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OBJ to have surgery after the season

Jolly Blue Giant : 12/8/2019 7:36 am
For a sports hernia:
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Consider: Beckham has been on the injury report every week of the season. Since Week 8, he was listed with a groin injury and participating mostly on a limited basis. At times, he has been full. From Week 1 to Week 6, he was listed with a hip injury.



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Coach Killer  
Diver_Down : 12/8/2019 7:37 am : link
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What a warrior  
Tuckrule : 12/8/2019 8:11 am : link
Battling through injuries. I’m assuming if he was having a good season nobody would hear of this. He’s such a bitch it’s not even funny. He’ll move onto his next team very shortly
They need to operate on his  
Gman11 : 12/8/2019 8:13 am : link
ass and do a head-ectomy.
.  
Diver_Down : 12/8/2019 8:15 am : link
He's just being wasted

It is always someone else who is at fault. Never the guy who doesn't bother to show up and train with his teammates.
Pretty scathing article here....  
Britt in VA : 12/8/2019 8:28 am : link
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In the midst of his worst statistical season when healthy, Beckham was supposed to flourish and excel when paired with the big-armed and accurate Baker Mayfield, who could get him the ball deep, on sideline routes, and anywhere else on the field early and often.


Can't blame Eli anymore.

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In this Season of Great Expectations, Mayfield has thrown the third-most interceptions in the NFL, and is last in key statistical categories such as rating (33rd at 79.9) and completion percentage (33rd at 60.0). He has one TD pass against four interceptions when trailing with four minutes or less in the fourth quarter.


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Eli  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/8/2019 8:39 am : link
Helped OBJ and Saquon shatter records.
RE: Eli  
Diver_Down : 12/8/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14706807 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Helped OBJ and Saquon shatter records.


People like to shit on Eli, but he has made the careers of other receivers that never amounted to anything with their new teams.
Odell Beckham’s talent “wasted” in “dysfunctional” Browns’ offense  
ZogZerg : 12/8/2019 8:54 am : link
Poor Odell, First Eli's weak arm kept him down, now it's the Browns HC and terrible O. But at least he has stayed healthy...., oh wait.
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RE: RE: Eli  
ajr2456 : 12/8/2019 8:56 am : link
In comment 14706814 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14706807 Coach Red Beaulieu said:


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Helped OBJ and Saquon shatter records.



People like to shit on Eli, but he has made the careers of other receivers that never amounted to anything with their new teams.


Besides Odell, what Giants receiver has left the Giants after playing well in a position to do well?

Nicks - hurt
Mannignham - hurt
Plaxico - prison

If you think Eli made Odell and ignore that Odell kept Eli afloat your blinded by sentimentality
RE: RE: RE: Eli  
Jolly Blue Giant : 12/8/2019 8:59 am : link
In comment 14706824 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14706807 Coach Red Beaulieu said:


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Helped OBJ and Saquon shatter records.



People like to shit on Eli, but he has made the careers of other receivers that never amounted to anything with their new teams.



Besides Odell, what Giants receiver has left the Giants after playing well in a position to do well?

Nicks - hurt
Mannignham - hurt
Plaxico - prison

If you think Eli made Odell and ignore that Odell kept Eli afloat your blinded by sentimentality


also:
Steve Smith (hurt)
Victor Cruz (hurt)
Jake Ballard (hurt)
Kevin Boss (hurt)
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EricJ : 12/8/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14706792 Diver_Down said:
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Never the guy who doesn't bother to show up and train with his teammates.


That is it right there. He gets traded to a new team and knows he needs to get on the same page with the new QB.

So, does Odell bother to show up for the OTA's? Nope...

Then, we are starting the season and we hear announcers on TV saying things like it looks like Baker Mayfield and Odell are not in sync.

Landry is having a good year.
RE: RE: RE: Eli  
Britt in VA : 12/8/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14706824 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14706807 Coach Red Beaulieu said:


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Helped OBJ and Saquon shatter records.



People like to shit on Eli, but he has made the careers of other receivers that never amounted to anything with their new teams.



Besides Odell, what Giants receiver has left the Giants after playing well in a position to do well?

Nicks - hurt
Mannignham - hurt
Plaxico - prison

If you think Eli made Odell and ignore that Odell kept Eli afloat your blinded by sentimentality


Prove otherwise.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Eli  
Diver_Down : 12/8/2019 9:07 am : link
In comment 14706829 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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In comment 14706824 ajr2456 said:


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In comment 14706807 Coach Red Beaulieu said:


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Helped OBJ and Saquon shatter records.



People like to shit on Eli, but he has made the careers of other receivers that never amounted to anything with their new teams.



Besides Odell, what Giants receiver has left the Giants after playing well in a position to do well?

Nicks - hurt
Mannignham - hurt
Plaxico - prison

If you think Eli made Odell and ignore that Odell kept Eli afloat your blinded by sentimentality



also:
Steve Smith (hurt)
Victor Cruz (hurt)
Jake Ballard (hurt)
Kevin Boss (hurt)


Yes, Everyone was Manning'd. Enough with the excuses. Players left without success. Might as well include OBJ in the "hurt" column. Was Shockey also hurt?
They left without success  
ajr2456 : 12/8/2019 9:11 am : link
Because they physically couldn’t play football anymore, and nobody blamed that on Eli.

Shockey averaged like 150 yards less a year post Giants. He never really put up big numbers while he was here.
RE: They left without success  
Diver_Down : 12/8/2019 9:13 am : link
In comment 14706850 ajr2456 said:
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Because they physically couldn’t play football anymore, and nobody blamed that on Eli.

Shockey averaged like 150 yards less a year post Giants. He never really put up big numbers while he was here.


If they couldn't play as you contend, then how come Nicks continued to be signed? Heck, we even signed him again.
how so many here have so much energy with which to hate  
MM_in_NYC : 12/8/2019 9:13 am : link
odell is mind bogging. jfc
Stick a fork in OBJ.  
Giant John : 12/8/2019 9:15 am : link
He is done. Playing for the attention and money now. See what Browns get for him. Bag of balls.
RE: RE: They left without success  
ajr2456 : 12/8/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14706854 Diver_Down said:
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Because they physically couldn’t play football anymore, and nobody blamed that on Eli.

Shockey averaged like 150 yards less a year post Giants. He never really put up big numbers while he was here.



If they couldn't play as you contend, then how come Nicks continued to be signed? Heck, we even signed him again.


You’re going to sit here and say that 2014 and 2015 Nicks was the same player physically as 2011 Nicks?

I mean by your logic how come he only caught 7 passes when he came back here if it was about Eli and not the injuries?
RE: how so many here have so much energy with which to hate  
Britt in VA : 12/8/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14706855 MM_in_NYC said:
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odell Eli is mind bogging. jfc


Fixed
RE: RE: RE: They left without success  
Diver_Down : 12/8/2019 9:22 am : link
In comment 14706859 ajr2456 said:
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Because they physically couldn’t play football anymore, and nobody blamed that on Eli.

Shockey averaged like 150 yards less a year post Giants. He never really put up big numbers while he was here.



If they couldn't play as you contend, then how come Nicks continued to be signed? Heck, we even signed him again.



You’re going to sit here and say that 2014 and 2015 Nicks was the same player physically as 2011 Nicks?

I mean by your logic how come he only caught 7 passes when he came back here if it was about Eli and not the injuries?


Colts signed him. Titans signed him. Giants signed him again. And Saints signed him. I presume before each signing the team conducted a workout and physical. If he passed the physical, then the player is no longer "hurt". Keep trying, AJ.
Nicks had a very serious injury that almost cost him his leg.  
Britt in VA : 12/8/2019 9:27 am : link
A lot of those guys were injured. However, there is no single example of a player that had success here with Eli that went on to do anything of significance compared to what they did here. None.

What's Odell's excuse?
RE: RE: RE: RE: They left without success  
ajr2456 : 12/8/2019 9:28 am : link
In comment 14706866 Diver_Down said:
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Because they physically couldn’t play football anymore, and nobody blamed that on Eli.

Shockey averaged like 150 yards less a year post Giants. He never really put up big numbers while he was here.



If they couldn't play as you contend, then how come Nicks continued to be signed? Heck, we even signed him again.



You’re going to sit here and say that 2014 and 2015 Nicks was the same player physically as 2011 Nicks?

I mean by your logic how come he only caught 7 passes when he came back here if it was about Eli and not the injuries?



Colts signed him. Titans signed him. Giants signed him again. And Saints signed him. I presume before each signing the team conducted a workout and physical. If he passed the physical, then the player is no longer "hurt". Keep trying, AJ.


You’re either trolling or intentionally being dumb. He never played for the Saints or Titans, wonder why. He came back and played with Eli two years after he left and did nothing.

I don’t think you understand the concept that injuries have a cumulative effect on players bodies. Nicks wasn’t physically the same player his last year in his first stint in NY as he was in 2011. Nicks lack of success after leaving had nothing to do with Eli Manning.

We can say Eli had a great career without making up narratives.
RE: Nicks had a very serious injury that almost cost him his leg.  
ajr2456 : 12/8/2019 9:30 am : link
In comment 14706875 Britt in VA said:
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A lot of those guys were injured. However, there is no single example of a player that had success here with Eli that went on to do anything of significance compared to what they did here. None.

What's Odell's excuse?


But again. Name one besides Odell if you’re going to make that statement.

Who was the receiver besides Odell that was successful here, left healthy, and didn’t have success elsewhere?
RE: RE: how so many here have so much energy with which to hate  
MM_in_NYC : 12/8/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14706864 Britt in VA said:
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odell Eli is mind bogging. jfc



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they're both right. maybe everyone should just stop hating people and filtering all new info thru a lens of confirmation bias.
RE: Eli  
liteamorn : 12/8/2019 9:33 am : link
In comment 14706807 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Helped OBJ and Saquon shatter records.


Bingo!!!! And more, the helmet catch? And subsequent TD to Plax??
And reports are he wants to be traded? Yikes!  
Blue21 : 12/8/2019 9:37 am : link
Won't get much for him but Pats might take a chance.
Odell is a rare  
crick n NC : 12/8/2019 10:04 am : link
Player in that he just can't find his match at QB. It's a shame he is being wasted because his qbs and offensive systems have sucked, when will this guy ever catch a break?
Very unfortunate situation for him.
Teams still shade everything his way defensively  
hitdog42 : 12/8/2019 10:15 am : link
That is why Landry and Chubb are able to look fine despite the atrocity of an offensive scheme and mayfields regression.
If you don’t realize that stop posting on threads like this.
This article says he is hurt- we have posters making excuses for Barkley but here being hurt isn’t relevant.
Eli has a tragic 2013- and Beckham shows up and he puts up the best stats of his career- and a year after leaving, is essentially out of the league- but somehow this thread would argue that Eli made Odell.

I do think Eli back will help Barkley for reasons discussed in other threads
AJ -  
Diver_Down : 12/8/2019 10:18 am : link
I'm not going to quote the wall of text, but it is your assertion that every receiver sans Plax was hurt. I will concede that a player's skillset erodes over time whether it is due to cumulative injuries/age/whatever. But here is the crux and you can go down the list with a simple yes/no, did every receiver/TE that left take a physical prior to being signed? If a player passes a physical, they are no longer "hurt". So go ahead with your list and answer a yes/no whether they took a physical before being signed.

I won't bother waiting for your response as we all know the answer is a unanimous yes.
RE: AJ -  
ajr2456 : 12/8/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14706956 Diver_Down said:
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I'm not going to quote the wall of text, but it is your assertion that every receiver sans Plax was hurt. I will concede that a player's skillset erodes over time whether it is due to cumulative injuries/age/whatever. But here is the crux and you can go down the list with a simple yes/no, did every receiver/TE that left take a physical prior to being signed? If a player passes a physical, they are no longer "hurt". So go ahead with your list and answer a yes/no whether they took a physical before being signed.

I won't bother waiting for your response as we all know the answer is a unanimous yes.


They took a physical and passed because they were no longer injured but they were no longer physical able to play the game at a high level. A physical has nothing to do with your speed, agility or ability to stay healthy.

I’m not so sure what’s so hard to grasp here. The wrs that we’re good here and left didn’t succeed because their injuries they accumulated throughout their career prohibited them from playing football at a high level. It had nothing to do with not having Eli as their QB. Nicks had Luck in the year he threw for 4700 yards, 40 touchdowns and 16 interceptions and he had 405 yards receiving.

Manningham didn’t succeed because he tore his acl again in San Fran.

Smith didn’t succeed in Philly because his knee injury complete voided out his skill set.

Cruz did nothing because he had suffered literally the worst injury you could have.
RE: Teams still shade everything his way defensively  
crick n NC : 12/8/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14706950 hitdog42 said:
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That is why Landry and Chubb are able to look fine despite the atrocity of an offensive scheme and mayfields regression.
If you don’t realize that stop posting on threads like this.
This article says he is hurt- we have posters making excuses for Barkley but here being hurt isn’t relevant.
Eli has a tragic 2013- and Beckham shows up and he puts up the best stats of his career- and a year after leaving, is essentially out of the league- but somehow this thread would argue that Eli made Odell.

I do think Eli back will help Barkley for reasons discussed in other threads


You fail to mention that the giants also somewhat shifted their offensive philosophy to a shorter pass game which certainly impacts numbers.

To me Odell is an amazing receiver who tends to put his production ahead of the team. I don't think he would be happy if the browns were winning with lack of touches. He needs his team to win and have a certain number of touches. A lot of times great offensive threats have to play decoy for the better of the offense and I don't think he is ok with that.
A pro athlete who wants to be the GOAT (or thinks he is already)...  
ChaChing : 12/8/2019 10:47 am : link
who 'doesn't like water' so is constantly dehydrated during games...so much so he has to leave early in many 1st half ending drives to get IV. Why this couldn't have been solved drinking something else, IV'ing pregame based on hydration levels / metrics / a schedule to combat the nonsense lack of water? Guys play through injuries, but I mean, drinking water tho you don't like it is off limits? Also, why a coaching staff could allow it to continue I have no idea. I get it's tough to manage a diva but that's dumb. I guess we ignore, you know biology / science, because that makes sense (but but but I want to win!!!)

I don't know if that was the reason, but I noticed many CLE games same thing - OBJ on the sideline in big drives, in the RZ, at the goaline often. I don't get how that marries with 'GOAT' - much more if we account for all the other shenanigans outside of hydration / injury

Add in ALL the other shenanigans, I'm not rooting against him but not losing sleep over him gone. It was time, maybe the first guy we've correctly cut bait on early vs late tbf. And that's not saying he WON'T be great, but it wasn't happening here and his time at NYG was done
Eli studies films and notices Mark Barron  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/8/2019 11:15 am : link
likes to bite on out routes. Eli draws up a play for OBJ to fake an out and go for a long TD.
Odell’s injury ....  
Jim from Katonah : 12/8/2019 11:38 am : link
... May seriously hinder his offseason shirtless/dance video workouts in Fiji. Hope he gets healthy soon.
He was sent to Cleveland to die  
Stan in LA : 12/8/2019 12:02 pm : link
Mission Accomplished!
RE: Eli  
djm : 12/8/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14706807 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Helped OBJ and Saquon shatter records.


Funny how this is coming out. No one ever said this while it was happening. All we heard was Eli sucks and the giants need to move on despite data showing the giants offense, save for 2013 and 2017 never truly prevented the giants from winning. Even 2016, that team won.

The defense was always the problem here with Eli under center. Now the offense and defense both suck. Can’t blame Eli anymore.
RE: Eli studies films and notices Mark Barron  
djm : 12/8/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14707034 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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likes to bite on out routes. Eli draws up a play for OBJ to fake an out and go for a long TD.


Eli was always criminally under rated here for his ability to line up his offense and get them in position to succeed. For too often the skill players here didn’t share the same brain with Eli like Marvin Harrison did with Peyton or edlelman does with Brady. Too many inconsistent moments. The best guy was OBJ and he’s now learning the hard way Eli was his best qb.

Eli was the glue in this nyg offense. He was the constant.

RE: Nicks had a very serious injury that almost cost him his leg.  
Bluesbreaker : 12/8/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14706875 Britt in VA said:
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A lot of those guys were injured. However, there is no single example of a player that had success here with Eli that went on to do anything of significance compared to what they did here. None.

What's Odell's excuse?


Agreed not here to bash anyone but OBJ is his own worse
enemy . The Eli and DG bashing has no merit .
RE: RE: RE: Eli  
Scuzzlebutt : 12/8/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14706824 ajr2456 said:
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Helped OBJ and Saquon shatter records.



People like to shit on Eli, but he has made the careers of other receivers that never amounted to anything with their new teams.



Besides Odell, what Giants receiver has left the Giants after playing well in a position to do well?

Nicks - hurt
Mannignham - hurt
Plaxico - prison

If you think Eli made Odell and ignore that Odell kept Eli afloat your blinded by sentimentality


Plax played with Big Ben and then put up his best numbers with Eli.

Manningham was healthy enough to sign a lucrative deal with SF. What about Reuben Randle? He couldn’t even make another roster after NY.
So, Eli played for 15+ years  
Boatie Warrant : 12/8/2019 8:33 pm : link
And every receiver he ever threw to was not as good without him because of injury? Had nothing to do with Eli? He didn't make them better? He was only lucky for 15 Years? Pull the other one....
RE: RE: RE: RE: Eli  
ajr2456 : 12/9/2019 7:54 am : link
In comment 14707440 Scuzzlebutt said:
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In comment 14706807 Coach Red Beaulieu said:


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Helped OBJ and Saquon shatter records.



People like to shit on Eli, but he has made the careers of other receivers that never amounted to anything with their new teams.



Besides Odell, what Giants receiver has left the Giants after playing well in a position to do well?

Nicks - hurt
Mannignham - hurt
Plaxico - prison

If you think Eli made Odell and ignore that Odell kept Eli afloat your blinded by sentimentality



Plax played with Big Ben and then put up his best numbers with Eli.

Manningham was healthy enough to sign a lucrative deal with SF. What about Reuben Randle? He couldn’t even make another roster after NY.


Manningham failed in SF because he tore his acl again.

Was Reuben Randle good here?
We don't know  
crick n NC : 12/9/2019 8:01 am : link
What kind of numbers Manningham would have put up if the injury didn't occur. We probably shouldn't assume what numbers he would have put up. There are a ton of moving parts with each nfl team. Manningham could have put up better numbers, worse numbers, or the same numbers and it still wouldn't be as simple as to say, he was better there or here.
peak eli  
hitdog42 : 12/9/2019 8:18 am : link
got the most out of all his bigger receivers- these were his "throw them open" years. Both plax and nicks benefitted (but were also massive talents themselves)-- so it was a good pairing.
Beckham a bit of a different story. he was a freak of nature his first 3 years and the league struggled to adjust to it.
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