Many here who call him "a potentially good #2 WR" would instead think of him as a future all pro who simply took a few games to get started or acclimated to the NFL.
For different reasons obviously the accumulation of losses, many here now undervalue the corps of young players on the current roster.
Despite still glaring holes, we should stay the course with DG AT LEAST another year.
Just IMO.
But to get a guy like that in the fifth round is a really good job by DG. Especially since drafting receivers was perceived as a weakness on his part
It takes time for a total rebuild.
That is all.
No matter how good people say Slayton, Hill, Lenord Williams, Dexter Lawrence, Will hernandez, Baker, Barkley and Jones are.. if they were really good we won't be losing so many games.. 2 wins tell me how good of a team we have.. This team lacks talent everywhere..
Agreed, I don't get the DG hate
If a team hits on even a couple mid-to-late picks then they are in great situation cap wise. Instead DG trades them away for expensive players or to move up to draft a CB who wasn’t even the consensus best in the draft.
Gettlemen is good at drafting. Trades are suspect as are the selection of Shurmur.
most of the time? show me....show me a guy who MOSTLY hits on day 3 picks. you guys overrate how easy it is.
he has had two good drafts despite the clown brigade here on BBI. if his picks from year one blow next year...you will have a point and DG should be shown the door, but both his classes show promise.
No matter how good people say Slayton, Hill, Lenord Williams, Dexter Lawrence, Will hernandez, Baker, Barkley and Jones are.. if they were really good we won't be losing so many games.. 2 wins tell me how good of a team we have.. This team lacks talent everywhere..
we have two wins because we have a young defense and a rookie QB. losing and having promising young talent can happen....
i dont get it. you guys think results are instant like how yea we hit on a late round WR we should be winning games.
You answer your own question. You say competent GMS hit on late picks. He did exactly that. What’s your problem?
Slayton was a good pick. He is also one of many many players Gettleman is responsible for acquiring in his tenure here. DG should be evaluated on the totality of those acquisitions, and one example, good or bad, doesn't tell us much.
It takes time for a total rebuild.
it's going to take longer because of DG.
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He brought in Solder and Ogletree.. then he converts their salary to bonus so essentially we are in for much more of a dead cap hit if we release them..
No matter how good people say Slayton, Hill, Lenord Williams, Dexter Lawrence, Will hernandez, Baker, Barkley and Jones are.. if they were really good we won't be losing so many games.. 2 wins tell me how good of a team we have.. This team lacks talent everywhere..
we have two wins because we have a young defense and a rookie QB. losing and having promising young talent can happen....
i dont get it. you guys think results are instant like how yea we hit on a late round WR we should be winning games.
Couple of things.. hitting on a late round WR shouldn't skew your judgment on keeping or dumping a GM.. Overall team performance is a much better indicator of GM performance.. and overall team performance is horrible.. there are tons of teams with young QBs.. no QBs and junk QBs who are winning more than us.. we have been nothing but garbage since DG joined.. I think we have won less games than any other team out there.. so while its fine to lose with a young QB... its not fine to lose the most games over a season and a half..
Fortuitous for the Giants, anyway...it probably cost Slayton a couple million bucks.
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to make a judgement about the job DG has done, because it will be clouded by the nasty losing streak we are on.
It takes time for a total rebuild.
it's going to take longer because of DG.
Competent GMs hit on day 3 picks most of the time? Me thinks you have been following the blind squirrel.
Day three picks having this big an impact are not the norm. But go ahead keep fooling yourself.
Fortuitous for the Giants, anyway...it probably cost Slayton a couple million bucks.
That was proven to be bunk.
He is NOT a body catcher at all! Have you watched him? I'm surprised you say that A...
I won't bother trying to predict the degree of stardom he'll reach. I'm just happy he's on the team for now and hope he avoids the Giants promising player regression plague.
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Did look good last night. Ximines 2 sacks, Baker probably had his best game, Love was all over the field and Lawrence dominate in the middle and Slayton 2TD's
Agreed, I don't get the DG hate
I can confidently tell you that most of it is based on what has transpired outside of last night's terrible game.
I won't bother trying to predict the degree of stardom he'll reach. I'm just happy he's on the team for now and hope he avoids the Giants promising player regression plague.
Any particular interview you can link here?
I recall a good deal of banter during training camp from several who cover the Giants that as far as humor and wit goes (often associated with intelligence of some form or another) Slayton was the standout of all the rookies. Lawrence was popular too for his personality, but Slayton drew raves. Then of course Shurmur singled DS out on a few occasions as the player making the most progress from the summer practices through TC.
Kid seems to have a head for the playbook. That's at least one way he's radically different from Mario Manningham.
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but apparently the Giants identified that Slayton needed corrective lenses to improve his vision. Given that a knock on him out of Auburn was his inconsistent hands, that may have been a fortuitous oversight by the Auburn medical staff.
Fortuitous for the Giants, anyway...it probably cost Slayton a couple million bucks.
That was proven to be bunk.
Hadn't seen that. Thanks for the heads up.
Fortuitous for the Giants, anyway...it probably cost Slayton a couple million bucks.
Pretty sure Slayton himself said that was false.
Not sure if this is serious.
Will Hernandez - regressing
Lorenzo Carter - JAG
BJ Hill - regressed so much that RD had to trade two more picks to replace him (and, interestingly, didn't replace the DL that Reese drafted, Tomlinson)
Kyle Lauletta - gone
RJ McIntosh - basically camp fodder at this point
There's one sure-fire successful player in the mix, and that's Barkley, who comes with his own set of draft-value-related questions.
Want to stake your life on the 2019 class not following this path?
I don't know how anyone can definitively state that DG has drafted well. It's too early to call his drafts a weakness, but also too early to say they've been good.
What if you make the team worse and rack up an even more troubling cap foundation for the future with overpaid UFAs on your way to a 2-14 record?
Giants fans are like battered spouses who explain away the abuse with the best of intentions.
That's a great line dunk, even if I don't agree with it.
I think I see real reasons to be eased with many of our young players and to believe in their upside.
I never really felt that way about Jerrel Jernigan, or Bryan Kehl, or Jay Bromley.
Or numerous other of Reese's reaches.
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that Slayton is a body catcher though. I think it will lead to more drops then I care to see, but so far he has been amazing!
He is NOT a body catcher at all! Have you watched him? I'm surprised you say that A...
Yes he is... Even his first TD the ball gets into his body. You rarely see him stretch his arms out unless it is over his head. Even then he lets the ball get to into his body.
I'm looking forward to seeing how our next coaching staff and new GM utilize Slayton after Schumur and Gettleman are rightfully shitcanned immediately after the end of this embarrassing season.
"let's be honest, it is a problem"
"I am a tape guy, I will do the work and find a guy"
Umm...Barkley is terrible this year, don't care why.
The product DG has delivered is shit. Smelly, disgusting shit with a shitgibbon coaching it.
Gettlemen is good at drafting. Trades are suspect as are the selection of Shurmur.
His drafts and trades have both been fine. Tate and golden were nice fa moves. Soldier has pretty much been a loss but no one saw that coming at least not to this level. Martin was a dud guys like him and stewart and omahaea don’t mean those good drafts picks didn’t happen. I also feel that shurmur should have gotten 4-5-6 wins out of this team instead of 2.
Shurmur and Bettcher have struggled more than DG has in my view. Not that shurmur was gifted with some great roster or anything but this is crazy.