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Then, there’s the comedy of errors that is Gettleman trading potentially the No. 66 overall pick for a defensive end, to replace defensive end B.J. Hill -- who was chosen No. 69 overall in 2018 -- and was made virtually irrelevant by the acquisition of Williams. |
But in the end Gettleman got it right and EVERYONE else was wrong. Daniel Jones has the makings of a very good to great QB, if groomed correctly.
To say he is out of touch isn't looking at the facts. He was miles ahead of everyone else on draft day.
But in the end Gettleman got it right and EVERYONE else was wrong. Daniel Jones has the makings of a very good to great QB, if groomed correctly.
To say he is out of touch isn't looking at the facts. He was miles ahead of everyone else on draft day.
Gettleman takes chances and doesn't seek the media blessing, so he's going to get the heat. By now, most can see that the media think they KNOW how to run an organization. Gettleman may be out at some point, but I applaud his efforts...he's a decent scout, has his vision of how to build, Shurmur may be his biggest fault.
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DG took a swing and everyone laughed their asses off at him when he did. He was the butt end of every joke on sport talk all across the country. He was a complete joke even here on BBI.
But in the end Gettleman got it right and EVERYONE else was wrong. Daniel Jones has the makings of a very good to great QB, if groomed correctly.
To say he is out of touch isn't looking at the facts. He was miles ahead of everyone else on draft day.
Gettleman takes chances and doesn't seek the media blessing, so he's going to get the heat. By now, most can see that the media think they KNOW how to run an organization. Gettleman may be out at some point, but I applaud his efforts...he's a decent scout, has his vision of how to build, Shurmur may be his biggest fault.
One of his strong points is that he knows how to cut ties with a mistake and move on. Shurmur is his biggest mistake and it's time to move on.
But in the end Gettleman got it right and EVERYONE else was wrong. Daniel Jones has the makings of a very good to great QB, if groomed correctly.
To say he is out of touch isn't looking at the facts. He was miles ahead of everyone else on draft day.
Daniel Jones makes him a good scout. Not a good GM. Peter Principle.
But in the end Gettleman got it right and EVERYONE else was wrong. Daniel Jones has the makings of a very good to great QB, if groomed correctly.
To say he is out of touch isn't looking at the facts. He was miles ahead of everyone else on draft day.
Still way too early to tell if his gamble was correct.
But in the end Gettleman got it right and EVERYONE else was wrong. Daniel Jones has the makings of a very good to great QB, if groomed correctly.
To say he is out of touch isn't looking at the facts. He was miles ahead of everyone else on draft day.
just no. for god's sake even sy on this very board had him as a 1st round qb. everyone got it wrong?? - get out of here. unless everyone is todd mcshay and some other media personalities. what other facts do you have? the facts i see are this team sucks. 7 wins in last two season. 10 wins in last 44 games. how you like those facts? this dg is some messiah crap pisses me off. wtf are you watching on sundays.
Where Gettlemen gets a major failing grade from me is failing to realize where this organization was after the 2017 offseason. He was fully on board with the one more run for Eli organizational values, which led him, to in my opinion squander the number two pick in the draft in a running back. So what we are left with is a position with marginal value on the field going into his 3rd year with the organization still a major mess and soon to either need to let him walk or allocate material cap space to a low return position value, where we see team letting the big dollar backs go. So you did not walk away from the 2018 draft #2 pick with a cornerstone player on your roster for a decade but rather a flashy pick who potentially really never helped your rebuild.
Then you have these measures in the rebuild which are simply mind
boggling. They give up draft picks for an underperforming player with the jets who will need to be signed for big dollars in the offseason. All these things still signal half measures from the Giants.
Oh wait I know, since we have the great and immortal BJ Hill the giants should sit on their hands and ignore the DL? Is that it?
Another one who exaggerates and ignores history. An all time dumb trade? A fucking mid round pick???
Jfc
But in the end Gettleman got it right and EVERYONE else was wrong. Daniel Jones has the makings of a very good to great QB, if groomed correctly.
To say he is out of touch isn't looking at the facts. He was miles ahead of everyone else on draft day.
Without disagreeing about Jones I think you are still wrong. His biggest decision was that the problems in 2017 required getting rid of the entire roster rather than just firing the coaches and replacing them with a good coaching staff and strengthening the OL. He blew that one and the result is we ended up with a mediocre (at best) coaching staff and (at best) a similar talent level to what we had in 2017.
And 2 superbowl victories. And plenty of good will before the last 4 years. he still finished with a 91-85 record. I'd take that incompetence over what's going on now
Investing so much in run defense, when defending the pass is priority A in the modern NFL. Such as drafting a 330lb DT at 17. This isnt 1999, where the theory is "the nose guard is the most important part of the 3-4 defense" you're in nickel 70-75% of the time (90+% against some teams). THAT is your base defense, find players who are great in that. Interior PASS RUSHERS, ends, off ball LBs who can COVER.
Deandre Baker looks like a corner straight out of the 1988 draft. Passes on a 6'2 freak in Greedy Williams for a guy he thought was more "hard nosed" (which was a bullshit narrative anyway).
Gettleman is the anti-Reese in the sense that Reese just went for freak athletes with no skill, Gettleman often goes for old school FOOTBALL PLAYERS.. who arent very athletic. Hence how we ended up with what is collectively the slowest defense in the league, cant have that.
Then spend 1/3 of your picks on d-line where you did so well that you need to spend two more for a guy you have yet to sign - and still need an edge rusher.
DG isn’t out of touch- he’s just not great at his job.
Uh, Pats traded a 2nd for a WR who is hurt and been a non factor. And he's older and making good money.
For instance, that's worse.
Yes, he'll cost some $$$ but I'm personally fine allocating resources to the LOS on both sides of the ball.
I want the Giants to get back to having a dominant DLine - Williams can be a part of that. Hill is a rotational piece at both NT and 3T - which is fine for a 3rd round pick.
Please, they were plenty hard on Reese towards the end. Being GM for two SB winning seasons gets you some latitude.
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These writers were as hard on Jerry Reese as they are Gettleman. Jerry Reese had years of incompetence and anything negative that was written centered on Tom Coughlin and/or Eli Manning.
Please, they were plenty hard on Reese towards the end. Being GM for two SB winning seasons gets you some latitude.
I also wondered why were supposed to give Eli respect and forgive his bad play because he won two Super Bowls but Jerry Reese doesn’t get that same type of respect.
pick is all time bad. Try to be a little thoughtful and objective before you post. It's statements like these that garner you little respect as a poster here.
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DG took a swing and everyone laughed their asses off at him when he did. He was the butt end of every joke on sport talk all across the country. He was a complete joke even here on BBI.
But in the end Gettleman got it right and EVERYONE else was wrong. Daniel Jones has the makings of a very good to great QB, if groomed correctly.
To say he is out of touch isn't looking at the facts. He was miles ahead of everyone else on draft day.
Without disagreeing about Jones I think you are still wrong. His biggest decision was that the problems in 2017 required getting rid of the entire roster rather than just firing the coaches and replacing them with a good coaching staff and strengthening the OL. He blew that one and the result is we ended up with a mediocre (at best) coaching staff and (at best) a similar talent level to what we had in 2017.
One thing to keep in mind is we really don't know who was DG's and the teams first choice for Head Coach. For all we know they made multiple offers and at the end Shurmer was the best choice left.
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dumb trade.
Another one who exaggerates and ignores history. An all time dumb trade? A fucking mid round pick???
Jfc
I think you need to look in the mirror.
I'm with you-- this move was a good move if they sign him (we'll never know if he ends up signing if the move helped but you got to give DG the benefit of the doubt if it did.).
But when it comes to exaggeration / twisting things you're one of the biggest twisters of posts and DG apologists on this site.
But the trade is fine if he gets LW.
I'm wiht oyu to a point but a few htings.
1--- You realize the trade is more than a 3rd round pick, right? It's potentially also a 4th. We have two 5th rd picks that looked pretty good this year, didn't we? SO we are losing potentially two players for this right? Not just one that you are trying to portray.
2-- Yes we will survive - but if they don't get him-- it was incredibly stupid then, wasn't it? Or because you want to justify the potential awful move by saying "we will survive" that makes the trade okay if they don't sign him? Looks like you just want to give DG pass here regardless what happens. .
3-- You're really trying to push "guts" on here? SO a team could suck but because you like "the guts" a GM has-- then it's okay? SOme of you just fall for his shtick and it's so pathetic. C'mon -- it's about winning. Your fandom / homerism needs to take a step back.
Next year let's see DG put together a team that can challenge for the playoffs after his 3rd year. I get the feeling if they stink again next year posters such as yourself will be pushing DG's moves a positive because "he had guts."
Then spend 1/3 of your picks on d-line where you did so well that you need to spend two more for a guy you have yet to sign - and still need an edge rusher.
DG isn’t out of touch- he’s just not great at his job.
Picking Jones is turning out to be the right move. I’m not a Gettleman fan but you’re wrong
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the third round pick would be a better player than Leonard Williams? Close to zero? Now factor into the difference in salary that Williams will get to stay here and then you can make an evaluation. As of now; we have no idea what that will be. On the other hand, if we don’t resign Williams then we lose a third round pick for this, which is undoubtedly bad, but we will survive. Picking Barkley second overall might be something to write about being a colossal error and out of the era of dinosaurs but that would take some guts which our beat writers largely are lacking in.
I'm wiht oyu to a point but a few htings.
1--- You realize the trade is more than a 3rd round pick, right? It's potentially also a 4th. We have two 5th rd picks that looked pretty good this year, didn't we? SO we are losing potentially two players for this right? Not just one that you are trying to portray.
2-- Yes we will survive - but if they don't get him-- it was incredibly stupid then, wasn't it? Or because you want to justify the potential awful move by saying "we will survive" that makes the trade okay if they don't sign him? Looks like you just want to give DG pass here regardless what happens. .
3-- You're really trying to push "guts" on here? SO a team could suck but because you like "the guts" a GM has-- then it's okay? SOme of you just fall for his shtick and it's so pathetic. C'mon -- it's about winning. Your fandom / homerism needs to take a step back.
Next year let's see DG put together a team that can challenge for the playoffs after his 3rd year. I get the feeling if they stink again next year posters such as yourself will be pushing DG's moves a positive because "he had guts."
No my point is that the pick to make DG look like a dinosaur is Saquon Barkley second overall. That was a pick where we could have drafted a lineman or traded down, we could have bluffed much better and make like we were going to pick Darnold etc. instead, we let the whole world know we liked SB and we took him. But in order to write that article the beat writers have to have some guts and criticize Barkley not only in the season that he is having this year but in the value he has to a franchise even under a season like he had last year. Most beat writers instead seem to go after low hanging fruit like Williams in which they say certain things (so stupid to trace a third and fifth) that have some appeal but do not reflect a nuanced view of everything and which there is already groupthink on since the minute we made the trade.
Gettleman brings it upon himself by sounding like a buffoon every chance he gets.
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dumb trade.
Another one who exaggerates and ignores history. An all time dumb trade? A fucking mid round pick???
Jfc
I think you need to look in the mirror.
I'm with you-- this move was a good move if they sign him (we'll never know if he ends up signing if the move helped but you got to give DG the benefit of the doubt if it did.).
But when it comes to exaggeration / twisting things you're one of the biggest twisters of posts and DG apologists on this site.
But the trade is fine if he gets LW.
I’m not ignoring history it just doesn’t apply to DG as much as some here insist. Dg didn’t sink this franchise to 2017. He’s trying to uplift it.
Calling trade one of the dumbest is just over the top. We’re talking 2 mid round picks. Get a grip. I can list dumber trades last year alone that dwarf this one even if Williams walks in FA.
In today' world of QBs we select a slightly more mobile Eli Manning clone that fumbles like him. Its called dual-threat, maybe the org should add that to their football vocabulary.
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I think you need to look in the mirror.
I'm with you-- this move was a good move if they sign him (we'll never know if he ends up signing if the move helped but you got to give DG the benefit of the doubt if it did.).
But when it comes to exaggeration / twisting things you're one of the biggest twisters of posts and DG apologists on this site.
But the trade is fine if he gets LW.
I’m not ignoring history it just doesn’t apply to DG as much as some here insist. Dg didn’t sink this franchise to 2017. He’s trying to uplift it.
Calling trade one of the dumbest is just over the top. We’re talking 2 mid round picks. Get a grip. I can list dumber trades last year alone that dwarf this one even if Williams walks in FA.
1--- I agree with you about LW. GMEN/DG were right if he signs.
2-- But name some trades this past year you think are worse if LW walks. We're losing potentially a cost-controlled "Slayton" and "Connelly" on team looking to rebuild. What trades were worse combination of short-term and long-term? I'm not saying you are wrong-- just asking you to provide some examples if you can please.
3-- History does apply but some of you choose to consistently bury your head in the sand for anything that doesn't come up roses for DG.
Regarding 2018 - first you speak of after 2017 DG you claim Dg was trying to "uplift the franchise." With that said I'm sure we can agree this is a results business. Please identify which Free Agents of 2018 have proved to be successful signings that will uplift our team for the future. Please identify them without the usual excuse making for any failures.
Regarding 2018 uplifting the franchise-- please identify which players that were drafted in 2018 have exceeded expectations in year 2091. We heard from posters like you that "he nailed it" didn't we? SO if he did-- please identify which players in 2018 have exceeded expectation for this season coming from the 2018 draft. If you can't -- then we see what he's done with 2018 FA's and we see what's happened THIS year for the 2018 draft class- where is the "uplift?" The only way you can say the uplift is there is because "you say so." Can't you understand how "shocked" (sarcasm) we are that homer fans would claim there is an uptick for a team that went 5-11 to 2-10 as of right now?
Third-- OFC none of this is DG's fault, right? It's "all the coach." Yet who hired the coach? OFC we hear it's not DG to blame for the coach either. It's the owner. Just as we've heard on here that when he restructured Solder's contract for anyone that criticized we hear from some of you that it wasn't DG that restructured his contract someone else was to blame for that. In other words for some of you, it's not DG's fault. Someone else is always to blame. His 2018 FA's and draft picks any that don't pan out-- it's the other guy- not DG. He "tried" and he fights with the media - and that combination is good enough for some of you.
Basically this hack is saying that teams should never improve. The quality of a team is often dependent on the quality of its backups.
In today' world of QBs we select a slightly more mobile Eli Manning clone that fumbles like him. Its called dual-threat, maybe the org should add that to their football vocabulary.
Slightly more mobile? Slightly?
Yet people on here want to defend Gettleman and blame everything on everyone else. It's not just his fault, but he's as responsible as anyone, and he needs to be out of a job in January as a result.
There's zero reason to be optimistic about the direction this team is heading right now.
Yet people on here want to defend Gettleman and blame everything on everyone else. It's not just his fault, but he's as responsible as anyone, and he needs to be out of a job in January as a result.
There's zero reason to be optimistic about the direction this team is heading right now.
This sums it.+1
Or it's more like some posters prefer to bury their heads in the sand and seem to be okay with a 2-10 football team? More than likely 3 straight years of top 6 or better draft picks? ANd without a huge hit in 2020 probably another year of crummy football?
In case you hasn't realized the rest of the entire football league - the herd - has been stampeding over us for many years. I'm not sure you get that. Or maybe you are okay with it?????
For those who think Gettleman has done well or average, kindly state what that criteria for success is for you. I'll state mine. Given a change in management because of cause, in a 3 year period the operation should be markedly better. In sports that means in the hunt for the playoffs.
Now back to the simple questions;
- does that manager foresee and anticipate issues above the rate of competition
- does that manager win more than lose on transactions
- does that manager show wisdom with investments, save and spend at the right times
- does that manager make a habit of holding him/herself accountable
- is that manager a destination for talented staff
It might be the herd, but I don't see much by way of cogent measurements and evidence to support success from the stragglers.
I'm firm on the record, the head coach and manager should be given three years.
Yet people on here want to defend Gettleman and blame everything on everyone else. It's not just his fault, but he's as responsible as anyone, and he needs to be out of a job in January as a result.
There's zero reason to be optimistic about the direction this team is heading right now.
cannot agree more.
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dumb trade.
Uh, Pats traded a 2nd for a WR who is hurt and been a non factor. And he's older and making good money.
For instance, that's worse.
The pats are already in the playoffs. Are you serious? You can take liberties with your picks when you're trying to win a championship. When you're tanking (purposely or not) YOU DONT TRADE DRAFT PICKS FOR A FREE AGENT. Its insanely idiotic.
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dumb trade.
Uh, Pats traded a 2nd for a WR who is hurt and been a non factor. And he's older and making good money.
For instance, that's worse.
The pats are already in the playoffs. Are you serious? You can take liberties with your picks when you're trying to win a championship. When you're tanking (purposely or not) YOU DONT TRADE DRAFT PICKS FOR A FREE AGENT. Its insanely idiotic.
Some of these DG supporters are straight up dumb.. they would eventually argue that DG is better GM because he is able to get us the number 1 pick while that dumbass BB is getting the last pick in every round..