NGT: Ryan Tannehill -

Him.

He has put on tape that he can still play. As Zeke mentioned, his problem was injuries and the dysfunction of Miami. He should be looking at one last payday. Tenn. will have about $60M to spend with no starting QB on the roster. They are doing well enough where they will be picking in the middle of the first round. They will have to trade up to get a choice prospect. Or they can hitch their wagon to Tannehill, but Ryan should have other suitors if he opts to shop around. Now, he won't be able to command the top-tier of QB salary, but he shouldn't settle for scraps. $20-$25M/yr should be his target.

He is under contract for 3 more years at much cheaper salary. Jax will need to unload him and they will have to eat the signing bonus.

is that he’s only on a one year deal following their trade for him. I think the Titans have to move forward with him, but what type of deal will he want? I think it’ll have to be something like 2 years/$30 mil

In comment 14707739 Diver_Down said:

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He is under contract for 3 more years at much cheaper salary. Jax will need to unload him and they will have to eat the signing bonus.

Tennessee already said they see Tannehill as their future. They definitely aren't trading for Foles. Jax is not going to be able to trade him. He'll be cut imo.

In comment 14707746 Ben in Tampa said:

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is that he’s only on a one year deal following their trade for him. I think the Titans have to move forward with him, but what type of deal will he want? I think it’ll have to be something like 2 years/$30 mil

$30M isn't going to cut it when the franchise tag is $25M. Tenn. might be forced to tag him just to not let him get away as they have no QB to fall back on. Of course, Tenn. could sign Eli for say $12M/yr and hope for a game manager roll while having an eye toward 2021 QB draft class.

What a good OL and running game can do for a QB.

Giants need to pay Conklin whatever he wants if he shakes loose.

Great job by Tennessee. Smart bunch.

that they're far better than I expected them to be. Solid TD:INT ratio over the years on a bunch of bad dolphins teams

I look at well-run organizations, how they identify talent, and how they coached that talent, and it just makes me shake my head. We are really in a bad spot, with no end in sight.

Good year and a QB that they have cheap they are now a smart bunch and well run organization? Talk about cherry picking to fit your stance. Tennessee said they see Tannehill as their future and are going to pay him. Does this mean they will now be dumb because they pay him?

What happened to the Oakland fans on here saying that Mayoco and Gruden turned that team around in one year? They suck.

let's not forget what transpired. Mariota was on the 5th year option. Ownership wanted Mariota to confirm their belief that they didn't make a mistake when they selected in. They were "all in" on Mariota in the ultimate "prove it" year. Tannehill was just a cheap backup because due to Mariota's playing style and history, it was likely that he would be injured at some point. Miami was desperate to move Tannehill. They had to tear up his old deal. Sign him to a new 1 day deal that paid most of his salary for this year and then trade him to Tenn. for the balance owed of less than $2M. Miami had to pay to get rid of Ryan.

The decision to trade for Tannehill was rooted in the insurance policy for Mariota that everyone including ownership wanted Mariota to succeed. He didn't and Tannehill has taken advantage of the opportunity. Good for him. But now Tenn is literally in QB hell. They will have none prior to FA. They will be picking too late in the first round to get the top-tier prospect. Their option is to pay market value for a QB such as Tannehill. Settle for a stopgap game manager. Or hope the draft allows for them to get lucky.

In comment 14707841 Diver_Down said:

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let's not forget what transpired. Mariota was on the 5th year option. Ownership wanted Mariota to confirm their belief that they didn't make a mistake when they selected in. They were "all in" on Mariota in the ultimate "prove it" year. Tannehill was just a cheap backup because due to Mariota's playing style and history, it was likely that he would be injured at some point. Miami was desperate to move Tannehill. They had to tear up his old deal. Sign him to a new 1 day deal that paid most of his salary for this year and then trade him to Tenn. for the balance owed of less than $2M. Miami had to pay to get rid of Ryan. The decision to trade for Tannehill was rooted in the insurance policy for Mariota that everyone including ownership wanted Mariota to succeed. He didn't and Tannehill has taken advantage of the opportunity. Good for him. But now Tenn is literally in QB hell. They will have none prior to FA. They will be picking too late in the first round to get the top-tier prospect. Their option is to pay market value for a QB such as Tannehill. Settle for a stopgap game manager. Or hope the draft allows for them to get lucky.

Bingo. It is getting tiresome reading that an organization is well run because they are currently winning. Hell, imagine people had that mentality with the Giants? No other team in history has a championship in every decade but us. Are we doing well? Obviously not but at least we have SB trophies compared to some of these other "well run organizations".

In comment 14707841 Diver_Down said:

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let's not forget what transpired. Mariota was on the 5th year option. Ownership wanted Mariota to confirm their belief that they didn't make a mistake when they selected in. They were "all in" on Mariota in the ultimate "prove it" year. Tannehill was just a cheap backup because due to Mariota's playing style and history, it was likely that he would be injured at some point. Miami was desperate to move Tannehill. They had to tear up his old deal. Sign him to a new 1 day deal that paid most of his salary for this year and then trade him to Tenn. for the balance owed of less than $2M. Miami had to pay to get rid of Ryan. The decision to trade for Tannehill was rooted in the insurance policy for Mariota that everyone including ownership wanted Mariota to succeed. He didn't and Tannehill has taken advantage of the opportunity. Good for him. But now Tenn is literally in QB hell. They will have none prior to FA. They will be picking too late in the first round to get the top-tier prospect. Their option is to pay market value for a QB such as Tannehill. Settle for a stopgap game manager. Or hope the draft allows for them to get lucky.

That's a good write-up until you swerved into the QB hell part. I don't think there is going to be this huge market for Tannehill. If so, where? My guess is he re-signs with Tenn at a reasonable cap hit...

In comment 14707830 robbieballs2003 said:

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Good year and a QB that they have cheap they are now a smart bunch and well run organization? Talk about cherry picking to fit your stance. Tennessee said they see Tannehill as their future and are going to pay him. Does this mean they will now be dumb because they pay him? What happened to the Oakland fans on here saying that Mayoco and Gruden turned that team around in one year? They suck.

Tennessee:

9-7 record the last 3 seasons.

8-5 this year.

That certainly surpasses anything this pathetic franchise has done since 2011, outside of one fluke one-and-done playoff appearance in 2016.

It’s not the time to pull punches-the Giants are arguably the worst franchise in the league, and have no clear path improvement anytime soon. I don’t know how anyone can dispute that.

In comment 14707841 Diver_Down said:

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let's not forget what transpired. Mariota was on the 5th year option. Ownership wanted Mariota to confirm their belief that they didn't make a mistake when they selected in. They were "all in" on Mariota in the ultimate "prove it" year. Tannehill was just a cheap backup because due to Mariota's playing style and history, it was likely that he would be injured at some point. Miami was desperate to move Tannehill. They had to tear up his old deal. Sign him to a new 1 day deal that paid most of his salary for this year and then trade him to Tenn. for the balance owed of less than $2M. Miami had to pay to get rid of Ryan. The decision to trade for Tannehill was rooted in the insurance policy for Mariota that everyone including ownership wanted Mariota to succeed. He didn't and Tannehill has taken advantage of the opportunity. Good for him. But now Tenn is literally in QB hell. They will have none prior to FA. They will be picking too late in the first round to get the top-tier prospect. Their option is to pay market value for a QB such as Tannehill. Settle for a stopgap game manager. Or hope the draft allows for them to get lucky.

I think you’re proving my point-they had the foresight to have a cable back up, and now he’s performing well, due to the coaching.

They also surrounded the quarterback with talent, and coach to his strengths. They have a plan, and they execute it well.

Like I said, they identify talent, and they coach that talent well. Way more than what this franchise can say.

The problem is that he’s never healthy. He’s playing the best football of his career but I wouldn’t expect him to maintain this level of performance. The Titans will franchise him if an extension isn’t reached.

I hope the Giants are watching the way Tennessee built that offensive line. I also hope they steal Conklin in FA to replace Remmers at RT. Grab either Wanogho, Jackson, Or Becton on day 2.

Also I hope they discuss why the hell they didn’t interview Mike Vrabel two years ago.

In comment 14707863 Jay on the Island said:

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The problem is that he’s never healthy. He’s playing the best football of his career but I wouldn’t expect him to maintain this level of performance. The Titans will franchise him if an extension isn’t reached. I hope the Giants are watching the way Tennessee built that offensive line. I also hope they steal Conklin in FA to replace Remmers at RT. Grab either Wanogho, Jackson, Or Becton on day 2. Also I hope they discuss why the hell they didn’t interview Mike Vrabel two years ago.

If Tennessee is such a well run organization then why are they letting him go?

Well, the reason they would let him go is because he hasn't played well and is injured. So, with that said, I am not head over heels about going after him.

In comment 14707863 Jay on the Island said:

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The problem is that he’s never healthy. He’s playing the best football of his career but I wouldn’t expect him to maintain this level of performance. The Titans will franchise him if an extension isn’t reached. I hope the Giants are watching the way Tennessee built that offensive line. I also hope they steal Conklin in FA to replace Remmers at RT. Grab either Wanogho, Jackson, Or Becton on day 2. Also I hope they discuss why the hell they didn’t interview Mike Vrabel two years ago.

This is a really good point-the Tennessee blueprint is what the Giants claim they want to be. Now they have to figure out how they’re going to execute this plan.

At least Tennessee had the courage and wherewithal to pull the plug on Mariota. They identified a problem, and corrected it. Now they’re being rewarded for it.

This organization stuck with their past his prime quarterback for about three years too many simply for nostalgia.

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At least Tennessee had the courage and wherewithal to pull the plug on Mariota. They identified a problem, and corrected it. Now they’re being rewarded for it. This organization stuck with their past his prime quarterback for about three years too many simply for nostalgia.

Agreed. Tennessee certainly hasn’t been great by any stretch, but they are light years better than the Giants. It always provides me with a chuckle when someone on this board denounces another franchise, while the Giants have been the undisputed worst franchise in the NFL the last 3 seasons. And since 2013 a bottom 5 franchise.

In comment 14707865 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14707863 Jay on the Island said: Quote: The problem is that he’s never healthy. He’s playing the best football of his career but I wouldn’t expect him to maintain this level of performance. The Titans will franchise him if an extension isn’t reached. I hope the Giants are watching the way Tennessee built that offensive line. I also hope they steal Conklin in FA to replace Remmers at RT. Grab either Wanogho, Jackson, Or Becton on day 2. Also I hope they discuss why the hell they didn’t interview Mike Vrabel two years ago. If Tennessee is such a well run organization then why are they letting him go? Well, the reason they would let him go is because he hasn't played well and is injured. So, with that said, I am not head over heels about going after him.

Where did I say they were a well run organization? They might not be able to afford him after paying Lewan and Saffold already and needing to work out an extension or franchise tag with Tannehill. We know already that the Giants wanted Conklin in the draft so I expect them to still have interest in him if he hits free agency.

From about 2006-2011. They will rumble with anyone. Could lose any game but could also win any game. Smash mouth run game and hard nosed defense. If a QB could come along that can raise the team up a hair and have some magic in him from time to time, they could shock the world like we did.

To a long term deal this offseason barring some complete collapse or unforeseen calamity. Bank on it.

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Great job by Tennessee. Smart bunch.

Why didn't they start him right away?

What will his cap hit be next year?

In comment 14707885 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14707865 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 14707863 Jay on the Island said: Quote: The problem is that he’s never healthy. He’s playing the best football of his career but I wouldn’t expect him to maintain this level of performance. The Titans will franchise him if an extension isn’t reached. I hope the Giants are watching the way Tennessee built that offensive line. I also hope they steal Conklin in FA to replace Remmers at RT. Grab either Wanogho, Jackson, Or Becton on day 2. Also I hope they discuss why the hell they didn’t interview Mike Vrabel two years ago. If Tennessee is such a well run organization then why are they letting him go? Well, the reason they would let him go is because he hasn't played well and is injured. So, with that said, I am not head over heels about going after him. Where did I say they were a well run organization? They might not be able to afford him after paying Lewan and Saffold already and needing to work out an extension or franchise tag with Tannehill. We know already that the Giants wanted Conklin in the draft so I expect them to still have interest in him if he hits free agency.

I wasn't saying you said that specifically. I was just going with the theme of the thread. I expect the Giants to have interest as well. I am just saying buyer beware.

In comment 14707830 robbieballs2003 said:

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Good year and a QB that they have cheap they are now a smart bunch and well run organization? Talk about cherry picking to fit your stance. Tennessee said they see Tannehill as their future and are going to pay him. Does this mean they will now be dumb because they pay him? What happened to the Oakland fans on here saying that Mayoco and Gruden turned that team around in one year? They suck.

They are a wait and see team. I’d take their HC in second though over ours.

Tough team. I even kind of liked marriota despite his ups and downs. He was a younger player winning games and figuring shit out. He even had a playoff win or two on his resume. But he allowed tannenhill the shot and it would appear the rest is history. From all accounts they really love him down there. He’s played well.

In comment 14707866 Vin_Cuccs said:

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In comment 14707863 Jay on the Island said: Quote: The problem is that he’s never healthy. He’s playing the best football of his career but I wouldn’t expect him to maintain this level of performance. The Titans will franchise him if an extension isn’t reached. I hope the Giants are watching the way Tennessee built that offensive line. I also hope they steal Conklin in FA to replace Remmers at RT. Grab either Wanogho, Jackson, Or Becton on day 2. Also I hope they discuss why the hell they didn’t interview Mike Vrabel two years ago. This is a really good point-the Tennessee blueprint is what the Giants claim they want to be. Now they have to figure out how they’re going to execute this plan.

When Gettleman was hired, I thought the way the Titans play was the vision of what he was talking about in terms of building the Giants.

Remember the game the two teams played last year in December where a portion of the fans blamed the loss on the rain? That was the tough type of team many of us who grew up in the 80's saw and hoped we can be instead of using the weather as the excuse for not winning.

Tennessee went 9-7 in 2017, rallied from 17 down to win their playoff game on the road and they STILL fired the coach the next week. If Shurmur were to do that NEXT season, folks would want to give him a contract extension and clown fans who doubted him.

In comment 14707916 BigBlueinChicago said:

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In comment 14707866 Vin_Cuccs said: Quote: In comment 14707863 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Remember the game the two teams played last year in December where a portion of the fans blamed the loss on the rain?

I absolutely do.
Fucking hand of God was useless that game too.

In comment 14707849 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14707841 Diver_Down said: Quote: let's not forget what transpired. Mariota was on the 5th year option. Ownership wanted Mariota to confirm their belief that they didn't make a mistake when they selected in. They were "all in" on Mariota in the ultimate "prove it" year. Tannehill was just a cheap backup because due to Mariota's playing style and history, it was likely that he would be injured at some point. Miami was desperate to move Tannehill. They had to tear up his old deal. Sign him to a new 1 day deal that paid most of his salary for this year and then trade him to Tenn. for the balance owed of less than $2M. Miami had to pay to get rid of Ryan. The decision to trade for Tannehill was rooted in the insurance policy for Mariota that everyone including ownership wanted Mariota to succeed. He didn't and Tannehill has taken advantage of the opportunity. Good for him. But now Tenn is literally in QB hell. They will have none prior to FA. They will be picking too late in the first round to get the top-tier prospect. Their option is to pay market value for a QB such as Tannehill. Settle for a stopgap game manager. Or hope the draft allows for them to get lucky. Bingo. It is getting tiresome reading that an organization is well run because they are currently winning. Hell, imagine people had that mentality with the Giants? No other team in history has a championship in every decade but us. Are we doing well? Obviously not but at least we have SB trophies compared to some of these other "well run organizations".

+2. Excellent analysis.

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In comment 14707774 Go Terps said: Quote: Great job by Tennessee. Smart bunch. Why didn't they start him right away? What will his cap hit be next year?

They didn't play him because there are people in that organization tied to Mariota.

They shouldn't sign Tannehill. Just use him for this year and move on. They aren't in QB hell... They'll enter 2020 completely free at the position.

In comment 14707937 Go Terps said:

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In comment 14707903 Mr. Bungle said: Quote: In comment 14707774 Go Terps said: Quote: Great job by Tennessee. Smart bunch. Why didn't they start him right away? What will his cap hit be next year? They didn't play him because there are people in that organization tied to Mariota. They shouldn't sign Tannehill. Just use him for this year and move on. They aren't in QB hell... They'll enter 2020 completely free at the position.

I think they could re-sign Tannehill at a reasonable cap price. There really isn't going to be this giant market for him.

demand. His contract is going to be very reasonable because like BW said, whats the market for him? Paying him 15-20 million for 2-3 years enables you to be choosy for what QB you want to trade up for in case you don't get a top pick

time and time again that one decent season will create a market for a QB?

IMO, IF RT is a decent starter, he'll get decent starter money, probably more.

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Yes. Him and Winston will be free agents.

Mariota would be an interesting pickup for a team still requiring a good deal of restructuring...

In comment 14708069 Jimmy Googs said:

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Mariota would be an interesting pickup for a team still requiring a good deal of restructuring...

It certainly would be interesting, but would it be a good pickup?

give your straight opinion...

In comment 14708097 Jimmy Googs said:

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give your straight opinion...

I am Asking you the question.

We need competition at all positions. And if we aren’t going QB this year in draft, we are going to need a strong backup anyway if DJ doesn’t improve his sense of a pass rush and/or that moron at Left Tackle keeps his job.

Do you have any views?

My view is that I am weary of added pressure by adding a player like Mariotta who would be called for if the offense isn't playing well whether it's the Qb's fault or not. I am aware that my view is possibly coddling and not something to worry over. I would prefer that money go elsewhere as well. I would see that money as a bit of a waste if there are other players at other positions of need to be had.

In comment 14708110 Jimmy Googs said:

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We need competition at all positions. And if we aren’t going QB this year in draft, we are going to need a strong backup anyway if DJ doesn’t improve his sense of a pass rush and/or that moron at Left Tackle keeps his job. Do you have any views?

If we have the #1 pick and trade with Miami, then we could swap picks and take their #19 pick and #23 pick. If they insist on keeping their #23 pick, then they would have to surrender a bounty of 2nd/3rd round picks to even the draft scale trade. I would consider the swap of picks, #19, their #2nd, and Rosen.

I'm not eager to pay a backup such as Mariota or even Tanney more than what DJ is making. Have Rosen continue to develop and be able to start if DJ doesn't improve. Both on rookie deals and competing.

having a good backup seems like a necessity to me.

Imagine if our record was 6-6 right now and DJ couldn’t go like tonight. You could piss the season away if the backup was a joke...

In comment 14708133 Diver_Down said:

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In comment 14708110 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: We need competition at all positions. And if we aren’t going QB this year in draft, we are going to need a strong backup anyway if DJ doesn’t improve his sense of a pass rush and/or that moron at Left Tackle keeps his job. Do you have any views? If we have the #1 pick and trade with Miami, then we could swap picks and take their #19 pick and #23 pick. If they insist on keeping their #23 pick, then they would have to surrender a bounty of 2nd/3rd round picks to even the draft scale trade. I would consider the swap of picks, #19, their #2nd, and Rosen. I'm not eager to pay a backup such as Mariota or even Tanney more than what DJ is making. Have Rosen continue to develop and be able to start if DJ doesn't improve. Both on rookie deals and competing.

I like your first paragraph far more than the second..

In comment 14708141 Jimmy Googs said:

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having a good backup seems like a necessity to me. Imagine if our record was 6-6 right now and DJ couldn’t go like tonight. You could piss the season away if the backup was a joke...

That's true, if the team can acquire Mariotta at a decent price, he would be a good backup. I am not opposed, as my view of adding too much pressure from adding a player like Mariotta is probably not a real concern.

terms like 'reasonable' and 'structured properly' envision a RT type situation of a couple mil, but coming in playing like 5-10 mil.

That rarely happens. Usually, a 2 mil QB shows why he only costs 2 mil, and a 5-10 mil backup proves why he's a backup and not worth 5-10 mil.

In comment 14708069 Jimmy Googs said:

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Mariota would be an interesting pickup for a team still requiring a good deal of restructuring...

Agreed, I think the Giants should bring in a solid veteran backup this offseason just for a year or two. Then they could draft a QB on day three either this year or next to serve as Jones' backup for the next few years. If Mariota is willing to accept 4-5 million on a 1 year deal then he would be my top choice. The other backup options that I prefer are Ryan Fitzpatrick (If Miami releases him which is likely if they draft Tua), Andy Dalton, Case Keenum, Matt Moore, or Blake Bortles.

I know many hate the idea of "wasting" a pick on a backup QB but I am usually in support of doing so. I would prefer to wait until 2021 to take a QB in the draft but if there is one they like this year on day 3 then they shouldn't hesitate to take him.

Having both Jones and his backup on rookie contracts frees up a lot of cap room to address other positions and to keep their own key FA's.

In comment 14707863 Jay on the Island said:

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The problem is that he’s never healthy. He’s playing the best football of his career but I wouldn’t expect him to maintain this level of performance. The Titans will franchise him if an extension isn’t reached. I hope the Giants are watching the way Tennessee built that offensive line. I also hope they steal Conklin in FA to replace Remmers at RT. Grab either Wanogho, Jackson, Or Becton on day 2. Also I hope they discuss why the hell they didn’t interview Mike Vrabel two years ago.

Vrabel looks to be a good coach.