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Raanan: Expectations Shurmur won’t survive and Gettleman

BeckShepEli : 12/10/2019 10:29 am
“ Expectations around the league are that Shurmur won’t survive this mess and GM Dave Gettleman is also in trouble.”

Per his Twitter
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Please be true.  
The_Boss : 12/10/2019 10:29 am : link
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I expect Shurmur to get fired, but DG to survive.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/10/2019 10:31 am : link
Another half assed measure. I hope I'm wrong.
That certainly wouldn’t fit the narrative about the Mara s  
joeinpa : 12/10/2019 10:32 am : link
Espoused by many here even though they did exactly that after 2017!

I've asked it before and I'll ask it again  
Thankyoueli : 12/10/2019 10:32 am : link
It there was ever even the slightest thought about possibly firing Gettleman, why would Mara let him do the Williams trade?

That is staggeringly nonsensical.
just go and get BB's son  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 12/10/2019 10:33 am : link
and bring Nick Caserio in with him!!
So he is just echoing what that insider from Boston stated?  
figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 10:33 am : link
Really tremendous stuff hard hitting stuff from you Jordan. Like Shurmur and hopefully Gettleman, I hope you are relieved from your duties in the off season.

How's your hair gel?
Accorsi's already at the typewriter  
bceagle05 : 12/10/2019 10:33 am : link
punching up his next list of has-beens for the GM vacancy.
RE: Accorsi's already at the typewriter  
micky : 12/10/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14712427 bceagle05 said:
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punching up his next list of has-beens for the GM vacancy.



😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
I'd been in Gettlemans corner until last night......  
Dinger : 12/10/2019 10:35 am : link
watching Ogletree and Mayo look like Laurel and Hardy and Solder look like roadkill just irked me. The plan he had in Jan of 2018 has had no improvement. Maybe we have our next QB. Maybe we have a running back. Other than that its as clear as mud. Sorry, the only clear thing is Shurmur and this coaching staff is sad and incompetent and should be out come seasons end.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/10/2019 10:36 am : link
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Pat Shurmur seemed resigned to his fate Monday for first time. Asked if he expects to finish out season, he replied: “Yeah, I do. We’ll just have to wait and see, won’t we.” Then Shurmur cracked a rare joke about being asked the tough questions.
RE: I've asked it before and I'll ask it again  
The_Boss : 12/10/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14712423 Thankyoueli said:
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It there was ever even the slightest thought about possibly firing Gettleman, why would Mara let him do the Williams trade?

That is staggeringly nonsensical.


Perhaps because John is a moron as well?
RE: Accorsi's already at the typewriter  
BeckShepEli : 12/10/2019 10:37 am : link
In comment 14712427 bceagle05 said:
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punching up his next list of has-beens for the GM vacancy.


1. Kevin Abrams
2. Kevin Abrams
3. Some ESPN Guy
4. Jerry Reese

List he hands to Mara
RE: RE: Accorsi's already at the typewriter  
figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14712439 BeckShepEli said:
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In comment 14712427 bceagle05 said:


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punching up his next list of has-beens for the GM vacancy.



1. Kevin Abrams
2. Kevin Abrams
3. Some ESPN Guy
4. Jerry Reese

List he hands to Mara as well as an invoice for his consulting fee


FIFY
I'm not a DG fan  
Vanzetti : 12/10/2019 10:39 am : link
But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.

His biggest strength can also be his biggest weakness. He thought Barkley was a generational talent and drafted him even though it made no sense to draft your star RB before you have a QB and OL.

He loved Leonard W and just traded for him, even though it made no sense to give up a third and likely fourth in a lost season on a guy who was going to be a FA.

But DG trusts his instincts and goes against analytics. If he can find a better balance, I still think he can be a good GM.
RE: I've asked it before and I'll ask it again  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/10/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14712423 Thankyoueli said:
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It there was ever even the slightest thought about possibly firing Gettleman, why would Mara let him do the Williams trade?

That is staggeringly nonsensical.


Very good point IMO.
RE: I'm not a DG fan  
figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14712448 Vanzetti said:
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But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.
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That was his own doing when he handed out that OBJ contract and decided to give it a go and keep Eli another year.
I also think the Williams trade  
fkap : 12/10/2019 10:41 am : link
was done with Mara approval. But, IF DG oversold the ability to re-sign LW and negotiations aren't going well, that trade could bite DG in the butt.

Plus, public sentiment could also be a check in the wrong column for DG, and companies do pay some attention to the consumer.
RE: That certainly wouldn’t fit the narrative about the Mara s  
ajr2456 : 12/10/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14712422 joeinpa said:
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Espoused by many here even though they did exactly that after 2017!


The Giants firing Gettleman doesn’t mean the Giants Way narrative isn’t true, it just means Gettleman was so bad they couldn’t stick to their ways.
Somewhere  
Les in TO : 12/10/2019 10:42 am : link
In the tri-state area a hog mollie shed a tear
RE: I'm not a DG fan  
ajr2456 : 12/10/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14712448 Vanzetti said:
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But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.

His biggest strength can also be his biggest weakness. He thought Barkley was a generational talent and drafted him even though it made no sense to draft your star RB before you have a QB and OL.

He loved Leonard W and just traded for him, even though it made no sense to give up a third and likely fourth in a lost season on a guy who was going to be a FA.

But DG trusts his instincts and goes against analytics. If he can find a better balance, I still think he can be a good GM.


How long do you wait for DG “to find better balance?”

Another year of Gettleman could set this franchise back 5.
DG won't be done...  
nzyme : 12/10/2019 10:44 am : link
His picks are starting to show up. Only two years in. If next year they all fall flat then you have an argument.
RE: I've asked it before and I'll ask it again  
bw in dc : 12/10/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14712423 Thankyoueli said:
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It there was ever even the slightest thought about possibly firing Gettleman, why would Mara let him do the Williams trade?

That is staggeringly nonsensical.


Well, we were 2-6 at the time so maybe Mara thought we could still make a run...??

You can't rule anything out with these clowns.
RE: RE: I'm not a DG fan  
BleedBlue : 12/10/2019 10:46 am : link
In comment 14712453 figgy2989 said:
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But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.
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That was his own doing when he handed out that OBJ contract and decided to give it a go and keep Eli another year.


i love how fans act like they know the behind the scenes. EVERYONE in giants front office gave OBJ that contract. DG didnt do it quietly in the night. they all agreed then clearly something happened that we arent aware of and they felt it was best to part ways. i am not sure why DG gets blamed for everything here. the guy has had two solid drafts and gave us a franchise QB. time will tell but he needs more time.
I think Shumur goes  
cjac : 12/10/2019 10:47 am : link
and Getts stays

I'll be pleasantly surprised if they let DG go  
JonC : 12/10/2019 10:47 am : link
The deck was stacked against him, but damn his stack of mistakes seem like amateur hour.
Shurmur has got to go  
Steve in ATL : 12/10/2019 10:47 am : link
but with DG my first thought is "Be careful of what you wish for". Mara is making the hire and could do worse than DG.
RE: DG won't be done...  
GiantEgo : 12/10/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14712465 nzyme said:
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His picks are starting to show up. Only two years in. If next year they all fall flat then you have an argument.


There is a chance the 2019 draft may yield 5 starters which would be an epic success.
Ok, but is that "the league's" opinion, or have they spoken to the  
mikeinbloomfield : 12/10/2019 10:53 am : link
Mara's? Because although you would think a coach with a record like Shurmer's is going to get fired, unless we hear that from John Mara, who knows what they'll do.

And I doubt Gettleman is gone. He still has two or three stupid trades in him.
RE: I'd been in Gettlemans corner until last night......  
Dave in PA : 12/10/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14712434 Dinger said:
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watching Ogletree and Mayo look like Laurel and Hardy and Solder look like roadkill just irked me. The plan he had in Jan of 2018 has had no improvement. Maybe we have our next QB. Maybe we have a running back. Other than that its as clear as mud. Sorry, the only clear thing is Shurmur and this coaching staff is sad and incompetent and should be out come seasons end.
every team “has a running back”. It’s the easiest position in the league to fill.
I zero idea what might be going  
jvm52106 : 12/10/2019 10:54 am : link
on BUT, there seems to suddenly be a lot of leaks and stories coming out (from other areas outside NY) about the Gmen and what they might be doing this off season.
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figgy2989 : 12/10/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14712470 BleedBlue said:
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But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.
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That was his own doing when he handed out that OBJ contract and decided to give it a go and keep Eli another year.



i love how fans act like they know the behind the scenes. EVERYONE in giants front office gave OBJ that contract. DG didnt do it quietly in the night. they all agreed then clearly something happened that we arent aware of and they felt it was best to part ways. i am not sure why DG gets blamed for everything here. the guy has had two solid drafts and gave us a franchise QB. time will tell but he needs more time.


BleedBlue. Your right, we don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes. But we do know that OBJ had another year left on his contract and DG would tell anyone that would listen that they didn't sign him to trade him. So if he didn't play a big part in giving him that extension, he certainly has some accountability. Back to the point that when you said he had all of this dead cap money. He traded away Vernon, Snacks, OBJ, gave Steward and Omameh those deals. All contributions to the dead cap money.

DGs  
AcidTest : 12/10/2019 10:57 am : link
drafts have been good enough, but his FAs and trades have been a disaster.
We can hope the past experience with half-measures  
j_rud : 12/10/2019 10:59 am : link
(Moving on from Coughlin while retaining Reese) steers them towards canning both.
RE: I'd been in Gettlemans corner until last night......  
Brown Recluse : 12/10/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14712434 Dinger said:
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watching Ogletree and Mayo look like Laurel and Hardy and Solder look like roadkill just irked me. The plan he had in Jan of 2018 has had no improvement. Maybe we have our next QB. Maybe we have a running back. Other than that its as clear as mud. Sorry, the only clear thing is Shurmur and this coaching staff is sad and incompetent and should be out come seasons end.


I'll give you Olgetree but Mayo wasn't signed to be a starter. Connelly earned the job before he got hurt. And also Solder isn't the answer - he's also playing on one leg. Blame Gettleman on a lot of things but the injuries aren't his fault.
DG is not George Young  
Rong5611 : 12/10/2019 11:02 am : link
But, they gave George Young time to right the ship.

I think DG stays, but is on a short lease.
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BleedBlue : 12/10/2019 11:03 am : link
In comment 14712511 figgy2989 said:
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But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.
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That was his own doing when he handed out that OBJ contract and decided to give it a go and keep Eli another year.



i love how fans act like they know the behind the scenes. EVERYONE in giants front office gave OBJ that contract. DG didnt do it quietly in the night. they all agreed then clearly something happened that we arent aware of and they felt it was best to part ways. i am not sure why DG gets blamed for everything here. the guy has had two solid drafts and gave us a franchise QB. time will tell but he needs more time.



BleedBlue. Your right, we don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes. But we do know that OBJ had another year left on his contract and DG would tell anyone that would listen that they didn't sign him to trade him. So if he didn't play a big part in giving him that extension, he certainly has some accountability. Back to the point that when you said he had all of this dead cap money. He traded away Vernon, Snacks, OBJ, gave Steward and Omameh those deals. All contributions to the dead cap money.


OBJ played the part. he showed up and did what was asked. they extended him. then maybe he was a douchebag. i dunno....maybe he went on tv and said he wasnt sure about the place that just gave him 100mill. maybe he did something like that? i dunno.

Gettleman gets an "on notice" year  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/10/2019 11:03 am : link
but gets to hire the next head coach and another draft.

Which makes no sense.
Dump the garbage and rid the rot.  
Silver Spoon : 12/10/2019 11:03 am : link
They must go outside the organization.
RE: I zero idea what might be going  
JonC : 12/10/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14712510 jvm52106 said:
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on BUT, there seems to suddenly be a lot of leaks and stories coming out (from other areas outside NY) about the Gmen and what they might be doing this off season.


Pay attention, it's only just begun.
RE: RE: I'd been in Gettlemans corner until last night......  
jvm52106 : 12/10/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14712533 Brown Recluse said:
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watching Ogletree and Mayo look like Laurel and Hardy and Solder look like roadkill just irked me. The plan he had in Jan of 2018 has had no improvement. Maybe we have our next QB. Maybe we have a running back. Other than that its as clear as mud. Sorry, the only clear thing is Shurmur and this coaching staff is sad and incompetent and should be out come seasons end.



I'll give you Olgetree but Mayo wasn't signed to be a starter. Connelly earned the job before he got hurt. And also Solder isn't the answer - he's also playing on one leg. Blame Gettleman on a lot of things but the injuries aren't his fault.



The OBJ deal is interesting as it seems like there are many stories about PS wanting Beckham and that is why he ended up with a new contract. FYI- The Browns didn't tarde for OBJ to get rid of him after one year either but, it sure could be headed that way. I say we not use that deal as some sort of beacon of mismanagement as BBI alone was so fucking divided on OBJ that you can imagine Giants Management and Ownership was probably struggling just as much...
RE: I'm not a DG fan  
christian : 12/10/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14712448 Vanzetti said:
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But he deserves another year. He had 30 million in dead money each of the last two seasons.

His biggest strength can also be his biggest weakness. He thought Barkley was a generational talent and drafted him even though it made no sense to draft your star RB before you have a QB and OL.

He loved Leonard W and just traded for him, even though it made no sense to give up a third and likely fourth in a lost season on a guy who was going to be a FA.

But DG trusts his instincts and goes against analytics. If he can find a better balance, I still think he can be a good GM.


He had $30M in dead money he created.
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ryanmkeane : 12/10/2019 11:09 am : link
Gettleman being "in trouble" sounds like when Reese was "put on notice" and then he blew our entire salary cap away in order to save his job
If the Giants don't get it right this time  
Dnew15 : 12/10/2019 11:10 am : link
They have created the perfect storm for creating a franchise on the brink.

If they swing and miss again it will plunge this team into depths that Giants fans haven't seen in a long time.

They're bad now - but it could get worse.
It can only be looked at as mismanagement  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/10/2019 11:10 am : link
You don't pull the trigger on that contract unless you're sure.

If you're not sure, you trade him. You don't sign him to a contract, THEN trade him. The resulting punitive cap hit is a big glowing sign that reads "WE MISMANAGED THIS".
Shurmur  
Pete in MD : 12/10/2019 11:10 am : link
is as good as gone but I think DG gets more time.
Root for 3 more bad losses  
Go Terps : 12/10/2019 11:11 am : link
There can't be any doubt that these two have to go.
RE: It can only be looked at as mismanagement  
BleedBlue : 12/10/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14712567 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You don't pull the trigger on that contract unless you're sure.

If you're not sure, you trade him. You don't sign him to a contract, THEN trade him. The resulting punitive cap hit is a big glowing sign that reads "WE MISMANAGED THIS".


okay and that shouldnt JUST fall on DG. if anything Mara is to blame for the OBJ debacle. that being said....is it better they admit to a mistake and cut ties early while he still had value? i think so. imagine if we still had him?!? he wouldnt be doing shit and he would be bitching openly again....and what would we get for him? watch what the browns net on this shit. that entire OBJ thing is an easy win for DG, MAra and the giants...it isnt even debatable
We have won  
ryanmkeane : 12/10/2019 11:12 am : link
7 games with Gettleman/Shurmur. The only positive really is we seem to have found our franchise QB and some of the draft picks have been nice. That's really all you can point to in their 2 years together.
The Giants are smitten with the 'Patriots way'  
Giantz_comeback : 12/10/2019 11:12 am : link
and with Caserio prying free that could be the impetus to 'nudge' Gettleman into retirement.

Also bringing in Caserio may bring McDaniels along with him. Not saying I agree with this approach but the organization would love to attempt to replicate the Pats system.
RE: We have won  
Go Terps : 12/10/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14712582 ryanmkeane said:
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7 games with Gettleman/Shurmur. The only positive really is we seem to have found our franchise QB and some of the draft picks have been nice. That's really all you can point to in their 2 years together.


I'm not sure on Jones being a franchise QB. If Gettleman is out the door I'm not sure his replacement will be either.
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