they are NOT trading down. He has never done it in his career. He was give you some line about not getting cute and will take Young as opposed to maximizing the value of the pick to get what they need AND move to the appropriate slot (#2) to get Young.
The Giants will have enough fans pushing that message. They will have their paid media mouthpieces doing the same and that will be how it goes down.
for a massive haul. Obviously you hope to be able to position yourself to still get Chase Young great, but if someone bowls you over with some massive offer you take it and don't think twice. Still a long shot though even with cincy having 2 winnable games left (Miami and Cleveland).
Burrow is having a spectacular year, but you don't give up on a guy who is already showing himself to be a competent NFL QB for a guy off a single big year. You only do that for Andrew Luck, and Burrow is not in that stratosphere.
That's not specifically a Daniel Jones opinion either, I wouldn't give up Mayfield, Darnold, or Josh Allen for Burrow either if I was those teams.
is not trading down. He's never done so, and certainly won't from a top five pick. Although he would never say so explicitly, I think it's pretty clear he's philosophically opposed to trading down in any round. Reese was the same.
My point is not that he should trade down if Young is on the board, only that it's legitimate to ask why this team has permanently abandoned a viable draft strategy, especially when it has so many needs.
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is not trading down. He's never done so, and certainly won't from a top five pick. Although he would never say so explicitly, I think it's pretty clear he's philosophically opposed to trading down in any round. Reese was the same.
My point is not that he should trade down if Young is on the board, only that it's legitimate to ask why this team has permanently abandoned a viable draft strategy, especially when it has so many needs.
This is exactly why Gettleman cannot be the one making the pick. He is awful at asset management.
will be a Barkley redux in that everyone will know who we're taking by the end of the combine. DG will talk about a "gold jacket" player, "don't get cute," and how all he was offered was a hot dog, pretzel, and box of doughnuts for the #1 pick.
Then we'll pick at #33 or #34, and not again until the end of the third year. Like this year, we'll have to watch 65 or so players come off the board between the top of the second and the bottom of the third round.
for a massive haul. Obviously you hope to be able to position yourself to still get Chase Young great, but if someone bowls you over with some massive offer you take it and don't think twice. Still a long shot though even with cincy having 2 winnable games left (Miami and Cleveland).
Burrow is having a spectacular year, but you don't give up on a guy who is already showing himself to be a competent NFL QB for a guy off a single big year. You only do that for Andrew Luck, and Burrow is not in that stratosphere.
That's not specifically a Daniel Jones opinion either, I wouldn't give up Mayfield, Darnold, or Josh Allen for Burrow either if I was those teams.
Absolutely right, I would need to be blown away to pass on Young but it can’t hurt to listen. In a perfect world Cincy would trade up from the 2nd spot to prevent Miami or another team from doing so. The Giants would still get Young plus a 2nd round pick and possibly more.
trade down... if Chase Young really is the prize for you theres a lot to consider, it would open up the opportunity for another team (like the Redskins) to trade in front of us and snatch him from our grasp.
Now maybe you would rather say an Andrew Thomas and a nice haul of picks, and I totally get that. But if you're all in on Chase you need to realize you risk losing him in a trade down.
If we actually do get the #1 pick, manage to trade down, AND get Chase...
Naked backflips. Straight up.
But that is likely a dream.
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for a massive haul. Obviously you hope to be able to position yourself to still get Chase Young great, but if someone bowls you over with some massive offer you take it and don't think twice. Still a long shot though even with cincy having 2 winnable games left (Miami and Cleveland).
Burrow is having a spectacular year, but you don't give up on a guy who is already showing himself to be a competent NFL QB for a guy off a single big year. You only do that for Andrew Luck, and Burrow is not in that stratosphere.
That's not specifically a Daniel Jones opinion either, I wouldn't give up Mayfield, Darnold, or Josh Allen for Burrow either if I was those teams.
Absolutely right, I would need to be blown away to pass on Young but it can’t hurt to listen. In a perfect world Cincy would trade up from the 2nd spot to prevent Miami or another team from doing so. The Giants would still get Young plus a 2nd round pick and possibly more.
Why would Cincinnati (if they are drafting #2) have to get involved in a fake bidding war when they can do all the intel on Gettleman’s draft history to know that he is not trading his pick because he’s never traded down?
If Cincinnati is at #2, they can feel very confident that the Giants won’t trade back to #3. So they can sit there and wait for Burrow as he will be there and they won’t buy any smokescreens the Giants may put up.
picks for the Giants 1st rounder, then tell the best offer to stand by. If Chase is available when the Giants select, take him. If he's taken beforehand, do the trade with the team standing by.
LOVE the BBI clowns saying DG wont even listen to offers. you sound stupid. of course he will listen but end of the day, he KNOWS he needs an impact defender or OT. i doubt he would do anything that risks losing the top at either spot.
my guess is IF we finish one, he listens to an offer from miami but they will be picking like 3-5 and we will lose young.
LOVE the BBI clowns saying DG wont even listen to offers. you sound stupid. of course he will listen but end of the day, he KNOWS he needs an impact defender or OT. i doubt he would do anything that risks losing the top at either spot.
my guess is IF we finish one, he listens to an offer from miami but they will be picking like 3-5 and we will lose young.
iu think young is our guy
If DG stays, which I think most would say is likely, I don’t see him trading down. If he didn’t trade down for Barkley, he ain’t trading down this time either. Young>Barkley
With a ten foot pole at 2, he got schooled by LSU speedy edge rushers and got exposed. Tristan Wirfs is better than Thomas IMHO. The only pick at 1 or 2 should be Chase Young and that’s it. Can’t have another OT who gets beat by speed rushers all day, if that’s the case then Keep Solder for the long term.
DG needs to still go about his business and create a board like everyone else but this time actually turn the phone on and work all the offers all the way up to draft day. And bring home a nice haul of picks so we can stair-step the improvement of this overall roster.
And the only thing you need to do to realize this is the correct strategy is compare the talent differential of the Eagles tonight versus our offensive and defensive units.
get some additional picks and take young. As awesome as young is if say the dolphins offered a hershel walker package that included their top ten pick this year, another one of their firsts this year and more picks you would have to consider it. But like many have pointed out gettleman is set in his ways
#1) Why would you take a one year wonder? Haskins was a 1 year wonder too and I think with better numbers. Burrows was a nobody last year. Was not even near anybody's radar, forget on it.
#2) Just what would you get for Jones? Why would you dump Jones now? Except for his fumbling(a curable disease) what is better in Burrows?
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The Giants passed on Allen at #6 for a controversial QB prospect who was touched by the hand of Cutcliffe. Allen was the seventh pick. I understand PFF grade Allen and Young in the same neighborhood, with Young a whisker higher. That's PFF, so take it FWIW. Are we really talking about a different level here? Based on the usual diet of cherry-picked YouTube highlights, Young shows a wider variety of moves, but are his tools markedly superior?
Not a rhetorical question. I have no opinion either way. I just think a team as bad as the Giants has to seriously consider adding extra picks, unless the blue-chipper on the board is a truly transformative talent.
#1) Why would you take a one year wonder? Haskins was a 1 year wonder too and I think with better numbers. Burrows was a nobody last year. Was not even near anybody's radar, forget on it.
#2) Just what would you get for Jones? Why would you dump Jones now? Except for his fumbling(a curable disease) what is better in Burrows?
1) Burrow was playing very well at the end of last year. You should watch his bowl game highlights vs UCF. He took some big hits but didn't slow him down. Went into that game rooting against him(LSU), by the end was very impressed.
2) I don't see them trading Jones and I don't think they should draft Burrow. The only way I see that happening is if you bring in a new GM next year. If DG goes the next GM has no allegiance to Jones and may want to bring in his guy.
Personally I hope they keep Jones, trade back 1-2 spots, and draft Young.
If DG is drafting I would be surprised if he did anything other than drafting Young with the first pick.
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The Giants passed on Allen at #6 for a controversial QB prospect who was touched by the hand of Cutcliffe. Allen was the seventh pick. I understand PFF grade Allen and Young in the same neighborhood, with Young a whisker higher. That's PFF, so take it FWIW. Are we really talking about a different level here? Based on the usual diet of cherry-picked YouTube highlights, Young shows a wider variety of moves, but are his tools markedly superior?
Not a rhetorical question. I have no opinion either way. I just think a team as bad as the Giants has to seriously consider adding extra picks, unless the blue-chipper on the board is a truly transformative talent.
I saw Young play against Wisconsin and he had a big day. Then watched him play Michigan and he was pretty quiet.
Seems like the word is he’ll win plenty of awards.
And my vote is to get more than one player...desperate all over this roster.
The Giants passed on Allen at #6 for a controversial QB prospect who was touched by the hand of Cutcliffe. Allen was the seventh pick. I understand PFF grade Allen and Young in the same neighborhood, with Young a whisker higher. That's PFF, so take it FWIW. Are we really talking about a different level here? Based on the usual diet of cherry-picked YouTube highlights, Young shows a wider variety of moves, but are his tools markedly superior?
Not a rhetorical question. I have no opinion either way. I just think a team as bad as the Giants has to seriously consider adding extra picks, unless the blue-chipper on the board is a truly transformative talent.
FWIW, we all should know that DG wanted Allen last year, badly. He also heard rumors that Jones would be taken between 7-16. QB is the more important position...so here we are.
I think all indicators are that Chase Young would be his pick, if he was still available, based on DGs wanting Allen last year.
Now for all the trade down folks who think more is better than one blue chipper - as comparison the Giants got Lawrence and then Baker in the 1st in addition to Jones. DLaw appears to be worth #17 but Baker has been a disappointment.
So trading with Miami - would getting the #3 or #4 plus an additional 1st rnd at about number 15 or at 25 be worth missing out on Young? I'm presuming the Giants at #1 or #2. I'd agree that being able to get both Young and the #15 is a no brainer. I'm assuming that both Cincy and Miami want QBs...so that would leave Young at #3.
What if Cincy takes Burrows at #1 and Miami wants to trade from #3 to #2? Do you chance that they want a QB and not Young? Would they be able to tell the Giants that they want a QB, but on the sly take Young? Can Gettleman base the trade on Miami guaranteeing that they are taking a QB and not Young?
trading the pick to accumulate multiple players is the best course of action.
Of course it presumes you need to scout and draft well, but if you think the Giants are at a disadvantage in this aspect then who’s advice are you relying on to take Young...Mel Kiper?
there is a greater difference in draft value to move from 3 to 1 instead of 2 to 1. CIN would only have to swap picks and give up their 2nd (we would have to yield a 4th or later to balance the scale). MIA would have to swap picks and give up the #19 and #23 (we would have to yield a late rounder to balance the scale).
I think the Bengals are taking a QB whether they are 1 or 2. The Red Rifle is only under contract for 1 year remaining and the organization has shown that he is no longer their guy. I don't see them taking Young. They could opt to trade down if they can't get #1 pick and still get their QB to say Washington.
Miami will take a QB. They were in love with Tua, but his injury and past injuries might be leaving them doubt. Them having their choice at #1 would be ideal for us to move to #3 while also getting #19 and #23.
there is a greater difference in draft value to move from 3 to 1 instead of 2 to 1. CIN would only have to swap picks and give up their 2nd (we would have to yield a 4th or later to balance the scale). MIA would have to swap picks and give up the #19 and #23 (we would have to yield a late rounder to balance the scale).
this would be the best scenario for the Giants. Could create a bit of a bidding war between Miami and Cinci. Particularly if they feel they may lose their franchise QB. Then you could throw draft charts out the window.
there is a greater difference in draft value to move from 3 to 1 instead of 2 to 1. CIN would only have to swap picks and give up their 2nd (we would have to yield a 4th or later to balance the scale). MIA would have to swap picks and give up the #19 and #23 (we would have to yield a late rounder to balance the scale).
this would be the best scenario for the Giants. Could create a bit of a bidding war between Miami and Cinci. Particularly if they feel they may lose their franchise QB. Then you could throw draft charts out the window.
Exactly. When it comes to getting your choice of QBs, we have seen in the past that draft charts are a guideline but there is always an overpay. We may not have to "tip the scales" in either scenario.
Ideally, Miami makes the trade to #1 for their 3 first rounders. If they insist on keeping their later 1st, then they must either give up next year's #1 (which most likely is way better than #23) or surrender a bounty of 2nd and 3rd rounders.
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come out with a very public statement that their phones are on and they're ready to listen to offers. Even if that's just to try to force the Bengals or Miami (whoever's 2nd) into blinking and trading with us.
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One reason you do that is this, Young is best defensive player but a QB is the best player in the draft. You either select a guy at #1 who is a QB or the final piece to a puzzle (offensively or defensively) or, if a single player is not the final piece you trade down some for a bundle of picks.
1981 the Giants drafted LT #2. BUt, we had Carson, Van Pelt, Kelley, Jeter, Martin etc. already on defense. We had a young QB we drafted in the first round 2 drafts prior so he was a build around guy at that point. LT was the finishing touches on a defense that just needed one big attraction- pass rusher/ game changer.
2019 (2020 draft)- we have holes everywhere on defense. We have a young QB to build around but we need Oline, TE and WR help as well.
If we end up at #1, we take a deal with a team wanting Burrow (within top 5) and we get multiple 2020 and 2021 draft picks.
Take Burrow and trade Jones to Cinny or Miami for their pick. I watched Young in Michigan and Wisconsin games. I do not see the enthusiasm for him. Burrow on the other hand looks great.
Take Burrow and trade Jones to Cinny or Miami for their pick. I watched Young in Michigan and Wisconsin games. I do not see the enthusiasm for him. Burrow on the other hand looks great.
LOL...0% chance anyone trades a top 5 pick for Daniel Jones.
If we pick two or three, I worry that Gettleman will take some shiny object and NOT trade down when this team has holes in every area.
He doesn't trade down. He has set aside one of the more useful tools teams have in acquiring players. The draft is a crap shoot. The only way to win is have more chances.
Yeah, the word "touch" can't get with a 100 square miles of LT...
Not to mention after drafting LT in '81, they drafted Terry Kinard and Leonard Marshall in the 1st and second rounds in '83, and then two more excellent LBs, Carl Banks and Gary Reasons, in the 1st and 4th rounds in '84.
Taylor was drafted because he was the BPA, period.
#1) Why would you take a one year wonder? Haskins was a 1 year wonder too and I think with better numbers. Burrows was a nobody last year. Was not even near anybody's radar, forget on it.
#2) Just what would you get for Jones? Why would you dump Jones now? Except for his fumbling(a curable disease) what is better in Burrows?
1. Burrow is nothing like Haskins. In Burrow I see an accurate passer with great feet and excellent pocket awareness who gets through his reads quickly. Doesn't have a cannon, but makes up for it by getting the ball on time and being clean mechanically. He's as clean as you could want a QB prospect to be, and by all accounts has top intangibles.
2. I'm not looking to "dump" Jones. Having the #1 pick overall (if we have it) is a rare opportunity...if there's a QB there that represents an upgrade I'm doing it every time. And to me, Burrow is a clear upgrade over what Jones brings. As for what we'd get for Jones, I don't know. I imagine a lot of that would depend on timing...the sooner the trade is made the better. I don't discount the possibility of getting a first round pick.
It's all academic unless Gettleman is fired. If we finish 2-14, secure the top pick, and Gettleman is fired, I think this is a real possibility.
We both know Gettleman is going nowhere. Mara will do another half assed routine where the coaching staff is sent packing, but Gettleman is brought back.
Gettleman steered the ship from the #2 pick overall to the #1 pick overall, and his reward will be to keep his job. Maybe he'll have the opportunity to pass on Trevor Lawrence next year because we already have Jones.
But it's certainly not hard to picture Resume setting the record for fastest pick submitted.
And in the post-draft interview:
"When I saw Young play, I saw a professional pass rusher..."
If DG is still the GM we are drafting Chase Young. This is the home of LT. We are not going to pass on Chase Young, we are not going to get cute and trade down. We need pass rush more than anything. I would not Criticize ANY team for drafting Young number 1. I think he is the best player in college football. I do not feel it is close.
They discuss the possibility of Shurmur (and possibly Gettleman) being fired, and whether the successor(s) could want to go in a different direction at quarterback.
Peter King:
"I think if you don't believe in Daniel Jones you're probably not going to get the second interview."
If you're John Mara you can't take that approach when you're talking about hiring a GM and/or head coach after going (possibly) 33-59 the last 6 seasons. The processes governing the Giants have been deeply flawed, including the processes that led to drafting Jones. Whether or not Jones is the QB going forward can't be Mara's decision if he's truly interested in fixing things.
The thought that we might turn away candidates for Daniel Jones is extremely disquieting. Link - ( New Window )
But it's certainly not hard to picture Resume setting the record for fastest pick submitted.
And in the post-draft interview:
"When I saw Young play, I saw a professional pass rusher..."
If DG is still the GM we are drafting Chase Young. This is the home of LT. We are not going to pass on Chase Young, we are not going to get cute and trade down. We need pass rush more than anything. I would not Criticize ANY team for drafting Young number 1. I think he is the best player in college football. I do not feel it is close.
I get it. Taking Young isn't a bad idea.
But I think it's worth asking if it's the best idea.
If we could, theoretically, parlay that pick into more future first and second rounders, because there is precedence for a huge bounty in return, then I think it's worth taking that listening tour...
They discuss the possibility of Shurmur (and possibly Gettleman) being fired, and whether the successor(s) could want to go in a different direction at quarterback.
Peter King:
"I think if you don't believe in Daniel Jones you're probably not going to get the second interview."
If you're John Mara you can't take that approach when you're talking about hiring a GM and/or head coach after going (possibly) 33-59 the last 6 seasons. The processes governing the Giants have been deeply flawed, including the processes that led to drafting Jones. Whether or not Jones is the QB going forward can't be Mara's decision if he's truly interested in fixing things.
The thought that we might turn away candidates for Daniel Jones is extremely disquieting. Link - ( New Window )
I like Jones a lot, I'm very excited to have him. But you can't box your people in. Mara isn't the person qualified to make that analysis on Jones.
#1) Why would you take a one year wonder? Haskins was a 1 year wonder too and I think with better numbers. Burrows was a nobody last year. Was not even near anybody's radar, forget on it.
#2) Just what would you get for Jones? Why would you dump Jones now? Except for his fumbling(a curable disease) what is better in Burrows?
1. Burrow is nothing like Haskins. In Burrow I see an accurate passer with great feet and excellent pocket awareness who gets through his reads quickly. Doesn't have a cannon, but makes up for it by getting the ball on time and being clean mechanically. He's as clean as you could want a QB prospect to be, and by all accounts has top intangibles.
2. I'm not looking to "dump" Jones. Having the #1 pick overall (if we have it) is a rare opportunity...if there's a QB there that represents an upgrade I'm doing it every time. And to me, Burrow is a clear upgrade over what Jones brings. As for what we'd get for Jones, I don't know. I imagine a lot of that would depend on timing...the sooner the trade is made the better. I don't discount the possibility of getting a first round pick.
It's all academic unless Gettleman is fired. If we finish 2-14, secure the top pick, and Gettleman is fired, I think this is a real possibility.
I share your affinity for Burrow, but you don't see most of those same qualities in Jones? I actually think they have a lot of similarities with the way you described him. Athleticism, feet, intangibles, ball placement, etc.
I would guess that the pocket awareness is where you'd have some issues, given the fumbling problems he's had. But we saw early on especially that he absolutely had the feet and ability to maneuver in the pocket. The complete collapse of the offensive line since then I think has potentially created some bad habits that will need to be corrected. Plus he's being coaches by absolute losers. But we saw the ability there at times.
I see the point you make that all options should be on the table. And (hopefully) a new coach/GM would have that option available to them. But I think we've seen enough flashes from Jones to suggest that passing on the opportunity to draft the elite pass rusher we desperately need would not be the best use of the pick.
I've been a bit surprised to see your lukewarm opinion on Jones lately. I think he's handled a shitty situation about as well as possible.
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They discuss the possibility of Shurmur (and possibly Gettleman) being fired, and whether the successor(s) could want to go in a different direction at quarterback.
Peter King:
"I think if you don't believe in Daniel Jones you're probably not going to get the second interview."
If you're John Mara you can't take that approach when you're talking about hiring a GM and/or head coach after going (possibly) 33-59 the last 6 seasons. The processes governing the Giants have been deeply flawed, including the processes that led to drafting Jones. Whether or not Jones is the QB going forward can't be Mara's decision if he's truly interested in fixing things.
The thought that we might turn away candidates for Daniel Jones is extremely disquieting. Link - ( New Window )
The Giants have made numerous mistakes putting the interests of one position over the interests of the rest of the team, I hope they don’t do it again.
But I think it's worth asking if it's the best idea.
If we could, theoretically, parlay that pick into more future first and second rounders, because there is precedence for a huge bounty in return, then I think it's worth taking that listening tour...
The team would be negligent if they didn't take stock of any offers. However, when the player is special, I think you have to take the player. Young is special. The Niners could've traded down for more picks, but took Nick Bosa instead. It's very early, but I doubt they regret that move.
As I said in another thread, I'd probably look askance at anyone who doesn't believe in Daniel Jones. I'm okay with the Giants potentially brushing aside some HC/GM candidates because of that.
I like Jones and I sympathize with his situation, but the truth is he hasn't elevated the team even a little bit. There are just too many negative plays. It's like watching Eli all over again - we lived with it with Eli because he came up massive in two Super Bowl runs, but the odds that Jones has anything like that in him are practically zero.
By the Chicago game he was bailing on a lot of throws and failing to step up into the pocket. I know the offensive line sucks, but he's not doing anything to help make their jobs easier. The Kahlil Mack strip sack, for example, is completely on Jones...most people blamed Solder for it, but Solder isn't supposed to be protecting a QB that's 9 yards behind the line of scrimmage.
I'm not kicking dirt on Jones. He's a rookie on a poorly constructed and poorly coached team. I just don't see him elevating anyone around him. Eli was pulled for general ineffectiveness - the offense was struggling to even get to 20 points. Well with Jones that hasn't improved. He's only at 6.4 YPA and the team is scoring 19 points a game.
But I think it's worth asking if it's the best idea.
If we could, theoretically, parlay that pick into more future first and second rounders, because there is precedence for a huge bounty in return, then I think it's worth taking that listening tour...
The team would be negligent if they didn't take stock of any offers. However, when the player is special, I think you have to take the player. Young is special. The Niners could've traded down for more picks, but took Nick Bosa instead. It's very early, but I doubt they regret that move.
As I said in another thread, I'd probably look askance at anyone who doesn't believe in Daniel Jones. I'm okay with the Giants potentially brushing aside some HC/GM candidates because of that.
Is Young special enough to pass on an RG3 type deal - three first rounders and a second rounder?
And that was for the Skins to move up to the #2 slot. It could be more if we have the #1 slot.
I still think I've seen enough in the good moments to want to stick with him though, and that a better coach could get a lot out of him and correct some of those bad habits. I look at how Shannahan has elevated Garropolo, what McVay has done for Goff in their good moments, how Roman has gotten the absolute most out of Lamar (not taking anything away from Lamar himself), and can't help but wonder what could be if we could nail the coaching hire, given the reasonable offensive talent in place already. Shurmur consistently finds ways to get the least out of the talent available to him.
And as I watch the 49ers I see how a player like Bosa has helped transform their defense, and I want one of our own. Chase Young is in that category. I don't think the difference in Burrow and Jones is enough to justify passing up a game wrecker like that. But it's an interesting discussion. I think we need to honestly assess every part of the organization
But I think it's worth asking if it's the best idea.
If we could, theoretically, parlay that pick into more future first and second rounders, because there is precedence for a huge bounty in return, then I think it's worth taking that listening tour...
The team would be negligent if they didn't take stock of any offers. However, when the player is special, I think you have to take the player. Young is special. The Niners could've traded down for more picks, but took Nick Bosa instead. It's very early, but I doubt they regret that move.
As I said in another thread, I'd probably look askance at anyone who doesn't believe in Daniel Jones. I'm okay with the Giants potentially brushing aside some HC/GM candidates because of that.
Is Young special enough to pass on an RG3 type deal - three first rounders and a second rounder?
And that was for the Skins to move up to the #2 slot. It could be more if we have the #1 slot.
That's a lot of draft capital...
I would absolutely take that trade no matter who is on the board, even Young.
Is Young special enough to pass on an RG3 type deal - three first rounders and a second rounder?
And that was for the Skins to move up to the #2 slot. It could be more if we have the #1 slot.
That's a lot of draft capital...
One has to make this decision based on several factors, one of which is the quality of the individual prospect(s) you'd be bypassing. There's also the strength of the draft to consider, especially as it pertains to how far down you'd be moving.
Take the 2012 draft, for example. As much as I like Daniel Jones, RG3 was a better prospect and I probably take him and don't trade.
Take the 2016 draft, for example. I wouldn't take Wentz over Jones (as prospects), but I also wouldn't be interested in trading down so far that I can't reasonably get Joey Bosa or Jalen Ramsey.
The 2018 draft is more difficult. I truly believe Barkley was the best prospect in the draft. Let's say the Giants had the third pick in that draft (instead of #2) and Darnold and Barkley are the first 2 picks. I almost certainly trade down.
In this draft, the only 2 players I LOVE as top 5 picks are Young and Wirfs. If the Giants fuck up and win some games, I would strongly consider trading down.
"At the end of the day" (TM Antrel Rolle), it's as much about who you're passing up on as what you're getting in return. I'd prefer the known quantity of a current prospect to unknown future assets.
isn't Burrow who had very different numbers last year.
It's Joe Brady, LSU's "Passing game coordinator" who basically transformed LSU's offense into what it is.
Take him away and Burrow looks very different.
A couple years ago bw in dc said Lamar Jackson may have been in part a product of Bobby Petrino's offense. My response was, "so then hire Petrino as the head coach".
My response would be the same here: if Burrow benefits greatly from Joe Brady, then hire Joe Brady as the head coach or the OC. Burrow is playing phenomenally well against the best that college football has to offer - those are the guys that are going to be populating the NFL over the next 5 years.
What do we have to lose? The Giants are at rock bottom here and shouldn't feel attached to anybody, including Daniel Jones. It might as well be an expansion team.
I'd expect him to give Young a long, long look. If he doesn't like him, I'd look to trade down. Unfortunately, this draft is looking light on blue chips. The OTs and ERs are not looking worth a top 5 pick, imo.
isn't Burrow who had very different numbers last year.
It's Joe Brady, LSU's "Passing game coordinator" who basically transformed LSU's offense into what it is.
Take him away and Burrow looks very different.
I've campaigned the last month or so for Brady to be a HC candidate in the NFL. LSU has gone from black and white TV to high definition on offense thanks to him. It's an unbelievable transformation.
But Burrow is still the trigger man. So he gets credit, too. They are loaded, btw, with receivers.
The Giants passed on Allen at #6 for a controversial QB prospect who was touched by the hand of Cutcliffe. Allen was the seventh pick. I understand PFF grade Allen and Young in the same neighborhood, with Young a whisker higher. That's PFF, so take it FWIW. Are we really talking about a different level here? Based on the usual diet of cherry-picked YouTube highlights, Young shows a wider variety of moves, but are his tools markedly superior?
Not a rhetorical question. I have no opinion either way. I just think a team as bad as the Giants has to seriously consider adding extra picks, unless the blue-chipper on the board is a truly transformative talent.
I will gladly admit to watching more of Josh Allen on highlight edited reels, vs more if Chase Young in actual game action. I can't claim to have seriously studied either as a scout would do. But I rely on my "fast slicing" vision more than breaking down a player and logging notes from each play... I like Chase Young better.
Among Allen's highlights, I saw far too many plays when his brilliant looking sack, TFL, OR big hit and FF were plays where he was untouched. Mistakes by his opponent's or clever play design by his DC at Kentucky.
Young doesn't seem to get those opportunities because, at least this year, offenses don't let him go unnoticed and unblocked to the QB.
Offenses scheme to stop Young. Didn't see that with Allen..
isn't Burrow who had very different numbers last year.
It's Joe Brady, LSU's "Passing game coordinator" who basically transformed LSU's offense into what it is.
Take him away and Burrow looks very different.
I don't think that's fair to Burrow. Last year was his first year starting and it was in arguably the most difficult conference in the country. He got better as the year went on and was very impressive at the end of the season including monster games vs. Texas tech and Central Florida. This year he continued to progress to where he is now. I am sure Brady has helped him significantly, but I think you are selling Burrow short
isn't Burrow who had very different numbers last year.
It's Joe Brady, LSU's "Passing game coordinator" who basically transformed LSU's offense into what it is.
Take him away and Burrow looks very different.
I don't think that's fair to Burrow. Last year was his first year starting and it was in arguably the most difficult conference in the country. He got better as the year went on and was very impressive at the end of the season including monster games vs. Texas tech and Central Florida. This year he continued to progress to where he is now. I am sure Brady has helped him significantly, but I think you are selling Burrow short
The Giants will have enough fans pushing that message. They will have their paid media mouthpieces doing the same and that will be how it goes down.
If a new GM is in place....all bets are off.
Burrow is having a spectacular year, but you don't give up on a guy who is already showing himself to be a competent NFL QB for a guy off a single big year. You only do that for Andrew Luck, and Burrow is not in that stratosphere.
That's not specifically a Daniel Jones opinion either, I wouldn't give up Mayfield, Darnold, or Josh Allen for Burrow either if I was those teams.
My point is not that he should trade down if Young is on the board, only that it's legitimate to ask why this team has permanently abandoned a viable draft strategy, especially when it has so many needs.
Another GM? Who knows. Could draft Burrow or trade down in addition to selecting Young.
My point is not that he should trade down if Young is on the board, only that it's legitimate to ask why this team has permanently abandoned a viable draft strategy, especially when it has so many needs.
This is exactly why Gettleman cannot be the one making the pick. He is awful at asset management.
Then we'll pick at #33 or #34, and not again until the end of the third year. Like this year, we'll have to watch 65 or so players come off the board between the top of the second and the bottom of the third round.
If Miami is 3rd....maybe....leverage them....and hope they both go Qb......but risky.....again,
The Giants will just draft Chase.....and not listen to offers
Burrow is having a spectacular year, but you don't give up on a guy who is already showing himself to be a competent NFL QB for a guy off a single big year. You only do that for Andrew Luck, and Burrow is not in that stratosphere.
That's not specifically a Daniel Jones opinion either, I wouldn't give up Mayfield, Darnold, or Josh Allen for Burrow either if I was those teams.
Absolutely right, I would need to be blown away to pass on Young but it can’t hurt to listen. In a perfect world Cincy would trade up from the 2nd spot to prevent Miami or another team from doing so. The Giants would still get Young plus a 2nd round pick and possibly more.
Now maybe you would rather say an Andrew Thomas and a nice haul of picks, and I totally get that. But if you're all in on Chase you need to realize you risk losing him in a trade down.
If we actually do get the #1 pick, manage to trade down, AND get Chase...
Naked backflips. Straight up.
But that is likely a dream.
I don't think we trade down. If we do, it will likely be for a spot that is out of reach for Young.
Won't happen. Cindy will know Gettleman is bluffing, because he wouldn't possibly trade down to Miani's spot.
And in the post-draft interview:
"When I saw Young play, I saw a professional pass rusher..."
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for a massive haul. Obviously you hope to be able to position yourself to still get Chase Young great, but if someone bowls you over with some massive offer you take it and don't think twice. Still a long shot though even with cincy having 2 winnable games left (Miami and Cleveland).
Burrow is having a spectacular year, but you don't give up on a guy who is already showing himself to be a competent NFL QB for a guy off a single big year. You only do that for Andrew Luck, and Burrow is not in that stratosphere.
That's not specifically a Daniel Jones opinion either, I wouldn't give up Mayfield, Darnold, or Josh Allen for Burrow either if I was those teams.
Absolutely right, I would need to be blown away to pass on Young but it can’t hurt to listen. In a perfect world Cincy would trade up from the 2nd spot to prevent Miami or another team from doing so. The Giants would still get Young plus a 2nd round pick and possibly more.
Why would Cincinnati (if they are drafting #2) have to get involved in a fake bidding war when they can do all the intel on Gettleman’s draft history to know that he is not trading his pick because he’s never traded down?
If Cincinnati is at #2, they can feel very confident that the Giants won’t trade back to #3. So they can sit there and wait for Burrow as he will be there and they won’t buy any smokescreens the Giants may put up.
If we could do the king's ransom approach, and it works, I seriously root for another catastrophe in 2020 so we can possibly draft Lawrence... ;)
my guess is IF we finish one, he listens to an offer from miami but they will be picking like 3-5 and we will lose young.
iu think young is our guy
my guess is IF we finish one, he listens to an offer from miami but they will be picking like 3-5 and we will lose young.
iu think young is our guy
If DG stays, which I think most would say is likely, I don’t see him trading down. If he didn’t trade down for Barkley, he ain’t trading down this time either. Young>Barkley
This is the optimum scenario
And the only thing you need to do to realize this is the correct strategy is compare the talent differential of the Eagles tonight versus our offensive and defensive units.
And they might not even be a playoff team...
#1) Why would you take a one year wonder? Haskins was a 1 year wonder too and I think with better numbers. Burrows was a nobody last year. Was not even near anybody's radar, forget on it.
#2) Just what would you get for Jones? Why would you dump Jones now? Except for his fumbling(a curable disease) what is better in Burrows?
Not a rhetorical question. I have no opinion either way. I just think a team as bad as the Giants has to seriously consider adding extra picks, unless the blue-chipper on the board is a truly transformative talent.
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#1) Why would you take a one year wonder? Haskins was a 1 year wonder too and I think with better numbers. Burrows was a nobody last year. Was not even near anybody's radar, forget on it.
#2) Just what would you get for Jones? Why would you dump Jones now? Except for his fumbling(a curable disease) what is better in Burrows?
1) Burrow was playing very well at the end of last year. You should watch his bowl game highlights vs UCF. He took some big hits but didn't slow him down. Went into that game rooting against him(LSU), by the end was very impressed.
2) I don't see them trading Jones and I don't think they should draft Burrow. The only way I see that happening is if you bring in a new GM next year. If DG goes the next GM has no allegiance to Jones and may want to bring in his guy.
Personally I hope they keep Jones, trade back 1-2 spots, and draft Young.
If DG is drafting I would be surprised if he did anything other than drafting Young with the first pick.
Another long off season ahead....
Another long off season ahead....
Well maybe three really good players is better than having the best player...
Not a rhetorical question. I have no opinion either way. I just think a team as bad as the Giants has to seriously consider adding extra picks, unless the blue-chipper on the board is a truly transformative talent.
I saw Young play against Wisconsin and he had a big day. Then watched him play Michigan and he was pretty quiet.
Seems like the word is he’ll win plenty of awards.
And my vote is to get more than one player...desperate all over this roster.
Epensa (or 2nd best edge + sized)
Simmons (or best ilb that truly pass defends)
Delpit (or best safety that can also play deep)
Not a rhetorical question. I have no opinion either way. I just think a team as bad as the Giants has to seriously consider adding extra picks, unless the blue-chipper on the board is a truly transformative talent.
FWIW, we all should know that DG wanted Allen last year, badly. He also heard rumors that Jones would be taken between 7-16. QB is the more important position...so here we are.
I think all indicators are that Chase Young would be his pick, if he was still available, based on DGs wanting Allen last year.
Now for all the trade down folks who think more is better than one blue chipper - as comparison the Giants got Lawrence and then Baker in the 1st in addition to Jones. DLaw appears to be worth #17 but Baker has been a disappointment.
So trading with Miami - would getting the #3 or #4 plus an additional 1st rnd at about number 15 or at 25 be worth missing out on Young? I'm presuming the Giants at #1 or #2. I'd agree that being able to get both Young and the #15 is a no brainer. I'm assuming that both Cincy and Miami want QBs...so that would leave Young at #3.
What if Cincy takes Burrows at #1 and Miami wants to trade from #3 to #2? Do you chance that they want a QB and not Young? Would they be able to tell the Giants that they want a QB, but on the sly take Young? Can Gettleman base the trade on Miami guaranteeing that they are taking a QB and not Young?
Of course it presumes you need to scout and draft well, but if you think the Giants are at a disadvantage in this aspect then who’s advice are you relying on to take Young...Mel Kiper?
I think the Bengals are taking a QB whether they are 1 or 2. The Red Rifle is only under contract for 1 year remaining and the organization has shown that he is no longer their guy. I don't see them taking Young. They could opt to trade down if they can't get #1 pick and still get their QB to say Washington.
Miami will take a QB. They were in love with Tua, but his injury and past injuries might be leaving them doubt. Them having their choice at #1 would be ideal for us to move to #3 while also getting #19 and #23.
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there is a greater difference in draft value to move from 3 to 1 instead of 2 to 1. CIN would only have to swap picks and give up their 2nd (we would have to yield a 4th or later to balance the scale). MIA would have to swap picks and give up the #19 and #23 (we would have to yield a late rounder to balance the scale).
this would be the best scenario for the Giants. Could create a bit of a bidding war between Miami and Cinci. Particularly if they feel they may lose their franchise QB. Then you could throw draft charts out the window.
Exactly. When it comes to getting your choice of QBs, we have seen in the past that draft charts are a guideline but there is always an overpay. We may not have to "tip the scales" in either scenario.
Ideally, Miami makes the trade to #1 for their 3 first rounders. If they insist on keeping their later 1st, then they must either give up next year's #1 (which most likely is way better than #23) or surrender a bounty of 2nd and 3rd rounders.
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Another long off season ahead....
Well maybe three really good players is better than having the best player...
Yeah, Just like Buffalo was going to trade a ton of picks to move up to #2 for a QB. BBI dream land.
Another long off season ahead....
One reason you do that is this, Young is best defensive player but a QB is the best player in the draft. You either select a guy at #1 who is a QB or the final piece to a puzzle (offensively or defensively) or, if a single player is not the final piece you trade down some for a bundle of picks.
1981 the Giants drafted LT #2. BUt, we had Carson, Van Pelt, Kelley, Jeter, Martin etc. already on defense. We had a young QB we drafted in the first round 2 drafts prior so he was a build around guy at that point. LT was the finishing touches on a defense that just needed one big attraction- pass rusher/ game changer.
2019 (2020 draft)- we have holes everywhere on defense. We have a young QB to build around but we need Oline, TE and WR help as well.
If we end up at #1, we take a deal with a team wanting Burrow (within top 5) and we get multiple 2020 and 2021 draft picks.
LOL...0% chance anyone trades a top 5 pick for Daniel Jones.
He doesn't trade down. He has set aside one of the more useful tools teams have in acquiring players. The draft is a crap shoot. The only way to win is have more chances.
Holy fuck!
Yeah, the word "touch" can't get with a 100 square miles of LT...
Holy fuck!
Yeah, the word "touch" can't get with a 100 square miles of LT...
Not to mention after drafting LT in '81, they drafted Terry Kinard and Leonard Marshall in the 1st and second rounds in '83, and then two more excellent LBs, Carl Banks and Gary Reasons, in the 1st and 4th rounds in '84.
Taylor was drafted because he was the BPA, period.
2020 second rounder.
2021 first rounder.
That should be provide enough talent around Jones, who will not be ready to win before 2021.
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#1) Why would you take a one year wonder? Haskins was a 1 year wonder too and I think with better numbers. Burrows was a nobody last year. Was not even near anybody's radar, forget on it.
#2) Just what would you get for Jones? Why would you dump Jones now? Except for his fumbling(a curable disease) what is better in Burrows?
1. Burrow is nothing like Haskins. In Burrow I see an accurate passer with great feet and excellent pocket awareness who gets through his reads quickly. Doesn't have a cannon, but makes up for it by getting the ball on time and being clean mechanically. He's as clean as you could want a QB prospect to be, and by all accounts has top intangibles.
2. I'm not looking to "dump" Jones. Having the #1 pick overall (if we have it) is a rare opportunity...if there's a QB there that represents an upgrade I'm doing it every time. And to me, Burrow is a clear upgrade over what Jones brings. As for what we'd get for Jones, I don't know. I imagine a lot of that would depend on timing...the sooner the trade is made the better. I don't discount the possibility of getting a first round pick.
It's all academic unless Gettleman is fired. If we finish 2-14, secure the top pick, and Gettleman is fired, I think this is a real possibility.
Given the way the Giants are run, it might not be.
(Kidding. Sort of.)
And in the post-draft interview:
"When I saw Young play, I saw a professional pass rusher..."
Peter King:
"I think if you don't believe in Daniel Jones you're probably not going to get the second interview."
If you're John Mara you can't take that approach when you're talking about hiring a GM and/or head coach after going (possibly) 33-59 the last 6 seasons. The processes governing the Giants have been deeply flawed, including the processes that led to drafting Jones. Whether or not Jones is the QB going forward can't be Mara's decision if he's truly interested in fixing things.
The thought that we might turn away candidates for Daniel Jones is extremely disquieting.
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And in the post-draft interview:
"When I saw Young play, I saw a professional pass rusher..."
If DG is still the GM we are drafting Chase Young. This is the home of LT. We are not going to pass on Chase Young, we are not going to get cute and trade down. We need pass rush more than anything. I would not Criticize ANY team for drafting Young number 1. I think he is the best player in college football. I do not feel it is close.
I get it. Taking Young isn't a bad idea.
But I think it's worth asking if it's the best idea.
If we could, theoretically, parlay that pick into more future first and second rounders, because there is precedence for a huge bounty in return, then I think it's worth taking that listening tour...
You wish.
Peter King:
"I think if you don't believe in Daniel Jones you're probably not going to get the second interview."
If you're John Mara you can't take that approach when you're talking about hiring a GM and/or head coach after going (possibly) 33-59 the last 6 seasons. The processes governing the Giants have been deeply flawed, including the processes that led to drafting Jones. Whether or not Jones is the QB going forward can't be Mara's decision if he's truly interested in fixing things.
The thought that we might turn away candidates for Daniel Jones is extremely disquieting. Link - ( New Window )
I like Jones a lot, I'm very excited to have him. But you can't box your people in. Mara isn't the person qualified to make that analysis on Jones.
I want a Chase Young. I want Joe Burrow. This team has a hole at every single position not named RB and maybe DT/NG. Every single one.
TRADE DOWN
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#1) Why would you take a one year wonder? Haskins was a 1 year wonder too and I think with better numbers. Burrows was a nobody last year. Was not even near anybody's radar, forget on it.
#2) Just what would you get for Jones? Why would you dump Jones now? Except for his fumbling(a curable disease) what is better in Burrows?
1. Burrow is nothing like Haskins. In Burrow I see an accurate passer with great feet and excellent pocket awareness who gets through his reads quickly. Doesn't have a cannon, but makes up for it by getting the ball on time and being clean mechanically. He's as clean as you could want a QB prospect to be, and by all accounts has top intangibles.
2. I'm not looking to "dump" Jones. Having the #1 pick overall (if we have it) is a rare opportunity...if there's a QB there that represents an upgrade I'm doing it every time. And to me, Burrow is a clear upgrade over what Jones brings. As for what we'd get for Jones, I don't know. I imagine a lot of that would depend on timing...the sooner the trade is made the better. I don't discount the possibility of getting a first round pick.
It's all academic unless Gettleman is fired. If we finish 2-14, secure the top pick, and Gettleman is fired, I think this is a real possibility.
I share your affinity for Burrow, but you don't see most of those same qualities in Jones? I actually think they have a lot of similarities with the way you described him. Athleticism, feet, intangibles, ball placement, etc.
I would guess that the pocket awareness is where you'd have some issues, given the fumbling problems he's had. But we saw early on especially that he absolutely had the feet and ability to maneuver in the pocket. The complete collapse of the offensive line since then I think has potentially created some bad habits that will need to be corrected. Plus he's being coaches by absolute losers. But we saw the ability there at times.
I see the point you make that all options should be on the table. And (hopefully) a new coach/GM would have that option available to them. But I think we've seen enough flashes from Jones to suggest that passing on the opportunity to draft the elite pass rusher we desperately need would not be the best use of the pick.
I've been a bit surprised to see your lukewarm opinion on Jones lately. I think he's handled a shitty situation about as well as possible.
Peter King:
"I think if you don't believe in Daniel Jones you're probably not going to get the second interview."
If you're John Mara you can't take that approach when you're talking about hiring a GM and/or head coach after going (possibly) 33-59 the last 6 seasons. The processes governing the Giants have been deeply flawed, including the processes that led to drafting Jones. Whether or not Jones is the QB going forward can't be Mara's decision if he's truly interested in fixing things.
The thought that we might turn away candidates for Daniel Jones is extremely disquieting. Link - ( New Window )
The Giants have made numerous mistakes putting the interests of one position over the interests of the rest of the team, I hope they don’t do it again.
Then draft Young with their 1st. Simple.
I get it. Taking Young isn't a bad idea.
But I think it's worth asking if it's the best idea.
If we could, theoretically, parlay that pick into more future first and second rounders, because there is precedence for a huge bounty in return, then I think it's worth taking that listening tour...
The team would be negligent if they didn't take stock of any offers. However, when the player is special, I think you have to take the player. Young is special. The Niners could've traded down for more picks, but took Nick Bosa instead. It's very early, but I doubt they regret that move.
As I said in another thread, I'd probably look askance at anyone who doesn't believe in Daniel Jones. I'm okay with the Giants potentially brushing aside some HC/GM candidates because of that.
Then draft Young with their 1st. Simple.
Draft talk is so idiotic and never-ending.
By the Chicago game he was bailing on a lot of throws and failing to step up into the pocket. I know the offensive line sucks, but he's not doing anything to help make their jobs easier. The Kahlil Mack strip sack, for example, is completely on Jones...most people blamed Solder for it, but Solder isn't supposed to be protecting a QB that's 9 yards behind the line of scrimmage.
I'm not kicking dirt on Jones. He's a rookie on a poorly constructed and poorly coached team. I just don't see him elevating anyone around him. Eli was pulled for general ineffectiveness - the offense was struggling to even get to 20 points. Well with Jones that hasn't improved. He's only at 6.4 YPA and the team is scoring 19 points a game.
We're in a really bad spot here.
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I get it. Taking Young isn't a bad idea.
But I think it's worth asking if it's the best idea.
If we could, theoretically, parlay that pick into more future first and second rounders, because there is precedence for a huge bounty in return, then I think it's worth taking that listening tour...
The team would be negligent if they didn't take stock of any offers. However, when the player is special, I think you have to take the player. Young is special. The Niners could've traded down for more picks, but took Nick Bosa instead. It's very early, but I doubt they regret that move.
As I said in another thread, I'd probably look askance at anyone who doesn't believe in Daniel Jones. I'm okay with the Giants potentially brushing aside some HC/GM candidates because of that.
Is Young special enough to pass on an RG3 type deal - three first rounders and a second rounder?
And that was for the Skins to move up to the #2 slot. It could be more if we have the #1 slot.
That's a lot of draft capital...
And as I watch the 49ers I see how a player like Bosa has helped transform their defense, and I want one of our own. Chase Young is in that category. I don't think the difference in Burrow and Jones is enough to justify passing up a game wrecker like that. But it's an interesting discussion. I think we need to honestly assess every part of the organization
Agreed. Seen him several times. He's excellent.
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I get it. Taking Young isn't a bad idea.
But I think it's worth asking if it's the best idea.
If we could, theoretically, parlay that pick into more future first and second rounders, because there is precedence for a huge bounty in return, then I think it's worth taking that listening tour...
The team would be negligent if they didn't take stock of any offers. However, when the player is special, I think you have to take the player. Young is special. The Niners could've traded down for more picks, but took Nick Bosa instead. It's very early, but I doubt they regret that move.
As I said in another thread, I'd probably look askance at anyone who doesn't believe in Daniel Jones. I'm okay with the Giants potentially brushing aside some HC/GM candidates because of that.
Is Young special enough to pass on an RG3 type deal - three first rounders and a second rounder?
And that was for the Skins to move up to the #2 slot. It could be more if we have the #1 slot.
That's a lot of draft capital...
I would absolutely take that trade no matter who is on the board, even Young.
Is Young special enough to pass on an RG3 type deal - three first rounders and a second rounder?
And that was for the Skins to move up to the #2 slot. It could be more if we have the #1 slot.
That's a lot of draft capital...
One has to make this decision based on several factors, one of which is the quality of the individual prospect(s) you'd be bypassing. There's also the strength of the draft to consider, especially as it pertains to how far down you'd be moving.
Take the 2012 draft, for example. As much as I like Daniel Jones, RG3 was a better prospect and I probably take him and don't trade.
Take the 2016 draft, for example. I wouldn't take Wentz over Jones (as prospects), but I also wouldn't be interested in trading down so far that I can't reasonably get Joey Bosa or Jalen Ramsey.
The 2018 draft is more difficult. I truly believe Barkley was the best prospect in the draft. Let's say the Giants had the third pick in that draft (instead of #2) and Darnold and Barkley are the first 2 picks. I almost certainly trade down.
In this draft, the only 2 players I LOVE as top 5 picks are Young and Wirfs. If the Giants fuck up and win some games, I would strongly consider trading down.
"At the end of the day" (TM Antrel Rolle), it's as much about who you're passing up on as what you're getting in return. I'd prefer the known quantity of a current prospect to unknown future assets.
It's Joe Brady, LSU's "Passing game coordinator" who basically transformed LSU's offense into what it is.
Take him away and Burrow looks very different.
It's Joe Brady, LSU's "Passing game coordinator" who basically transformed LSU's offense into what it is.
Take him away and Burrow looks very different.
A couple years ago bw in dc said Lamar Jackson may have been in part a product of Bobby Petrino's offense. My response was, "so then hire Petrino as the head coach".
My response would be the same here: if Burrow benefits greatly from Joe Brady, then hire Joe Brady as the head coach or the OC. Burrow is playing phenomenally well against the best that college football has to offer - those are the guys that are going to be populating the NFL over the next 5 years.
What do we have to lose? The Giants are at rock bottom here and shouldn't feel attached to anybody, including Daniel Jones. It might as well be an expansion team.
It's Joe Brady, LSU's "Passing game coordinator" who basically transformed LSU's offense into what it is.
Take him away and Burrow looks very different.
I've campaigned the last month or so for Brady to be a HC candidate in the NFL. LSU has gone from black and white TV to high definition on offense thanks to him. It's an unbelievable transformation.
But Burrow is still the trigger man. So he gets credit, too. They are loaded, btw, with receivers.
He's very good for PSU. I think he gets pushed around sometimes at the POA, but YGM's best years are ahead of him...
Not a rhetorical question. I have no opinion either way. I just think a team as bad as the Giants has to seriously consider adding extra picks, unless the blue-chipper on the board is a truly transformative talent.
I will gladly admit to watching more of Josh Allen on highlight edited reels, vs more if Chase Young in actual game action. I can't claim to have seriously studied either as a scout would do. But I rely on my "fast slicing" vision more than breaking down a player and logging notes from each play... I like Chase Young better.
Among Allen's highlights, I saw far too many plays when his brilliant looking sack, TFL, OR big hit and FF were plays where he was untouched. Mistakes by his opponent's or clever play design by his DC at Kentucky.
Young doesn't seem to get those opportunities because, at least this year, offenses don't let him go unnoticed and unblocked to the QB.
Offenses scheme to stop Young. Didn't see that with Allen..
It's Joe Brady, LSU's "Passing game coordinator" who basically transformed LSU's offense into what it is.
Take him away and Burrow looks very different.
I don't think that's fair to Burrow. Last year was his first year starting and it was in arguably the most difficult conference in the country. He got better as the year went on and was very impressive at the end of the season including monster games vs. Texas tech and Central Florida. This year he continued to progress to where he is now. I am sure Brady has helped him significantly, but I think you are selling Burrow short
It's Joe Brady, LSU's "Passing game coordinator" who basically transformed LSU's offense into what it is.
Take him away and Burrow looks very different.
I don't think that's fair to Burrow. Last year was his first year starting and it was in arguably the most difficult conference in the country. He got better as the year went on and was very impressive at the end of the season including monster games vs. Texas tech and Central Florida. This year he continued to progress to where he is now. I am sure Brady has helped him significantly, but I think you are selling Burrow short