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I know I should hope for a loss tonight for draft position

Scyber : 12/9/2019 11:44 am
But f that, I'm sick and tired of losing to the Eagles.

31-17 Giants win is my predication.

Go Giants!
The sugar high of a win isn't worth it.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/9/2019 11:45 am : link
Lose, lose, lose.
I want to see Eli Manning  
Don in DC : 12/9/2019 12:00 pm : link
beat the Eagles just once more in my life. That would make my football year.
Hell no  
Saos1n : 12/9/2019 12:00 pm : link
A loss keeps us ahead of the Redskins, who we still have to play.

A win does what? Will we really feel that much better about a team whoís coach is going to be shit canned anyways? What will this win do for the next regime? Nothing.

Iím normally not one of those fans, but damn. A win does nothing
The idea that one guy turns a team around is foolish.  
an_idol_mind : 12/9/2019 12:07 pm : link
The Giants will get better or worse based on their selection of the next coach and/or front office personnel. If they make the right choice, they will win with or without Chase Young. If they make the wrong choice, it doesn't matter if they draft Cyborg Lawrence Taylor.
This is a tough game for me  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/9/2019 12:08 pm : link
Yes, I want to see Eli under center again.

Yes, I want to see him beat the Eagles.

Yes, I want to see Eli retire with a W/L record over .500

Yes, It would feel good to get a win.

That all being said...

I really want this team to move on from Pat Shurmur.

I really want Chase Young.
It's kind of a win-win.  
Thankyoueli : 12/9/2019 12:17 pm : link
And I've been rooting for the tank.

But for Eli.. I gotta root for him. It's our last chance to and he deserves to go out the right way.
If #10 starts completing some passes  
ray in arlington : 12/9/2019 12:19 pm : link
I'm going to get all sentimental and get caught up in it.

It's unavoidable...
I know I should hope for a loss tonight for draft position  
Torrag : 12/9/2019 12:21 pm : link
Yesterday I was rooting for a loss. Today when I woke up I thought...Fuck that, go get 'em Eli.
I get all the draft position stuff.  
Beezer : 12/9/2019 12:24 pm : link
Still cannot help root for Eli. A true professional. He wants to win this football game and will give it a try, no matter what transpires.

I'll feel good for Eli if the Giants win ... I think that's the biggest thing for me. Great guy ... has given us some of the club's greatest thrills ... fuck the Eagles. Win!
This post was partial fueled by the fact that  
Scyber : 12/9/2019 12:25 pm : link
I spent time with my wife's family yesterday, who are all Eagles fans. They have all given up on the season, so there was nothing bad said. I just had a hard time remembering the last time I spent the holidays with them after the Giants won.
Brain says we need to lose, but my heart always bleeds blue.  
penkap75 : 12/9/2019 12:26 pm : link
I would not be upset if #10 wins tonight.

Our franchise is so hopeless fucked right now, I don't think it makes a big difference what order we draft if the same clowns keep running the show.
I agree that Chase Young is the best non-qb in this draft, but I  
Ira : 12/9/2019 12:27 pm : link
wouldn't be too disappointed to see Isaiah Simmons or Jerry Jeudy in blue. Go Giants!
RE: Brain says we need to lose, but my heart always bleeds blue.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/9/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14708629 penkap75 said:
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I would not be upset if #10 wins tonight.

Our franchise is so hopeless fucked right now, I don't think it makes a big difference what order we draft if the same clowns keep running the show.


Damn. That puts shit into perspective. Fuck the Eagles.
people should remember what the 03 losing streak led to  
twostepgiants : 12/9/2019 12:44 pm : link
Firing Fassel, increased draft position, trading up for Eli and release of Kerry Colliins
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GiantEgo : 12/9/2019 12:45 pm : link
I could never understand hoping the team loses for draft position. It's just not a good idea to place to much value on any one player never mind one that is not even on the team yet.

I have just seen to much happen... Injury,Illness, car accidents, irresponsible gun play, fireworks mishaps and fatal character flaws.
Losing creates and forces changes  
JonC : 12/9/2019 12:46 pm : link
we need them.
Hope for whatever you want  
Greg from LI : 12/9/2019 12:48 pm : link
They're still going to lose anyway.
RE: Losing creates and forces changes  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/9/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14708657 JonC said:
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we need them.


We've been losing for 8 years now and that changes haven't worked.

The types of changes this team needs are ones that ownership is unwilling to provide.
I always root for the Giants to win  
NoPeanutz : 12/9/2019 12:51 pm : link
I guess I'm just a bad fan.
RE: I always root for the Giants to win  
Matt in SGS : 12/9/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14708665 NoPeanutz said:
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I guess I'm just a bad fan.


We can all root for them to win. But they won't because they will find a way to lose and we all know it, and it forces change and a better draft pick. So in reality it's a win!

RE: RE: Losing creates and forces changes  
Scooter185 : 12/9/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14708662 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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In comment 14708657 JonC said:


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we need them.



We've been losing for 8 years now and that changes haven't worked.

The types of changes this team needs are ones that ownership is unwilling to provide.


I think this season, should they lose out, will be embarrassingly bad. Already it's been bad enough to get Tisch to chime in...

Being an embarrassment should drive the changes needed
I'm all in for the win tonight.  
ATL_Giants : 12/9/2019 1:09 pm : link
The shitty feeling I get after a loss sucks, and draft pick hope is no salve for it.
Maybe it'd be different if we were getting a new GM who wanted a different QB. But that's not what's happening here.
Love Manning, hate losing  
Rjanyg : 12/9/2019 1:14 pm : link
but winning does nothing for us at this point. Chase Young is a great player at a major position of need. Getting the 2nd pick in the draft is important.

I want Eli to win the last game of the year against the Eagles while we keep the 2nd pick.

Best way I can describe it...  
Josh in the City : 12/9/2019 1:15 pm : link
My brain will be rooting for a loss. My heart will be rooting for a win.
I dont care about the draft at this point  
cjac : 12/9/2019 1:19 pm : link
i just want them to win a fucking game.

I would love to knock the Eagles out of the post season
I do want to see  
cjac : 12/9/2019 1:19 pm : link
Shurmur get fired, so thats my only confict
Better to lose  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/9/2019 1:24 pm : link
Ensure Mara/Tisch get it through their thick skulls and fire Shurmur and no need to help Dallas.
Its not a out draft position so much since gettleman  
Giantfan21 : 12/9/2019 1:26 pm : link
will probably screw it up anyway, but losing out will leave no shadow of a doubt that shurmur has to go.

IF giants wins ome games here, they might bring shurmur back, is that really worth it for some meaningless wins ?? no way
For the first time in all my many years cheering for the Giants  
Blue21 : 12/9/2019 1:41 pm : link
I am numb. I'm disappointed DJ won't play and continue to get more reps. Can he really not play or is this a BS lie? I'm glad that Eli gets to play a game or two to finish his career. I have no expectations for tonight. I almost don't care. I can't believe I just wrote that. If we win then are we screwing ourselves? If we lose I feel like crap too. I'm plain numb.
If we must win one more game this year...  
Giant John : 12/9/2019 1:43 pm : link
This is the one I want. After that we can go back to tank mode.
Thai is if we must...
I've been  
liteamorn : 12/9/2019 1:45 pm : link
Rooting for the Giants since the mid 60's and have never hoped for a loss, and tonight is no exception . Go Eli (thanks for the memories) Go blue
We've had some terrible times guys and horrible era's , and until Mara gets his head out of his ass I fear this is going to keep going on, no matter WHERE we draft.
Want Eli to lead a TD drive with 2 minutes left  
Dankbeerman : 12/9/2019 1:47 pm : link
just so the eagles can kick another 65 yard field goal to beat us/him like they have so many times.
I never root for a loss.  
Johnny5 : 12/9/2019 1:48 pm : link
NEVER.
JUST LOSE BABY!!!  
BleedBlue : 12/9/2019 2:14 pm : link
its simple. we need an impact defender or a stud OT. BOTH will be available in the top 3. we still could pick #1 overall...im all for that!
Lose  
BigBlueWC : 12/9/2019 2:49 pm : link
...and seal Shurmur's fate. Winning games at this point does the team, this organization, and its fan base no good.
This is a three man draft (excluding QBs)  
Vanzetti : 12/9/2019 2:54 pm : link
Young, OT Thomas and WR Jeudy are all elite prospects. So as long as Giants donít fall out of the top three they are fine.

For whatever reason, generational DE prospects often donít pan out as expected. Young looks great but you never know

247s mock has them going 1-3 with Tua 4th and Burrow 10th

RE: JUST LOSE BABY!!!  
John In CO : 12/9/2019 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14708802 BleedBlue said:
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its simple. we need an impact defender or a stud OT. BOTH will be available in the top 3. we still could pick #1 overall...im all for that!


as well as later on in the draft IF a team knows what it is doing!!! I like CY but damn, if im sitting up that high in the draft and some team comes at me with multiple day 1/high day 2 picks and maybe a #1 for next year....??? Do I like CY THAT much, so much that I am going to pass up the opportunity to upgrade the OL AND the rest of the defense? Man....this guy better be REALLY REALLY good if a package like that if offered and turned down. Hard for ONE guy to turn a team around..everyone here was in love with Josh Allen last year; damn good player, how is Jax season going???
Shurmur at the helm......  
thrunthrublue : 12/9/2019 3:00 pm : link
Best chance for eagles to get the W.
Its MNF V the Eagles so  
giantsFC : 12/9/2019 3:01 pm : link
Eagles 400
Giants -21
RE: RE: Losing creates and forces changes  
JonC : 12/9/2019 3:11 pm : link
In comment 14708662 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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In comment 14708657 JonC said:


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we need them.



We've been losing for 8 years now and that changes haven't worked.

The types of changes this team needs are ones that ownership is unwilling to provide.


Still cannot accept the status quo, it's closing in on the definition of insanity.
I'm maintaining hope that 2-14 shocks Mara awake  
Go Terps : 12/9/2019 3:13 pm : link
The worst record since 1966, with a 12 game losing streak to close out the season...maybe that's enough for Mara to do something.
there is ZERO part of me  
LG in NYC : 12/9/2019 3:14 pm : link
that wants a win tonight, or for the team to look remotely decent behind Eli.

Sorry, but Eli is not our future and I don't want Mara & Co getting any bright ideas.
I root for the win  
Frank from CA : 12/9/2019 3:23 pm : link
divisional games are the best because dealing the opponent a loss is very satisfying. The Eagles need this game to save their season and the Giants are in a position to put 60d nails in their coffin. The game is predicated on winning and bodies are being worn down. I have rooted for this team (Giants) for over 40 years and I want to see the lads win. The Giants will earn their draft pick. By playing to win to end the season strong may help chemistry and signing talent this off-season. Who wants to play for an organization who quits or looks for excuses? The front office has to nail each selection regardless of position. Good times will return if the front office manages to acquire actual NFL players with each pick (properly scouted). The team cannot be built on poor drafts and using FA to solve many problems.

I'm rooting for the loss  
BlueVinnie : 12/9/2019 3:38 pm : link
The main reason being, I think if we end up 2-14, there is a slight chance that Mara will fire Gettleman's ass. Otherwise, I think he'll be back with or without Shurmur.
Would prefer a loss  
Leg of Theismann : 12/9/2019 3:45 pm : link
Everyone who is rooting for the Giants to win seems to make the case that we want Eli's starting record to be above .500. But Jones has a high ankle sprain. I doubt he plays another down this season given the nature of an injury like that and the fact they are best off protecting him and protecting the franchise's future. Eli would have to go 3-1 over the last 4 games, not just 1-0 tonight, to be able to finish his career with a winning record. Do we really think this team is going 3-1? Do we even want them to go 3-1?

This is basically a 2 player draft in 2020. I mean, sure there are other great players, but 2 that are obviously most coveted. Burrow is the clear-cut hot name for next NFL Franchise QB, and although the Giants don't need a Franchise QB, teams are willing to trade an arm and a leg for one of those if they think he's "their guy" (which inevitably several teams will). When a franchise QB is projected to be the #1 or #2 pick, trade value charts go out the window and it's all about the highest bidder. The Giants have a chance to either get a franchise-altering haul in a trade or a defense-altering player in Chase Young. I'll be happy with either one. But we need to be in the top 2, and the more we win the less likely that becomes.
Same here  
Fort Mill Mike : 12/9/2019 4:01 pm : link
Just want to win two more @ Philly and season finale vs. Philly. Good chance 4 wins keeps us at the No. 2 pick. If not, c'est la vie. Beat those "green turds*"


*I think Eric conined that a couple years ago after the ridiculous GW FG
People rooting for a loss  
LS : 12/9/2019 4:01 pm : link
for a better draft position just don't get it. We've had a great draft position the last 2 years...how is that working out so far? And besides, no matter how you're rooting, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference in the final outcome of the game, or any personnel moves in the future. None. We don't get a vote. I always root for a win once the game starts, then deal with whatever happens after the games.
RE: I'm maintaining hope that 2-14 shocks Mara awake  
Sean : 12/9/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14708924 Go Terps said:
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The worst record since 1966, with a 12 game losing streak to close out the season...maybe that's enough for Mara to do something.


If you listen to Lombardi, he thinks Tisch will press Mara. I think that is encouraging. Enough is enough. I do think 2-14 will clear the deck, but it will be very hard to go 2-14 with the opponents on the schedule (mainly MIA & WSH).
RE: People rooting for a loss  
BlueVinnie : 12/9/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14709031 LS said:
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for a better draft position just don't get it. We've had a great draft position the last 2 years...how is that working out so far?


That speaks more about the buffoon making the picks than the value of the pick position itself.
RE: RE: I'm maintaining hope that 2-14 shocks Mara awake  
Go Terps : 12/9/2019 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14709043 Sean said:
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In comment 14708924 Go Terps said:


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The worst record since 1966, with a 12 game losing streak to close out the season...maybe that's enough for Mara to do something.



If you listen to Lombardi, he thinks Tisch will press Mara. I think that is encouraging. Enough is enough. I do think 2-14 will clear the deck, but it will be very hard to go 2-14 with the opponents on the schedule (mainly MIA & WSH).


That's where my interest lies. I don't really care about drafting Chase Young, or doing anything with the current roster one way or the other. None of that is making any real difference. The pile of shit has finally reached the owner's office. I want to see if he's going to start shoveling.
Hey, all you guys  
LS : 12/10/2019 8:13 am : link
hoping for more losing feeling really great this morning? Good for you!
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