Reasonable? Far from it. He’s not a top 10 IDL in the league but is going to want to get paid like one. Kinda destroys the narrative trading for him made it easier to sign him given he’s already threatening to walk.
He's attempting to max his value which is standard. Call him unreasonable when in fact his contract is outrageous whether with the giants or some other team.
I mean whatever.
He’s unreasonable because he thinks he should be paid just below the Aaron Donald level. That’s literally the definition of unreasonable thinking
When he gets his contract you will know where his thinking is.
That’s not how it works. He thinks he’s worth a lot, he’s not just saying that to max his contract value out - he legitimately thinks it.
What he ends up signing for is what a team was willing to give him, not what he thinks he’s worth.
One point I made above that I hope the Giants are considering, is the amount of money available in the near term spending pool, and whether a team literally starting from the bottom should be shopping aggressively.
There is over 4B in cap space in the league over the next 2 years. Typically the first 2 years of a contract hold the most fully guaranteed money.
There are teams like the Colts, Bills, Ravens, Patriots, Cowboys, and Raiders with huge sums to spend, and are all in the hunt right now.
If there is ever a time to spend up the market it's when you 1) have a bunch of money and 2) are good.
There is going to be a very rich market for him, I hope the Giants have a number and stick to it. He's not a great player, not the type of player you get in a bidding or a franchise tag pissing match over.
And the last the thing the Giants should do is make a poor decision because of having traded for him.
The argument that he's not worth a 3rd rnd pick... Â
... is pretty silly. The guy can play and personally I'd love to add him as a core player while adding some more (and better) pure pass rushing talent.
And he put BJ into a rotational role. Our DL has been the best part of the team over the past few games. We don't have enough pure pass rushing, and obviously we know how poor our LB and secondary is.
The ONLY reason I would scratch my head on that trade is Why in the hell are we giving up a pick when he isn't signed.
Is irrelevant. He thinks he should be paid well. Whether that’s him thinking he’s worth $18 million and is shooting for $20 million doesn’t matter.
Anything over $12 million is unreasonable for Williams and erases the reasoning that they had to trade for him because it would be easier to keep him.
You and I aren't going to see eye to eye on this
My whole point is when he signs his contract then we will know. You are arguing that we know already. I don't agree with that.
The only wait and see relative to Williams is going to be a Â
Is irrelevant. He thinks he should be paid well. Whether that’s him thinking he’s worth $18 million and is shooting for $20 million doesn’t matter.
Anything over $12 million is unreasonable for Williams and erases the reasoning that they had to trade for him because it would be easier to keep him.
You and I aren't going to see eye to eye on this
My whole point is when he signs his contract then we will know. You are arguing that we know already. I don't agree with that.
No I’m arguing that Williams has a high value of himself and signing isn’t going to be easier or cheaper because we traded for him.
You can keep “waiting and seeing” and trusting this front office but I won’t. They’re incompetent
Is irrelevant. He thinks he should be paid well. Whether that’s him thinking he’s worth $18 million and is shooting for $20 million doesn’t matter.
Anything over $12 million is unreasonable for Williams and erases the reasoning that they had to trade for him because it would be easier to keep him.
You and I aren't going to see eye to eye on this
My whole point is when he signs his contract then we will know. You are arguing that we know already. I don't agree with that.
No I’m arguing that Williams has a high value of himself and signing isn’t going to be easier or cheaper because we traded for him.
You can keep “waiting and seeing” and trusting this front office but I won’t. They’re incompetent
I never said I trust the FO. I like to wait before celebrating a success or lamenting a failure. It's that simple.
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And expected from Williams.
Expected? Sure.
Reasonable? Far from it. He’s not a top 10 IDL in the league but is going to want to get paid like one. Kinda destroys the narrative trading for him made it easier to sign him given he’s already threatening to walk.
He's attempting to max his value which is standard. Call him unreasonable when in fact his contract is outrageous whether with the giants or some other team.
I mean whatever.
He’s unreasonable because he thinks he should be paid just below the Aaron Donald level. That’s literally the definition of unreasonable thinking
When he gets his contract you will know where his thinking is.
That’s not how it works. He thinks he’s worth a lot, he’s not just saying that to max his contract value out - he legitimately thinks it.
What he ends up signing for is what a team was willing to give him, not what he thinks he’s worth.
It's all a part of negotiations.
Anything over $12 million is unreasonable for Williams and erases the reasoning that they had to trade for him because it would be easier to keep him.
There is over 4B in cap space in the league over the next 2 years. Typically the first 2 years of a contract hold the most fully guaranteed money.
There are teams like the Colts, Bills, Ravens, Patriots, Cowboys, and Raiders with huge sums to spend, and are all in the hunt right now.
If there is ever a time to spend up the market it's when you 1) have a bunch of money and 2) are good.
There is going to be a very rich market for him, I hope the Giants have a number and stick to it. He's not a great player, not the type of player you get in a bidding or a franchise tag pissing match over.
And the last the thing the Giants should do is make a poor decision because of having traded for him.
And he put BJ into a rotational role. Our DL has been the best part of the team over the past few games. We don't have enough pure pass rushing, and obviously we know how poor our LB and secondary is.
The ONLY reason I would scratch my head on that trade is Why in the hell are we giving up a pick when he isn't signed.
Anything over $12 million is unreasonable for Williams and erases the reasoning that they had to trade for him because it would be easier to keep him.
You and I aren't going to see eye to eye on this
My whole point is when he signs his contract then we will know. You are arguing that we know already. I don't agree with that.
This deal was foolish...
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Is irrelevant. He thinks he should be paid well. Whether that’s him thinking he’s worth $18 million and is shooting for $20 million doesn’t matter.
Anything over $12 million is unreasonable for Williams and erases the reasoning that they had to trade for him because it would be easier to keep him.
You and I aren't going to see eye to eye on this
My whole point is when he signs his contract then we will know. You are arguing that we know already. I don't agree with that.
No I’m arguing that Williams has a high value of himself and signing isn’t going to be easier or cheaper because we traded for him.
You can keep “waiting and seeing” and trusting this front office but I won’t. They’re incompetent
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Is irrelevant. He thinks he should be paid well. Whether that’s him thinking he’s worth $18 million and is shooting for $20 million doesn’t matter.
Anything over $12 million is unreasonable for Williams and erases the reasoning that they had to trade for him because it would be easier to keep him.
You and I aren't going to see eye to eye on this
My whole point is when he signs his contract then we will know. You are arguing that we know already. I don't agree with that.
No I’m arguing that Williams has a high value of himself and signing isn’t going to be easier or cheaper because we traded for him.
You can keep “waiting and seeing” and trusting this front office but I won’t. They’re incompetent
I never said I trust the FO. I like to wait before celebrating a success or lamenting a failure. It's that simple.