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I'd fire Shurmur this morning.

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/10/2019 9:13 am
Yes, I know it's not going to happen, but I can't get my head wrapped around how inept he is as a head coach. How in God's name did this man get this job? He is-without ?-the worst Giants head coach I've ever seen. I was too young for the Handley years, but @ least Handley finished 8-8 in '91. This guy has won 7-SEVEN!-games in 29 games. That's a winning % of 24%.

Doug Pederson-who seems like a total tool-ran circles around him, especially on that 4th & 1 play in the last minute of the game. How do you burn off 18 seconds or so before calling a TO? And how about halftime adjustments? It seems like the Eagles made some on defense. Do we counter any of that? Of course not because we have the worst coaching staff in the league. I don't think that's hyperbole either.

I don't know how Mara can go in front of the press come 12/30 & trot out his usual garbage about 'Well, everyone's on notice' spiel while probably bringing back DG, but firing Shurmur. Fire them both. They both suck at their job. Just look at the damn results.

3-13 in '17.
5-11 in '18.
2-11 in '19, including an ongoing 9 game losing streak...

UFB.
Not yet  
gmenatlarge : 12/10/2019 9:14 am : link
we need him to provide 3 more losses.
I agree  
5BowlsSoon : 12/10/2019 9:14 am : link
Do it now is best, but we do t do that, do we? Have we ever? I doubt it.
RE: I agree  
figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 9:15 am : link
In comment 14712124 5BowlsSoon said:
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Do it now is best, but we do t do that, do we? Have we ever? I doubt it.


Hi!

So would I  
cjac : 12/10/2019 9:16 am : link
i've said it a few times this morning on other threads

Why keep him around at this point? He doesnt know how to win a fucking football game. Just end it now so we dont have to see his press conferences anymore.
RE: I agree  
crackerjack465 : 12/10/2019 9:16 am : link
In comment 14712124 5BowlsSoon said:
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Do it now is best, but we do t do that, do we? Have we ever? I doubt it.


We did it two years ago. We fired our HC mid season. Spags took over.
Sad Day, But I Agree  
Rong5611 : 12/10/2019 9:21 am : link
I hate to say it, but I agree. Shurmur is, by all accounts, a decent human being. This isn't personal. Why put him through the misery of the next 3 games?

Make Mike Shula the interim head coach and move on.
Can't give it to Betcher  
David B. : 12/10/2019 9:26 am : link
His defense has been FAR worse the Shurmer's offense.

At this point, if you want the first of second pick, pray they change nothing till the season's over.
they only fired McAdoo because his benching Eli embarrassed them  
Greg from LI : 12/10/2019 9:28 am : link
The horrific performance on the field wasn't what embarrassed them, the fans getting angry about Geno Smith starting is what it took.
RE: I agree  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/10/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14712124 5BowlsSoon said:
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Do it now is best, but we do t do that, do we? Have we ever? I doubt it.


We also did it with Jim Fassel, who actually stayed on and coached the final two games of the season anyway.
don't fire him yet  
bigbluehoya : 12/10/2019 9:31 am : link
we need 3 more losses. Manufacturing some esprit-de-corps via a coaching change that results in hurting our draft position with meaningless wins would be the cherry on top of this shit sandwich.
I dunno  
GiantEgo : 12/10/2019 9:36 am : link
He sounded awfully chipper in the post-game like he knows something we don't.
RE: I dunno  
RDJR : 12/10/2019 9:39 am : link
In comment 14712223 GiantEgo said:
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He sounded awfully chipper in the post-game like he knows something we don't.


Chipper? I thought he sounded like a dead man walking. Which isn't saying much because he always lacks charisma. In fact, a couple of times I thought he had to fight off emotions when responding to questions about the team's record and his future.
RE: Not yet  
Johnny5 : 12/10/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14712123 gmenatlarge said:
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we need him to provide 3 more losses.

I would guess whatever interim gets put in place won't be winning anything anyway... can his ass TODAY
Doubt it happens. But I said this already this morning  
Beezer : 12/10/2019 9:46 am : link
at the gym to a buddy of mine ... it's the perfect time. Noon press conference, both he AND Bettcher. Gone.

There are coordinators. Name interims. Let it ride, then start new after the last tick of the final game this year.

I wanted Eli to win that one last night. But that's finished now. It's time to go 0-3 and wrap up the draft position.

There's nothing else. Nothing.
Why?  
aimrocky : 12/10/2019 9:49 am : link
I'm completely fine trotting this loser out to a half empty stadium. He gives the Giants our best chance to lose. Firing him now does absolutely nothing.
I think Shurmur is a coordinator..  
EricJ : 12/10/2019 9:52 am : link
and that is not a bad thing. Some people are just not cut out to be the leader
Do it now  
blueblood'11 : 12/10/2019 9:52 am : link
Fire him now. Then Mara will have at least relieved everyone's fear that he would even consider bringing him back next year. Then as fans it gives us something to look forward to next year.
Agreed. Time for Mr. Shurmer to go.  
Poktown Pete : 12/10/2019 9:59 am : link
Put Shula in charge the last 3 games. I doubt he'd rally the troops and jeopardize our draft standing.

The real advantage in doing it now, you can start the process of talking and negotiating with other candidates now, before other teams start competing for their services.
We've become Jets fans.  
Mr. Bungle : 12/10/2019 10:09 am : link
Just rooting for firings every couple years.

Yay.
RE: Doubt it happens. But I said this already this morning  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/10/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14712272 Beezer said:
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at the gym to a buddy of mine.


Whatís your bench?
so you want to fire another HC  
Rory : 12/10/2019 10:19 am : link
not even after 2 years, mid season, again?

You dont think that will play into the mindset of future coaching candidates when deciding to coach here.

Like what the fuck people
RE: so you want to fire another HC  
figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14712378 Rory said:
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not even after 2 years, mid season, again?

You dont think that will play into the mindset of future coaching candidates when deciding to coach here.

Like what the fuck people


It shows that if you are not good at your job, that ownership won't just keep you around for the sake of it.

RE: so you want to fire another HC  
Poktown Pete : 12/10/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14712378 Rory said:
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not even after 2 years, mid season, again?

You dont think that will play into the mindset of future coaching candidates when deciding to coach here.

Like what the fuck people

We have to accept that risk. Anyway, whatís wrong with the concept that if you want to keep your job, you need to produce? What have we got now?
agreed  
giantfan2000 : 12/10/2019 10:49 am : link
if Rivera is your guy
Fire Shurmur and bring in Rivera NOW!

thats how you see things,  
Rory : 12/10/2019 10:50 am : link
but that's not how it would be interpreted by the candidates.

Everyone wants to win, but these guys know they will face more criticism from media/fans then anywhere else, they want to know there is security and management will support there plan.

Firing 2 coaches mid season after less then 2 seasons each is not a good look.
I want them to carry out a considered, thorough job search  
cosmicj : 12/10/2019 10:51 am : link
looking at all the available set of candidates, avoiding any rash or too-comfortable decisions. That process I certainly hope has already kicked off. Firing Shurmur know is useless. I don't even understand what the objective of firing him now would be.
RE: agreed  
Rory : 12/10/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14712483 giantfan2000 said:
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if Rivera is your guy
Fire Shurmur and bring in Rivera NOW!


umm has any NFL team hired a new HC mid season in history of the game, is that even allowed?

how about no.
RE: agreed  
Les in TO : 12/10/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14712483 giantfan2000 said:
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if Rivera is your guy
Fire Shurmur and bring in Rivera NOW!
the Giants need to not impulsively react to Riveraís availability and familiarity with our drivers ed instructor posing as a GM. They need to go back to the drawing board and really diagnose why they have become consistent bottom feeders.
Worst Giants coach EVAH?  
Jim in NH : 12/10/2019 11:00 am : link
Alex Webster
Bill Arnsparger
Ray Perkins
John McVay

You have not been suffering long enough.
I wish they fired him yesterday morning.  
Britt in VA : 12/10/2019 11:01 am : link
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Shurmur  
LeftHook : 12/10/2019 11:05 am : link
Iíve seen the improvements behind the scenes that are necessary as we reset this thing and move it forward.Ē lol
ok........
RE: thats how you see things,  
Poktown Pete : 12/10/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14712487 Rory said:
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but that's not how it would be interpreted by the candidates.

Everyone wants to win, but these guys know they will face more criticism from media/fans then anywhere else, they want to know there is security and management will support there plan.

Firing 2 coaches mid season after less then 2 seasons each is not a good look.

This is an NFL head coaching gig with a major franchise. I think thatís a big selling point. If you succeed in NY, youíll be immortal. Iíd look at it as a great opportunity, not a scary thing.
you are aware DP beat BB in a SB right?  
MM_in_NYC : 12/10/2019 12:23 pm : link
just checking about your "total tool" reference.
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