My opponent this week has Brett Maher at kicker. Cowboys just cut him. So he’s going to have to pick up one off waivers. Someone inexplicably cut Butker from the Chiefs, so I’m confident he’ll claim him (we are down to 4 teams in playoffs). I have Lutz and don’t need a kicker, but my waiver priority is higher than my opponent’s. Would it be a) fair strategy or b) an inexcusable d!ck move for me to claim Butker, with no real intention of playing him...just to keep him from this other team? The matchup is likely to be so close that the kicker position could decide it. Never had this come up before so welcome your thoughts.
Look at this this way, if the game is ends up being close as you mentioned and he wins by a few points because he had Butker as his kicker, would you not be kicking yourself in the ass?
Look at this this way, if the game is ends up being close as you mentioned and he wins by a few points because he had Butker as his kicker, would you not be kicking yourself in the ass?
I’d be cutting Rashad Penny, who is out. Keeping Lutz. One consideration is it will be glaringly obvious why I did this.
Sucks for the guy that wants him, but that's about it.
and secondly, kickers are kind of random. For example, it only takes two Matt Prater FG's (a 40+ yd FG and a 30+ yd FG) to equal 7 extra points from Butker.
So, while Butker is the #2 K (in my league), Matt Gay (for example) is probably not that far behind (if he's available).
Point is do it if you don't have any bigger needs, but it may not have the impact you intend due to the random nature of kickers.
And no delimma at all. Pick him up and stash him.
and secondly, kickers are kind of random. For example, it only takes two Matt Prater FG's (a 40+ yd FG and a 30+ yd FG) to equal 7 extra points from Butker.
So, while Butker is the #2 K (in my league), Matt Gay (for example) is probably not that far behind (if he's available).
Point is do it if you don't have any bigger needs, but it may not have the impact you intend due to the random nature of kickers.
I hate kickers and their randomness. So we don't have them in the league I run. No way should a kicker on a shitty team get more points than some of the top performers because the kicker plays for a team that can't score TDs.
Kickers suck.
And no delimma at all. Pick him up and stash him.
It was a team that did not make the playoffs who cut him.
that's the root cause here
Kickers suck.
Hey...if you're interested next season, I can send you an invite to our league (12 team .5 PPR league on NFL.com). It started this season, and it's a keeper league (but only for non-QBs drafted in 4th or later rounds...one per team). I can send you more details if you are interested since I'm not sure that everyone will return.
And no kickers!
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the only question is do you have any bigger needs that using your higher waiver priority would be impacted by using it in this way.
and secondly, kickers are kind of random. For example, it only takes two Matt Prater FG's (a 40+ yd FG and a 30+ yd FG) to equal 7 extra points from Butker.
So, while Butker is the #2 K (in my league), Matt Gay (for example) is probably not that far behind (if he's available).
Point is do it if you don't have any bigger needs, but it may not have the impact you intend due to the random nature of kickers.
I hate kickers and their randomness. So we don't have them in the league I run. No way should a kicker on a shitty team get more points than some of the top performers because the kicker plays for a team that can't score TDs.
I propose every year to get rid of kickers and I get out voted narrowly.
that's the root cause here
I haven't done that, but thankfully we haven't had any real issues.
The reason why I haven't done it is because it's a keeper league with some unique rules on keepers:
You can keep one player (excluding QB, def, and player acquired through a trade) drafted in the 4th round or later. You give up one round higher if you do keep the player. You can also keep a player you picked up from the waiver by giving up a 10th round pick in the draft.
Now, there is definitely a possibility for people to cheat, but it'll be pretty obvious if they do (like dropping top level player for someone to pick up off waiver), which I have laid out clear rules against.
I currently have three candidates for keeper for next season. Cooper Kupp drafted in the 4th round, but I'm not sure I want to give up a 3rd round pick for him. Hunter Henry and Kerryon Johnson picked up from the waiver wire after they got hurt and were dropped (we do have one IR position on our bench, which is where Johnson has been on my bench for the past 5 weeks). I'm leaning towards giving up my 10th round pick for Johnson.
I've heard of leagues allowing people to keep any two to three players. That sounds crazy to me since it makes it impossible for new managers to come in and be competitive.
At least our method allows you to benefit from finding that promising rookie, backup, or injured players that you have high hopes for.
I lost because Barkley could not put up more than 6 points in a standard format (and because the Giants D sucks balls). This week, two of my playoff opponents in my other two leagues (one is PPR and one is .5 PPR) have Barkley...as well as I have him in another league (.5 PPR). Watch that SOB go off for like 25 points against the Dolphins and knock me out again. Talk about a love-hate relationship with a player...:(
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we lock the rosters of team eliminated from the playoffs.
that's the root cause here
I haven't done that, but thankfully we haven't had any real issues.
The reason why I haven't done it is because it's a keeper league with some unique rules on keepers:
You can keep one player (excluding QB, def, and player acquired through a trade) drafted in the 4th round or later. You give up one round higher if you do keep the player. You can also keep a player you picked up from the waiver by giving up a 10th round pick in the draft.
Now, there is definitely a possibility for people to cheat, but it'll be pretty obvious if they do (like dropping top level player for someone to pick up off waiver), which I have laid out clear rules against.
I currently have three candidates for keeper for next season. Cooper Kupp drafted in the 4th round, but I'm not sure I want to give up a 3rd round pick for him. Hunter Henry and Kerryon Johnson picked up from the waiver wire after they got hurt and were dropped (we do have one IR position on our bench, which is where Johnson has been on my bench for the past 5 weeks). I'm leaning towards giving up my 10th round pick for Johnson.
I've heard of leagues allowing people to keep any two to three players. That sounds crazy to me since it makes it impossible for new managers to come in and be competitive.
At least our method allows you to benefit from finding that promising rookie, backup, or injured players that you have high hopes for.
Fair, my league is a keeper league too but we have a rule that you cannot keep any player added to your roster after week 10. If you're eliminated before week 10 then you deserve whatever unintended consequence happens to you.
that's the root cause here
Actually, Butker hit the waiver wire middle of last week (pre-playoffs) and I've been shocked nobody has picked him up to date. This isn't any roster-dumping by eliminated teams...the team that cut it was in the running through this weekend and just missed out on making the cut.
Rob- picking up the kicker wouldn't increase my point total. I'm going to keep him on the bench. Would only be picking him up to keep him away from my opponent rostering him, where I'm 99.9% sure he'll try to pick him up b/c he's presently got a kicker who was just cut from a team.
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if the player makes your team better, you pick him up. Your opponent will get the next best kicker. You earned your waiver status. Use it.
Rob- picking up the kicker wouldn't increase my point total. I'm going to keep him on the bench. Would only be picking him up to keep him away from my opponent rostering him, where I'm 99.9% sure he'll try to pick him up b/c he's presently got a kicker who was just cut from a team.
Still, it's your perogative. He can get another kicker, and who knows which will score more points, anyway? I actually have two leagues in which I have to replace Maher (I'm in the semi's in all three of my leagues thanks to the big fat goose egg from Jeffrey last night). I expect my opponents to make it difficult for me to get a good kicker.
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if the player makes your team better, you pick him up. Your opponent will get the next best kicker. You earned your waiver status. Use it.
Rob- picking up the kicker wouldn't increase my point total. I'm going to keep him on the bench. Would only be picking him up to keep him away from my opponent rostering him, where I'm 99.9% sure he'll try to pick him up b/c he's presently got a kicker who was just cut from a team.
Still, it's your perogative. He can get another kicker, and who knows which will score more points, anyway? I actually have two leagues in which I have to replace Maher (I'm in the semi's in all three of my leagues thanks to the big fat goose egg from Jeffrey last night). I expect my opponents to make it difficult for me to get a good kicker.
But is there really such a thing as a good kicker? You can have the best actual kicker but he only gets you 4 points because his team scored 4 TDs. You can have a shit kicker but he gets 12 points because he kicked 3 field goals.
Kickers are all about matchups...but mostly about luck.