Well, that was thoroughly enjoyable. A complete thrashing of the Knights. 5-0. Georgiev with his second shutout in four games.
I hate to say it, but I would look long and hard into trading both Georgiev and Strome now. Like right now. It won't happen until their West Coast trip is over, but both Georgiev and Strome are en fuego and their values have got to be sky-high. I will be SORELY disappointed if we get the same for Georgiev that we got for Talbot.
I've said it from the beginning. If it was up to me I'd trade Henrik and roll with Georgie and Igor. And I've also maintained that Georgiev is a better goalie than Henrik right now.
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He sure is playing well.
I've said it from the beginning. If it was up to me I'd trade Henrik and roll with Georgie and Igor. And I've also maintained that Georgiev is a better goalie than Henrik right now.
If they were even playing close to the same even with a little edge to Georgiev itd be possibly a good idea to trade him. But he looks amazing right now. And Henrik only so-so. Shesty is still an unknown quantity. I keep Georgiev.
Georgie is clearly better at this point. Hank knew when he signed this deal, there was a good chance he would be bought out. No need for sentimentality
Otherwise, in 2021 Shesterkin is the only goalie, What happens if he gets juried, there goes the season because Rangers didn’t have the balls to say adios to Henrik?
Georgie is clearly better at this point. Hank knew when he signed this deal, there was a good chance he would be bought out. No need for sentimentality
Otherwise, in 2021 Shesterkin is the only goalie, What happens if he gets juried, there goes the season because Rangers didn’t have the balls to say adios to Henrik?
Whats the buyout?
Henrik was great. 15 years. Just like Eli. But Giants had to bench Eli. So why can’t rangers do that with Henrik?
Anak and PJ know this stuff better, though
Analytics?
Georgie is clearly better at this point. Hank knew when he signed this deal, there was a good chance he would be bought out. No need for sentimentality
Otherwise, in 2021 Shesterkin is the only goalie, What happens if he gets juried, there goes the season because Rangers didn’t have the balls to say adios to Henrik?
Buying him out is ridiculous. His contract expires after next year. If you buy him out his penalty is for the next 2
Age of Buyout Date: 37
At age 37, player's buyout will be 2/3 of the remaining salary due ($12,500,000). This will result in a total buyout of $8,333,333 with a base salary of $2,083,333 over each of the next 4 years.
Age of Buyout Date: 37
At age 37, player's buyout will be 2/3 of the remaining salary due ($12,500,000). This will result in a total buyout of $8,333,333 with a base salary of $2,083,333 over each of the next 4 years.
That’s if they bought him out this year. After this year, he has only one year at 5.5
So that’s about 1.83 per year for 2 years on a buyout
But I don’t think it would come to that. They can work
Something out
It also depends what you can get for Georgiev. You would need a first to
Make the deal imo
You've never heard of selling high?
So who do the Rangers want in return?
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but why on earth are you trading Strome and Giorgiev. At this point that makes very little sense to me. I understand how the NHL works but to do something like this at this point in the season is a bit, should I say, cockamamie.
You've never heard of selling high?
Why not trade Panarin while his value is high? How about DeAngelo? Trade players because they are playing well. Somehow, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Anak and PJ know this stuff better, though
Analytics?
If Shesty is ready, you buy Henrik out next year when he has just 5.5mil left remaining on last year of deal. Then you pay something like 1.8 mill over the next 2 years (2/3 remaining spread out over remaining years x 2).
Georgiev has already taken significant playing time from Henrik at this point and is only getting better while Henriks best days are behind him at this point.
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but why on earth are you trading Strome and Giorgiev. At this point that makes very little sense to me. I understand how the NHL works but to do something like this at this point in the season is a bit, should I say, cockamamie.
You've never heard of selling high?
I agree. You must be high.
Why not trade Panarin while his value is high? How about DeAngelo? Trade players because they are playing well. Somehow, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Panarin is here for the long haul. Did you see the contract he received? And you can make a case to trade DeAngelo since he's going to be a FA at the end of the season, absolutely.
It really isn't hard to understand. You trade a player because you don't think he can SUSTAIN this level of success. You really think a player like Strome is going to keep playing this well and keep putting up points the way he is?
So who do the Rangers want in return?
Andreas Johnsson would be a start, but he's on LTIR
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but why on earth are you trading Strome and Giorgiev. At this point that makes very little sense to me. I understand how the NHL works but to do something like this at this point in the season is a bit, should I say, cockamamie.
You've never heard of selling high?
I agree. You must be high.
Why not trade Panarin while his value is high? How about DeAngelo? Trade players because they are playing well. Somehow, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Panarin is here for the long haul. Did you see the contract he received? And you can make a case to trade DeAngelo since he's going to be a FA at the end of the season, absolutely.
It really isn't hard to understand. You trade a player because you don't think he can SUSTAIN this level of success. You really think a player like Strome is going to keep playing this well and keep putting up points the way he is?
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but why on earth are you trading Strome and Giorgiev. At this point that makes very little sense to me. I understand how the NHL works but to do something like this at this point in the season is a bit, should I say, cockamamie.
You've never heard of selling high?
I agree. You must be high.
Why not trade Panarin while his value is high? How about DeAngelo? Trade players because they are playing well. Somehow, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Panarin is here for the long haul. Did you see the contract he received? And you can make a case to trade DeAngelo since he's going to be a FA at the end of the season, absolutely.
It really isn't hard to understand. You trade a player because you don't think he can SUSTAIN this level of success. You really think a player like Strome is going to keep playing this well and keep putting up points the way he is?
Strome argument perhaps but not Georgiev. If Shesty was a known quantity maybe. Hank isn't the same player and goaltending is too important.
The expansion draft is another thing to consider here, there are a ton of rules about who you can/have to protect, but I think if the Rangers bring up Shesterkin this year for 10 games, then either he or Georgiev would be exposed in the draft since you can only protect one goalie but first and second year players don't need to be protected. If Shesterkin plays 10 games this year he loses year 1 of eligibility and next year would be year 2.
a lot of teams need goalies.
Are the Rangers showcasing him? To play to the OP, whose positions on Georgiev change with the weather.
Georgiev is younger than Shestyorkin by ~ a couple of months, and he's displaying his mettle at the NHL level, not the AHL. It's a nice dilemma to have, but maybe JD and Gorton shouldn't be so quick to act on a notion coming into this season that may be in the process of stood on its head. I don't know whether Valli speaks for the organization, but he loves Georgiev, displaying toughness the night after being the target in target practice for BJs.
But as the Rangers had gained possession in their own end with ~90 seconds left, Lindberg, iirc not remotely closely checked, just fired the puck from inside his own BL toward and beyond center ice. Pass, clear? Totally unclear, but it missed all Blueshirts and allowed the Canadians to quickly gain possession and begin a rush back, initially not even sure it was odd man but it became so, again iirc. Georgiev was positioned more or less in the center of his crease but Lindberg just left the Montreal forward way too much room on the right side (Georgiev's left) and he buried it.
With 90 seconds left in a tie game, you just don't dump the puck into center ice for no one in particular. Mistake of youth, impatience.
The expansion draft is another thing to consider here, there are a ton of rules about who you can/have to protect, but I think if the Rangers bring up Shesterkin this year for 10 games, then either he or Georgiev would be exposed in the draft since you can only protect one goalie but first and second year players don't need to be protected. If Shesterkin plays 10 games this year he loses year 1 of eligibility and next year would be year 2.
a lot of teams need goalies.
wow this is a very good point. Maybe bring up Shesty for a few games second half to get a feel for him while keeping him under 10 games. Perhaps also another reason to buyout Henrik depending on how the rules work for the expansion draft.
Neither goal was on Georgiev IMO, both goalies, Price and Georgiev were phenomenal that game.
Are the Rangers showcasing him? To play to the OP, whose positions on Georgiev change with the weather.
Georgiev is younger than Shestyorkin by ~ a couple of months, and he's displaying his mettle at the NHL level, not the AHL. It's a nice dilemma to have, but maybe JD and Gorton shouldn't be so quick to act on a notion coming into this season that may be in the process of stood on its head. I don't know whether Valli speaks for the organization, but he loves Georgiev, displaying toughness the night after being the target in target practice for BJs.
What are you talking about? I’ve been consistent with my take on Georgiev throughout. He’s a starter in the NHL and better than Henrik now. I’ve always said this.
Kravtsov is still 19 years old, and probably the past 10 years or more was the best player on his team and more often than not the best player on the ice every time he was on the ice.
it takes patience, and some of these players will not survive.
In other completely unrelated news I spent last weekend in Lake Placid for a hockey tournament for my daughters team. holy shit, best time I've had at a hockey tournament. And I'm glad I went as a coach, not a player. I think I appreciated it more. Even though I did get to skate on the same ice the US team did for the Russia and Finland games.
When my daughter scored a goal on the same ice the Americans beat the Russians it was pretty emotional and I realized how much that event meant to me (more so later in life than in the moment since I was little).
Any hockey fans, whether you play or have kids playing or not, should make the trip in the winter to Lake Placid.
They probably should make amends and bring him back. We don’t have any F depth at Hartford and rely on the likes of McKegg and the waived Haley on the fourth.
Georgiev got the start because Lundqvist has been sick, per the Post:
"So while Henrik Lundqvist is close to being fully recovered from his illness..."
Or because they had no one to back him up and didn't want to make the equipment manager the emergency goalie
Georgiev began the 2017-18 season with Hartford of the American Hockey League, going 14-13-7 with a 2.98 GAA and .909 save percentage.
Do you enjoy anything?
I'm starting to look at scoring chances more than shots. I think the industry will start trending this way. A bad location shot can be as bad as a turnover.
it's the whole quality vs quantity debate.
From the looks of it, you enjoy following me around to cry that I'm insufficiently enthusiastic.
Elite goaltending is what has made their record better than their actual numbers would indicate.
Rangers are not a good team. This is still a fun year. Seeing Fox thrive, Kakko and Chytil develop, and watching Panarin has been great.
I'm on the edge of my seat every time Panarin has the puck on his stick. I haven't felt that way since we
had Girardi.
Sean Tierney on twitter has some good charts to demonstrate my point about quality vs quantity. NYR are a young, inconsistent team, but I wouldn't get hung up with them on CF or being outshot.
They're almost break even in quality vs quantity - which IMO is good for a young team.
xG is better than shots as a metric IMO.
Elite goaltending is what has made their record better than their actual numbers would indicate.
Agree 100%, but it's closer than Corsi and a better metric.
They are not a good team, but they are a young, fun to watch team who IMO should focus on player development. yes you want to win every game, but to me if the Rangers would tell Quinn his job is safe, develop these guys - he moves Kakko up, calls up Andersson and make him 3C, plays them both with players who can skate with them, and have them learn.
but too many people are too focused on the now. Just my opinion.
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Do you enjoy anything?
From the looks of it, you enjoy following me around to cry that I'm insufficiently enthusiastic.
Well, I'm a Rangers fan so here we are.
Have a drink or something. Our team of 20 year olds won 5-0 on the road. That's a good thing.
Wow, literally coming into our threads just to troll and insult us. Ridiculous, pj.