Even though I have been a pessimist with regards to DG, I'll give him credit for one thing: the 2019 draft looks good. I never believed the hype on the 2018 group even at the end of last year, but I like both the strategy and results on 2019 thus far. DG accumulated a ton of picks, cluster drafted at a position of need (secondary), and got value at other positions where he could. I also think that better coaching will bring out the abilities of several players (Baker, for example).
This draft only puts into contrast how terrible the 2018 draft approach - and overall 2018 offseason strategy was - in contrast to 2019. While the young 2019 players were making plays last night, the class of 2018 (both FA and draftees) were like the ghost of some other failed team haunting the Giants up and down the field. Whether it's Barkley putting in a workmanlike performance more resembling of a 5th-round pick than a premium player, Solder whiffing on blocks, or Ogletree being a step too late on several plays, it only illustrates how different this team could've been had they approached 2018 with a more honest assessment of where they were.
I know this has been debated ad nauseam, but if they had traded down from the 2nd pick instead of taking Barkley, and if they had never made the Ogletree trade, they would've had (in theory) four extra picks in the 2018 draft. That would've been opportunity to grab some young OL that could relegate Solder's ass to the bench, and a few WR/TEs that could make Shepard and Engram expendable for more assets.
If DG were approaching 2020 similar to how he did 2019, I would feel a lot more confident about his direction. Sure, he might have screwed up 2018, but if he kept his 2020 picks and tried to acquire more, it would reflect his full commitment to making this team younger, better, and cost-controlled. Instead, the LW trade - coupled with lack of other deadline trades - has entirely screwed up this process. In doing so, he has also short-changed his best demonstrated ability thus far (drafting) for short-term moves again.
I don't think DG is necessarily an awful GM, and he has shown some potential as a drafter given the 2019 results. He seems too ineffective as a manager of assets, however, to feel confident in the long-term success of this team with him as GM.
Baker has been awful.
Lawrence is good but not a premium high impact position.
Connelly showed some flashes.
I wouldn’t say it’s good.
Baker has been awful.
Lawrence is good but not a premium high impact position.
Connelly showed some flashes.
I wouldn’t say it’s good.
There's a lot of unknown for sure, but I'll go on record and say I think it's going to be good. It really depends on whether the sample size we have on Love is reflective of his actual ability and whether Baker improves, which I'm banking on.
Those two, plus Lawrence and Slayton, plus one of Xman or Connolly turning into a starter makes it pretty good. I know that's a fair amount of "ifs", but the key here is DG gave himself multiples bites of the apple to overcome any failures.
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He's a scout, not a GM
Basically only one of of the DBs (Love) that Gettleman used 6 picks on in 2019 looked good. Color me unimpressed.
Ximenes sucks. Slow as molasses.
Baker has been a major, major disappointment. I had very high hopes given how terrific he was in college. Maybe another DC could turn him around.
We waited a year and a half for Beal to play like garbage. Lucky us.
Connelly looked good.....for six quarters. Coming off an ACL reconstruction, I'd say he's an unknown.
Slayton is a find, if not the budding superstar some people pretended he was last night because he torched some of the worst corners in the league.
Love doesn't look like a star or anything, but he does look competent, at least.
As much as people talk about Ballentine, he just hasn't played very much at all.
Glad to see a Gettleman defender has come here to argue against doing the one thing that seems to have worked for Gettleman thus far.
His tackling is atrocious but I am putting faith (probably misguided) that better coaching will help him.
Ximenes sucks. Slow as molasses.
Baker has been a major, major disappointment. I had very high hopes given how terrific he was in college. Maybe another DC could turn him around.
We waited a year and a half for Beal to play like garbage. Lucky us.
Connelly looked good.....for six quarters. Coming off an ACL reconstruction, I'd say he's an unknown.
Slayton is a find, if not the budding superstar some people pretended he was last night because he torched some of the worst corners in the league.
Love doesn't look like a star or anything, but he does look competent, at least.
As much as people talk about Ballentine, he just hasn't played very much at all.
Please explain to me under what metric is Ronald Darby the wort corner in the league... and also please explain how a rookie corner can be a major major disappointment. What exactly are you seeing from Baker that thoroughly concerns you? Slow feet? Slow to react? Or just hasn’t put it all together yet? If it’s the latter, how is that a disappointment?
Ximenes sucks. Slow as molasses.
Baker has been a major, major disappointment. I had very high hopes given how terrific he was in college. Maybe another DC could turn him around.
We waited a year and a half for Beal to play like garbage. Lucky us.
Connelly looked good.....for six quarters. Coming off an ACL reconstruction, I'd say he's an unknown.
Slayton is a find, if not the budding superstar some people pretended he was last night because he torched some of the worst corners in the league.
Love doesn't look like a star or anything, but he does look competent, at least.
As much as people talk about Ballentine, he just hasn't played very much at all.
I've been on board with your skepticism toward the rebuild of this team, but I will say this: the list of unknowns for this draft is at least long, and it should be for every draft until this team can show it knows how to win again. This franchise has no business giving up assets for known quantities, and that guided 2018 and looks to guide 2020 thus far.
You guys are some incredibly cheap dates if you don't think Baker has been a disappointment.
The more picks you have the more likely you are to hit on a few.
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The patriots had 12 picks to add to a Super Bowl roster, they still have holes all over their OL and Receiving core, they still regressed this year. It doesn’t matter how many picks you have, you have to hit.
The more picks you have the more likely you are to hit on a few.
Also the hilarity of using the NEW ENGLAND FUCK@NG PATRIOTS as an example of failed team-building strategy.
Again if you ignore resigning cost, it's absolutely a no brainier great deal. Stop over valuing mid round draft picks!
Until Slayton, and maybe Connelly, Carter and Hill, Giants haven't hit on a 3rd round pick in forever it seems. Really hit? Probably Bradshaw in 2007. Tuck before him. Cofield. It's a long list of misses since then, with the exception of Jon Goff.
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The patriots had 12 picks to add to a Super Bowl roster, they still have holes all over their OL and Receiving core, they still regressed this year. It doesn’t matter how many picks you have, you have to hit.
Glad to see a Gettleman defender has come here to argue against doing the one thing that seems to have worked for Gettleman thus far.
My post isn’t about Dave Gettleman, it’s reviewing the accuracy of your criteria for evaluating Dave Gettleman. I’m pointing the light on your mode of criticism.
Bringing up an objective strategy of success and then showing how Gettleman deviated from this plan to prove that he’s unfit to make decisions based on your evaluation is...funny, especially when others have failed using that same strategy. Off the top of my head, the Seahawks walked into the draft last year with the lowest capital of any team, the Steelers traded away their first for a player, when people felt like they needed that first for a quarterback.
Let me put it like this, I don’t agree with your uncreative approach to how you would run this team, there is no one size fits all approach to building a team. I don’t know how you can responsibly criticize DG given your weak, at best, points used above. It seems incomplete and rushed. I’m not saying you should stop posting, just expressing my criticism just as you’re expressing yours...bro
How much of that decision was the Maras vs DG? We will never know how much.
, the Seahawks walked into the draft last year with the lowest capital of any team, the Steelers traded away their first for a player, when people felt like they needed that first for a quarterback.
The Steelers and Seahawks have won games. Recently. They are in a position to be buyers because they have had recent success.
The Steelers are still going to need a quarterback, btw.
Let me put it like this, I don’t agree with your uncreative approach to how you would run this team, there is no one size fits all approach to building a team. I don’t know how you can responsibly criticize DG given your weak, at best, points used above. It seems incomplete and rushed. I’m not saying you should stop posting, just expressing my criticism just as you’re expressing yours...bro
I don't think it requires much creativity to rebuild a team. The best method under this CBA is to acquire young, cost-controlled players in the draft, then try to fill gaps via free agency. Yes, it can fail, but just because it's the best strategy doesn't mean every team is entitled to succeed using it. And I don't think the Giants have engaged in a good faith effort to execute this strategy.
Ultimately, I fail to see how any move in 2018 has advanced the long-term success of this team.
I see the same thing with L. Williams, I see more disruption at the line of scrimmage, easier lanes for the lb’s to fill, less time for the qb and better run stopping ability. I don’t know if a third rd pick will gives us that 5 years from now, let alone right now. I’m not saying it was the best decision financially, I’m saying it can be seen both ways. But until you get a competent head coach in here, it’s a tough evaluation to make, for me. If it’s an easy fix for you, then you can continue selling your solutions.
I probably shouldn’t open the Saquon topic back up but instead of drafting him, I would feel a lot better with Bradley Chubb on the roster as our 2018 1st rounder. If we draft Chase Young, that front 7 would really start to look bad ass with Chubb on the roster.