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Matt in SGS : 12/9/2019 1:13 pm
Since we have a variety of things being discussed in the Mets and Yankees thread and it's starting to get muddied, might as well get an encompassing Winter Meetings Thread going and the usual spin off threads can happen.

A bit of news coming out so far (which we know)

- Yankees offer to Cole has been leaked and no one else seems to be in on him as of yet.
- Didi might be heading to the Phillies on a multiyear deal
- Steve Pearce has "unofficially retired"


Because it's out in San Diego, news will probably come in later in the day, and trades tend to get announced later in the night as the GMs get a little more drunk ;)
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I think the yankees should try and trade stanton now  
Giantfan21 : 12/9/2019 3:40 pm : link
before his contract becomes an albatross. I dont hate stanton at all but when you factor in what cole is going to get potentially plus they are going to need to extend judge, torres, possibly sanchez and DJ (next year ) in a few years that contract is going to look bad.

Right now i think there would be a market for stanton especially if the yankees eat a little bit of that contract, but in a few years that contract is going to be untradable and they are going to need payroll flexibility.
RE: I think the yankees should try and trade stanton now  
Br00klyn : 12/9/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14708978 Giantfan21 said:
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before his contract becomes an albatross. I dont hate stanton at all but when you factor in what cole is going to get potentially plus they are going to need to extend judge, torres, possibly sanchez and DJ (next year ) in a few years that contract is going to look bad.

Right now i think there would be a market for stanton especially if the yankees eat a little bit of that contract, but in a few years that contract is going to be untradable and they are going to need payroll flexibility.


There is no way Stanton gets traded unless the Yanks are willing to eat a huge portion of that salary. You dont think teams around the league are noticing what is going on with Stanton?
Cole - Yankees and Angels competing for him  
RasputinPrime : 12/9/2019 3:47 pm : link
this better be payback for Ohtani because the Angels swooping in to nab him after weeks of "he is going to the Yankees" is a debt ownership needs to settle.

Get it done Cashman.
RE: Cole - Yankees and Angels competing for him  
BigBluesman : 12/9/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14708995 RasputinPrime said:
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this better be payback for Ohtani because the Angels swooping in to nab him after weeks of "he is going to the Yankees" is a debt ownership needs to settle.

Get it done Cashman.

Angels suck. I don't think sunny weather and familiarity is enough for Cole to go there. Yankees travel well but seeing an Angels home game is straight-up depressing when I've attended.
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Dave in Hoboken : 12/9/2019 3:50 pm : link
Mark Feinsand on MLB Network just said the Yankees are the frontrunner for Gerrit Cole and he’s getting at least 280 million.
RE: .  
Nine-Tails : 12/9/2019 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14709002 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Mark Feinsand on MLB Network just said the Yankees are the frontrunner for Gerrit Cole and he’s getting at least 280 million.


Additionally, Sherman says they will make the formal offer tonight and Jack Curry said they will make a “very, very competitive offer”.

I doubt we’re getting outbid for him, we’re the New York Yankees
Strasburg back to the Nats  
illmatic : 12/9/2019 3:54 pm : link
for 7/245. You would think that keeps Cole around 8/280. Hopefully not much more than that.
RE: I'd have to think Rendon  
Greg from LI : 12/9/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14708958 Matt in SGS said:
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will be leaving the Nationals after signing Straus. I would think he'll go to the Dodgers (taking a Cole bidder away).

So the competition for Cole will probably be the Angels.


That's what I've been reading too - Dodgers already have a deep and strong rotation. Rendon makes more sense than Cole if they are going to sign a huge money free agent.

So it's the weak ass Angels. As I've said, it would shock me if Cole chose them unless their offer was substantially better.
Crazy contract  
Rflairr : 12/9/2019 3:57 pm : link
Wouldn’t give a pitcher that kind of contract. They get hurt too much
Seems to be more noise  
Matt in SGS : 12/9/2019 3:59 pm : link
that Kris Bryant could be traded this week and they are talking to the Phillies.

Pretty much the entire Cubs roster is open for trade discussion.
wonder if LAD  
bigbluehoya : 12/9/2019 3:59 pm : link
muster up any interest in Stanton if they happen to miss on Rendon.

The rumor section on mlb.com this morning  
mfsd : 12/9/2019 4:09 pm : link
brought up the Giants as a dark horse for Cole. I’ll believe it when I see it
RE: RE: I think the yankees should try and trade stanton now  
Giantfan21 : 12/9/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14708992 Br00klyn said:
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In comment 14708978 Giantfan21 said:


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before his contract becomes an albatross. I dont hate stanton at all but when you factor in what cole is going to get potentially plus they are going to need to extend judge, torres, possibly sanchez and DJ (next year ) in a few years that contract is going to look bad.

Right now i think there would be a market for stanton especially if the yankees eat a little bit of that contract, but in a few years that contract is going to be untradable and they are going to need payroll flexibility.



There is no way Stanton gets traded unless the Yanks are willing to eat a huge portion of that salary. You dont think teams around the league are noticing what is going on with Stanton?


I dont think thats true. The Marlins are eating some of the salary already, so i think the yankees will have to eat some of it also but a huge portion ? no not even close.

He is still 30 years old and in his prime. Sure he had an injury plagued season last year which is why they will have to eat some money but there are teams who miss out on Free agents that are going to want to make a splash and bringing a former MVP in his prime maybe at a discount is not a bad backup plan.

It's also why i think they should do it now because if they wait another year and he has another of year that contract is untradable .
Stanton  
TyreeHelmet : 12/9/2019 4:20 pm : link
I can't see any team trading for Stanton unless the Yankees pick up an enormous portion of the deal. ( He also has full NTC). And if they have to pay that much, they might as well just keep him. He's owed 214 million through the 2028 season...
RE: The rumor section on mlb.com this morning  
Matt in SGS : 12/9/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14709045 mfsd said:
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brought up the Giants as a dark horse for Cole. I’ll believe it when I see it


That was mentioned at the start of free agency that they were lurking. But the reports were when they hired Kapler that Cole wouldn't play for him and they will be out.
RE: RE: The rumor section on mlb.com this morning  
TyreeHelmet : 12/9/2019 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14709090 Matt in SGS said:
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brought up the Giants as a dark horse for Cole. I’ll believe it when I see it



That was mentioned at the start of free agency that they were lurking. But the reports were when they hired Kapler that Cole wouldn't play for him and they will be out.


If they offer the most money, he'll play for Gabe Kapler.
Maybe after the NYG get embarrassed tonight  
The_Boss : 12/9/2019 4:30 pm : link
The news will come down that the Yanks signed Cole.
RE: RE: RE: The rumor section on mlb.com this morning  
Nine-Tails : 12/9/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14709095 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 14709090 Matt in SGS said:


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In comment 14709045 mfsd said:


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brought up the Giants as a dark horse for Cole. I’ll believe it when I see it



That was mentioned at the start of free agency that they were lurking. But the reports were when they hired Kapler that Cole wouldn't play for him and they will be out.



If they offer the most money, he'll play for Gabe Kapler.


No way in hell, the Giants come close to the Yankees or angels in this
RE: Strasburg back to the Nats  
section125 : 12/9/2019 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14709013 illmatic said:
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for 7/245. You would think that keeps Cole around 8/280. Hopefully not much more than that.


Predicting 8/300 in the Post..Yikes. 8/280 would be AAV $35mill...I'd say minimum now.
Cole is two years younger  
Metnut : 12/9/2019 4:48 pm : link
than Strasburg, doesn't have the injury concerns Strasburg does, and has been even more dominant pitching in the AL.

I can't imagine anything less than 9/$345M gets this done when you consider that NYY, LAD, LAA, SF and PHI are all bidding.
Not sure what the Giants have to offer besides money  
Greg from LI : 12/9/2019 4:48 pm : link
They were bad last year (77-85) despite significantly overachieving from their pythag (71-91). Their lineup was godawful - .239/.302/.392 as a team.

All the Yankees have to do is be close on the money/years.
..  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/9/2019 5:07 pm : link
Andy Martino doesn’t believe money will be an issue with the Yankees and it will simply come down to where he wants to play. Yankees are in full pursuit of Cole.
CC and Moose earned their contracts, as has Tanaka for the most part.  
bceagle05 : 12/9/2019 5:21 pm : link
I don't care what the exact dollar amount winds up being for Cole - as Michael Kay said earlier on his show, the Steinbrenners won't go broke paying this contract. This is the piece they need to swing the balance of power in the American League.
RE: RE: The rumor section on mlb.com this morning  
mfsd : 12/9/2019 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14709090 Matt in SGS said:
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In comment 14709045 mfsd said:


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brought up the Giants as a dark horse for Cole. I’ll believe it when I see it



That was mentioned at the start of free agency that they were lurking. But the reports were when they hired Kapler that Cole wouldn't play for him and they will be out.


The bit I read this morning (can’t find it to link) mentioned Cole is tight with his brother in law Brandon Crawford on the Giants

But that alone smells of a reporter throwing darts - until we read about the Giants making an offer or at least meeting with Cole, I don’t see it as more than that
Reminds  
Photoguy : 12/9/2019 6:03 pm : link
me of the heady days of the winter of 1974, when the Yankees outbid other suitors for Catfish Hunter for $3.75 million on Dec 31.

Good times, man.

Good times.
RE: Reminds  
mfsd : 12/9/2019 6:07 pm : link
In comment 14709255 Photoguy said:
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me of the heady days of the winter of 1974, when the Yankees outbid other suitors for Catfish Hunter for $3.75 million on Dec 31.

Good times, man.

Good times.


Haha - I do like the vibe of the Yankees going full Evil Empire again here. We all know there aren’t many free agents necessarily worth it, but hard to argue a starter like Cole is exactly what’s kept them from getting over the hump the past 3 years
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Dave in Hoboken : 12/10/2019 12:05 am : link
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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54m
As
@Joelsherman1
mentioned, hearing Yankees are shopping Happ, in part to clear payroll for Cole.
.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/10/2019 12:06 am : link
James O'Connell
@OConnellNY
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1h
@jonmorosi
on MLB Network said that Gerrit Cole to the Yankees is the most likely outcome. 👀
RE: Cole is two years younger  
section125 : 12/10/2019 12:10 am : link
In comment 14709148 Metnut said:
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than Strasburg, doesn't have the injury concerns Strasburg does, and has been even more dominant pitching in the AL.

I can't imagine anything less than 9/$345M gets this done when you consider that NYY, LAD, LAA, SF and PHI are all bidding.


Nah, can't imagine the Yanks going over 8 years. 8/$300.
Pinstripes Plus has its Top 50 prospects out...  
Dunedin81 : 12/10/2019 8:48 am : link
always a great read, and a good time for a trial membership.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Cole is two years younger  
Metnut : 12/10/2019 9:09 am : link
In comment 14711518 section125 said:
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In comment 14709148 Metnut said:


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than Strasburg, doesn't have the injury concerns Strasburg does, and has been even more dominant pitching in the AL.

I can't imagine anything less than 9/$345M gets this done when you consider that NYY, LAD, LAA, SF and PHI are all bidding.



Nah, can't imagine the Yanks going over 8 years. 8/$300.


All it takes is one team.
Yankees and Blue Jays  
Matt in SGS : 12/10/2019 1:01 pm : link
talking about a deal for JA Happ.

I have a feeling the Cole will sign with the Yankees by tonight. And once that's resolved, that will free up the other moves they are considering.
Heyman  
Matt in SGS : 12/10/2019 1:06 pm : link
reporting a "mystery team" has entered the Cole negotiations. Which is to say, the Boras mouthpiece that is Heyman is trying to get the Yankees to ante up more money.
Gaining Cole  
dune69 : 12/10/2019 1:33 pm : link
and losing Happ would be a great Xmas present.
RE: Heyman  
Dunedin81 : 12/10/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14712967 Matt in SGS said:
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reporting a "mystery team" has entered the Cole negotiations. Which is to say, the Boras mouthpiece that is Heyman is trying to get the Yankees to ante up more money.


Precisely. He's cried wolf enough times.
If Cole wants to be in consistent contention the Yanks have to be  
yatqb : 12/10/2019 4:18 pm : link
his top choice, unless the Dodgers make a similar offer. The Angels can’t offer that. But somehow I’m pessimistic.
Coming out now  
Metnut : 12/10/2019 5:03 pm : link
that the Astros are the mystery team and are coming in heavy for Cole.
we'll see  
Greg from LI : 12/10/2019 5:10 pm : link
I don't see how the Astros could afford to add that kind of salary, nor did Cole seem all that interested in staying in Houston
RE: Coming out now  
The_Boss : 12/10/2019 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14713526 Metnut said:
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that the Astros are the mystery team and are coming in heavy for Cole.


Cole swings the power in the AL. Yanks can’t allow him to go back to Houston.
Zero  
DanMetroMan : 12/10/2019 5:13 pm : link
inside info but I'd be shocked if Cole isn't a Yankee unless Moreno gets silly with the years like with Pujols.
RE: Zero  
Metnut : 12/10/2019 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14713554 DanMetroMan said:
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inside info but I'd be shocked if Cole isn't a Yankee unless Moreno gets silly with the years like with Pujols.


I agree. I think it's NYY versus the LA teams. Cole/Boras are going to squeeze every dollar out of this though, and they have really insane leverage given how good Cole is and with Strasburg and Wheeler signed.

Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with a truly insane number. Strasburg is two years older, not as good, and has a history of injury trouble. He got 7 years. I'd be shocked if Cole got less than 8, and think he might get 9. 9yrs/$345M?
Going to 9 years and reducing the annual value...  
Tesla : 12/10/2019 5:46 pm : link
even a little bit from an 8 year offer could mean that essentially the 9th year won't cost the Yankees that much extra.

For example, let's say 8 year offer is for $38 million/year ($304M) and the 9 year offer is for $36M/year ($324). That's obviously an extra $20M for the last year.

However, over the first 8 years of the deal the Yankees are saving not just the $2M/year, but whatever luxury taxes they'd pay on that $2M. If we estimate those charges at 40%, the total saved over the first 8 years of the deal would be $2.8M year X 8 years = $22.4M. So the last year would only cost an additional $14M ($36M minus the $22M saved in prior 8 years) .

But by 2028 $14M would almost certainly be well less than average salary for starting pitchers. Theoretically Cole could even be a steal at that price point in 2028.



So, I'm going to guess Houston isn't Cole's mystery team..  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/10/2019 8:31 pm : link
Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
· 8m
Sources: #Astros, facing difficult payroll choices, have considered trading Carlos Correa. Story: https://theathletic.com/1450039/2019/12/10/rosenthal-sources-say-the-astros-have-considered-trading-carlos-correa/
Smug  
DanMetroMan : 12/10/2019 8:56 pm : link
Brodie LAUGHED at the idea the Mets would pursue Cole. Embarrassing.
Some  
DanMetroMan : 12/10/2019 9:04 pm : link
dude on Reddit called the Cozart trade, said they are OUT on Cole and will deal for David Price.
Jeff Pasan  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/10/2019 9:19 pm : link
saying EVERYONE he's talked to at the Winter Meetings thinks Cole will be a Yankee. Video from Twitter below:
Passan: Everyone at Winter Meetings says Cole will be a Yankee - ( New Window )
RE: Some  
Tesla : 12/10/2019 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14713765 DanMetroMan said:
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dude on Reddit called the Cozart trade, said they are OUT on Cole and will deal for David Price.


Who's they? The Angels?
RE: RE: Some  
DanMetroMan : 12/10/2019 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14713785 Tesla said:
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In comment 14713765 DanMetroMan said:


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dude on Reddit called the Cozart trade, said they are OUT on Cole and will deal for David Price.



Who's they? The Angels?


Correct
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DanMetroMan : 12/10/2019 9:56 pm : link

Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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1m
Specifically, Mets open to moving Brandon Nimmo per sources
I'd have no problem trading nimmo in the right deal  
Eric on Li : 12/10/2019 11:55 pm : link
I have no confidence BVW will find the right deal.

I am truly fearful for what he does in this period before Cohen's $ gets unlocked. The budget restrictions of the Wilponzis plus the pressure of an inexperienced GM feeling like his job is on the line is a potentially toxic combination.

If he deals off any more of the farm he's going to seriously cripple the organization in a way that will take years to recover from even with Cohens $.
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