Many of us had a real queasy feeling about this as soon as it was predictably announced.
The problem the Giants have moving forward is that John Mara doesn't seem to have a feel for running a professional football team.
And he's listening to the wrong people.
God help the Giants.
17-3 over the Eagles. They lose a bunch of players to injuries. They're done.
All we have to do is get a few first downs, maybe a field goal.
We can't even do that against a BAD football team.
And we all felt it falling apart as soon as it was 17-10. It was only a matter of time.
17-3 over the Eagles. They lose a bunch of players to injuries. They're done.
All we have to do is get a few first downs, maybe a field goal.
We can't even do that against a BAD football team.
And we all felt it falling apart as soon as it was 17-10. It was only a matter of time.
When you have a clueless GM who hires an equally clueless head coach and gives that head coach one of the two worst rosters in the entire sport, this is what you get.
Daniel Jones is the only good decision he made.
Saw this disaster coming the second this clown drafted Barkley. No running back is worth that pick. I would have rather swing and miss on a premium position than take a guy that has to be one of the best ever to ever justify being picked that high.
If another team would give up a 1st round pick for Barkley in the off-season, I'd trade him in a second. By the time the Giants are good Barkley's going to be commanding a huge payday and likely have his best years behind him already.
I would not even consider giving him a big long term contract. The Giants will almost certainly make the mistake of doing that. Fans would hate it if they traded him for a 1st rounder in the off-season but it would 100% be the right move.
Blank slate.
I don't think it will be an easy sell to get the organizational changes at the top that this team needs but at least there is a shot because Tisch is understandably fed up.
Wish Dolan had a co-owner. Still say the chances of these changes aren't super high but there is a shot IMO.
Blank slate.
Certainly the Giants can't trade the touched by the hand of God running back that they have. Hell, they should give him his 100 million dollar contract now.
17-3 over the Eagles. They lose a bunch of players to injuries. They're done.
All we have to do is get a few first downs, maybe a field goal.
We can't even do that against a BAD football team.
And we all felt it falling apart as soon as it was 17-10. It was only a matter of time.
When the eagles scored that td I told my eagles gf that it's over. Giants are losing this game. She said that the eagles suck and we are still up and I re-assured it was all but official. That's the way it's been. I have no faith in this team. It's depressing that the best football we've seen was the 2nd half of last year.
It hasn't been all good decisions by DG but it never is by anyone. I'm still going to stay patient and see how this offseason plays out. I think his job is safe for now.
So far my big worry is threefold, two misses on large contracts that went to Ogletree and Solder and hiring Shurmur. Those situations aren't working out at all. On the other hand he got the OBJ trade correct and I like the talent acquired via the Draft.
It was a disaster when DG walked in the door. With so many working parts in disarray mistakes were bound to happen. So far he's identified them when they've occurred, cut our losses and moved on. If he continues in that vein I believe better times will arrive sooner than later.
When your players play a full half of dominant football and go into the locker room with a 17-3 lead, and then you come back out and the other team makes a few adjustments here and there all of a sudden scores 20 unanswered points and your offense moves the ball 30 yards in the 2nd half, that to me is on coaching. A similar thing happened in last year's game in Philly, it was like Deja Vu. Shurmur has a lead and blows it because Pederson simply out-adjusts him, out-thinks him, out-COACHES him. I actually think Pederson is a perfect example to highlight how bad Shurmur is because he is such a cerebral guy and Shurmur is such a moron. Pederson can take a bad team and coach them up to be tied for the division lead in a bad NFCE, while Shurmur literally only brings out the worst in his players because he doesn't know how to in-game adjust or how to coach a football team in general.
Mind you, DG is no genius himself, but I would say he is less to blame than Shurmur based on SOME of the talent I've seen flashes of here and there and a couple of moves he's made that were fairly savvy (of course there were other moves I very much didn't like, but you win some you lose some). I think DG is certainly less at fault than Shurmur, but that said I don't even care at this point about any sort of "continuity" or whatever, I'm tired of rooting for a dinosaur franchise and I want NYG to bring in people fit to manage and coach in the 2020s. So I'm simply saying DG is less at fault but I still wouldn't mind seeing him canned. Shurmur is clear-cut #1 on my shit-list though, by far.
It hasn't been all good decisions by DG but it never is by anyone. I'm still going to stay patient and see how this offseason plays out. I think his job is safe for now.
So far my big worry is threefold, two misses on large contracts that went to Ogletree and Solder and hiring Shurmur. Those situations aren't working out at all. On the other hand he got the OBJ trade correct and I like the talent acquired via the Draft.
It was a disaster when DG walked in the door. With so many working parts in disarray mistakes were bound to happen. So far he's identified them when they've occurred, cut our losses and moved on. If he continues in that vein I believe better times will arrive sooner than later.
He hired his friend. It was nepotism dressed up as a GM search
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17-3 over the Eagles. They lose a bunch of players to injuries. They're done.
All we have to do is get a few first downs, maybe a field goal.
We can't even do that against a BAD football team.
And we all felt it falling apart as soon as it was 17-10. It was only a matter of time.
When you have a clueless GM who hires an equally clueless head coach and gives that head coach one of the two worst rosters in the entire sport, this is what you get.
Daniel Jones is the only good decision he made.
Saw this disaster coming the second this clown drafted Barkley. No running back is worth that pick. I would have rather swing and miss on a premium position than take a guy that has to be one of the best ever to ever justify being picked that high.
If another team would give up a 1st round pick for Barkley in the off-season, I'd trade him in a second. By the time the Giants are good Barkley's going to be commanding a huge payday and likely have his best years behind him already.
I would not even consider giving him a big long term contract. The Giants will almost certainly make the mistake of doing that. Fans would hate it if they traded him for a 1st rounder in the off-season but it would 100% be the right move.
The problem is the other 31 teams in the league are smarter than that. Nobody would trade a first round pick for Barkley.
The next time our defense can feel a screen pass and defend it will be the first.
Our players actually played pretty well. The rookies are getting better. Slayton is a stud. Baker May have had his best game. Dex Lawrence is a beast. Ximines had 2 sacks. Love is showing he has ability. Beal is basically a rookie and looked to be the target, but he looks to be an NFL corner.
If people want to blame Gettlemen for Shurmur and Ogletree, fine. But this is not a bad team. The coaching is very bad.
And then Gettleman proceeded to draft, acquire, and trade for this poor roster so it could be poorly coached by Shurmur and his horrible staff.
"Giants Way" football. There is no substitute.
Sure DG hasn't been perfect and he's had to work out of cap hell but he's got an eye for talent that Reese didn't.
Shurmer is an abomination. If we had a halfway decent coach, let alone a good one, this team would be much closer to .500 and arguably in 1st in a terrible division.
My vote is to get get rid of the coaching staff and give DG more time, but he doesn't get to pick the coach.
I thought about that, too.
I wonder if Accorsi cold called Mara and asked him if could lead the search. And that he said had a great candidate in mind - Gettleman.
Especially the cap hell that he created for himself.
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Sure DG hasn't been perfect and he's had to work out of cap hell but he's got an eye for talent that Reese didn't.
Especially the cap hell that he created for himself.
There was nothing he could really do until 2020. I'd be willing to give him next year.
I guess part of my concern is I have zero faith that the next GM will be any better and actually expect them to be worse.
At least with a new coach it can't get worse.
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Sure DG hasn't been perfect and he's had to work out of cap hell but he's got an eye for talent that Reese didn't.
Especially the cap hell that he created for himself.
There was nothing he could really do until 2020. I'd be willing to give him next year.
I guess part of my concern is I have zero faith that the next GM will be any better and actually expect them to be worse.
At least with a new coach it can't get worse.
There was nothing he could really do?
He could have not signed Solder, not signed Omameh, not signed Stewart, not signed Barwin, not signed Mauro, not signed Martin, not signed Bethea, not traded for Ogletree, not signed Beckham to a huge contract before trading him, not restructured Solder and Ellison to push more of their money into 2020 and 2021...
Should I continue? Gettleman has fucked up the cap management in ways that should require intent.
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Gettleman is doing a great job. Just ask a lot of BBI. It's all Shurmur's fault, DG is doing a great job just let him hire another coach, he definitely deserves to hire a 2nd coach after hiring Shurmur.
When your players play a full half of dominant football and go into the locker room with a 17-3 lead, and then you come back out and the other team makes a few adjustments here and there all of a sudden scores 20 unanswered points and your offense moves the ball 30 yards in the 2nd half, that to me is on coaching. A similar thing happened in last year's game in Philly, it was like Deja Vu. Shurmur has a lead and blows it because Pederson simply out-adjusts him, out-thinks him, out-COACHES him. I actually think Pederson is a perfect example to highlight how bad Shurmur is because he is such a cerebral guy and Shurmur is such a moron. Pederson can take a bad team and coach them up to be tied for the division lead in a bad NFCE, while Shurmur literally only brings out the worst in his players because he doesn't know how to in-game adjust or how to coach a football team in general.
Mind you, DG is no genius himself, but I would say he is less to blame than Shurmur based on SOME of the talent I've seen flashes of here and there and a couple of moves he's made that were fairly savvy (of course there were other moves I very much didn't like, but you win some you lose some). I think DG is certainly less at fault than Shurmur, but that said I don't even care at this point about any sort of "continuity" or whatever, I'm tired of rooting for a dinosaur franchise and I want NYG to bring in people fit to manage and coach in the 2020s. So I'm simply saying DG is less at fault but I still wouldn't mind seeing him canned. Shurmur is clear-cut #1 on my shit-list though, by far.
Agreed. Well said
The franchise has been set back far enough
Rinse and repeat is the true "Giants way."
Now look at the Giants. They seem to refuse to look outside their circle. Not a smart way to do business and its cost them dearly.
Rinse and repeat is the true "Giants way."
And Ernie will recommend....Kevin Abrams.
I'm no Gettleman defender and I'd like him gone, but I will give him credit for that much. A lot of GMs hang on to mistakes for far too long.
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Gettleman is doing a great job. Just ask a lot of BBI. It's all Shurmur's fault, DG is doing a great job just let him hire another coach, he definitely deserves to hire a 2nd coach after hiring Shurmur.
When your players play a full half of dominant football and go into the locker room with a 17-3 lead, and then you come back out and the other team makes a few adjustments here and there all of a sudden scores 20 unanswered points and your offense moves the ball 30 yards in the 2nd half, that to me is on coaching. A similar thing happened in last year's game in Philly, it was like Deja Vu. Shurmur has a lead and blows it because Pederson simply out-adjusts him, out-thinks him, out-COACHES him. I actually think Pederson is a perfect example to highlight how bad Shurmur is because he is such a cerebral guy and Shurmur is such a moron. Pederson can take a bad team and coach them up to be tied for the division lead in a bad NFCE, while Shurmur literally only brings out the worst in his players because he doesn't know how to in-game adjust or how to coach a football team in general.
Mind you, DG is no genius himself, but I would say he is less to blame than Shurmur based on SOME of the talent I've seen flashes of here and there and a couple of moves he's made that were fairly savvy (of course there were other moves I very much didn't like, but you win some you lose some). I think DG is certainly less at fault than Shurmur, but that said I don't even care at this point about any sort of "continuity" or whatever, I'm tired of rooting for a dinosaur franchise and I want NYG to bring in people fit to manage and coach in the 2020s. So I'm simply saying DG is less at fault but I still wouldn't mind seeing him canned. Shurmur is clear-cut #1 on my shit-list though, by far.
Right its just a player or two and a new coach...
Don't you realize that is what all bad teams tell themselves.
There isn't an NFL team that doesn't look at the Giants as a joke... The Eagle players took this game for granted in the first half. Even as bad as the Giants are, you can't do that in the NFL. They woke up in the second half.
See how easy it is to see things differently.
Oh, the Eagles out coached the Giants as well. The whole fish is rotten.
Mara hires Acorsi as a consultant so it appears as though the GM decision is being made by a professional with experience. I also believe Mara was targeting Gettleman even before hiring Acorsi. The Acorsi thing was more about fan optics and a second opinion.
Mara also made the decision on Shurmur. Gettleman may have provided a list of candidates to Mara and offered his two cents... but in the end, this was Mara's hire too.
So, we can kill Gettleman all day when it comes to roster moves, but I think we need to give the blame here to the owner.