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Giants sit at 64 mill avail next year and can have much more

Giantz_comeback : 12/10/2019 10:17 am
Possible cuts:

Janoris 11.25 savings (3.5 dead)
Ogletree 8.25 savings (3.5 dead)
Solder 6.5 mill cap savings (13 dead)
Rhett Ellison 5 mill savings (2.18 dead)
Kareem Martin 4.8 savings (1.2 dead)
Antoine Bethea 2.8 savings (.125 dead)

Total additional cap savings= 38.6

63.8+38.6= $102.4 million


Free agency (top moves in approximate order of cost):

1.Sign LT Castonzo (could be #2 depending on Golden/Yannick price tag) 17 AAV (with 11.5 million year 1 cap hit)
2.Re-sign Golden or Yannick for Edge Rush (could be #1) 17 AAV if Golden (with 11 million year 1 cap hit)
3. Re-sign Leonard Williams- 16 million AAV (with 9.5 million year 1 cap hit)
3.Sign a vet CB to replace JJ- 14 million AAV with (9 million year 1 cap hit)
4.Sign Littleton at LB (much better coverage LB) - 12.5 million AAV (7 million year 1 cap hit)
5.Sign vet FS (who excels in coverage)- 9 mill AAV (6 million year 1 cap hit)
6. Vet RT to hold fort or Re-sign Remmers - 8 mil AAV (5 million year 1 cap hit)
7. Vet WR to be our #3 or #4 (better than Cody Lattimer)- 8 mil AAV (5 mill cap hit)

Year 1 cost of top 7 moves in FA: $64 million

After all these moves, the remaining to play with will be roughly 35-40 million depending on contract variations of year one cap hits above.

*Even if some of these contracts are on the low end if you throw in a 20% safety factor it still puts us at about 25-28 mill remaining.


Draft :

Chase Young ER round 1
Tyler Biadasz OC round 2
OL/WR/LB round 4
OL/WR/LB round 5


Trying to be a bit positive here but team may not be terrible next year with something resembling the above and a viable new coaching staff to put them in better position to succeed.
i'd have to dig into all the numbers  
UConn4523 : 12/10/2019 10:19 am : link
which I don't have time for but off the bat this doesn't seem very realistic at all.
I think you are seriously underestimating  
figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 10:19 am : link
What Yannick is going to get on the open market. There are many teams in the NFL next year who will have a lot of cap space which will ultimately drive up prices on all of these FA's.
Can't build a winner on UFA  
JonC : 12/10/2019 10:19 am : link
They need to set a foundation using the draft.

When you overspend in UFA, you get what they've been for two years under DG.
Why is Castonzo hitting FA?  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/10/2019 10:19 am : link
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RE: Can't build a winner on UFA  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/10/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14712380 JonC said:
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They need to set a foundation using the draft.

When you overspend in UFA, you get what they've been for two years under DG.


This.

Free agency won't fix the Giants. I can help, but it can also set the team back as we have seen.
RE: I think you are seriously underestimating  
UConn4523 : 12/10/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14712379 figgy2989 said:
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What Yannick is going to get on the open market. There are many teams in the NFL next year who will have a lot of cap space which will ultimately drive up prices on all of these FA's.


That was the glaring one to me too. He's getting over $20m per.
Any crappy Carolina re-treads available?  
bceagle05 : 12/10/2019 10:21 am : link
Besides our next head coach, I mean.
The cap hit on Solder is horrible...  
BamaBlue : 12/10/2019 10:22 am : link
what a lead balloon that deal turned-out to be!
RE: RE: Can't build a winner on UFA  
AcidTest : 12/10/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14712383 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14712380 JonC said:


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They need to set a foundation using the draft.

When you overspend in UFA, you get what they've been for two years under DG.



This.

Free agency won't fix the Giants. I can help, but it can also set the team back as we have seen.


+2.
I like your draft plan but  
cosmicj : 12/10/2019 10:22 am : link
Castonzo is unlikely to hit the open market and I have doubts about the edge rushers. Williams’ first year cap hit is likely to be higher, too ($12-13mm) but that’s a detail.

Don’t laugh but Golden May cost more than you are estimating. His contract looks to be a bit of a wild card, give his injury history. I am wondering whether the Giants will quickly come to terms with Williams and then use their franchise tag on a Golden. It may be wise to let him play 2020 out on the tag.
If we were an 8-8 team this year  
Biteymax22 : 12/10/2019 10:24 am : link
Go for it, make your move.

Unfortunately we're still rebuilding, long term success isn't coming from the free agent market. Start locking up young good player that are already on the team (conceding there aren't many) get draft assets to build and bring in free agents on smart deals for depth at certain positions.

The one move you listed I would make is cutting and spending the money on a replacement for Solder. Dead cap or not, he's legitimately hurting this team. He needs to be replaced, but we also need a center and right tackle too.
You also have to keep in mind that if we are picking #2  
figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 10:24 am : link
The first round pick is going to have roughly an $8M cap hit that will go up each year through his rookie deal.
Solder is not getting cut  
Vanzetti : 12/10/2019 10:27 am : link
Cap Savings of 6.5 million? Good luck finding a competent LT with that money

I would like to keep Jenkins because the young secondary is not ready just yet. Jenkins is like a coach on the field.

Also, if you keep him, then you likely get a comp pick when he signs elsewhere as a FA. Might only be a 5th or 6th given his age, but Giants as an organization have not handled the comp pick situation well. BB is a master in NE. They always have comp picks

However, a cap savings of 11 million makes it hard to keep him.
#1 & #2 aren't hitting FA (Costanzo and Ngakwe)  
Eric on Li : 12/10/2019 10:30 am : link
the numbers are all correct, but I suspect they keep Jenkins and Solder around for 1 more year each barring something unexpected.

In FA I'd aim more middle of the road and hope to get someone ascending. Joe Schobert, James Bradberry, and Jack Conklin are the 3 guys who have stood out on the lists I've seen as realistic targets.
Without any evidence, I think they were actively trying to move  
cosmicj : 12/10/2019 10:31 am : link
Jenkins in October and think he will be fir sale again this offseason.
RE: Any crappy Carolina re-treads available?  
Thankyoueli : 12/10/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14712387 bceagle05 said:
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Besides our next head coach, I mean.


Can you please inform me wtf people even mean by "retread" in the context of Rivera...
RE: Solder is not getting cut  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/10/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14712405 Vanzetti said:
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Cap Savings of 6.5 million? Good luck finding a competent LT with that money

I would like to keep Jenkins because the young secondary is not ready just yet. Jenkins is like a coach on the field.

Also, if you keep him, then you likely get a comp pick when he signs elsewhere as a FA. Might only be a 5th or 6th given his age, but Giants as an organization have not handled the comp pick situation well. BB is a master in NE. They always have comp picks

However, a cap savings of 11 million makes it hard to keep him.


Solder is not competent.

Time to move on.
RE: The cap hit on Solder is horrible...  
ajr2456 : 12/10/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14712392 BamaBlue said:
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what a lead balloon that deal turned-out to be!


The best was one Dave the Great restructured him before the season pushing more money down the the road.
RE: RE: The cap hit on Solder is horrible...  
flycatcher : 12/10/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14712444 ajr2456 said:
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what a lead balloon that deal turned-out to be!



The best was one Dave the Great restructured him before the season pushing more money down the the road.

Solder bombing out here, while Marshall Newhouse is 10-3 Pats OLT, is too bizarre to comprehend.
Can't wait to see what dynamite signings Mr Magoo is going to make  
Greg from LI : 12/10/2019 10:51 am : link
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Cut everyone listed  
90.Cal : 12/10/2019 10:51 am : link
Ask Janoris to take a straight out pay cut first... 100 million should be enough to buy a OL AND a REAL pass rusher.
RE: Solder is not getting cut  
Giantz_comeback : 12/10/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14712405 Vanzetti said:
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Cap Savings of 6.5 million? Good luck finding a competent LT with that money

I would like to keep Jenkins because the young secondary is not ready just yet. Jenkins is like a coach on the field.

Also, if you keep him, then you likely get a comp pick when he signs elsewhere as a FA. Might only be a 5th or 6th given his age, but Giants as an organization have not handled the comp pick situation well. BB is a master in NE. They always have comp picks

However, a cap savings of 11 million makes it hard to keep him.


The way he is playing his ENTIRE contract is dead money . By cutting him we 'cut our losses' by re-couping 6.5 mill which can be used (in addition to another 10 mill or so) towards another LT. Also the year 1 cap hit can be minimized.
RE: RE: Solder is not getting cut  
90.Cal : 12/10/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14712430 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14712405 Vanzetti said:


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Cap Savings of 6.5 million? Good luck finding a competent LT with that money

I would like to keep Jenkins because the young secondary is not ready just yet. Jenkins is like a coach on the field.

Also, if you keep him, then you likely get a comp pick when he signs elsewhere as a FA. Might only be a 5th or 6th given his age, but Giants as an organization have not handled the comp pick situation well. BB is a master in NE. They always have comp picks

However, a cap savings of 11 million makes it hard to keep him.



Solder is not competent.

Time to move on.


Facts and STOP with the "or Re-Sign Remmers." We need two tackles and two pass rushers. Hoping 1 can be Chase and the other can be Golden or another FA pass rusher, but I have no idea where the tackles that are needed in order to save this team are going to come from, same thing we have been saying for over half a decade. Indy probably doesn't let Castonzo hit the market. Bulaga? Peters? Trent Williams?
Almost no plus starters will shake loose in this year's free agency.  
cosmicj : 12/10/2019 10:59 am : link
The league is awash in cap space. Teams won't let go their good players, because they have the ability to pay them. That's why DG jumped to trade for Williams.

We have a free agent market where someone like Kareem Martin, who started all of 14 games in his first 4 seasons with the Cardinals, signed a contract with a $6mm 2019 cap hit.

Expecting major solutions to come out of free agency is a recipe for disappointment. Also, the pool of unsigned offensive linemen is especially thin. See the linked list from Spotrac.
2020 unsigned vets - ( New Window )
Trent Williams is signed through 2020.  
cosmicj : 12/10/2019 11:01 am : link
Trading for him actually may be an option, but I'm sure there will be a market if the Skins are forced to trade him.
RE: Can't build a winner on UFA  
Giantz_comeback : 12/10/2019 11:03 am : link
In comment 14712380 JonC said:
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They need to set a foundation using the draft.

When you overspend in UFA, you get what they've been for two years under DG.



We are going to have potentially close to 100 million. So we are going to need to spend it either way. Its always a crapshoot but you increase your chances by going after younger , less injury prone players.
Other teams will have lots of money to spend too  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/10/2019 11:04 am : link
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No, we don't  
JonC : 12/10/2019 11:04 am : link
need to spend for the sake of spending. They need to be SMART with the self-scouting and taking a genuine look within. They're failing miserably in this regard, and it trickles into everything they're trying to do.
RE: Can't wait to see what dynamite signings Mr Magoo is going to make  
bw in dc : 12/10/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14712492 Greg from LI said:
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That's the other piece - why should we trust Ole Resume to spend even more money at his disposal?
RE: Why is Castonzo hitting FA?  
TommyWiseau : 12/10/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14712381 Zeke's Alibi said:
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He is not, Indy has 108 million in cap space
Logically, they should be scouting practice squads and non starting  
cosmicj : 12/10/2019 11:08 am : link
younger players to acquire some relatively cheap complementary players. (Especially the OL. It isn't just the starters, but the depth in the OL is poor.) To me, that's the intelligent route in this sort of environment.
RE: RE: Can't build a winner on UFA  
WillVAB : 12/10/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14712383 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14712380 JonC said:


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They need to set a foundation using the draft.

When you overspend in UFA, you get what they've been for two years under DG.



This.

Free agency won't fix the Giants. I can help, but it can also set the team back as we have seen.


It only sets the team back if they sign the wrong players.

If they overpay for good players it’s a non-issue.

The Giants will have over 90 mil in space after they cut most of the dead weight. The league doesn’t hand out wins for having cap space. Dumpster diving and bargain shopping makes the assholes here feel good about economical deals but won’t translate to wins or championships.

The core of any good football team is strength in the trenches. The Giants have major work to do on the OL and some work to do on the edge on the DL. Good, young players will be available at both spots in FA. It would be a huge mistake NOT to spend big at impact positions if the talent is there.
I suggest fans take a longer term view of this rebuild  
JonC : 12/10/2019 11:11 am : link
because few teams turn it around quickly.

Recent good examples took a few years to set the foundation, clear the cap coffers, and establish the pipeline to demonstrate they were on the right path to ascend.

NYG is nearing rock bottom in this regard, need to get better coaches in here and decide on DG to lead or not.
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christian : 12/10/2019 11:11 am : link
So the Giants will cut literally every veteran player, give Gettleman more needs to fill through UFA/trades, and the Giants will get better?

What evidence do you see in the last 2 years that Dave Gettleman is going to go into the open market and make this team better?
Also, I don't see all the UFA help NYG would need right now  
JonC : 12/10/2019 11:12 am : link
can't sign ghosts.
Stating  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/10/2019 11:13 am : link
the obvious, I have 49er envy right now.

They did it right.
by the time FA  
Dnew15 : 12/10/2019 11:19 am : link
actually starts most of the guys you listed won't reach the market.

RE: Also, I don't see all the UFA help NYG would need right now  
WillVAB : 12/10/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14712584 JonC said:
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can't sign ghosts.


Conklin and Dupree or Judon would be excellent additions.
Worth noting that 2 of the 3 49ers veteran acquisitions in 2019  
cosmicj : 12/10/2019 11:23 am : link
have been through trade. Sanders (WR) and Dee Ford (ER) were both trades. The only outright FA acquisition looks to be Kwon Alexander. Trades are THE major way of acquiring vet talent in today's NFL, not FA.
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christian : 12/10/2019 11:29 am : link
A much more plausible signing is Titans swing tackle and former Eagle, Kelly, who played admirably at both RT and LT, when the Titans high round picks have both missed time at tackle.

He's a solid lineman and can play both sides at a pro level, a huge upgrade from the current two the Giants have.
RE: RE: Also, I don't see all the UFA help NYG would need right now  
JonC : 12/10/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14712623 WillVAB said:
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can't sign ghosts.



Conklin and Dupree or Judon would be excellent additions.


If we're being smart and selective, Conklin's knee and recent performance trend bothers me. Judon I can agree with investing in, but Dupree I wouldn't spend big money on.
RE: RE: RE: Also, I don't see all the UFA help NYG would need right now  
WillVAB : 12/10/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14712663 JonC said:
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can't sign ghosts.



Conklin and Dupree or Judon would be excellent additions.



If we're being smart and selective, Conklin's knee and recent performance trend bothers me. Judon I can agree with investing in, but Dupree I wouldn't spend big money on.


Conklin is having an excellent year. He had a down year last year recovering from the ACL suffered in the playoffs.

There’s a reason why Henry is running wild and Tannehill looks like a NFL QB now.

I’d pay Conklin whatever he wants.
You're dreaaming if you think we can get all those FA  
BillT : 12/10/2019 12:03 pm : link
That's not how FA works. Getting half that list would be a major victory.
There are a lot of Edge Rushers and Corners  
90.Cal : 12/10/2019 12:50 pm : link
Due to hit the market. Cant imagine they all resign before hand... Marcus Peters is a player I would like to have. Turnover machine. He and Jack Rabbit together could be tough on opposing QBs. But I doubt we keep Janoris at his current 2020 price tag.
I'd rather we focus  
Now Mike in MD : 12/10/2019 1:04 pm : link
on good (not great) second tier guys as we did with Pierce or Mitchell. Or focus on guys who might be underperforming because of bad system fit or team culture. Preston Smith is a good example of this. While he did sign a large contract, he is outplaying it in my opinion. The skins were a bad fit for him.
RE: Stating  
Eric on Li : 12/10/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14712592 Eric from BBI said:
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the obvious, I have 49er envy right now.

They did it right.


The 49ers did some stuff many here would have found extremely objectionable in real time if done by this org. A year ago we wouldn't have envied:

1. Lynch's first draft in 2017 which has been a near disaster (Soloman Thomas #3 overall and Reuben Foster #31) - Kittle in the 5th round saved that class. Picking McGlinchey (a lower positional value RT) in the top 10 in 2018 would have probably been knocked too.

2. The big $ FA deals to a 30 year old Sherman and Jerrick McKinnon. Which ended up getting followed up with a big $ deals for Kwon Alexander coming off a torn ACL. Sherman the only one that appears to have worked out.

Further I'm not sure many would have envied trading 2nd rd pick for a franchised Dee Ford and giving him almost $90m last offseason.

I'm not saying those were bad moves, obviously things have worked out for them and their roster is highly enviable now, just that they didn't all turn to gold and winning cures all. They got the 3 most things right with the coaching hire, the QB, and a defensive gamechanger in Bosa. If we got the QB right and get the coach right I think a lot of guys on this roster will look better a year from now than they do today, which is obviously also true of the 49ers roster vs. this time last year.
RE: RE: Why is Castonzo hitting FA?  
EricJ : 12/10/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14712554 TommyWiseau said:
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He is not, Indy has 108 million in cap space


An even better question is why would he want to play for the worst team in the league? if he is a competitor, then he wants to win a championship

We find ourselves in a place where most top free agents do not want to come if they can get close to the same money and play for a team that has a chance.
no way Costanza hits free agency.  
Brown Recluse : 12/10/2019 1:56 pm : link
Its too hard to find good tackles. The Colts would be insane to let him walk.

Unless someone else shakes loose, that position will probably be filled through the draft. This to me, is why drafting Chase Young isn't such a slam dunk. I'd lean heavily on signing another edge rusher with Golden and then, I'd draft Andrew Thomas.

I'd also keep Jackrabbit for another year. He's been a shitty tackler at times but outside of the game against Tampa, he's been very good in coverage.

re: my last post - just googled 'fire john lynch' to see what came up  
Eric on Li : 12/10/2019 2:00 pm : link
and sure enough one year ago. No idea who grant cohn is or how strong the press democrat's coverage is, but they all read the same when a team sucks.

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Maybe you think Lynch deserves a third chance. Maybe you think back-to-back miserable drafts to start a career shouldn’t define a general manager.

But the 49ers may get the No. 1 pick in the next draft. That pick could make or break the future of the franchise, depending on whom the 49ers take. How can they trust Lynch to take the right player, especially with so much riding on the decision?

Jed York must go through life with fear and trembling just knowing Lynch could blow that pick, too. Probably will. The next draft is too important to allow Lynch to run it. The 49ers need a professional, not an amateur.

The last time Lynch had a top-three pick, he took Solomon Thomas, and passed up three franchise quarterbacks (Mitchell Trubisky, Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes), three Pro Bowl-caliber defensive backs (Jamal Adams, Marshon Lattimore and Malik Hooker) and two Pro Bowl-caliber running backs (Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey).

11/28/18 49ers general manager John Lynch must go - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Can't build a winner on UFA  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/10/2019 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14712539 Giantz_comeback said:
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In comment 14712380 JonC said:


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They need to set a foundation using the draft.

When you overspend in UFA, you get what they've been for two years under DG.




We are going to have potentially close to 100 million. So we are going to need to spend it either way. Its always a crapshoot but you increase your chances by going after younger , less injury prone players.

I love the loudmouths who don't seem to realize that you can bank your unused cap space for future seasons. Yes, there's a multi-year cash minimum that must be achieved, but the Giants are at no risk to fall short of that with some of RD's FA signings.

"We are going to need to spend it either way" is one of the dumber statements on here.
RE: RE: Stating  
WillVAB : 12/10/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14713047 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14712592 Eric from BBI said:


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the obvious, I have 49er envy right now.

They did it right.



The 49ers did some stuff many here would have found extremely objectionable in real time if done by this org. A year ago we wouldn't have envied:

1. Lynch's first draft in 2017 which has been a near disaster (Soloman Thomas #3 overall and Reuben Foster #31) - Kittle in the 5th round saved that class. Picking McGlinchey (a lower positional value RT) in the top 10 in 2018 would have probably been knocked too.

2. The big $ FA deals to a 30 year old Sherman and Jerrick McKinnon. Which ended up getting followed up with a big $ deals for Kwon Alexander coming off a torn ACL. Sherman the only one that appears to have worked out.

Further I'm not sure many would have envied trading 2nd rd pick for a franchised Dee Ford and giving him almost $90m last offseason.

I'm not saying those were bad moves, obviously things have worked out for them and their roster is highly enviable now, just that they didn't all turn to gold and winning cures all. They got the 3 most things right with the coaching hire, the QB, and a defensive gamechanger in Bosa. If we got the QB right and get the coach right I think a lot of guys on this roster will look better a year from now than they do today, which is obviously also true of the 49ers roster vs. this time last year.


This is a great post and really deserves it’s own thread.

A lot of revisionist history when it comes to the niners and they made a bunch of moves that would be destroyed here if DG made them.

We’re almost 1.5 years into a rebuild. People should at least reserve judgment until next season plays out.
RE: RE: RE: Stating  
Giantz_comeback : 12/11/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14713499 WillVAB said:
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In comment 14713047 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 14712592 Eric from BBI said:


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the obvious, I have 49er envy right now.

They did it right.



The 49ers did some stuff many here would have found extremely objectionable in real time if done by this org. A year ago we wouldn't have envied:

1. Lynch's first draft in 2017 which has been a near disaster (Soloman Thomas #3 overall and Reuben Foster #31) - Kittle in the 5th round saved that class. Picking McGlinchey (a lower positional value RT) in the top 10 in 2018 would have probably been knocked too.

2. The big $ FA deals to a 30 year old Sherman and Jerrick McKinnon. Which ended up getting followed up with a big $ deals for Kwon Alexander coming off a torn ACL. Sherman the only one that appears to have worked out.

Further I'm not sure many would have envied trading 2nd rd pick for a franchised Dee Ford and giving him almost $90m last offseason.

I'm not saying those were bad moves, obviously things have worked out for them and their roster is highly enviable now, just that they didn't all turn to gold and winning cures all. They got the 3 most things right with the coaching hire, the QB, and a defensive gamechanger in Bosa. If we got the QB right and get the coach right I think a lot of guys on this roster will look better a year from now than they do today, which is obviously also true of the 49ers roster vs. this time last year.



This is a great post and really deserves it’s own thread.

A lot of revisionist history when it comes to the niners and they made a bunch of moves that would be destroyed here if DG made them.

We’re almost 1.5 years into a rebuild. People should at least reserve judgment until next season plays out.


That is great perspective. Let's not forget that just one paltry year ago the Niners picked #1 in the entire draft.
RE: Stating  
stoneman : 12/11/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14712592 Eric from BBI said:
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the obvious, I have 49er envy right now.

They did it right.


They had both a 2 and 4 win season in the 5 season before this year. Just sayin :)
RE: Any crappy Carolina re-treads available?  
Pete in MD : 12/11/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14712387 bceagle05 said:
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Besides our next head coach, I mean.

Daryl Williams comes to mind. He was a top RT in 2017 but had a pretty major knee injury that kept in mostly out in 2018. He came back healthy this season but lost his starting spot and was moved to OG.
RE: RE: Stating  
Giantz_comeback : 12/11/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14714290 stoneman said:
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In comment 14712592 Eric from BBI said:


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the obvious, I have 49er envy right now.

They did it right.



They had both a 2 and 4 win season in the 5 season before this year. Just sayin :)


es they did but I think Shanahan showed more promise even while losing than all the repeated mistakes that Shurmur has been making. In Shurmur case, he doesn't seem to have the intangibles of being a head coach. Another in the long list of decent coordinators who shouldn't be more than that.
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