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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/9/2019 11:35 pm
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Loser coach loses another game  
jogo1 : 12/9/2019 11:36 pm : link
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Will the Giants  
rocco8112 : 12/9/2019 11:36 pm : link
ever win again?
.  
Anakim : 12/9/2019 11:36 pm : link
How many times have we seen this show? Seriously. How many times have we seen games like these? You can't even be mad anymore. You just anticipate them. Hell, you expect them. When the Giants have the lead, not only is it not safe, but you EXPECT them to blow it, ESPECIALLY against the fucking Eagles.


I guess the Chase for Chase lives on. You guys think Rivera can get our boys prepared in five days notice?
praise jesus  
mphbullet36 : 12/9/2019 11:37 pm : link
huge L, fire everyone still clean house and we have a chance to turn this around next year!
wow  
sopogmen4246 : 12/9/2019 11:37 pm : link
wow just wow!!!!!
CHASE YOUNG  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/9/2019 11:37 pm : link
!
.  
TommytheElephant : 12/9/2019 11:37 pm : link
Even for a meaningless game - they still manage to hurt me again
How does Shurmur  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 12/9/2019 11:37 pm : link
Survive this??? How is he not let go tomorrow??
RE: Will the Giants  
Anakim : 12/9/2019 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14711045 rocco8112 said:
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ever win again?


Not under Shurmur
Fire Schurmur!!!  
Barkley26 : 12/9/2019 11:37 pm : link
Just fire that clown cake. Thats it, get rid of his bum ass.
We almost  
mittenedman : 12/9/2019 11:37 pm : link
got the kind of game we wanted to see out of our young D - except they folded like a cheap suit and couldnt finish the game. Damn
I wanted this game  
Chris684 : 12/9/2019 11:38 pm : link
I cant stand Pat Shurmur.

Never wanted him here.

Goodbye Pat.
Imagine having an NFL team  
bceagle05 : 12/9/2019 11:38 pm : link
and letting Pat Shurmur coach it.
RE: .  
Anakim : 12/9/2019 11:38 pm : link
In comment 14711058 TommytheElephant said:
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Even for a meaningless game - they still manage to hurt me again


Love ya, Tommy. You're a good dude. I miss your Rooting Guide threads. Those threads are long gone.
RE: How does Shurmur  
Poktown Pete : 12/9/2019 11:38 pm : link
In comment 14711059 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Survive this??? How is he not let go tomorrow??

You're correct in asking this, but it's been asked every game since the loss to the Jets.
emotions aside  
Sonic Youth : 12/9/2019 11:38 pm : link
it was better for the franchise to lose the game than it was to win the game

by the same token, i didn't want to see eli get destroyed


i guess i got best of both worlds, bc, as someone who is 30 and saw #10 suit up and sling the ball, it really meant a fucking shitload

but i got years ahead of me and i didn't want to lose out on chase young or andrew thomas over sentimenintality

plus, this secures shurmur (and hopefully gettlemans!) firing

all in all, a good night and more entertaining than i anticipated


(just shows how pathetic our expectations are now)
There was literally no one within 15 feet of Ertz on that TD  
Greg from LI : 12/9/2019 11:38 pm : link
how the hell is that even possible from the 2 yard line????
JFC  
mikeinbloomfield : 12/9/2019 11:38 pm : link
All they had to do was score once in the second half. A whole half! Goddamit.

And nice no timeout Shurmur you loser. Outfoxed again.
So sick of this team...  
trueblueinpw : 12/9/2019 11:39 pm : link
Gutless and clueless and just a wretched fucking disgrace. Fuck em all.
Barkley barely touches the ball  
PatersonPlank : 12/9/2019 11:39 pm : link
Where were the screens and passes out of the backfield?

Its pouring rain, the Eagles were doing it all the 2nd half. Shurmur is an idiot
Love,  
AcidTest : 12/9/2019 11:39 pm : link
Baker, Lawrence, Ximines, Slayton, Williams, Golden, Hill, Tomlinson, and Eli played well.

The OL was awful, especially Solder and Halapio. That unit was why we lost the game. The defense was just exhausted at the end.

Shurmur and DG have made too many mistakes to stay.

Typical  
cjac : 12/9/2019 11:39 pm : link
Shurmur game
Until tonight I have been on the fence with Shurmer  
montanagiant : 12/9/2019 11:39 pm : link
But the way we called that 2nd half of the game playing not to lose has me convinced he has to go and take the whole with him
I'm sorry, guys  
Anakim : 12/9/2019 11:39 pm : link
I'm sorry to you guys who are still emotionally invested in these games.


Hell, I'm sorry to you guys who actually expected us to maintain the lead. We always blow it. You guys should know that by now. We always blow the lead, especially to the Eagles.
Shurmur is such a Loser!  
Simms11 : 12/9/2019 11:39 pm : link
Wtf! This defense is pitiful. Miscommunication still after 13 weeks?! Bettcher cant fix it, Withers appears useless and Shurmur has not made an adjustment in two years that made a bit of difference.
Eli played well enough to get a contract somewhere next year,  
bceagle05 : 12/9/2019 11:40 pm : link
but didn't mess up our draft positioning and still screwed the Cowboys. That's king shit right there. Legend.
Well we now know Eli wasn't the problem but Eli wasn't the  
Blue21 : 12/9/2019 11:40 pm : link
fix either.
This is a deflating loss  
Sammo85 : 12/9/2019 11:40 pm : link
I dont see how they come back Sunday on short rest given its almost Tuesday already and playing a tough emotionally drive game and lose it as they did and beat the Dolphins.

Really horrific second half by Shurmur and Shula. As bad as Eagles were in first, Giants showed them equals on second half.
Severely out coached  
Emil : 12/9/2019 11:40 pm : link
In the second half. No answer for Eagles uptempo with a practice squad RB.

No adjustment on offense in response to Eagles halftime adjustment. Shurmur and Bettcher must go. This team is more talented than a 2 win team.
Can we bring Erick Flowers back to play left tackle?  
Bramton1 : 12/9/2019 11:40 pm : link
Sure, he would commit a backbreaking screw-up at least once a game, but he was at least serviceable the rest of the time.

I don't think anyone could call Solder serviceable at any point in time. I think there were at least three times in the second half where Solder let his guy run right past him and kill any hope of a drive.
How is Zach Ertz uncovered  
Torrag : 12/9/2019 11:40 pm : link
ZACH FUCKING ERTZ!!! Are you fucking kidding me? Betccher should be fired tonight. Immediately. Not allowed on the plane. He should have to rent a car to drive home.

This coaching staff must go. They are losers.
What's even worse ....  
FStubbs : 12/9/2019 11:40 pm : link
... we blew the 2nd pick of the 3rd round for 8 games of Leonard Williams.

Gettleman owns this mess.
Solder  
broadbandz : 12/9/2019 11:40 pm : link
would have lost the game with that missed block if Jones was in there because it would have been a sack fumble. Same old Solder,
RE: We almost  
mphbullet36 : 12/9/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14711076 mittenedman said:
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got the kind of game we wanted to see out of our young D - except they folded like a cheap suit and couldnt finish the game. Damn


to be fair did our offense get a 1st down in the 2nd half...they were on the field the entire 2nd half and OT...they were exhausted
Fucking Comical  
Bernie : 12/9/2019 11:40 pm : link
Same 'ol Giants; no heart, no talent, no brains from top to bottom.
Just want new gm, hc and chase young  
micky : 12/9/2019 11:41 pm : link
And that would give me optimism. And excitement
RE: Can we bring Erick Flowers back to play left tackle?  
FStubbs : 12/9/2019 11:41 pm : link
In comment 14711131 Bramton1 said:
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Sure, he would commit a backbreaking screw-up at least once a game, but he was at least serviceable the rest of the time.

I don't think anyone could call Solder serviceable at any point in time. I think there were at least three times in the second half where Solder let his guy run right past him and kill any hope of a drive.


At least Ereck Flowers was cheaper. Solder brings turnstile tackle play along with a cap crippling contract.
RE: Love,  
Emil : 12/9/2019 11:41 pm : link
In comment 14711110 AcidTest said:
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Baker, Lawrence, Ximines, Slayton, Williams, Golden, Hill, Tomlinson, and Eli played well.

The OL was awful, especially Solder and Halapio. That unit was why we lost the game. The defense was just exhausted at the end.

Shurmur and DG have made too many mistakes to stay.


Seems to me you really liked how a lot of DGs additions played tonight...
RE: Love,  
Simms11 : 12/9/2019 11:41 pm : link
In comment 14711110 AcidTest said:
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Baker, Lawrence, Ximines, Slayton, Williams, Golden, Hill, Tomlinson, and Eli played well.

The OL was awful, especially Solder and Halapio. That unit was why we lost the game. The defense was just exhausted at the end.

Shurmur and DG have made too many mistakes to stay.


Give up way too many big plays on defense too. Miscommunication on defense and poor fundamentals. If you cant se that the Eagles are going to throw to their RBs in the flats or screens, then you deserve to lose!
Damn  
rocco8112 : 12/9/2019 11:41 pm : link
I really thought they could pull it out tonight. Stupid me.

WTF happened?
RE: Severely out coached  
Mike in NY : 12/9/2019 11:42 pm : link
In comment 14711128 Emil said:
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In the second half. No answer for Eagles uptempo with a practice squad RB.

No adjustment on offense in response to Eagles halftime adjustment. Shurmur and Bettcher must go. This team is more talented than a 2 win team.


Exactly. We had shots too. 2nd and 3 on under 2 minutes to go they are obviously bringing pressure and you dont run a damn screen or a pitch to Barkley?
With Fire Shurmur threads being written  
Nine-Tails : 12/9/2019 11:42 pm : link
Eric is there a way you can create a poll to get BBIs opinion on whether Shurmur should be fired. I think its pretty close to obvious he should be gone and most of BBI thinks the same, but their is still a few that think otherwise and the number might surprise you.
I swear to fucking god right now  
Geomon : 12/9/2019 11:42 pm : link
AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, if we miss out on hiring Ron Rivera to coach this team and end up with Jason Fucking Garrett instead, I'm done watching the Giants until John Mara sells his part of the team. I AM FUCKING DONE.
Has there ever been  
KDubbs : 12/9/2019 11:42 pm : link
A worse combo of coaching ever in the nfl? Jfc
Chase  
Andrew in Austin : 12/9/2019 11:42 pm : link
Young wont matter. Our freaking defense has zero clue on what they are supposed to be doing. Our OL is equally embarrassing.

I cant stand watching Bethea, but he was on most of our stops in the end.

So pissed!
Unfortunately  
lax counsel : 12/9/2019 11:42 pm : link
This outcome was predictable. Eli Manning, after a nice story of a first half, showed his limitations of the past several seasons in the second half. The typical defense showed up so its not really even worth discussing. And of course Shurmur continue to be a loser.

If DG gives Williams a big contract simply to save face for his mind numbing trade, Ill know this organization is in the dumps for a long time to come.

Not really much else to say other than this was kinda expected.

Holy christ  
Since1976 : 12/9/2019 11:42 pm : link
Ive not been this frustrated with this organization since the he who shall not be named years. This team has zero heart, zero self respect and zero balls. Shurmur needs to be fired before they get on the bus. Hello Rivera, Payton or Belicheck. This farce of the last 7 years needs to end. Sorry Eli, sorry this entire organization let you down in your latter years. Good night.
RE: So sick of this team...  
broadbandz : 12/9/2019 11:42 pm : link
In comment 14711103 trueblueinpw said:
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Gutless and clueless and just a wretched fucking disgrace. Fuck em all.


bro a lot of players played well tonight. You guys are taking your anger out and look childish.
This loss was for the best  
Giantfan21 : 12/9/2019 11:43 pm : link
Eli played pretty well in the 1st half but we helped our draft position and also ensure that shurmur and maybe gettleman are gone at the end of the year.

This team needs major changes and losses like this make them happen.
...  
christian : 12/9/2019 11:43 pm : link
There isn't a single guy in that defense able to make a play on his own.

The defense need 5 new starters, and maybe 7 if Golden and Williams leave.
How many yards, and how many first downs  
CT Charlie : 12/9/2019 11:43 pm : link
did we rack up in the second half? Our play calling is pathetic.
you guys act like you had expectations of winning this fuckin game  
Sonic Youth : 12/9/2019 11:43 pm : link
you knew we were gonna lose. but this was the best long term outcome:

1) eli looked solid, just for old times sake
2) lost the game, still got chase
3) OT, kept it close, not blown out


i was legit 50/50 pre-game if I even wanted them to win. obviously as game emotions kicked in, you root for the team thats part of you to win, but deep down i know its better to get dat pick. plus the eagles and cowboys are ass, there is no 17 coming this year
Love this post game show on MSG.  
RDJR : 12/9/2019 11:43 pm : link
All theyre talking about is the first half. LOL. At least we won that. David Diehl is such a shill.
we had 29 yards of total offense in the 2nd half  
mphbullet36 : 12/9/2019 11:43 pm : link
29 yards!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
This was the best scenario...  
EricJ : 12/9/2019 11:43 pm : link
Eli plays fairly well which I think we all wanted to see.

Then, we add another loss which will help make significant changes at the end of the year.

What really surprises me is how Betcher was not sacrificed at some point this season.
Is it impossible to double a TE?  
rasbutant : 12/9/2019 11:44 pm : link
Why cant they cover this guy.
RE: .  
Mdgiantsfan : 12/9/2019 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14711058 TommytheElephant said:
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Even for a meaningless game - they still manage to hurt me again


This was the only game Ive been able to watch start to finish. And while Im all in on the #2 pick I too am still pissed!
Three times  
Joey in VA : 12/9/2019 11:46 pm : link
Again. Three fucking short yardage plays and we use 2 DL. Again. Afuckingain. Three plays that we have the god damn horses to stop and your fat ass uses 2 DL again. Horse shit. Fire that sloppy bitch tomorrow.
Most Painful Loss of the Season  
UticaMike : 12/9/2019 11:46 pm : link
This team finds new ways to break my heart every week. We are a broken franchise.
There are two halves  
shyster : 12/9/2019 11:46 pm : link
Eli threw for 24 yards the entire second half.

The difference between football and baseball is that there is always someone else to blame in football.
I allowed myself to be sucked in.  
j_rud : 12/9/2019 11:46 pm : link
I haven't been emotionally invested in this team for 6 weeks. I want the best draft position possible. I don't like losing but I can see pig picture. But godDAMN I hate the Eagles, and for some reason I allowed myself to think how nice it would be for an Eli-led team to win in Philly.

And wouldn't you know it...Shurmur'd.
If you include postseason play  
Leg of Theismann : 12/9/2019 11:46 pm : link
Eli does still have a winning record. I don't know why all the graphics and records people quote show just his regular season record. Does the postseason not count for some reason? If anything it counts for more.
anybody else conerned about barkley ?  
Giantfan21 : 12/9/2019 11:46 pm : link
He looks like a JAG and the injury was a long time ago.
RE: anybody else conerned about barkley ?  
KDubbs : 12/9/2019 11:47 pm : link
In comment 14711232 Giantfan21 said:
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He looks like a JAG and the injury was a long time ago.


Odd, considering he looked fast tonight. Not his fault they dont use him in the 2nd half
RE: Barkley barely touches the ball  
yalebowl : 12/9/2019 11:47 pm : link
In comment 14711108 PatersonPlank said:
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Where were the screens and passes out of the backfield?

Its pouring rain, the Eagles were doing it all the 2nd half. Shurmur is an idiot


I have never seen a Giant team consistently run or defend screen passes going back to Alex Websters days.
RE: Chase  
Leg of Theismann : 12/9/2019 11:48 pm : link
In comment 14711172 Andrew in Austin said:
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Young wont matter. Our freaking defense has zero clue on what they are supposed to be doing. Our OL is equally embarrassing.

I cant stand watching Bethea, but he was on most of our stops in the end.

So pissed!


I think the assumption would be that Bettcher would be fired (along with Shurmur) and a new D Coordinator might better be able to hel thing figure out what they're supposed to do.
You people talking about "we still have Chase" I need to know somethin  
Geomon : 12/9/2019 11:48 pm : link
WHAT THE FUCK IS CHASE YOUNG GOING TO DO?

Huh? With this coaching staff, what the fuck is he going to do? He'll just be another high draft pick that we ruin on this worse than fucking putrid defense.
RE: Until tonight I have been on the fence with Shurmer  
Mr. Bungle : 12/9/2019 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14711115 montanagiant said:
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But the way we called that 2nd half of the game playing not to lose has me convinced he has to go and take the whole with him

Why were you on the fence? He was coaching like this last year.
RE: anybody else conerned about barkley ?  
Emil : 12/9/2019 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14711232 Giantfan21 said:
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He looks like a JAG and the injury was a long time ago.


Run blocking was atrocious. Solder cannot get a seal, ever! And Barkleys longest run was called back after a very questionable holding call.
Really disappointing to hand Wentz  
St. Jimmy : 12/9/2019 11:49 pm : link
his third game winning drive of his career against the Giants. Fucking pathetic that they let that loser beat them again.
RE: RE: How does Shurmur  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 12/9/2019 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14711089 Poktown Pete said:
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In comment 14711059 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:


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Survive this??? How is he not let go tomorrow??


You're correct in asking this, but it's been asked every game since the loss to the Jets.



I know , but 2 years in a row blowing 2nd half double digit leads in Philly and Barkley was barely used. They ran 20 freaking plays for 30yds !!!!!
How can Shurmur possibly think that he is equipped to  
CT Charlie : 12/9/2019 11:50 pm : link
call plays? Can he study the Eagles defensive adjustments? Can he talk with the QB and the rest of the offense about what'll work? Does he even have time to listen to coaches upstairs? It would be different if he clearly had a feel for the game, or if he had outstanding talent -- guys who can dominate the line of scrimmage and execute... But, no. Again and again, he shows no ability to adjust. He should let somebody else call the plays, but he's just too stubborn.
RE: Really disappointing to hand Wentz  
Anakim : 12/9/2019 11:50 pm : link
In comment 14711268 St. Jimmy said:
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his third game winning drive of his career against the Giants. Fucking pathetic that they let that loser beat them again.


Get Right Team!
RE: RE: anybody else conerned about barkley ?  
Giantfan21 : 12/9/2019 11:51 pm : link
In comment 14711240 KDubbs said:
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In comment 14711232 Giantfan21 said:


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He looks like a JAG and the injury was a long time ago.



Odd, considering he looked fast tonight. Not his fault they dont use him in the 2nd half


He has 17 carries for 66 yards. He looks more like an undrafted FA then the number 2 pick right now
RE: RE: anybody else conerned about barkley ?  
lax counsel : 12/9/2019 11:51 pm : link
In comment 14711240 KDubbs said:
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In comment 14711232 Giantfan21 said:


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He looks like a JAG and the injury was a long time ago.



Odd, considering he looked fast tonight. Not his fault they dont use him in the 2nd half


Hopefully a new regime maximizes his talents. But I think were al seeing the fears many of us had making a running back a corner stone pick on steam bereft of talent.
RE: How can Shurmur possibly think that he is equipped to  
smshmth8690 : 12/9/2019 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14711273 CT Charlie said:
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call plays? Can he study the Eagles defensive adjustments? Can he talk with the QB and the rest of the offense about what'll work? Does he even have time to listen to coaches upstairs? It would be different if he clearly had a feel for the game, or if he had outstanding talent -- guys who can dominate the line of scrimmage and execute... But, no. Again and again, he shows no ability to adjust. He should let somebody else call the plays, but he's just too stubborn.



Ypu. more of the same, AGAIN. I'm all for stability, but let's start the clean out tomorrow.
RE: Three times  
Emil : 12/9/2019 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14711221 Joey in VA said:
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Again. Three fucking short yardage plays and we use 2 DL. Again. Afuckingain. Three plays that we have the god damn horses to stop and your fat ass uses 2 DL again. Horse shit. Fire that sloppy bitch tomorrow.


Preach man!

This is why I cant blame DG. Hes given this staff some serious beef on the DL but Bettcher treats every down like its a passing down.
To all you guys asking why Zac Ertz was so wide open  
loafin : 12/9/2019 11:52 pm : link
The coaching staff required that they would have their best player on him, NOBODY!
RE: Three times  
Mdgiantsfan : 12/9/2019 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14711221 Joey in VA said:
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Again. Three fucking short yardage plays and we use 2 DL. Again. Afuckingain. Three plays that we have the god damn horses to stop and your fat ass uses 2 DL again. Horse shit. Fire that sloppy bitch tomorrow.


I couldnt believe it when I saw the replays 🤦🏾‍♂️. On one of the plays we left a gaping hole which allowed Peters to easily get to Mayo to blow him out of the hole.
RE: This is a deflating loss  
5BowlsSoon : 12/9/2019 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14711124 Sammo85 said:
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I dont see how they come back Sunday on short rest given its almost Tuesday already and playing a tough emotionally drive game and lose it as they did and beat the Dolphins.

Really horrific second half by Shurmur and Shula. As bad as Eagles were in first, Giants showed them equals on second half.


Dolphins lost an emotion gut wrenching game in NY too yesterday.
RE: How can Shurmur possibly think that he is equipped to  
HomerJones45 : 12/9/2019 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14711273 CT Charlie said:
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call plays? Can he study the Eagles defensive adjustments? Can he talk with the QB and the rest of the offense about what'll work? Does he even have time to listen to coaches upstairs? It would be different if he clearly had a feel for the game, or if he had outstanding talent -- guys who can dominate the line of scrimmage and execute... But, no. Again and again, he shows no ability to adjust. He should let somebody else call the plays, but he's just too stubborn.
No doubt we do not understand the subtlety of thought that went into calling a flea flicker on 3rd and long.
RE: We almost  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 12/9/2019 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14711076 mittenedman said:
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got the kind of game we wanted to see out of our young D - except they folded like a cheap suit and couldnt finish the game. Damn


They were dead freaking tired !!! On the field the entire 2nd half!! They ran out of gas !
FUCK SHUMER  
Big Daddy : 12/9/2019 11:52 pm : link
I HATE THAT MOTHER F*CKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: RE: How can Shurmur possibly think that he is equipped to  
Emil : 12/9/2019 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14711298 smshmth8690 said:
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In comment 14711273 CT Charlie said:


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call plays? Can he study the Eagles defensive adjustments? Can he talk with the QB and the rest of the offense about what'll work? Does he even have time to listen to coaches upstairs? It would be different if he clearly had a feel for the game, or if he had outstanding talent -- guys who can dominate the line of scrimmage and execute... But, no. Again and again, he shows no ability to adjust. He should let somebody else call the plays, but he's just too stubborn.




Ypu. more of the same, AGAIN. I'm all for stability, but let's start the clean out tomorrow.


Two words
Flea Flicker
Its time for the entire coaching staff and front office to go already.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/9/2019 11:53 pm : link
Enough.
David Mayo can't cover  
section125 : 12/9/2019 11:53 pm : link
and now can't tackle. Should never see the field again.

Ogletree need to go. He blows as many plays as he makes.

Beal always turns his back to the receiver when he turns up field. No wonder he always loses his man.

Bettcher is just an awful DC.

Julian Love makes plays, but he needs to learn to breakdown and not fly by the man he is tackling.

Shurmur probably cooked his goose in this game. As he did in the Eagle game last year, had terrible offensive play calling in the 2nd half.
RE: RE: Really disappointing to hand Wentz  
St. Jimmy : 12/9/2019 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14711278 Anakim said:
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In comment 14711268 St. Jimmy said:


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his third game winning drive of his career against the Giants. Fucking pathetic that they let that loser beat them again.



Get Right Team!
Yup. That wasn't a typical get Giants get right game though. They'll play similar game against the Redskins.
RE: RE: Love,  
AcidTest : 12/9/2019 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14711157 Emil said:
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In comment 14711110 AcidTest said:


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Baker, Lawrence, Ximines, Slayton, Williams, Golden, Hill, Tomlinson, and Eli played well.

The OL was awful, especially Solder and Halapio. That unit was why we lost the game. The defense was just exhausted at the end.

Shurmur and DG have made too many mistakes to stay.




Seems to me you really liked how a lot of DGs additions played tonight...


Jones and Lawrence have played well, but they were first round picks. Baker has been improving, but still looks lost in zone. Nothing really from Ximines this year, or Carter. Hernandez seems to have taken a step back, but I admit it's hard to judge him since the whole OL is a train wreck. Tomlinson was Reese.

But the real problem is DG's FA signings. Solder, Ogletree, Omameh, Bethea, Stewart, Halapio, etc. Williams can play but the trade was epically bad. I'm also against any GM who refuses to ever trade down in any round.
RE: RE: RE: How can Shurmur possibly think that he is equipped to  
smshmth8690 : 12/9/2019 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14711313 Emil said:
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In comment 14711298 smshmth8690 said:


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In comment 14711273 CT Charlie said:


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call plays? Can he study the Eagles defensive adjustments? Can he talk with the QB and the rest of the offense about what'll work? Does he even have time to listen to coaches upstairs? It would be different if he clearly had a feel for the game, or if he had outstanding talent -- guys who can dominate the line of scrimmage and execute... But, no. Again and again, he shows no ability to adjust. He should let somebody else call the plays, but he's just too stubborn.




Ypu. more of the same, AGAIN. I'm all for stability, but let's start the clean out tomorrow.



Two words
Flea Flicker


Maybe the worst call I have ever seen.
RE: You people talking about  
FStubbs : 12/9/2019 11:55 pm : link
In comment 14711253 Geomon said:
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WHAT THE FUCK IS CHASE YOUNG GOING TO DO?

Huh? With this coaching staff, what the fuck is he going to do? He'll just be another high draft pick that we ruin on this worse than fucking putrid defense.


Chase or not, if we return the same regime we're going 0-16 next year.
RE: RE: This is a deflating loss  
St. Jimmy : 12/9/2019 11:55 pm : link
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I dont see how they come back Sunday on short rest given its almost Tuesday already and playing a tough emotionally drive game and lose it as they did and beat the Dolphins.

Really horrific second half by Shurmur and Shula. As bad as Eagles were in first, Giants showed them equals on second half.



Dolphins lost an emotion gut wrenching game in NY too yesterday.
Giants are due for some Fitzmagic.
Losers lose  
Go Terps : 12/9/2019 11:55 pm : link
And the offense died at halftime the moment Schwartz adjusted. Losing team. Losing culture.

2-11.
Actually think the eagles are worse than the dolphins right now  
micky : 12/9/2019 11:55 pm : link
And let a 14 pt lead go to them.

A lot has to change this offseason
RE: RE: You people talking about  
beatrixkiddo : 12/9/2019 11:56 pm : link
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WHAT THE FUCK IS CHASE YOUNG GOING TO DO?

Huh? With this coaching staff, what the fuck is he going to do? He'll just be another high draft pick that we ruin on this worse than fucking putrid defense.



Chase or not, if we return the same regime we're going 0-16 next year.


Chase 2020
4 Sunshine in 2021

Keep the regime. Haha
Can  
AcidTest : 12/9/2019 11:56 pm : link
we please stop talking about using Solder at RT? Just eat the cap hit and cut him, Remmers, and Halapio.

What does it say about our offense that it couldn't move the ball at all simply because the Eagles finally took away a fifth round rookie WR?
Schurmured again  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/9/2019 11:56 pm : link
... He;s like Artie in Casino

he sunk the whole world
RE: Holy christ  
santacruzom : 12/9/2019 11:57 pm : link
In comment 14711175 Since1976 said:
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Ive not been this frustrated with this organization since the he who shall not be named years. This team has zero heart, zero self respect and zero balls.


Right? Remember when Gettleman said "No guts, no glory kid?" in response to some question during the offseason. I said he was merely taking inventory instead of employing a tough guy cliche. I was right.
Shurmur  
LeftHook : 12/9/2019 11:58 pm : link
Clueless at the podium !
Serious question  
beatrixkiddo : 12/9/2019 11:59 pm : link
Has there been any FA signed by Gettleman that havent been huge mistakes? I cant think of one that has proven worth their salt.
It's crazy how lost the defense looks.  
Gmen703 : 12/9/2019 11:59 pm : link
. Folks running wide open in secondary in the 13th game of the season. There's no excuse. Heads must roll.
Hard to believe we are this far into the season  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/10/2019 12:00 am : link
And DBs still dont know who they are supposed to cover. Zak Ertz completely uncovered in the end zone.
.  
Banks : 12/10/2019 12:00 am : link
netted 29 yards in the 2nd half and outscored 20-0. We scored on big plays, but there was hope that we'd have some sustainable drives after, but nope...Shurmur shit the bed and couldn't muster 3 frickin pts against an awful defense. That flea flicker was the single worst call I've seen in giants history. Somehow worse than the cards debacle. He needs to go
RE: Serious question  
Mdgiantsfan : 12/10/2019 12:00 am : link
In comment 14711392 beatrixkiddo said:
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Has there been any FA signed by Gettleman that havent been huge mistakes? I cant think of one that has proven worth their salt.


Goldens been a good pickup...outside of that I got nothing
RE: Shurmur  
LeftHook : 12/10/2019 12:00 am : link
In comment 14711382 LeftHook said:
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Clueless at the podium !

Fucking Deer in Headlights, look....... his answers are comical
RE: Serious question  
Banks : 12/10/2019 12:01 am : link
In comment 14711392 beatrixkiddo said:
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Has there been any FA signed by Gettleman that havent been huge mistakes? I cant think of one that has proven worth their salt.

Golden has been very good imo. Problem is that he has a 1 year deal
Mara  
holmancomedown : 12/10/2019 12:02 am : link
You dont read this site but if you hear about it I want to say a resounding FUCK YOU for what you have given us ! Fuck GETTLEMAN and fuck that pussy shurmur ! Im done with you ! FUCK YOU !
I know Shurmur sucks  
rocco8112 : 12/10/2019 12:03 am : link
but, someone let me know when I can be concerned about Barkley being a bust. Soft, dances, never steamrolls anyone, his hesitation to point of attack was evident this game, drops passes.

his younger penn state teammate on the birds looked way better.

Let me know when I can panic about him too
murmur is a born loser  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/10/2019 12:03 am : link
fuck you Hal Hunter

via Imgflip Meme Generator
RE: Shurmur  
smshmth8690 : 12/10/2019 12:04 am : link
In comment 14711382 LeftHook said:
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Clueless at the podium !


Asked a question about the current losing streak, his answer "it's not something you want to be a part of." C'mon Tisch & Mara, give him what he wants.
RE: RE: anybody else conerned about barkley ?  
sb from NYT Forum : 12/10/2019 12:06 am : link
In comment 14711240 KDubbs said:
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He looks like a JAG and the injury was a long time ago.



Odd, considering he looked fast tonight. Not his fault they dont use him in the 2nd half


Um, they used him a lot in the second half. He wasnt effective.
RE: RE: Serious question  
beatrixkiddo : 12/10/2019 12:06 am : link
In comment 14711408 Mdgiantsfan said:
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Has there been any FA signed by Gettleman that havent been huge mistakes? I cant think of one that has proven worth their salt.



Goldens been a good pickup...outside of that I got nothing


And to think he probably only signed him as he was familiar with Bettcher in AZ. Unreal, I really dont want Dave making and decisions with our cap money mi big forward. He did good getting rid of some people, getting new scouts in here, and fixing our drafts to respectable levels. But Gettleman is to FA what Jerry Reece was to drafting. Can we get a GM who is competent at both?
It really is sad...  
bw in dc : 12/10/2019 12:07 am : link
and Im not a sentimental guy, that Eli ends his career with these two ass faces running the show - Shurmur and Gettleman.
RE: I know Shurmur sucks  
Hsilwek92 : 12/10/2019 12:08 am : link
In comment 14711443 rocco8112 said:
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but, someone let me know when I can be concerned about Barkley being a bust. Soft, dances, never steamrolls anyone, his hesitation to point of attack was evident this game, drops passes.

his younger penn state teammate on the birds looked way better.

Let me know when I can panic about him too



This isnt a serious post, is it?

If it is, holy fuck is is goddamn stupid.
RE: RE: RE: anybody else conerned about barkley ?  
rocco8112 : 12/10/2019 12:08 am : link
In comment 14711468 sb from NYT Forum said:
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He looks like a JAG and the injury was a long time ago.



Odd, considering he looked fast tonight. Not his fault they dont use him in the 2nd half



Um, they used him a lot in the second half. He wasnt effective.


Seriously, Barkley sucks now. I think he may become a bust. Hopefully the new coach can save his career.

He plays soft too.
RE: RE: I know Shurmur sucks  
rocco8112 : 12/10/2019 12:09 am : link
In comment 14711503 Hsilwek92 said:
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but, someone let me know when I can be concerned about Barkley being a bust. Soft, dances, never steamrolls anyone, his hesitation to point of attack was evident this game, drops passes.

his younger penn state teammate on the birds looked way better.

Let me know when I can panic about him too




This isnt a serious post, is it?

If it is, holy fuck is is goddamn stupid.


100 percent serious
For the win  
JerseyCityJoe : 12/10/2019 12:09 am : link
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Losers lose
Go Terps : 12/9/2019 11:55 pm : link : reply
And the offense died at halftime the moment Schwartz adjusted. Losing team. Losing culture.

2-11.


Exactly
RE: RE: RE: I know Shurmur sucks  
Hsilwek92 : 12/10/2019 12:10 am : link
In comment 14711508 rocco8112 said:
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but, someone let me know when I can be concerned about Barkley being a bust. Soft, dances, never steamrolls anyone, his hesitation to point of attack was evident this game, drops passes.

his younger penn state teammate on the birds looked way better.

Let me know when I can panic about him too




This isnt a serious post, is it?

If it is, holy fuck is is goddamn stupid.



100 percent serious


Then Im sorry youre that stupid.

Jesus fucking christ
RE: RE: RE: RE: I know Shurmur sucks  
rocco8112 : 12/10/2019 12:12 am : link
In comment 14711521 Hsilwek92 said:
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but, someone let me know when I can be concerned about Barkley being a bust. Soft, dances, never steamrolls anyone, his hesitation to point of attack was evident this game, drops passes.

his younger penn state teammate on the birds looked way better.

Let me know when I can panic about him too




This isnt a serious post, is it?

If it is, holy fuck is is goddamn stupid.



100 percent serious



Then Im sorry youre that stupid.

Jesus fucking christ


he doesn't look good to me, he is supposed to be a difference maker too.

Again, hopefully he improves.
If one of things you took away from this game is that Saquan Barkely  
Hsilwek92 : 12/10/2019 12:14 am : link
is a bust, you literally dont know a damn thing about football.

Just...holy fucking shit.
Shurmur is gone....  
prdave73 : 12/10/2019 12:21 am : link
How is it that this nobody in Boston Scott goes for 59 yds 1 Td, 6 Rec 69yds?!! But but, one of the best weapons(Barkley) in the league only goes for 69 yds & 1 yd receiving?!??!?!!??! That right there is the biggest reason Shurmur needs to go and will be fired. The Playcalling and not utilizing players strengths is horrible and unacceptable..
RE: If one of things you took away from this game is that Saquan Barkely  
prdave73 : 12/10/2019 12:23 am : link
In comment 14711543 Hsilwek92 said:
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is a bust, you literally dont know a damn thing about football.

Just...holy fucking shit.



Some people here don't have a clue..

Ask them what the Panthers would do with Barkley? Or the Patriots?!??
Same old shit  
Matt M. : 12/10/2019 12:23 am : link
This game saw the same problems we've seen all season. Slow start, no halftime adjustments on either side, looking like they have no clue in the second half, not getting Barkley the ball enough in the second half, waiting forever to call a timeout at the end of the 4th quarter. Then there is the creme de la creme, the flea flicker. What the fuck call is that on 3rd and long?

One question  
Matt M. : 12/10/2019 12:28 am : link
After the Eagles scored their 1st TD, they started talking about analytics in the booth and this is when you start going for 2. Huh? What analytics say to go for 2 instead of making it a 1 score game with more than a quarter to play?
the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/10/2019 12:30 am : link
Giants offense had 11 first downs.

11.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/10/2019 12:36 am : link
Big Blue Interactive
@BigBlueInteract

16s
Darius Slayton had five catches for 154 yards and two touchdowns in the first half.

He ended the game with the same stats.
RE: Serious question  
BleedBlue : 12/10/2019 12:44 am : link
In comment 14711392 beatrixkiddo said:
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Has there been any FA signed by Gettleman that havent been huge mistakes? I cant think of one that has proven worth their salt.


uh golden has been REALLY good. so good i would resgin and make him play opposite young in 2020.

you dont build through free agency anyways...free agency is for depth and stop gaps. MAYBE every once in a while you land a big time player.

think about the draft and what he has done in two years.

barkley is an all world talent. watch with a good OL and a coach who knows wtf to do.

slayton looks solid as hell in his FIRST year. he def could be a #1 going forward

connelly looked like the goods before injury, very excited to have him back

jones is a franchise QB

love looks solid, i think in time he can be the starting FS.

baker is awesome in man, horrible in zone. he needs to work on it, but he looks like he could be a solid corner for a long time.

hernandez will be fine when he has an NFL center next to him and a LT that isnt on skates

carter has a nice skillset but he hasnt shown much. i think he is a great athlete and hope being a more rotational guy, he can make an impact

ximenes hasnt shown much but again, maybe a new scheme and coach he can be a rotational pass rusher

lawerence is a run clogging monster who can push the pocket from interior. i think he will be a nice piece of the front 7 moving forward

hill is depth at this point, a little lack luster for sure after a great showing last year

beal struggled, but he is still young and inexperienced

ballentine is a blazer but needs a ton of work


his FA signings
stewart-Depth-didnt stop us from signing anyone

bethea-old, but he wanted a vet to lead what he knew would be a young secondary(he is a goner)

omameh-hoping top catch lightening in a bottle, guy was huge. his talent level wasnt but regardless he had to field a team

martin-depth guy, rotational piece, maybe he makes an impact in pass rush(drafted his replacement in ximenes and now maybe carter if we get young)

solder-big fail, however...who saw this coming? NE offered him a deal too. he was a quality LT when we had ZERO stability along the OL and quality LT play in the NFL wasnt falling off trees.

Remmers-uh who else was playing RT. he had literally NO CHOICE

Tate-you guys hate but i like the signing. he is a tough gritty WR and he knew in PS offense the quick passing game was key. i think shep/slayton/tate is a fine trio moving forward

You guys want to kill DG but this is a WILDLY young and inexperienced team at key positions. His two drafts have been solid. look around the league...not every draft just produces a ton of starters. the FACT is building a team takes time. our previous GM was a shitshow after the first two rounds outside of one season. it takes time to rectify 6 straight years of poor drafting. I think with a PROVEN HC (not some mcvay fantasy that you all have) this team would have been a few wins better THIS year. next year with another draft(yay for chase young) and some quality FA signings(schobert or littleton to play alongside connelly) and I think we can compete in a weak division.
I thought Julian Love looked really good.  
Tesla : 12/10/2019 12:45 am : link
Also, using 2 down lineman when they Eagles were first and goal on the 3 yard line is absolutely idiotic. Bettcher is so stupid it's actually hard to fathom.
re: FA  
GRBlue : 12/10/2019 12:47 am : link
People forget that players have to want to come to your team in order to sign them.

The allure of the Giants is GONE.

You have to overpay while you build through the draft.
At the half, I was genuinely happy. Then I remembered that I want Pat  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/10/2019 12:49 am : link
as far gone from this team as possible. Thankfully, Pat handled that himself with help from the usual suspects.

One day everyone on the defense will know their responsibilities. Unfortunately that day will only be after James Bettcher is fired. Can't knock the effort though. The secondary is good for one absofuckinglutely killer penalty that negates a 3rd down in a key spot EVERY single week. Today it was Sam Beal's turn.

The Chase for Chase continues.
And the other thing I took from the game is that the Eagles  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/10/2019 1:01 am : link
fucking suck and have no business in the postseason. Yes, they have a lot of injuries, but they were fucking lifeless tonight and only the ineptitude of Pat's Putas saved them from a season ending embarrassment.
They can't even commit penalties properly.  
Blue Dream : 12/10/2019 1:43 am : link
Someone should tell Beall that if you are going to commit defensive holding you need to at least do it long enough so the receiver doesn't catch the damn ball anyway. 5 yards is better than 22
logged in for the first time in months  
Nitro : 12/10/2019 2:33 am : link
just to say this team is fucking garbage. Fire EVERYONE.
Shurmur is so use to not winning as a HC  
Rflairr : 12/10/2019 3:01 am : link
it doesn't even bother him
3 plays  
jeff57 : 12/10/2019 5:29 am : link
And a cloud of punts.
. . . .  
jeff57 : 12/10/2019 5:39 am : link
The Eagles had lost 19 straight games when trailing by 14 or more points in the second half before rallying against the Giants. They previously overcame a 20-6 deficit in a 30-27 win over Indianapolis in Week 2 of the 2014 season.
RE: RE: RE: anybody else conerned about barkley ?  
DeepBlueJint : 12/10/2019 6:27 am : link
In comment 14711468 sb from NYT Forum said:
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He looks like a JAG and the injury was a long time ago.



Odd, considering he looked fast tonight. Not his fault they dont use him in the 2nd half



Um, they used him a lot in the second half. He wasnt effective.


Used him a lot? LMAO. Last possession in 4th QTR. First Down pass gets 7 yards. Three downs to get 3 YARDS. Did Barkley get the ball? Even once? STFU
RE: How is Zach Ertz uncovered  
Earl the goat : 12/10/2019 6:29 am : link
In comment 14711133 Torrag said:
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ZACH FUCKING ERTZ!!! Are you fucking kidding me? Betccher should be fired tonight. Immediately. Not allowed on the plane. He should have to rent a car to drive home.

This coaching staff must go. They are losers.


They took a bus to philly. Not a plane lol
Ouch  
Simms : 12/10/2019 6:47 am : link
To me the flag on third and ten giving the Eagles life allowing them to march down the field was the final straw. They would have punted at that juncture might have been a different outcome. Maybe.

Out coached.....again  
Fishmanjim57 : 12/10/2019 7:53 am : link
Again, the Giants went into the locker room with a lead at halftime and were shut out in the second half.
If that doesn't prove that Shurmur and his staff have no clue what they're doing to the owners, then I don't know why Shurmur & Co. are still employed.
Doug Pederson went into the locker room at half behind, made adjustments that forced an overtime, and as usual the Giants lost to the Eagles.
As for Shurmur, it didn't matter that his future HOF qb was perhaps starting his final game for the Giants, he made no changes.
I want Shurmur fired TODAY!
Gettleman can get axed after the season, but I want Shurmur to be fired!
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