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You can sum up the season on this series of events

figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 7:44 am
End of the first half, 4th down, the Eagles run out their punt team. When they line up, they switch and run out the offense to make it seem like they are going for it. Essentially, Pederson had not intention of actually going for it, but knew that Shurmur was going to have to bang a time out to get the correct personnel out on the field.

This is the second time this has happened to the Giants in the last few weeks. Does this team not practice or prepare at all during the week? When mistakes are made, are they not corrected during film sessions?

Fast forward to the end of the game, same situation where the Eagles have a 4th down and you can see Shurmur not calling timeout because he actually thinks Pederson is going to go for it. Pederson knew exactly what he was doing with having his offense hang around before sending out the punt team. Shurmur then wastes an additional 20 seconds before calling the TO. Not saying Eli would have led the offense downfield, but you get the ball back with 40 seconds and a TO, maybe, just maybe you can get in FG range. Pederson played that perfectly.

It is amazing what good coaching can do in these instances. Pederson knew exactly what he was doing and was playing mind games with Shurmur.

Yup...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/10/2019 7:49 am : link
but I also "enjoyed" this post from Daniel last night:

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This team
Daniel in MI : 12:11 am : link : reply : Delete
has a unique talent for losing. Seriously. To go up 17-3 on a team struggling in bad weather, with no WRs, and come out in the 2nd half and do NOTHING? And have a defense that can be completely counted on to wilt? No not make 1 freaking play? Twice Ogletree had Wentz dead to rights for sacks and both times CW got the pass off. Beal getting handsy on 3 and 10? Leaving a TE open at the goalline, the best player on their O? Eli with the overthrows. The play calling? Leaving 1:30 after a failed game winning "drive" which never saw us get the ball to SB? We have Tate, Sheppard, and Barkley and cannot get more than 1 first down. In a half. Against a team with a losing record, not some good team. A flea flicker called at a weird time, and in which our LT give up a pressure so fast the QB is getting hit as get gets the pitch? We give help to our LT and he's still getting destroyed? Jackrabbit faked out of his jock? This team is just. so. bad.
Nagy just did this against the Giants two weeks ago  
figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 7:54 am : link
It is just astonishing that the coaches watched that film and did not make any adjustments in the event it happened again.

Pederson and his coaches saw this on film and tried to exploit it. Worst case scenario for Pederson, he takes a 5 yard delay of game or has to call a timeout himself.
In real time  
ray in arlington : 12/10/2019 7:55 am : link
I agreed with Shurmur with not calling the TO. Yes, Pederson was in my head (given his "go for it" strategy) and I fully expected PHI to make it if they went for it given that the Giants defense wasn't making plays. But with the ball PHI 45 I shouldn't have let that dictate my decision.
When's the last time a Giants coach  
GiantsRage2007 : 12/10/2019 8:03 am : link
Made a decision during the game and you were like... oh wow, that was really smart.

Yea... me either.
RE: In real time  
figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 8:07 am : link
In comment 14711902 ray in arlington said:
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I agreed with Shurmur with not calling the TO. Yes, Pederson was in my head (given his "go for it" strategy) and I fully expected PHI to make it if they went for it given that the Giants defense wasn't making plays. But with the ball PHI 45 I shouldn't have let that dictate my decision.


Ray, that is kind of my point. Pederson was in Shurmur's head from doing this same thing earlier. Pederson just wanted as much time to run off as possible to force the game to go to overtime.

Listen, Coughlin got bad with clock management in his last few years, but no matter what the scenario was, you knew he was going to call a TO if there was any time left on the clock to give his offense another shot.
The end of game situation was mind boggling  
weeg in the bronx : 12/10/2019 8:09 am : link
First of all, we are playing for nothing, call his bluff and immediately call the TO. Ok, so yo decide to play for OT but then you call a TO with 17 seconds left. OK, lets give the ST one chance. But you don't put in an punt block team or set up for a return. You take a knee.

Go back to the end of 1H scene ...  
Spider56 : 12/10/2019 8:14 am : link
I think there were 2 seconds on the play clock when nitwit called the TO ...The Eagles had no intention of running a 4th and 1 play ... they wanted to draw the a Giants offsides or get our nitwit to burn a TO which he did....totally frkn obvious.
Spider  
figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 8:15 am : link
Thank you! I couldn't remember the amount of time left on the play clock, so I didn't want to say it and be wrong.

You are right, Pederson was all set to either call the TO or just take the delay of game and Shurmur did him a favor by calling TO.
RE: When's the last time a Giants coach  
Johnny5 : 12/10/2019 8:34 am : link
In comment 14711914 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Made a decision during the game and you were like... oh wow, that was really smart.

Yea... me either.

lol OK, I laughed, I did
RE: RE: In real time  
shyster : 12/10/2019 8:43 am : link
In comment 14711926 figgy2989 said:
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Listen, Coughlin got bad with clock management in his last few years, but no matter what the scenario was, you knew he was going to call a TO if there was any time left on the clock to give his offense another shot.


Not true. Against TB in 2012, Eli threw a pick six with a few seconds left in the first half. After that, TC would at times sit on the ball and people would complain about it.

That was the decision PS made last night. He didn't want the time for the Giants offense to make something happen deep in own territory with limited time. He wanted to take his chances in overtime.

You can disagree with it but it is not true that he let the time run because he necessarily thought Eagles were going for it. Not wanting to give them a free TO in case they did was just another reason not to call the TO.

PS finally called the TO so Eagles would have to punt and there might be a screw up. No punt block play because don't want to risk running into the kicker on fourth and one.

Well then this is coaching scared:  
figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 8:57 am : link
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That was the decision PS made last night. He didn't want the time for the Giants offense to make something happen deep in own territory with limited time. He wanted to take his chances in overtime.


There was no indication with the way the second half was going that the offense was going to do anything. You would think that maybe changing to a hurry up might have mixed things up a little bit.

If Pat was playing for overtime he had to have in the back of his mind that if he loses the toss, the Giants might not ever get the ball back (which ultimately ended up being the case).

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