I don't think anyone dipustes we overpaid for him, but imo that was born out of necessity. He was the only LT available and we could not return with Flowers. No one expcted Jason Peters, but almost everyone thought we would get a competent B level LT. Not dominant, but more than servicable. He has been atrocious. And worse, he seems to be getting worse as the season progresses. At least last year he improved after a poor start. So what is it? Has he mailed it in after the big contract? Coaching probably plays a role but the coaching can't account for this level of suckitude. He's not injured. So what is it?
But he's been like this since we signed him. He's not that old. The most likely explanation is he got paid and he took his foot off of the brake.
Hal Hunter is not responsible for a veteran forgetting how to pass block.
I don't want Solder anywhere near this team in 2020.
It wasn't just one play.
He was horrendous for most of the 2nd half...
I don't think Solder has been healthy all year and I wouldn't be shocked if we find out he goes back under the knife again once the season is over.
You're joking right? I counted at least 4 negative plays he was directly responsible for. If he can even block for 2 seconds the flea flicker is a TD to Tate. Don't forget this was against Curry, who has done NOTHING this season before the Giants game.
Many people knew he was way overrated.
He struggled his final couple seasons in New England and that's with Brady at QB and Scarnecchia doing what they could to mask his deficiencies. Lost of quick slants, Gronk help, Devlin on his side.
He hasn't been competent in years.
No way he can just get this bad this fast
But he's been like this since we signed him. He's not that old. The most likely explanation is he got paid and he took his foot off of the brake.
That's what I;m thinking Eric. I just don't think he gives a f&ck anymore. Cautionary tale on giving out big contracts.
No way he can just get this bad this fast
He was bad last year too.
IMPEACH SOLDER. >:)
The next time on a sack, Simonson did the same thing this time he tripped Solder and he couldn't recover.
These are the little fundamental things this team sucks at and we don't have to look any further than our OL Coach and our Head Coach.
Wha? Solder was never an All-Pro.
Well there is your problem. He was never an All Pro to begin with.
Bad coaching + subpar talent...that's what we got right now.
Many people knew he was way overrated.
He struggled his final couple seasons in New England and that's with Brady at QB and Scarnecchia doing what they could to mask his deficiencies. Lost of quick slants, Gronk help, Devlin on his side.
Overrated would imply some thought he would be great. I think we thought we'd get competent. And this was not a situation where NE did not try to resign Solder. They offered a contract. The Giants was slightly better. See the link below
He hasn't been competent in years.
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We made him the highest paid LT in football and the guy has never been considered a top tackle.
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You don't go from an all-pro LT to Erick Flowers in 1.5 seasons.
Hal Hunter is not responsible for a veteran forgetting how to pass block.
Even vets can revert to bad habits.
The OL smells like bad coaching to me. Very little development of young guys. Regression of older guys. It's like nobody is directing them.
Hunter and Solder both need to be gone.
combined with don't give a fuck.
combined with decline of any moderate ability he once had.
combined with bad coaching/incompetent players around him.
We made him the highest paid LT in football and the guy has never been considered a top tackle.
Eric, come now - you know that Dave Gettleman had NO CHOICE!!! He had to give Solder a massive contract.
I know they often go heavy set with two TEs, but at the end of the day they scheme to who they have. And clearly Scarnecchia has something to do with it.
Someone better with the workings of OL would have more insight but they it's coaching and scheme. Not even sure how it's a question at this point.
It's because Gettleman doubled down on stupid and restructured him.
We made him the highest paid LT in football and the guy has never been considered a top tackle.
This is what happens when you draft so poorly. What were teh Giants options that season? Go with Flowers? Someone posted a link to this, but Solder was rated as one of the top FA targets that year and the ONLY LT. Desperation yields contracts that are out of whack with performance. Again, though, it's not that he isn't playing up to the money. I don;t think anyone here that he was going to play at an All Pro or PB level. We did though expect competence. Needless to say, we are getting INcompetence instead.
You have GOT to be kidding or you're the nicest person on the planet. He was horrid. He cost the Giants a probable walk in TD on the flea flicker and he also cost Eli several times (sack on first down losing 11 yards, a second and 3 throw away on the second to last drive, etc). He flat out stunk. He isn't an NFL caliber LOT at this point. He's just NOT.
Giants needed to borrow money (this is where the mouth throw up should be coming from). It didn't matter if they borrowed from a dud or a stud (if we had one). the money was borrowed from the future, and Solder was the one the debit was assigned to.
Maybe it would be preferable to spread the debit over multiple seasons instead of one (if Solder were to be cut), but we have the cap space to pay off the loan in one year if necessary. If we go that route, the flip side is that the following year's cap space increases because the prorated debit assigned to that year is removed.
This is just nuts, I can see 500 maybe but 2-11 ????? Shurmur doesn't have a clue, he's out coached every single week , the clock is running and he's standing on the sidelines like , HUH?
12 MEN ON THE FIELD???? WTF???? And then....a wide open Ertz , I mean WIDE open JESUS it's sickening! I'm a long time Giants fan and I'm almost dePRESSED over this, week in and week out. And then...we have to watch this douche bags press conferences like WE don't know what's going on, FUCK him, fire him now , I don't care WHO the interim coach is but it's time to get to work replacing this shitstorm.
That's true. And also, Nate Solder was never an all-pro. The only award he ever won was all-rookie team in 2011.
Just want to make sure everyone realizes that he wasn't as good as his contract told you he was. Hal Hunter definitely didn't help, but the expectations for this guy were never going to be in line with his career performance once RD made him the highest paid OL in the world.
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has NEVER been to a Pro Bowl, let alone All-Pro.
We made him the highest paid LT in football and the guy has never been considered a top tackle.
This is what happens when you draft so poorly. What were teh Giants options that season? Go with Flowers? Someone posted a link to this, but Solder was rated as one of the top FA targets that year and the ONLY LT. Desperation yields contracts that are out of whack with performance. Again, though, it's not that he isn't playing up to the money. I don;t think anyone here that he was going to play at an All Pro or PB level. We did though expect competence. Needless to say, we are getting INcompetence instead.
Someone should ask Gettleman who the other options were. He was planning to sign Norwell, which would have precluded Solder, so clearly Gettleman had some other plan in mind for OLT.
Stop acting like Solder was the only option, he wasn't. But Resume Dave needed a splash on the OL after his HOG MOLLIES speech, and he was hell bent on overpaying someone to prove that he meant business when it came to winning the line of scrimmage.
I've noticed the pollyannas do this a lot - there were many people here who referred to Zeitler as an All-Pro guard, too.
Kevin Zeitler has never made the Pro Bowl, much less All-Pro.
Giants needed to borrow money (this is where the mouth throw up should be coming from). It didn't matter if they borrowed from a dud or a stud (if we had one). the money was borrowed from the future, and Solder was the one the debit was assigned to.
Maybe it would be preferable to spread the debit over multiple seasons instead of one (if Solder were to be cut), but we have the cap space to pay off the loan in one year if necessary. If we go that route, the flip side is that the following year's cap space increases because the prorated debit assigned to that year is removed.
You do realize though that restructuring a bad player (a dud as you refer to them) and making that player harder/more painful to terminate is NOT that same thing as restructuring a good player who you are unlikely to try or even want to terminate.
this is basic stuff, not even controversial, Solder has been absolutely brutal, an unmitigated disaster and to you it's a shoulder shrug restructuring him or a good player.
I guess it's possible you don't really understand exactly what a restructure means. that is the only explanation for being indifferent about who gets restructured.
Some really bad takes on here today.
That said, I think he's more talented than he's showed this season. I've heard that he's basically playing on one foot. But we're probably at the point in his career that he's never going to be healthy for a full 16 games.