Really tremendous stuff hard hitting stuff from you Jordan. Like Shurmur and hopefully Gettleman, I hope you are relieved from your duties in the off season.
watching Ogletree and Mayo look like Laurel and Hardy and Solder look like roadkill just irked me. The plan he had in Jan of 2018 has had no improvement. Maybe we have our next QB. Maybe we have a running back. Other than that its as clear as mud. Sorry, the only clear thing is Shurmur and this coaching staff is sad and incompetent and should be out come seasons end.
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Pat Shurmur seemed resigned to his fate Monday for first time. Asked if he expects to finish out season, he replied: “Yeah, I do. We’ll just have to wait and see, won’t we.” Then Shurmur cracked a rare joke about being asked the tough questions.
But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.
His biggest strength can also be his biggest weakness. He thought Barkley was a generational talent and drafted him even though it made no sense to draft your star RB before you have a QB and OL.
He loved Leonard W and just traded for him, even though it made no sense to give up a third and likely fourth in a lost season on a guy who was going to be a FA.
But DG trusts his instincts and goes against analytics. If he can find a better balance, I still think he can be a good GM.
But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.
His biggest strength can also be his biggest weakness. He thought Barkley was a generational talent and drafted him even though it made no sense to draft your star RB before you have a QB and OL.
He loved Leonard W and just traded for him, even though it made no sense to give up a third and likely fourth in a lost season on a guy who was going to be a FA.
But DG trusts his instincts and goes against analytics. If he can find a better balance, I still think he can be a good GM.
How long do you wait for DG “to find better balance?”
Another year of Gettleman could set this franchise back 5.
But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.
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That was his own doing when he handed out that OBJ contract and decided to give it a go and keep Eli another year.
i love how fans act like they know the behind the scenes. EVERYONE in giants front office gave OBJ that contract. DG didnt do it quietly in the night. they all agreed then clearly something happened that we arent aware of and they felt it was best to part ways. i am not sure why DG gets blamed for everything here. the guy has had two solid drafts and gave us a franchise QB. time will tell but he needs more time.
Mara's? Because although you would think a coach with a record like Shurmer's is going to get fired, unless we hear that from John Mara, who knows what they'll do.
And I doubt Gettleman is gone. He still has two or three stupid trades in him.
RE: I'd been in Gettlemans corner until last night...... Â
watching Ogletree and Mayo look like Laurel and Hardy and Solder look like roadkill just irked me. The plan he had in Jan of 2018 has had no improvement. Maybe we have our next QB. Maybe we have a running back. Other than that its as clear as mud. Sorry, the only clear thing is Shurmur and this coaching staff is sad and incompetent and should be out come seasons end.
every team “has a running back”. It’s the easiest position in the league to fill.
on BUT, there seems to suddenly be a lot of leaks and stories coming out (from other areas outside NY) about the Gmen and what they might be doing this off season.
But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.
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That was his own doing when he handed out that OBJ contract and decided to give it a go and keep Eli another year.
i love how fans act like they know the behind the scenes. EVERYONE in giants front office gave OBJ that contract. DG didnt do it quietly in the night. they all agreed then clearly something happened that we arent aware of and they felt it was best to part ways. i am not sure why DG gets blamed for everything here. the guy has had two solid drafts and gave us a franchise QB. time will tell but he needs more time.
BleedBlue. Your right, we don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes. But we do know that OBJ had another year left on his contract and DG would tell anyone that would listen that they didn't sign him to trade him. So if he didn't play a big part in giving him that extension, he certainly has some accountability. Back to the point that when you said he had all of this dead cap money. He traded away Vernon, Snacks, OBJ, gave Steward and Omameh those deals. All contributions to the dead cap money.
watching Ogletree and Mayo look like Laurel and Hardy and Solder look like roadkill just irked me. The plan he had in Jan of 2018 has had no improvement. Maybe we have our next QB. Maybe we have a running back. Other than that its as clear as mud. Sorry, the only clear thing is Shurmur and this coaching staff is sad and incompetent and should be out come seasons end.
I'll give you Olgetree but Mayo wasn't signed to be a starter. Connelly earned the job before he got hurt. And also Solder isn't the answer - he's also playing on one leg. Blame Gettleman on a lot of things but the injuries aren't his fault.
But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.
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That was his own doing when he handed out that OBJ contract and decided to give it a go and keep Eli another year.
i love how fans act like they know the behind the scenes. EVERYONE in giants front office gave OBJ that contract. DG didnt do it quietly in the night. they all agreed then clearly something happened that we arent aware of and they felt it was best to part ways. i am not sure why DG gets blamed for everything here. the guy has had two solid drafts and gave us a franchise QB. time will tell but he needs more time.
BleedBlue. Your right, we don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes. But we do know that OBJ had another year left on his contract and DG would tell anyone that would listen that they didn't sign him to trade him. So if he didn't play a big part in giving him that extension, he certainly has some accountability. Back to the point that when you said he had all of this dead cap money. He traded away Vernon, Snacks, OBJ, gave Steward and Omameh those deals. All contributions to the dead cap money.
OBJ played the part. he showed up and did what was asked. they extended him. then maybe he was a douchebag. i dunno....maybe he went on tv and said he wasnt sure about the place that just gave him 100mill. maybe he did something like that? i dunno.
on BUT, there seems to suddenly be a lot of leaks and stories coming out (from other areas outside NY) about the Gmen and what they might be doing this off season.
Pay attention, it's only just begun.
RE: RE: I'd been in Gettlemans corner until last night...... Â
watching Ogletree and Mayo look like Laurel and Hardy and Solder look like roadkill just irked me. The plan he had in Jan of 2018 has had no improvement. Maybe we have our next QB. Maybe we have a running back. Other than that its as clear as mud. Sorry, the only clear thing is Shurmur and this coaching staff is sad and incompetent and should be out come seasons end.
I'll give you Olgetree but Mayo wasn't signed to be a starter. Connelly earned the job before he got hurt. And also Solder isn't the answer - he's also playing on one leg. Blame Gettleman on a lot of things but the injuries aren't his fault.
The OBJ deal is interesting as it seems like there are many stories about PS wanting Beckham and that is why he ended up with a new contract. FYI- The Browns didn't tarde for OBJ to get rid of him after one year either but, it sure could be headed that way. I say we not use that deal as some sort of beacon of mismanagement as BBI alone was so fucking divided on OBJ that you can imagine Giants Management and Ownership was probably struggling just as much...
But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.
His biggest strength can also be his biggest weakness. He thought Barkley was a generational talent and drafted him even though it made no sense to draft your star RB before you have a QB and OL.
He loved Leonard W and just traded for him, even though it made no sense to give up a third and likely fourth in a lost season on a guy who was going to be a FA.
But DG trusts his instincts and goes against analytics. If he can find a better balance, I still think he can be a good GM.
You don't pull the trigger on that contract unless you're sure.
If you're not sure, you trade him. You don't sign him to a contract, THEN trade him. The resulting punitive cap hit is a big glowing sign that reads "WE MISMANAGED THIS".
You don't pull the trigger on that contract unless you're sure.
If you're not sure, you trade him. You don't sign him to a contract, THEN trade him. The resulting punitive cap hit is a big glowing sign that reads "WE MISMANAGED THIS".
okay and that shouldnt JUST fall on DG. if anything Mara is to blame for the OBJ debacle. that being said....is it better they admit to a mistake and cut ties early while he still had value? i think so. imagine if we still had him?!? he wouldnt be doing shit and he would be bitching openly again....and what would we get for him? watch what the browns net on this shit. that entire OBJ thing is an easy win for DG, MAra and the giants...it isnt even debatable
7 games with Gettleman/Shurmur. The only positive really is we seem to have found our franchise QB and some of the draft picks have been nice. That's really all you can point to in their 2 years together.
and with Caserio prying free that could be the impetus to 'nudge' Gettleman into retirement.
Also bringing in Caserio may bring McDaniels along with him. Not saying I agree with this approach but the organization would love to attempt to replicate the Pats system.
7 games with Gettleman/Shurmur. The only positive really is we seem to have found our franchise QB and some of the draft picks have been nice. That's really all you can point to in their 2 years together.
I'm not sure on Jones being a franchise QB. If Gettleman is out the door I'm not sure his replacement will be either.
That is staggeringly nonsensical.
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Pat Shurmur seemed resigned to his fate Monday for first time. Asked if he expects to finish out season, he replied: “Yeah, I do. We’ll just have to wait and see, won’t we.” Then Shurmur cracked a rare joke about being asked the tough questions.
That is staggeringly nonsensical.
Perhaps because John is a moron as well?
1. Kevin Abrams
2. Kevin Abrams
3. Some ESPN Guy
4. Jerry Reese
List he hands to Mara
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punching up his next list of has-beens for the GM vacancy.
1. Kevin Abrams
2. Kevin Abrams
3. Some ESPN Guy
4. Jerry Reese
List he hands to Mara as well as an invoice for his consulting fee
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His biggest strength can also be his biggest weakness. He thought Barkley was a generational talent and drafted him even though it made no sense to draft your star RB before you have a QB and OL.
He loved Leonard W and just traded for him, even though it made no sense to give up a third and likely fourth in a lost season on a guy who was going to be a FA.
But DG trusts his instincts and goes against analytics. If he can find a better balance, I still think he can be a good GM.
That is staggeringly nonsensical.
Very good point IMO.
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That was his own doing when he handed out that OBJ contract and decided to give it a go and keep Eli another year.
Plus, public sentiment could also be a check in the wrong column for DG, and companies do pay some attention to the consumer.
The Giants firing Gettleman doesn’t mean the Giants Way narrative isn’t true, it just means Gettleman was so bad they couldn’t stick to their ways.
His biggest strength can also be his biggest weakness. He thought Barkley was a generational talent and drafted him even though it made no sense to draft your star RB before you have a QB and OL.
He loved Leonard W and just traded for him, even though it made no sense to give up a third and likely fourth in a lost season on a guy who was going to be a FA.
But DG trusts his instincts and goes against analytics. If he can find a better balance, I still think he can be a good GM.
How long do you wait for DG “to find better balance?”
Another year of Gettleman could set this franchise back 5.
That is staggeringly nonsensical.
Well, we were 2-6 at the time so maybe Mara thought we could still make a run...??
You can't rule anything out with these clowns.
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But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.
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That was his own doing when he handed out that OBJ contract and decided to give it a go and keep Eli another year.
i love how fans act like they know the behind the scenes. EVERYONE in giants front office gave OBJ that contract. DG didnt do it quietly in the night. they all agreed then clearly something happened that we arent aware of and they felt it was best to part ways. i am not sure why DG gets blamed for everything here. the guy has had two solid drafts and gave us a franchise QB. time will tell but he needs more time.
There is a chance the 2019 draft may yield 5 starters which would be an epic success.
And I doubt Gettleman is gone. He still has two or three stupid trades in him.
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But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.
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That was his own doing when he handed out that OBJ contract and decided to give it a go and keep Eli another year.
i love how fans act like they know the behind the scenes. EVERYONE in giants front office gave OBJ that contract. DG didnt do it quietly in the night. they all agreed then clearly something happened that we arent aware of and they felt it was best to part ways. i am not sure why DG gets blamed for everything here. the guy has had two solid drafts and gave us a franchise QB. time will tell but he needs more time.
BleedBlue. Your right, we don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes. But we do know that OBJ had another year left on his contract and DG would tell anyone that would listen that they didn't sign him to trade him. So if he didn't play a big part in giving him that extension, he certainly has some accountability. Back to the point that when you said he had all of this dead cap money. He traded away Vernon, Snacks, OBJ, gave Steward and Omameh those deals. All contributions to the dead cap money.
I'll give you Olgetree but Mayo wasn't signed to be a starter. Connelly earned the job before he got hurt. And also Solder isn't the answer - he's also playing on one leg. Blame Gettleman on a lot of things but the injuries aren't his fault.
I think DG stays, but is on a short lease.
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But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.
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That was his own doing when he handed out that OBJ contract and decided to give it a go and keep Eli another year.
i love how fans act like they know the behind the scenes. EVERYONE in giants front office gave OBJ that contract. DG didnt do it quietly in the night. they all agreed then clearly something happened that we arent aware of and they felt it was best to part ways. i am not sure why DG gets blamed for everything here. the guy has had two solid drafts and gave us a franchise QB. time will tell but he needs more time.
BleedBlue. Your right, we don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes. But we do know that OBJ had another year left on his contract and DG would tell anyone that would listen that they didn't sign him to trade him. So if he didn't play a big part in giving him that extension, he certainly has some accountability. Back to the point that when you said he had all of this dead cap money. He traded away Vernon, Snacks, OBJ, gave Steward and Omameh those deals. All contributions to the dead cap money.
OBJ played the part. he showed up and did what was asked. they extended him. then maybe he was a douchebag. i dunno....maybe he went on tv and said he wasnt sure about the place that just gave him 100mill. maybe he did something like that? i dunno.
Which makes no sense.
Pay attention, it's only just begun.
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watching Ogletree and Mayo look like Laurel and Hardy and Solder look like roadkill just irked me. The plan he had in Jan of 2018 has had no improvement. Maybe we have our next QB. Maybe we have a running back. Other than that its as clear as mud. Sorry, the only clear thing is Shurmur and this coaching staff is sad and incompetent and should be out come seasons end.
I'll give you Olgetree but Mayo wasn't signed to be a starter. Connelly earned the job before he got hurt. And also Solder isn't the answer - he's also playing on one leg. Blame Gettleman on a lot of things but the injuries aren't his fault.
The OBJ deal is interesting as it seems like there are many stories about PS wanting Beckham and that is why he ended up with a new contract. FYI- The Browns didn't tarde for OBJ to get rid of him after one year either but, it sure could be headed that way. I say we not use that deal as some sort of beacon of mismanagement as BBI alone was so fucking divided on OBJ that you can imagine Giants Management and Ownership was probably struggling just as much...
His biggest strength can also be his biggest weakness. He thought Barkley was a generational talent and drafted him even though it made no sense to draft your star RB before you have a QB and OL.
He loved Leonard W and just traded for him, even though it made no sense to give up a third and likely fourth in a lost season on a guy who was going to be a FA.
But DG trusts his instincts and goes against analytics. If he can find a better balance, I still think he can be a good GM.
He had $30M in dead money he created.
If they swing and miss again it will plunge this team into depths that Giants fans haven't seen in a long time.
They're bad now - but it could get worse.
If you're not sure, you trade him. You don't sign him to a contract, THEN trade him. The resulting punitive cap hit is a big glowing sign that reads "WE MISMANAGED THIS".
If you're not sure, you trade him. You don't sign him to a contract, THEN trade him. The resulting punitive cap hit is a big glowing sign that reads "WE MISMANAGED THIS".
okay and that shouldnt JUST fall on DG. if anything Mara is to blame for the OBJ debacle. that being said....is it better they admit to a mistake and cut ties early while he still had value? i think so. imagine if we still had him?!? he wouldnt be doing shit and he would be bitching openly again....and what would we get for him? watch what the browns net on this shit. that entire OBJ thing is an easy win for DG, MAra and the giants...it isnt even debatable
Also bringing in Caserio may bring McDaniels along with him. Not saying I agree with this approach but the organization would love to attempt to replicate the Pats system.
I'm not sure on Jones being a franchise QB. If Gettleman is out the door I'm not sure his replacement will be either.