma 3 Clemson



Justin Fields vs. Trevor Lawrence? 2021's likely #1 and #2 picks (in whichever order)? YES PLEASE! Kristian Fulton and Derek Stingley Jr. vs. CeeDee Lamb? Fantastic.



And then I predict it'll be Ohio State vs. LSU in New Orleans for the National Championship (the atmosphere will be amazing). Chase Young (future Giant) vs. Joe Burrow. Next year's #1 pick vs. next year's #2 pick (again in whichever order). Must-see game.
I think Clemson gets to the championship game.  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/8/2019 3:06 am : link
Pretty easily too, if they face off vs the Buckeyes first round.
RE: I think Clemson gets to the championship game.  
markky : 12/8/2019 4:40 am : link
In comment 14706751 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Pretty easily too, if they face off vs the Buckeyes first round.


Same. Have only played their starters in one fourth qtr all year.
That is why the 1 v 2 debate actually really matters this year  
bhill410 : 12/8/2019 4:47 am : link
Because Clemson is likely best team in country but since ACC stunk this year they are stuck in 3 spot.
RE: That is why the 1 v 2 debate actually really matters this year  
Big Rick in FL : 12/8/2019 7:30 am : link
In comment 14706759 bhill410 said:
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Because Clemson is likely best team in country but since ACC stunk this year they are stuck in 3 spot.


LSU is the best team in college football.
Surprised Clemson is so easily dismissed  
mattlawson : 12/8/2019 7:43 am : link
Great offense and defense
Clemson offense is scary good  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2019 7:47 am : link
And they would destroy OSU. Do people really not remember last year's championship game? This team is better than that one was.
LSU, no  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/8/2019 7:58 am : link
? in my mind.
LSU  
TyreeHelmet : 12/8/2019 7:59 am : link
Has to be number 1. I’m surprised this is being so debated. They are a clear number 1.
Flat out, it's just going to be a great game(OSU/Clem).  
barens : 12/8/2019 8:01 am : link
For me, there really is no clear cut favorite. Excited to see Dobbins against the speed of that Clemson D, and on the other side, see how Trevor Lawrence reacts to that great OSU pass rush and Chase Young.

If it's LSU/OU, that will get ugly in a hurry. That will not be a competitive game. Would have loved to have seen Oregon get that 4th spot, but not in the cards.
LSU will get the #1 spot.  
markky : 12/8/2019 8:03 am : link
but in the championship game they will get beat by Clemson.
RE: LSU  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 12/8/2019 8:23 am : link
In comment 14706778 TyreeHelmet said:
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Has to be number 1. I’m surprised this is being so debated. They are a clear number 1.


I agree.
RE: Clemson offense is scary good  
bw in dc : 12/8/2019 8:36 am : link
In comment 14706776 Greg from LI said:
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And they would destroy OSU. Do people really not remember last year's championship game? This team is better than that one was.


Really? You think this Clemson D is as good last year’s?
Up to yesterday it was  
joeinpa : 12/8/2019 8:48 am : link
1. OH
2. LSU
3. CLEMSON

Should 1/2 of football drop OH? LSU is great, but clearly # 1?, Don’t know about that.
I don't think OSU should be knocked out of the #1 spot because  
RDJR : 12/8/2019 8:51 am : link
of one weekend of football. I don't think that is what the committee is supposed to be doing. The body of work is what matters. LSU is great for sure, but I don't believe yesterday should change a whole lot. Georgia didn't come to play, that was obvious, and lost to South Carolina earlier. Also, Wisconsin is no slouch. I also think an LSU/Clemson semifinal matchup will be epic and OSU/Oklahoma will hold its own in the ratings.

Not happy that Utah and Baylor both blew their chances at the CFP. Sick of watching OU lose in the semis on a regular basis.
I personally think Auburn...  
bw in dc : 12/8/2019 8:54 am : link
would pound Oklahoma. I actually think they are one of the four best teams. With a freshman QB, they’ve just had some growing pains at times...
Was talking about their offense only, bw  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2019 8:56 am : link
The Clemson D did take a step back, but their offense is the best in college ball by a wide margin.
RE: I personally think Auburn...  
RDJR : 12/8/2019 9:01 am : link
In comment 14706820 bw in dc said:
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would pound Oklahoma. I actually think they are one of the four best teams. With a freshman QB, they’ve just had some growing pains at times...


I can agree with this, but there are others that may be better than Oklahoma too. Florida, Penn State, Georgia and Alabama to name four others. It won't matter. Oklahoma is in.
I'd move Clemson up past Ohio State  
PatersonPlank : 12/8/2019 9:18 am : link
So I'd have LSU, Clemson, Ohio St, OK
RE: I'd move Clemson up past Ohio State  
BigBlueShock : 12/8/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14706861 PatersonPlank said:
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So I'd have LSU, Clemson, Ohio St, OK

Thats exactly how I’d have it
Don't understand how LSU isn't clear #1  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/8/2019 10:24 am : link
Their marquee wins are all better than Ohio State's. The Big 10 was very weak this year.

They should just do a Big 10 / SEC Challenge in non-conference football to sort this out.

LSU
Ohio State
Clemson
Oklahoma
RE: RE: Clemson offense is scary good  
barens : 12/8/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14706803 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14706776 Greg from LI said:


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And they would destroy OSU. Do people really not remember last year's championship game? This team is better than that one was.

Their defense has been just as good, if not better than last year. They lost a lot on the defensive line, but their back end is stronger, and they are becoming like Alabama, they just reload. Isaiah Simmons is right up there as the best defensive player in the country with Chase Young.



Really? You think this Clemson D is as good last year’s?
Likely  
micky : 12/8/2019 10:28 am : link
1. LSU
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Oklahoma

Surprise and still possible Ohio St gets #1

Ohio St looks like complete team this yr.
.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 12/8/2019 10:53 am : link
1LSU over 4Oklahoma
3Clemson over 2OhioSt
1LSU over 3Clemson
Clemson is the quietest undefeated defending National Champs ever  
Matt G : 12/8/2019 11:00 am : link
Some great QBs in this final four, but Trevor Lawrence is the best of the bunch.

I expect LSU (#1) vs Clemson (#3) in the Championship
They Did an Analysis  
Aloha Alan : 12/8/2019 11:00 am : link
of both LSU and OSU after the OSU/Wisconsin game and showed how the strength of schedule, winning by points against the top tier teams goes to OSU by a bunch. Under that premise, OSU will be #1 if they follow that premise, with LSU, Clemson and Oklahoma in that order.

Both LSU and OSU are "supposedly" the top two teams, but no one is talking about last year's National Champions Clemson. I say watch out for the Tigers as they should not and will not be discounted for this year's National Championship.
Thank goodness  
Metnut : 12/8/2019 11:03 am : link
there is a playoff this year. What a mess if only 2 teams in under old BCS system.
Ohio State will be number 1 because they didn’t want...  
Crispino : 12/8/2019 11:26 am : link
ACC vs. SEC in the finals again. That would be the only reason after the way OSU played yesterday.

I would go LSU at 1, Oklahoma at 4 and 2-3 doesn’t matter.
I think Ohio State  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/8/2019 11:36 am : link
I wonder also what Champion game would draw the most interest.
I always thought LSU would jump Ohio state if they took care  
BSIMatt : 12/8/2019 11:51 am : link
Of Georgia. LSU thoroughly destroyed Georgia, think that I firmly locked up the #1 seed for them.
RE: Clemson is the quietest undefeated defending National Champs ever  
markky : 12/8/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14707014 Matt G said:
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Some great QBs in this final four, but Trevor Lawrence is the best of the bunch.

I expect LSU (#1) vs Clemson (#3) in the Championship


Lawrence's last loss was his sophomore year of high school. He won 41 straight in HS, with two state titles. Now undefeated in college. And he's physical.
RE: Up to yesterday it was  
shyster : 12/8/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14706813 joeinpa said:
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1. OH
2. LSU
3. CLEMSON

Should 1/2 of football drop OH? LSU is great, but clearly # 1?, Don’t know about that.


My take is that the committee dropped LSU to 2 in anticipation of two SEC teams making the final four and thereby avoiding an SEC-SEC first round matchup.

With that issue off the table, the way is clear to move LSU back up to 1.
Clemson OSU is going to be  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/8/2019 12:30 pm : link
Epic.
RE: RE: Clemson is the quietest undefeated defending National Champs ever  
Matt G : 12/8/2019 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14707135 markky said:
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In comment 14707014 Matt G said:


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Some great QBs in this final four, but Trevor Lawrence is the best of the bunch.

I expect LSU (#1) vs Clemson (#3) in the Championship



Lawrence's last loss was his sophomore year of high school. He won 41 straight in HS, with two state titles. Now undefeated in college. And he's physical.


Yep... IMO, he's the college QB prospect that I've ever seen... And that includes Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck
This might be the best four team playoff we ever had  
Essex : 12/8/2019 12:33 pm : link
I think OSU should be number one if they were number one going into the game. They had one bad half and quickly rectified that in the second half. But that is only because they were number one going in and beat a top 10 team they shouldn’t go down. With that said, if I had to rank the teams OSU would be third, Oklahoma four and not really sure about who is 1 or 2 between LSU and Clemson but hard to really go against Clemson given their winning streak of what 28 or 29 games, which is insane.
Definitely the best QB play that we've seen from top college teams...  
Matt G : 12/8/2019 12:51 pm : link
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They're feeding OU to LSU  
BigBlueCane : 12/8/2019 1:22 pm : link
to give LSU home field in the Sugar bowl.

I presume they're hoping for Tigers vs Tigers for ratings.
LSU deserved No. 1  
jeff57 : 12/8/2019 1:26 pm : link
Seed
RE: They're feeding OU to LSU  
MookGiants : 12/8/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14707264 BigBlueCane said:
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to give LSU home field in the Sugar bowl.

I presume they're hoping for Tigers vs Tigers for ratings.


What?
RE: They're feeding OU to LSU  
BSIMatt : 12/8/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14707264 BigBlueCane said:
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to give LSU home field in the Sugar bowl.

I presume they're hoping for Tigers vs Tigers for ratings.


Has nothing to do with it, has everything to do with what LSU did to UGA.
BigBlueCane  
MookGiants : 12/8/2019 2:11 pm : link
is painfully stupid when it comes to anything college football related.
ND versus Iowa State in the Camping Bowl.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/8/2019 4:33 pm : link
If I was any of Notre Dame's likely drafted players (Claypool, Gilman, Kareem, etc.), I wouldn't play in this nonsense game.
LSU and Clemson  
mdc1 : 12/8/2019 5:16 pm : link
for the national championship game. I like Clemson and the coaching. That coach for LSU will f it up somehow.

MookGiants  
BigBlueCane : 12/8/2019 6:14 pm : link
is painfully stupid when it comes to CFB and life in general. People like Clay Travis have been following and breaking down the committee's actions all year. And when he started the questioning of the ranking of LSU and OSU these past few weeks, it became obvious that the committe not unlike Boxing or the BCS before it, was setting things up for the best possible TV matchup.

You really should follow who's on the committee as it changes every year and knowing who's on it, will help you tell what the committe values.
Clemson..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/8/2019 6:22 pm : link
is like the anti-ND or anti-Duke.

Team goes about their business, scoring 21 or more points every game. Only having one close game all season as defending champs, and they are #3.

Hell, it would be like giving a 4 loss Duke BB team a #3 seed.

I can't see that team losing. Their offense is going to be damn difficult to stop. UVA was the first team to go over 300 yards against them, and it was a joke midway through the 2nd quarter.
RE: ND versus Iowa State in the Camping Bowl.  
dpinzow : 12/8/2019 7:11 pm : link
In comment 14707552 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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If I was any of Notre Dame's likely drafted players (Claypool, Gilman, Kareem, etc.), I wouldn't play in this nonsense game.


And this is also the game where I would see what ND has at QB next year if I were Kelly. Ian Book could be in that list of players who gets drafted too; some NFL team will pick him up as a backup
RE: MookGiants  
Kyle in NY : 12/8/2019 10:46 pm : link
In comment 14707651 BigBlueCane said:
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is painfully stupid when it comes to CFB and life in general. People like Clay Travis have been following and breaking down the committee's actions all year. And when he started the questioning of the ranking of LSU and OSU these past few weeks, it became obvious that the committe not unlike Boxing or the BCS before it, was setting things up for the best possible TV matchup.

You really should follow who's on the committee as it changes every year and knowing who's on it, will help you tell what the committe values.


If you're listening to anything Clay Travis says, you're doing it wrong.

Whether you love or hate Ohio State, they're very clearly one of the biggest ratings attractions in the sport. Their fan base is maybe the largest in the country, ratings gold. So what you're saying really makes no sense.

LSU got the one spot because they have the two best wins of the season, and both were in convincing fashion. I wish it wasn't the case because Ohio State, as good as I think they are, now has to go against a motivated Clemson team. But there's no conspiracy here.
I think they got it right with the top four.  
Del Shofner : 12/9/2019 12:29 am : link
Wisconsin-Oregon in the Rose Bowl and Georgia-Baylor in the Sugar Bowl on New Years Day are also going to be good games.
RE: Don't understand how LSU isn't clear #1  
mdc1 : 12/9/2019 8:12 am : link
In comment 14706971 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Their marquee wins are all better than Ohio State's. The Big 10 was very weak this year.

They should just do a Big 10 / SEC Challenge in non-conference football to sort this out.

LSU
Ohio State
Clemson
Oklahoma


No actually what they need to do is sponsor 1 team to be appointed to the top conferences and that team comes from the conference champion. This stuff is getting old. They are continuing to game the system unfairly.
RE: MookGiants  
mdc1 : 12/9/2019 8:17 am : link
In comment 14707651 BigBlueCane said:
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is painfully stupid when it comes to CFB and life in general. People like Clay Travis have been following and breaking down the committee's actions all year. And when he started the questioning of the ranking of LSU and OSU these past few weeks, it became obvious that the committe not unlike Boxing or the BCS before it, was setting things up for the best possible TV matchup.

You really should follow who's on the committee as it changes every year and knowing who's on it, will help you tell what the committe values.


It became clear to me what they were doing early on. seemed like they were motivated to insure the B10 was not locked out again. So how did they do that, knowing that Ohio St played the usual B10 schedule and no real opponents? They ranked a bunch of teams in poll higher and laddered them when they beat. They do have a good team, but I think they will be exposed when they play Clemson. A handful of teams would likely beat them including ones that are out of it right now.
Come on  
Kyle in NY : 12/9/2019 8:28 am : link
Who that got left out of the playoffs would beat OSU? Of course in a single game it's possible but they're at least a TD favorite against every single team that got left out. Their strength of schedule ended up being the highest among the playoff contenders.
RE: Come on  
mdc1 : 12/9/2019 8:37 am : link
In comment 14708137 Kyle in NY said:
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Who that got left out of the playoffs would beat OSU? Of course in a single game it's possible but they're at least a TD favorite against every single team that got left out. Their strength of schedule ended up being the highest among the playoff contenders.


Who did they play again outside of their conference?

I think Bama, Auburn and some other can beat them, even Bama with a backup in there.
I think they got it right too  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/9/2019 8:40 am : link
LSU is the clear #1

OSU can play with anyone this year, incl LSU and Clem

Clemson's conference is pretty weak, but hey have so much talent

OU is better than a Utah. I think they would beat Georgia too. Plus Hurts is really good.
RE: RE: Come on  
Kyle in NY : 12/9/2019 8:56 am : link
In comment 14708150 mdc1 said:
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In comment 14708137 Kyle in NY said:


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Who that got left out of the playoffs would beat OSU? Of course in a single game it's possible but they're at least a TD favorite against every single team that got left out. Their strength of schedule ended up being the highest among the playoff contenders.



Who did they play again outside of their conference?

I think Bama, Auburn and some other can beat them, even Bama with a backup in there.


They played Cincinnati who was a 10 win team in a legitimate conference. It’s not the strongest non conference they’ve had, they finished a home and home with Oklahoma recently so they’re not afraid to schedule, I’m not saying it is. But again, their strength of schedule ranked top 20 and was the toughest ranked of the playoff contenders, and they beat every team by double digits.

If you think this Alabama team beats them with a back up QB I think you’re off base, they’d score all day on this years Alabama defense.
Alabama is Alabama  
BSIMatt : 12/9/2019 9:15 am : link
They're capable of beating anyone. LMAO at the they'd score all day on Alabama's defense...based on what? Because LSU did? Because Auburn put up points..which included 2 pick sixes, one of which was from the 3 yard line with Bama in scoring position? The reality is Bama's offense would also score all day..so what you are saying is it would be a good game, and their is a very good chance Bama would be the most talented defense Ohio State had faced. The most laughable ranking in the entire CFB was Wisonsin being ranked ahead of Alabama, a Wisonsin team who lost to a poor Illinois team they were favored by 31 points over, be glad you got to play Wisonsin twice and walk into the CFB.
There's a YouTube clip from a group called Lettermen,  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/9/2019 9:15 am : link
an OSU booster group, that are bitching and moaning about how the Buckeyes got screwed by the committee, not being #1. More about the specifics of the drop from one than whether or not they are truly the best team in CFB.

Well the reason they don't discuss the real merits of their team, and they avoid talking about how the Badgers' had them by the balls at halftime, IMO, is because Clemson is the Orange elephant in the room. Yes Clemson's conference is weak compared with the SEC and weaker than the B10 too, but seriously?

Once they finally get past their bitching, they mention the "great matchup" of Sunshine and his superb WR group, all top 3 of them, vs. OSU's vaunted DBs.

Frankly IMO that's a NOLO CONTENDRE matchup. And all the bitches betting on OSU to beat Clemson will have lighter wallets in a few weeks. Then it will be: "if only Justin Fields was 100% it might have been different."

I don't think I have ever seen a group of WRs as dominant as Clemson's, and Lawrence can get them the ball like no one else in CFB.

Heck, Sunshine would be a top 10, or maybe top 5, QB in the NFL in 2020 if he was allowed out of CFB. He would be as big a no brainier #1 overall pick as there ever has been. He'd be my choice even if the Giants picked 1st.

What did someone write? Trevor Lawrence hasn't been on the losing side of a football game in 41 straight games since he was a sophomore in High School?!!!

Pardon that I am not giving the link, but it's easy to search for it on YouTube.
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Kyle in NY : 12/9/2019 9:41 am : link
I think the #2 ranking was right. They had a case for 1, but LSU had the two best wins of the season and the slow first half against Wisconsin opened the door for them to make the jump. I think it's fair. Wish it wasn't the case because there's such a huge gap between Clemson and Oklahoma, but it is what it is. Clemson being installed as a short favorite seems about right. It should be a helluva game

But some of these arguments against OSU are straight out of the Jim Tressel era. They'l be exposed, too slow, weak conference, etc. It's not 2007. OSU was #2 in offensive and defensive efficiency (all of which is schedule adjusted), they're loaded with talent, they've continually proved themselves in top bowl games since 2014. What is the argument here? That they were lucky to make the playoff? That Auburn or Alabama were just as good? Not this year, no way
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