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Imagine Darious Slayton had been drafted in the second round

BlueLou'sBack : 12/10/2019 10:23 am
Many here who call him "a potentially good #2 WR" would instead think of him as a future all pro who simply took a few games to get started or acclimated to the NFL.


For different reasons obviously the accumulation of losses, many here now undervalue the corps of young players on the current roster.

Despite still glaring holes, we should stay the course with DG AT LEAST another year.

Just IMO.
Great pick by DG  
Chip : 12/10/2019 10:26 am : link
who does a good job of drafting
Why? Because he hit on a day 3 pick?  
The_Boss : 12/10/2019 10:27 am : link
We’re celebrating something that competent GM’s do most of the time? We haven’t experienced competent GM’ing in a very long time. Dave blows the cock. There is no reason to bring him back. A blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time.
Slayton has shown already he is going to be a very good number  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/10/2019 10:30 am : link
two in this league. If he learns to make the tough catch he could potentially be a good number 1. His draft profile is exactly why I like the Prince for LT from Auburn if we can get him. Some guys haven't even come close to hitting their ceiling for one reason or another. As long as they are progressively getting better each year. Slayton ran that weird offense in Auburn which is essentially bubble screen and 9 route.
2019 class  
GiantEgo : 12/10/2019 10:31 am : link
Did look good last night. Ximines 2 sacks, Baker probably had his best game, Love was all over the field and Lawrence dominate in the middle and Slayton 2TD's
Slayton is DG's best pick  
Vanzetti : 12/10/2019 10:32 am : link
At the very least, he is a very good third receiver. He came in playing at a high level and has contributed a lot his rookie season. It remains to be seen if he can continue improving and become a go-to guy.

But to get a guy like that in the fifth round is a really good job by DG. Especially since drafting receivers was perceived as a weakness on his part
keep lowering  
Enzo : 12/10/2019 10:36 am : link
that bar! Ignore the (growing) mountain of evidence on one side of the evaluation and continue to cherry pick the minor successes!
My underlying point is that it is way, way too early  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/10/2019 10:38 am : link
to make a judgement about the job DG has done, because it will be clouded by the nasty losing streak we are on.

It takes time for a total rebuild.

That is all.
DG is just as much to blame for the record as Shurmur  
chuckydee9 : 12/10/2019 10:38 am : link
He brought in Solder and Ogletree.. then he converts their salary to bonus so essentially we are in for much more of a dead cap hit if we release them..

No matter how good people say Slayton, Hill, Lenord Williams, Dexter Lawrence, Will hernandez, Baker, Barkley and Jones are.. if they were really good we won't be losing so many games.. 2 wins tell me how good of a team we have.. This team lacks talent everywhere..
RE: 2019 class  
uther99 : 12/10/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14712417 GiantEgo said:
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Did look good last night. Ximines 2 sacks, Baker probably had his best game, Love was all over the field and Lawrence dominate in the middle and Slayton 2TD's


Agreed, I don't get the DG hate
Slayton has been excellent  
ShockNRoll : 12/10/2019 10:39 am : link
any time I hear a 5th round pick regarded as a "steal", my initial thought is that we've heard this before. At 59 yards and .63 TD's per game that he's played, that puts him at a 16 game pace of 958 yards and 10 TD's. There are aspects of his game that can certainly be improved, like the aforementioned catch in traffic, but I can see Slayton being a legitimate #2 WR in this league for a long time, especially with the connection he's shown since training camp with Daniel.
How does this comport with BBIers that say DG trading picks...  
sb from NYT Forum : 12/10/2019 10:48 am : link
...is no big deal because the hit rate is so low?

If a team hits on even a couple mid-to-late picks then they are in great situation cap wise. Instead DG trades them away for expensive players or to move up to draft a CB who wasn’t even the consensus best in the draft.
Excellent selection from DG  
Rjanyg : 12/10/2019 10:49 am : link
Also got Connelly in round 5.

Gettlemen is good at drafting. Trades are suspect as are the selection of Shurmur.

RE: Why? Because he hit on a day 3 pick?  
BleedBlue : 12/10/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14712408 The_Boss said:
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We’re celebrating something that competent GM’s do most of the time? We haven’t experienced competent GM’ing in a very long time. Dave blows the cock. There is no reason to bring him back. A blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time.


most of the time? show me....show me a guy who MOSTLY hits on day 3 picks. you guys overrate how easy it is.

he has had two good drafts despite the clown brigade here on BBI. if his picks from year one blow next year...you will have a point and DG should be shown the door, but both his classes show promise.
RE: DG is just as much to blame for the record as Shurmur  
BleedBlue : 12/10/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14712446 chuckydee9 said:
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He brought in Solder and Ogletree.. then he converts their salary to bonus so essentially we are in for much more of a dead cap hit if we release them..

No matter how good people say Slayton, Hill, Lenord Williams, Dexter Lawrence, Will hernandez, Baker, Barkley and Jones are.. if they were really good we won't be losing so many games.. 2 wins tell me how good of a team we have.. This team lacks talent everywhere..


we have two wins because we have a young defense and a rookie QB. losing and having promising young talent can happen....

i dont get it. you guys think results are instant like how yea we hit on a late round WR we should be winning games.
Blue Lou  
Jerry from Maine : 12/10/2019 10:59 am : link
Don't you get it. If you don't make the playoffs in 2 years or less you suck and should be fired. 🤔
RE: Why? Because he hit on a day 3 pick?  
Touchdown maker : 12/10/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14712408 The_Boss said:
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We’re celebrating something that competent GM’s do most of the time? We haven’t experienced competent GM’ing in a very long time. Dave blows the cock. There is no reason to bring him back. A blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time.


You answer your own question. You say competent GMS hit on late picks. He did exactly that. What’s your problem?
RE: RE: Why? Because he hit on a day 3 pick?  
Mad Mike : 12/10/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14712557 Touchdown maker said:
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You answer your own question. You say competent GMS hit on late picks. He did exactly that. What’s your problem?

Slayton was a good pick. He is also one of many many players Gettleman is responsible for acquiring in his tenure here. DG should be evaluated on the totality of those acquisitions, and one example, good or bad, doesn't tell us much.
RE: My underlying point is that it is way, way too early  
Enzo : 12/10/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14712443 BlueLou'sBack said:
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to make a judgement about the job DG has done, because it will be clouded by the nasty losing streak we are on.

It takes time for a total rebuild.

it's going to take longer because of DG.
Just to make sure I understand your point, you’re saying  
MM_in_NYC : 12/10/2019 11:17 am : link
any GM that has decent 1st year results with a 5th round pick, regardless of other considerations, should automatically be extended and/or kept for more time? Really, I just want to make sure we’re clear on what you’re saying.
RE: RE: DG is just as much to blame for the record as Shurmur  
chuckydee9 : 12/10/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14712494 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14712446 chuckydee9 said:


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He brought in Solder and Ogletree.. then he converts their salary to bonus so essentially we are in for much more of a dead cap hit if we release them..

No matter how good people say Slayton, Hill, Lenord Williams, Dexter Lawrence, Will hernandez, Baker, Barkley and Jones are.. if they were really good we won't be losing so many games.. 2 wins tell me how good of a team we have.. This team lacks talent everywhere..



we have two wins because we have a young defense and a rookie QB. losing and having promising young talent can happen....

i dont get it. you guys think results are instant like how yea we hit on a late round WR we should be winning games.


Couple of things.. hitting on a late round WR shouldn't skew your judgment on keeping or dumping a GM.. Overall team performance is a much better indicator of GM performance.. and overall team performance is horrible.. there are tons of teams with young QBs.. no QBs and junk QBs who are winning more than us.. we have been nothing but garbage since DG joined.. I think we have won less games than any other team out there.. so while its fine to lose with a young QB... its not fine to lose the most games over a season and a half..
I can't remember where I read this - it may have been on BBI  
Go Terps : 12/10/2019 11:20 am : link
but apparently the Giants identified that Slayton needed corrective lenses to improve his vision. Given that a knock on him out of Auburn was his inconsistent hands, that may have been a fortuitous oversight by the Auburn medical staff.

Fortuitous for the Giants, anyway...it probably cost Slayton a couple million bucks.
RE: Slayton has shown already he is going to be a very good number  
Milton : 12/10/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14712414 Zeke's Alibi said:
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two in this league.
I see him more as an excellent #3. Like Mario Manningham. He may develop into an excellent #2 or even a #1, but right now he's a #3 in my mind. Which is nothing to sneeze at. Like a good nickel CB on defense, a good #3 is a valuable piece of any offense.
RE: RE: My underlying point is that it is way, way too early  
VinegarPeppers : 12/10/2019 11:34 am : link
Maybe some Madden cash would help like it does when you improve your team? Boom! Instant upgrade?


In comment 14712602 Enzo said:
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In comment 14712443 BlueLou'sBack said:


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to make a judgement about the job DG has done, because it will be clouded by the nasty losing streak we are on.

It takes time for a total rebuild.



it's going to take longer because of DG.
RE: Why? Because he hit on a day 3 pick?  
section125 : 12/10/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14712408 The_Boss said:
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We’re celebrating something that competent GM’s do most of the time? We haven’t experienced competent GM’ing in a very long time. Dave blows the cock. There is no reason to bring him back. A blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time.


Competent GMs hit on day 3 picks most of the time? Me thinks you have been following the blind squirrel.

Day three picks having this big an impact are not the norm. But go ahead keep fooling yourself.
I hate  
Amtoft : 12/10/2019 12:23 pm : link
that Slayton is a body catcher though. I think it will lead to more drops then I care to see, but so far he has been amazing!
RE: I can't remember where I read this - it may have been on BBI  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/10/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14712619 Go Terps said:
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but apparently the Giants identified that Slayton needed corrective lenses to improve his vision. Given that a knock on him out of Auburn was his inconsistent hands, that may have been a fortuitous oversight by the Auburn medical staff.

Fortuitous for the Giants, anyway...it probably cost Slayton a couple million bucks.


That was proven to be bunk.
RE: I hate  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/10/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14712838 Amtoft said:
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that Slayton is a body catcher though. I think it will lead to more drops then I care to see, but so far he has been amazing!


He is NOT a body catcher at all! Have you watched him? I'm surprised you say that A...
on top of it all  
santacruzom : 12/10/2019 3:34 pm : link
He seems like he's got a really good head on his shoulders. Check out his interviews -- definitely an easy guy to root for.

I won't bother trying to predict the degree of stardom he'll reach. I'm just happy he's on the team for now and hope he avoids the Giants promising player regression plague.
We had two very good fifth round picks - Slayton and Connelly  
Ira : 12/10/2019 3:43 pm : link
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RE: RE: 2019 class  
santacruzom : 12/10/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14712449 uther99 said:
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In comment 14712417 GiantEgo said:


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Did look good last night. Ximines 2 sacks, Baker probably had his best game, Love was all over the field and Lawrence dominate in the middle and Slayton 2TD's



Agreed, I don't get the DG hate


I can confidently tell you that most of it is based on what has transpired outside of last night's terrible game.
RE: on top of it all  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/10/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14713319 santacruzom said:
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He seems like he's got a really good head on his shoulders. Check out his interviews -- definitely an easy guy to root for.

I won't bother trying to predict the degree of stardom he'll reach. I'm just happy he's on the team for now and hope he avoids the Giants promising player regression plague.


Any particular interview you can link here?

I recall a good deal of banter during training camp from several who cover the Giants that as far as humor and wit goes (often associated with intelligence of some form or another) Slayton was the standout of all the rookies. Lawrence was popular too for his personality, but Slayton drew raves. Then of course Shurmur singled DS out on a few occasions as the player making the most progress from the summer practices through TC.

Kid seems to have a head for the playbook. That's at least one way he's radically different from Mario Manningham.
RE: RE: I can't remember where I read this - it may have been on BBI  
Go Terps : 12/10/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14712848 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14712619 Go Terps said:


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but apparently the Giants identified that Slayton needed corrective lenses to improve his vision. Given that a knock on him out of Auburn was his inconsistent hands, that may have been a fortuitous oversight by the Auburn medical staff.

Fortuitous for the Giants, anyway...it probably cost Slayton a couple million bucks.



That was proven to be bunk.


Hadn't seen that. Thanks for the heads up.
RE: I can't remember where I read this - it may have been on BBI  
giants#1 : 12/10/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14712619 Go Terps said:
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but apparently the Giants identified that Slayton needed corrective lenses to improve his vision. Given that a knock on him out of Auburn was his inconsistent hands, that may have been a fortuitous oversight by the Auburn medical staff.

Fortuitous for the Giants, anyway...it probably cost Slayton a couple million bucks.


Pretty sure Slayton himself said that was false.
RE: Great pick by DG  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/10/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14712403 Chip said:
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who does a good job of drafting

Not sure if this is serious.

Will Hernandez - regressing
Lorenzo Carter - JAG
BJ Hill - regressed so much that RD had to trade two more picks to replace him (and, interestingly, didn't replace the DL that Reese drafted, Tomlinson)
Kyle Lauletta - gone
RJ McIntosh - basically camp fodder at this point

There's one sure-fire successful player in the mix, and that's Barkley, who comes with his own set of draft-value-related questions.

Want to stake your life on the 2019 class not following this path?

I don't know how anyone can definitively state that DG has drafted well. It's too early to call his drafts a weakness, but also too early to say they've been good.
RE: Blue Lou  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/10/2019 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14712528 Jerry from Maine said:
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Don't you get it. If you don't make the playoffs in 2 years or less you suck and should be fired. 🤔

What if you make the team worse and rack up an even more troubling cap foundation for the future with overpaid UFAs on your way to a 2-14 record?

Giants fans are like battered spouses who explain away the abuse with the best of intentions.
GMs don't hit on Day 3 picks 'most of the time'  
Matt G : 12/10/2019 4:43 pm : link
Not many RD5 compensatory selections have the kind of impact that Slayton has had as a rookie
He's been one of the few bright spots  
arniefez : 12/10/2019 4:46 pm : link
But he needs to be a better hand catcher in traffic to be a star. Now he's a big play speed guy but not a reliable receiver for first downs like we saw last night.
GD  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/10/2019 5:06 pm : link
"Giants fans are like battered spouses who explain away the abuse with the best of intentions."

That's a great line dunk, even if I don't agree with it.

I think I see real reasons to be eased with many of our young players and to believe in their upside.

I never really felt that way about Jerrel Jernigan, or Bryan Kehl, or Jay Bromley.

Or numerous other of Reese's reaches.
PLEASED  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/10/2019 5:07 pm : link
Not eased.
RE: RE: I hate  
Amtoft : 12/10/2019 5:11 pm : link
In comment 14713274 BlueLou'sBack said:
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In comment 14712838 Amtoft said:


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that Slayton is a body catcher though. I think it will lead to more drops then I care to see, but so far he has been amazing!



He is NOT a body catcher at all! Have you watched him? I'm surprised you say that A...


Yes he is... Even his first TD the ball gets into his body. You rarely see him stretch his arms out unless it is over his head. Even then he lets the ball get to into his body.
Hitting on a pick here and there  
Metnut : 12/10/2019 5:13 pm : link
isn't good enough for me. Ability to hire a coaching staff, making UFA signings, making smart trades, and just building a competitive NFL team is what I look for. Gettleman seems like an employable scout, but not the type of guy to be running an NFL team in 2019. The results speak for themselves. The 2018 draft looks worse by the day.

I'm looking forward to seeing how our next coaching staff and new GM utilize Slayton after Schumur and Gettleman are rightfully shitcanned immediately after the end of this embarrassing season.
Throw DG out with the trash  
Thegratefulhead : 12/10/2019 5:14 pm : link
Year 2....2 wins and counting. We are worse. He drafted a running back with the number 2 pick in the draft then failed magnificently building a line that in his initial press conference he said,

"let's be honest, it is a problem"

"I am a tape guy, I will do the work and find a guy"

Umm...Barkley is terrible this year, don't care why.

The product DG has delivered is shit. Smelly, disgusting shit with a shitgibbon coaching it.
Darius Slayton is a nice player, but  
eclipz928 : 12/10/2019 9:09 pm : link
I would have liked for at least one of the wide receivers that started the year ahead of him on the depth chart that Gettleman gave a new contract to (Bennie Fowler, Cody Latimer, Corey Coleman, Golden Tate, Sterling Shepard) to have had a better a season than him. If you hit the ball out of the park after you've already taken 3 strikes it doesn't really count.
Slayton has been our best pick in ages  
djm : 12/10/2019 9:27 pm : link
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RE: Excellent selection from DG  
djm : 12/10/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14712484 Rjanyg said:
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Also got Connelly in round 5.

Gettlemen is good at drafting. Trades are suspect as are the selection of Shurmur.


His drafts and trades have both been fine. Tate and golden were nice fa moves. Soldier has pretty much been a loss but no one saw that coming at least not to this level. Martin was a dud guys like him and stewart and omahaea don’t mean those good drafts picks didn’t happen. I also feel that shurmur should have gotten 4-5-6 wins out of this team instead of 2.

Shurmur and Bettcher have struggled more than DG has in my view. Not that shurmur was gifted with some great roster or anything but this is crazy.
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